0:43 imagine hiking through the Canadian wilderness only to find some guy colonizing the local mountains

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine!

@armchairgeneralissimo

4 жыл бұрын

I would join forces with him in exchange for his advanced weaponry giving me the edge against all my rival clans only to have to soil taken from beneith my feet and be given some barren lands... Maybe in the future we could build casinos on this land and become filthy rich.

@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry

3 жыл бұрын

@@GlockamoleG17Maybe, but you don't get to have an ice cold, crisp, clean, Kokanee Glacier Pilsner, do you?

@chickensandwich1589

2 жыл бұрын

@@armchairgeneralissimo Exactly.

@skipsmoyer4574

2 жыл бұрын

I have had a replica BrownBess for close to 40 years, it's fun to shoot. I a .72 cal bal maybe better at first few rounds but as ballel starts to foul a 69. Would be easier.

The Canadian Assault Weapon Ban forgot one. Britishmuzzleloader's thighs.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@Impreza-bj5jh

4 жыл бұрын

Bruh

@dsan94

2 ай бұрын

😂

This just goes to show just how much of an advancement the Minie ball was: It basically made the smoothbore obsolete because a Minie based rifle had both rifle accuracy (because the ball expands on firing engaging the rifling) and musket rate of fire (due to undersized ball) in 1 ammo type. The Minie ball is right up there with spitzer projectiles (and maybe smokeless powder) when it comes to ammo advancements IMHO.

@steamboatmodel

4 жыл бұрын

I just hope the Liberals do not read this they will ban the Minie Ball!

@nickdougan394

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's absolutely right - and it made the Baker rifle type of rifle obsolete too. The percussion cap was very useful in the 1820/30s but nothing like as significant. Of course we hardly think about that period in history because it was overtaken so quickly by the breech loading rifle.

@superandresbros

4 жыл бұрын

@@steamboatmodel You mean the Minie ball that liberals annihilated reactionaries with?

@Gustav_Kuriga

4 жыл бұрын

@kinsmarts Take your politics outside of a video that has nothing to do with it.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

The expanding ball was indeed a revolutionary invention.

I kinda wish there was a Frenchmuzzleloaders channel so we could pit the Charleville and Brown Bess against one another, a job for Ian perhaps?

@jack1701e

4 жыл бұрын

That would be a cool idea!

@Taji.M

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

@genericpersonx333

4 жыл бұрын

To be honest, it would not be particularly impressive because the only practical difference between the Charleville and the Bess is that the French guns tended to last longer before needing repair because the Brown Bess' barrel used a less durable pin system to secure itself to the stock, whereas the French used barrel bands which didn't damage the wood over time in the same way. In terms of actual shooting, they are essentially the same gun. The same would carry on right up to 1867. It is only really with the breechloaded rifles that you see real differences in performance. That said, it would be a project worth seeing if anyone knows a Canadian with a bunch of old French military arms to collaborate with Rob or a non-Canadian with both British and French arms of the era willing to host him since moving guns over national borders is a headache at the best of times.

@99IronDuke

4 жыл бұрын

So far as I am aware the worst thing about the French musket had nothing to do with the actual musket, but instead was that French powder tended to be of lower quality than British powder. I would not imagine there would be much difference in accuracy or rate of fire between the Brown Bess and the Charleville, given equal training and experience.

@thebotrchap

4 жыл бұрын

I’d be up for it although I’d need a French musket first and it would be a transatlantic contest.

Love this guy’s English, it’s so proper, unlike mine :-)

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@maximilianolimamoreira5002

3 жыл бұрын

don't worry,Paul,i can't do a proper British accent sometimes.

I love your videos Rob, I wish I could shoot at these beautiful locations!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

You need to get here! :-)

@anthroposlogica9379

3 жыл бұрын

That would be an awesome cross over episode! You both are Great!

@davejones67

3 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders where are you filming exactly?

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

@@davejones67 In da woods.....

@themandan4000

2 жыл бұрын

@@davejones67 the loyalist side of the border.

