Link to bike in description 👍

Simple and effective. Thanks man the bike is 20 percent more exciting

Thanks for the update. If you drilled the head out you could put a screw back in if you sell or trade it. But it is always good to go faster.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I'm doing anyone who would buy it a favor, 19mph is too slow lol.

Got a BT200X on closeout (looks like they replaced them with the new B200R which is a neat looking bike with factory disc brakes) I plan to do this mod tomorrow and drill a big hole in the front of my air box (not sure if it will help but another youtuber said it did some for him) Saving up for a torque converter, exhaust,and better air filter!

I just cut the bolt off my throttle stop and made the mistake of attempting to modify the spring and I agree leaving that spring on there is the right move

An air filter with straight pipe and correr jet will give you good take off power and higher speed. I have 2 Baja mini bikes on was stock and I got bigger tires and did throttle stop and governor delete. It would hit about 33-35mph I put a torque converter it would go 52mph on the road.

Used a knipex cutter to remove the screw easily. Solid video man.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thanks for the video. I just picked up a used ct200 and according to gps mine tops out at 19-20mph. Gonna try this mod just to see how much more I can gain.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

A few more- then you have to bypass the governor if you want more. Check out my minibike playlist for that video...

@deegaw11

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics just did the mod and went out for a spin. Top speed was 24mph but the torque gain was insane. Definitely gained torque because it snapped my head back when I wasn’t expecting it. Mod was definitely worth it since it cost nothing. Thanks!

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir! Makes the bike much more enjoyable to ride.

Good simple instruction video. 👍. Suggest getting other things in place before zip tie or removing the mechanical governor. It cost me one of 3 motors. In my experience it needs some combo of break in time, more fuel, valve springs, clutch mods or CVT to protect from the risk of failure. But perhaps it was a factory flaw. Consider next free & simple mod removing gas tank and drilling small hole on outer edge of metal throttle arm on same plane as existing holes to relocate spring mounting point. This allows it to fully open the throttle. After the screw & throttle arm mods mine went to 31-33 gps mph. Flat road 220 pound rider. Better acceleration to. Maybe these videos if you keep going can be linked for step by step progressive mods. Keep it up.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

That's kinda what I'm doing, step by step, and I plan to keep posting videos for a while on the bikes. I was going to cover the valve thing in the governor removal video, and will definately be upgrading the valves. As far as break in, you are right, and many people overlook or are ignorant to this. I drove around easy for the first 20 minutes when I first rode it, and only went "full throttle" after that because I knew it wasn't actually full throttle due to the throttle stop screw. And I have intentionally waited until just now to do the throttle stop delete, sitting at about 9hrs ride time, to give the engine time to break in first. Next is first service which is first oil change and valve check, which I will of course post a video of. Yesterday I went down the road and held the governor back and got it up to 33mph, just started to feel the valves float. And I am aware of the flywheel and rod issues at high rpm, will be adressing that. One step at a time...

@vernlochtefeld1626

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics Get a cheap digital tach like $15. Yeah I think 33 mph is on the edge of out of fuel from the stock carb tiny epa jet. Also with stock clutch & spring clutch slip it sounded like it was nearing the edge of the weak stock valve springs. Then With stock clutch & zip tie governor I went 38 mph winging. One bike with more hours & 15 pound springs survived unharmed. The other with lesser hours & still having the stock 10lb valve springs winged & stumbled. Who knows 5,500 rpms? Tear down inspection showed rod bolt / rod was letting go. Lesson learned. Then Added the CVT and digi tach. Acceleration improved top speed jumped and rpms dropped all noticeably. With the 15 lb springs it’s done fine to 4800 44 mph on a flat 5200 rpm 48 down a hill. I think the stock cam is not only way past peak but completely out of push by 5k. I also think 5k is the safe rod limit on a flat. Stock sprockets 10 tooth front 50 tooth rear or 5.00 final drive ratio. That speed was on on 9/50 for a 5.55 ratio. Even though it’s past power range I think a little lower gear would still allow it to get both a little more acceleration & top speed out. Because gearing feels tall & it takes road to get to the top speed. I think the 10/60 will show ideal at a 6.00 drive ratio. Got the 60 tooth & chain but haven’t swapped it on yet. Still Shouldn’t be past 5k on a flat. Hoping for 45-46 on a flat 49-50 down a lil grade. Then it should be optimized for the stock motor and I’ll leave it alone.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Another bike channel I watch suggested using 22lb springs instead of the 18lb upgrade that everyone swaps to, stating that the 18's are longer and harder to get in, whereas the 22's are the same length of the stockers; plus the 22's could handle even more rpm with a full stage 4 build. I'm going to put a cvt on at least one of them. I know they take off faster and optimize this and that, but I just hate the constant rpm, as opposed to hearing it rev higher the faster I go. I'm going to compare the cvt take off to centrifugal clutch, and compare to centrifugal clutch with stiffer springs for a higher engaugement speed to the cvt.