"Do you know what makes a good soldier? The ability to fire 3 rounds a minute in any weather" -Richard sharpe 95th rifles

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

No quoting of that series here, thank you..... Hahaha!

@elgostine

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders i feel like i want to take that as some kind of challenge...

@hazzardalsohazzard2624

3 жыл бұрын

From what I understand, three rounds a minute was minimum standards for most infantry at the time.

@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry

3 жыл бұрын

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 I think the general rule of thumb was to load, aim and fire accurately as quickly as possible while trying not to get shot, bayonetted, blown up by artillery fire, shredded by grapeshot, run-though by a cavalryman's lance, your head lopped-off by a sabre, etc., etc., etc.

@JaM-R2TR4

3 жыл бұрын

Marshal Maurice de Saxe writes: "Light infantry should be able to fire 6 shots a minute, but under the stress of battle 4 should be allowed for."

I always learn something interesting from your videos. Despite having fired hundreds of thousands of rounds from a variety of firearms (easily a half-million if you count machine guns during military service), I have exactly zero experience with black powder but I'm a huge history buff. The way you combine the shooting and history has me thinking I "need" to take up a new shooting sport. (As in, "I need a new motorcycle" not as in, "I need a kidney transplant.") :-)

@bowlofrice8

4 жыл бұрын

Go to cabelas website and drop 250 bucks on a cap and ball revolver then caps powder grease and balls or a mold for another 50 bucks all in around 300 to 350 depending on what you get. And a pound of powder shooting 15-30gr loads lasts a long long time. Probably the best way to get into black powder because they are so cheap have historical significance for the most part and are pretty fun for people that aren't all that interested in slow firing a single shot

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad that there is something here that you enjoy! Cheers!

@Andy-Gibb

2 жыл бұрын

Kelton I was in the same boat as you except I have shot maybe a few million rounds. Military, police and recreational shooting. I have after 48 years of shooting now bought a hawkens BP. Rifle and started shooting it. I have fallen hard for it again. For a new way of shooting it is awesome. I wish i had got into it a long time ago instead of collecting military assault rifles.

1900 Baker Rifle! Technology sure comes a long way.😀

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Hasn't it!

@presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Now is a 2020 Baker Rifle.

That view though. I miss going outside.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

In all honesty your content is some of the best on the platform, way better than channels with 10 times more subs. Keep up the good work and greetings from England. 👍

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Than you kindly!

Always a good day when you upload! Was looking forward to a video like this.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very interesting data Rob! You just answered a question I had for a long time. Thank you Sir.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome!

What you need is Sharpe taking his shirt off and drilling you for an afternoon so you don't get flogged by Sir Henry Simmerson. Love this video, practical testing of old weapons to challenge old myths and explore history is awesome. I think I'm going to be starting a Sharpe book soon as I've watched this.

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

Have a good read!

I have been very much looking forward to this 👍 So glad you have acquired a Brown Bess.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

EXCELLENT and interesting video! it inspires me to definitely experiment with my muzzleloading cartridges this summer.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! Best of luck!

Really interesting subject. Keep up the great work Rob.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

So glad I found this channel, some other channel recommended it and now this is what I watch between classes! Keep up the great work!

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear! Thanks!

Yet another great video. Really enjoying watching your channel.

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Hope you're keeping safe in these times sir! Absolutely brilliant video, just what I needed

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

I am indeed... Thank you. And you as well!

Simply a great video...superbly done - with passion style and great content!

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly!

Excellent stuff as always, Rob!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chuck!

Damn I love this channel. Keep doing what you’re doing pal.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

GREAT JOB!!!! THIS ANSWERED ME LOT OF QUESTIONS!

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I like that you serve us up the data as it is , problems and all . Very professional 👍

@britishmuzzleloaders

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers.

I'm grateful to have a source of knowledge such as yourself a few mouse clicks away. Thanks for all you do!

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers.!

Superb video Rob. Thanks!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Thanks.

Always informative!

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Been loving the channel for years! Greetings from Vermont!- Best wishes and stay healthy!- Brent

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

man keep up the good work you do such a good job I couldn't have cared less about the subject matter of this channel but you got me addicted I'm looking for an smle I'm watching every single episodes you've got me and my son are setting s*** up at the range and going out with the rifles we have honestly you do a fantastic job and I love the channel

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully there is more that you'll enjoy here, on the Channel! Cheers.

That is a fascinating video. Well done.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Realy interesting and well put together exercise. Many thanks

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Really enjoyed this one brother. A true rifleman fan it was a question I wondered about

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Great video!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank Matt! I see you are embarking on a complimentary video yourself!

A superb video Rob, thank you. You might feel disappointment in your performance but you identified the cause, will learn from it, and this will exponentially expand the knowledge about the use of these historic firearms. Don't forget, you and a few others are learning all this in limited spare time, for which we are all very grateful, The soldiers who carried these guns into battle had all the previous expertise and knowledge trained into them, and then they had plenty of opportunity to learn their own particular weapon's foibles. All in all I count the whole thing a resounding success.

@britishmuzzleloaders

2 жыл бұрын

I've done enough Baker shooting to know that the shooting difficulties here were just the muzzleloading gods... The rifle will shoot all day, with a more favourable divine oversight... 😀

If I recall correctly from David Harding's EIC book the Baker sewn patched ball was shipped already made up and lubricated and had a lubricant of a mix of Linseed oil and beeswax. Fantastic quality video as usual. Good on you Rob.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

I don't have a copy, but stand to ask some friends that do....

I think the big culprit in all of these myths of patched-rifles being slow is that muzzle-loaded rifles simply work better the tighter the fit, and that takes time. They used to hammer the lead into the rifling, with an actual hammer, back in the 17th-century, and the most accurate muzzle-loaded rifles still had that sort of extremely tight fit right up to the end of the muzzle-loading era. This is why rifles were primarily a civilian hunting weapon until the Minie projectile came around. That said, Bakers proved decades before then that you didn't need to sacrifice a lot of time to get a lot more accuracy than a smoothbore. You just couldn't easily justify paying for every infantryman to have a rifle for such a modest improvement in individual accuracy at the time.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Mallets were issued to the Rifles in the very beginning... then they were discontinued so saw no or very little active service. I wouldn't say that slow loading is a myth, as it does indeed take longer to load whether the patched ball is in a cartridge or loose... you hit the nail on the head by mentioning cost...

@hazzardalsohazzard2624

3 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Do we have amounts it cost to make them from the time in the way we can make comparisons for World War 2?

i love your videos. keep up the good work

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The quality of your videos is unpatched, er, unmatched.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Great pun, that.....

Happy to see a vid from you.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Wonderful video. THANK YOU.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great stuff Rob

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Yet another excellent and interesting video.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Brilliant video always love them! I was there in 2015 such an amazing event! Would take a bess anytime.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Waterloo was amazing, if lacking in some areas,.. like the crowds... :-)

Absolute gem of a channel

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers.

So pretty much there's 2 take away's that are in the video; One, the Baker Rifle & Brown Bess using paper cartridges are on par with one another in terms of speed, with the possibility with the baker being a little bit more faster (Although drill of these firearms is everything), with patch ball being more slower for much greater accuracy over paper. Two, keep firearm's clean & check that your ammo is still good to go before shooting! Saves ya a lot of headaches. Much enjoy your content lad, It's really been helpful for me looking into these crafted tools of warfare & seeing If I really like to own one myself. Keep up the great work!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Thanks Rob. Interesting results. Thought provoking of the Murphy's law kind. You are the best Rob.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Hey! That’s younger me as a drummer at 3:47... never thought I’d show up in a britishmuzzleloaders video! Waterloo was a fun time. I’ll never forget that event.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! There you go! Thanks for helping to make the show what it was!

@dombutcher2654

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Hey, another drummer! Thats me on the right of the fifer at 2:59 - what an awesome event it was back in 2015! And great video - have always been told the slower rate is a given with a Baker but this flips that on it's head!

Quite timely for me, Rob. I just watched the Sharpe's series again on DVD during the current nuttery of Michigan.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Ewww,.... :-) Just kidding...

I love the sound of musket fire in the morning

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Haha!

Robs Canadian Gunrack - the most scenic gunrack in the world. LOVE this early guns research stuff Rob....cheers n keep it up

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

It has been a while since I have seen your videos. I am a big fan.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to have you back!

@charlesratcliff2016

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you.

You have a very good KZread channel on British historical weapons. I like the videos about the Brown Bess musket and the Baker rifle. The twist of the Baker rifling is very slow, I suppose that's why it loads well and fast with spherical bullet and patch, with the weapon's iron ramrod and no starter. I mean it loads faster than a Pennsylvania or Hawken flintlock rifle with a 48" twist. But you would have to know which one is more accurate at 100 yards. Greetings from Spain.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy the Channel! The twist rate doesn't really affect things for ramming... proper lubrication if the patch is the key.

Lovely as always.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

He needs Rhodesian short shorts for his non uniformed videos

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Nice historical pick...

Always a good day when a vid on this channel comes out!! 🔫🔫

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I am nearly finished building a Colonial Long Rifle. I am intrigued with the prospect of building a Baker. It would make a great video if you explained the process of building yours.

This is some great stuff, but I need that sweet, sweet Anglo-Zulu series fix...

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Working on it...

I've had the pleasure to fire both many times - this brings back fond memories.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

Fascinating video - great to see the two weapons shot together. Not forgetting that the baker armed troops are potentially picking off enemy officers at 250 yards, likely giving the opportunity for two rounds of accurate fire before changing modes. I suspect you can also add in the reputed "elite" nature of Baker armed units - I would suspect that the troops with this weapon would have on average been sharper with their drills.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

They did have a somewhat more generous allotment of practice ammunition, but not by much (60 or 70) depending on the source, vs the musket armed Light Infantry with 50.

3 things that make 1 minute feel forever. 1. Planks, 2. food in microwave, 3. loading a muzzleloader 3 rounds-3 hits.

@britishmuzzleloaders

2 жыл бұрын

Haha!

Great informative videos, well shot and well edited. I've got a few items from What Price Glory, and I was wondering where you acquired the green jacket you're wearing here. Thank you for the fantastic work!

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

You are most welcome! More info not he jacket can be found in Part One of the "Kit" series on the Channel. Cheers!

Well done, Sir!

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Context is key. If you are scouting the Pyrenees on recon or whatever, long range firepower is advantageous especially if you are hidden behind a mountain rock... pitched battles rounds need to go down range as quick as possible.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

The point being here that the baker didn't hamstring it's user with a slow rate of fire at smoothbore ranges..

I do appreciate that you are honest about errors that you make. A soldier in battle or even trying to qualify as a marksman would be bound to experience the same errors and the same difficulties.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it!

@waynetodd3287

4 жыл бұрын

britishmuzzleloaders Many thanks for highlighting the Ross as well! My Great Uncle Clarence started hi was with one of those.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

@@waynetodd3287 Most welcome!

Common lore is one thing, actual field testing another. Thank you for your efforts to part the fog of blather and conjecture.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

"the fog of blather and conjecture"...... I may have to use that in the future... :-)

@slowhand1198

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders I'm sure you'll have ample opportunity to do so. Seems to be plenty of it about.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

@@slowhand1198 Indeed! It just rolls off the tongue so nicely!

those are some confident shorts and I do respect them. carry on ol' chap.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers.

i am getting angry why this man doesn’t have million subs

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Pass the word! Cheers.

Very interesting--perhaps even more so with the small mistakes, as those surely just represent reality. How feasible and effective is a cleaning of the Baker, "in the line"?

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

No more difficult than any other weapon of the era... Water will get most of the fouling out,... makes a mess, and then has to be dried out for proper ignition...

@99IronDuke

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders I have read accounts of men urinating down the barrels of, certainly muskets, to try to clean them in action. Do you think that would work?

@genericpersonx333

4 жыл бұрын

@@99IronDuke it works for the same reason that water does: the black-powder residue responds positively to water as a solvent, and hotter water means faster chemical reactivity, improving the effect. So hot piss and beer will work great if you don't mind the smell. That said, distilled water is best because it means no additional chemicals are being added that may create fouling or corrosion of their own over time. Also good clearing away any corrosive salts your period-accurate primers might be introducing. I will also note that urinating down your barrel in public may be frowned upon by local ordinance, so check with your local police first. :)

Great video!! Would it be possible to leave in the reloading segments? It is always interesting to see how long each of the steps takes.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

I try to usually leave in one evolution's worth.... after that, it bores too many people.... :-)

Oh lordy... The short shorts are back 💪🏻!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

You bet!

@rosssmithies8331

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders I've always been a firm believer that short shorts (much like the kilt) are a force multiplier, and make you an inherently better shooter and/or person for being able to carry them off. I'm nowhere near at full-Rhodesian-short yet, but that's my life goal.

Best channel on KZread.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great shooting.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Yep! Thats what I figured. I would prefer the unpatched cartridge for the baker under 100 yards. Thanks for the video!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

In the right context... if given the time, then why not patching it and taking careful aim? Target partially concealed?.... In general though, yes, the unpatched ball performs "acceptably".....

@confederate8417

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders it does. I'm all in on the forced ball. Practical applications though I have to go with the naked paper cartridge under 100yd.

Apart from the experiment you conducted, I would still say the answer was no because riflemen were skirmishers. When they felt threatened, they could simply fall back. Therefore, I think rate of fire wasn't a huge disadvantage for them. Thanks for the video. It was really interesting to watch.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

While all Light Infantry, including the Rifles, could and did operate in close order, not all Line Infantry could perform Light duties.... so, musket armed Light Infantry, did the exact same job as the Rifles, only at closer range. A good example of this duality of capability is at Waterloo with battalions of the 95th standing in close order along side the 52nd and 71st to receive the French Guard at the climax of the battle...

omg. this is such a beautiful sight! ... the landscape, I mean.

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

A very interesting observation about the lube, it makes me wonder about the beef and pig tallow used in early .577 Enfield cartridges. Beeswax became the preferred lube, perhaps it stores better.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

There is lot's of interesting evidence to suggest that neither were used in the Mutiny... it was a ploy by the Mutineers to spark the rebellion.. there is evidence that states that they were in fact given un lubed cartridges so as to allow them to make them up with something that was acceptable... the propagandists won out on that one.. But yes,.. beeswax stores better but it is not as slick... this was only made acceptable by the reduction of the bullet to .55...

Rob thank you for the video I always enjoy them, I wonder if you tried using Bacon grease with your patches that may stop them drying out just a thought, been using TC bore butter with mine but there in a tin. Safe shooting

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, oxidization is a factor, here as with other combinations... I think that it may have more to do with minimizing rather than eliminating the issue...

Mate your information is awesome, you should get in touch with forgotten weapons, I bet you could reach a much greater audience and he loves to talk to historical specialists like you. Mate you should write a book if you aren't interested in a collaboration with a larger KZread historian

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

That is very kind. Glad you enjoy the Channel.

Hope you are keeping safe in these crazy corona times

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We are. And you as well!

I suppose the real question Horse Guards were more interested in was whether to have filet de bœuf or pheasant for dinner, the blighters. Very interesting comparison, however, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of the Bess in the future (especially anything of the '39 Pattern).

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

There will be percussion muskets on the Channel at some point.... :-)

Thanks for the time and effort to produce this vid. Bearing in mind the similarities between the musket and rifle accuracy and rof, would it be useful to continue experimentation at a longer range? Was the rifle, by changing from loose to patched, more adaptable according to battlefield circumstances? Eg, could the rifle be effective as a sort of longer range skirmishing, almost a proto sniping weapon, yet also be effective in a closer range, 'line' situation? Please forgive any inaccurate language, I'm not an expert!

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

That is precisely the point of the video. :-) The rifle was absolutely more adaptable. Expense and training were the two barriers to more rifles on the battlefield. (as well as a bit of focus on the contemporary paradigm) Patched ball at longer range, when a bit more time can be taken, and unpatched ball at shorter range when urgency takes on more of a consideration... When taken into context with the rest of the Baker videos on the Channel, which feature shooting to 300 yds, you can see the demonstration of the true capabilities (or lack of them) of the Baker.

I would like to see you do a video on the subject of tap loading as discussed in Bernard Cornwall's Sharp's series.

@bskorupk

4 жыл бұрын

There's a video on that by the 2/95th Regt (Australia) Reenactors, "Flintlock Musket: Napoleonic tap loading - fiction and fact" here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gqqXmpigl6-7iZc.html It's comments/description also have some good tidbits. Hope this helps! :)

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

As mentioned, "csadler" did a great job on that one....

Oh fuck it, I'm going to sub. Been watching his videos anyway. He finally beat me down.

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

Reluctant or not,.. happy to have you aboard.

@gungriffen

Жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders You and Bloke on the Range were talking about a company that might be making high quality reproduction Baker Rifles, out of curiosity which one is it so if they do I can buy one.

More musket videos please. I am a very passionate Napoleonic history nerd and especially with the musket. However, I don't have one. So you should probably show me. ^^

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

There are more coming...

Great video but my answer to Mr Snow would have been that the two weapons were used in a different manner, the Brown Bess was a volley fire weapon fired at a packed crowd of troops and the Baker Rifle was use as a "sharp shooter" to pick off individual targets. Both very effective at their job. Or I could be totally wrong.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily.... While the general conception was that musket armed troops only fought in close order, that is a misunderstanding. The musket was used in exactly the same role as the rifle... for light infantry duties... the ranges available for engagement were obviously shorter, but in watching a Light Infantry company or battalion do it's thing, there would be little difference between those in green and those in red....

Super Rob. Comme d'habitude. Proves the practice of having some unpatched paper cartridges in the Rifleman's pouch was sensible. One does notice a slower lock time for the Baker on the video. In the case of the succeeding Brunswick Rifle the Riflemen were issued both a sewn ball pre greased and a small quantity of extra grease to remedy your 'dryness' issue. Where and how they kept it is not recorded to my knowledge. Thank you for the trials. I do wonder if your older patched balls had an issue with the shortening reacting with the lead ball over time to form a lead soap corrosion which is not slippery and enlarges the ball?

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps John. About 4 inches down the barrel, I knew I was into it for good... it was really quite an ordeal... lots of effort to get the ball down.. I have some cartridges from a similar timeframe left and I'll go and see if there is any corrosion...

I was honestly expecting the first skit to have the "rate of fire" fellow to be super sped up as he fired. "Rate of fire!" *comically fast reloading ensues*

@britishmuzzleloaders

3 жыл бұрын

Haha!

Fantastic video as always. Can I please ask what that tunic and shorts combo is and where I might be able to purchase said items?

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

There is more info in the Part One of the Kit series on the Channel. (not on the shorts....)

Asides from extra costs, is there a reason why they didn't put sights onto the standard infantryman's muskets? Seems like the accuracy would improve by quite a bit! - Big fan of your videos, best wishes from Norwich, UK

@britishmuzzleloaders

11 ай бұрын

Just not seen as being needed given the reality of the era.... Cheers!

I suppose the main thing was the two different weapons were used with very different tactics, which is somewhat indicated by the Brown Bess' rudimentary sights. The musketeers were generally positioned in parallel columns against the enemy firing off volleys as fast as they could and more-or-less just vaguely pointing the business end at the enemy, whereas the riflemen were skirmishers who would go after valuable targets like officers.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Actually the weapons were used with the same tactics.. either close order or extended order. Although all line infantry were not necessarily trained in Light Infantry duties, all Light infantry were trained in close order procedures and used them routinely.

Interesting that the Bess was fouling up so quickly, in my series with my 1815 Swedish musket I easily did 13 shorts from cartridges without any substantial fouling issues. I only stopped because I’d run out of cartridges.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

It didn't really foul out, per se.... if the paper rucks up, there is additional friction of course.... Perhaps a slightly smaller mandrel would see the paper hang up less....That day, I fired around 32 rounds in total....

I can't remember where I came across it, but years back I read some reports of Highland troops in America during the 7 Years War. Apparently some of the officers complained about oversized round balls that the troops had been issued (was it at Fort Ticonderoga? Wish I could remember!). The Highland troops maintained a normal rate of fire, but fouling was a much more significant problem, as was recoil. An interesting side effect was that the soldiers were hitting more shots at the limit of the Brown Bess' normal range. I'd give my eye teeth to find the book or journal that was in.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Tolerances in the 1700s were not as they were later.. indeed there are anecdotes of orders issued for men to check that their ammunition fit their weapons.. Not an issued by the Napoleonic Wars...

@itatane

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you for the reply Rob! You know, I read that with your presentation voice in my head...

Extremely interesting.

@britishmuzzleloaders

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Again fascinating. What wonderful country to shoot in! It strikes me that the rate of fire/accuracy issue is to some degree academic, as the tactical employment, or ideal tactical employment of line and rifle infantry would be different? Second point, the lubrication of patches. What in theory was used during the period, were there records outlining the formula? I have heard of tallow and beeswax. Would not he cartridge itself be greased externally, or waxed, to prevent drying out? but know nothing of ammunition production, who, where and why at this time, as opposed to the actual making of firearms, which is only really half the picture. Work to be done on ammo manufacturer I think. The only one I can think of are the Waltham Royal Mills near Enfield, but not sure if they actually made cartridges.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

The limited material on the subject available states that tallow was used... No, the cartridge was not waxed externally..

The data confirms what was written by many British Riflemen and Portuguese Cacadores at the time. Ball and patch for sniping and skirmishing and no patch when firepower down range was important or in times of urgency . Of course rate of fire at say a French column for instance takes less time as your sight picture is not important ,the single bead on the end of the Bess is adequate for this task. In this regard with a massed target it is more to do with how well drilled the men are with the weapon than the weapon itself. The Baker does give us a 2 for 1 in this respect and in this respect without the patch almost becomes an shortened musket. Thorough testing of the different Baker Ammunition was interesting. It is interesting that outside of the Light Division in the Peninsular each division got a company from the 60th Rifles for skirmishing activities along with the Musket armed troops within a battalion's own light company. Great Upload.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Do you know if specific references to unmatched ball cartridges?... I'd be interested to se them, for sure!

The British did actually develop a variant of the Brown Bess with proper sights for light infantry use, the New Land Pattern Light Infantry Musket. It was also shorter and had a brass grip similar to the Baker Rifle for sturdier accurate shooting. It was in service with light infantry units from 1812-1840.

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

This is covered in the Brown Bess Intro video, yes.

@someguy3766

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders Ah right, I'm sure I've watched that one but it must've been a while ago for me to forget!

Seems like you did this video for me, because of my future baker rifle

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Sure thing!

@diktatoralexander88

4 жыл бұрын

@@britishmuzzleloaders I already got the kit together (horn, mold , sling). No primer horn though. Don't have any paper cartridge stuff because my/our homemade stuff crumbles too easily. It compresses well, but doesn't work in paper cartridges. Anything else you'd recommend I get ?

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

@@diktatoralexander88 The book, British Military Flintlock rifles by DW Bailey.

I Love your work, and honest effort, but if a battle is settled with the pointy end of the musket what then of the Baker armed trooper?

@britishmuzzleloaders

4 жыл бұрын

Um, the sword?

Great video, very impressive lock time. Were you using 1F or 2F? What make is the Baker rifle? I feel like I'm missing one from my collection now!

@britishmuzzleloaders

Жыл бұрын

TRS... Lot's of info on the rifle and a FAQ video on the Channel if you are interested!