@vernlochtefeld1626

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics No pro engine builder here. But what springs depends on where you are going with the motor. What I put in is plenty for the stock cam / limited rpm. On my stage 2 cam billet rod & flywheel Tilly motor I put in 26s to go with the cam lift & rpm. Stock Hemi head. I’ve run it at just under 7k. That cam is only 265/265 lift 236/236 duration. If you’re actually going stage 4 with ported heads. you would have a cam & rpm that would require more more than 22 lb springs. Your also not likely keeping the factory Hino motor.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I've seen some of the 212's turn 9000rpm; wonder what springs you would need for that lol. I plan to swap one of the Hisun 196 engines out of one of the big bikes into the ct100u, then put a Predator 212 in the bike it came out of so I can do comparison videos. I'll compare them mod for mod, build them both at the same time, side by side. After I'm done with that, I was going to compare those fully built engines to the Tillitson 225 race engine that I'll swap into one, and then I also want to do a 420 swap and build.

Thx it goes much faster

🤓👍 Notes : You can also bend back the stop tab the screw w strike or cut it off & leave the screw alone I'd also recommend an E3 spark plug as they do make a Noticeable difference in Most engines . I hope you make more Vids on your Mini bike as your Pace was perfect for me to follow Being an adult w a form of autism . TY VM 😆🖖

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I'll have to try the plug, thanks for the tip. What do you think about running ngk iridium? That's what I run in my cars. I might do one E3 and one NGK to compare. I have review videos of all the bikes but they are longer. And I am certainly posting more videos, as I do different mods and such as stated in this video. I actually just came in from making a snow video on both the 200's, and I'm about to do the gov deletes. I'm glad the pace worked for you. Over the years I have been working on pace. I try to make it as quick as possible without talking too fast and without skipping details, that way the video isn't boring or rushed and lacking.

@houseslosttribe1351

3 жыл бұрын

Btw There are swiveling Antenna mounts that may be used to create a fairly proper trailer or Small Log hitch w out Modifying the bike itself even though There are No returns . I mention this because some peeps don't know how to weld & dang it's easy to learn some stuff from Qaulity Vids & Pace of info is Key . I'm a former Wireless Infrastructure Eng ,QA/QC TM ; so Co's like Tesco online (located in Hunts Valley, Maryland) may have those Swivel mounts . (Most are Aluminum yet Heavy Duty) Wireless-estimator May sell them too ; both are Good Co's . Many don't like the Weak racks w No options ; perhaps someone might Fab & make some Beans . I hate cutting up a good now beefier 1.5" frame & I've seen an ext job done where they did it wrong & may possibly break & hurt a piggyback rider . Peeps if you cut the tail off to extend it then do sleeve the joints w an inner piece of pipe . A Fencing Sleeve connector may fit ? Drill hole through at each end , insert sleeve & extension pipe then Weld the Plug holes & joint = fairly basic . Perhaps you might Get creative & use it as an idea for another Vid ? No credit needed = just 1 of many Dumb thoughts We silly humans Share w each other . Guns & Cars 🤓👍 2 Wonderful Topics I've been reading some of the language of these 6 Gun bills going through DC House & they're Insane We might all end up w Air Rifles ( there are some really nice ones Now) & Bows & Arrow again if peeps don't tell their Reps Nuht Ahn ; GOP can't win back House if they Lose more Votes . My hunting etc days are behind me now , I don't have kids ; yet my Rep knows my Opinion already on this infringement stuff & We need to Preserve what We Can for Next generations regardless of party . Peace & Much Love 🖖

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Right now I'm working on some custom exhaust systems for the bikes unlike anything I've seen anyone else do, utilizing actual performance mufflers instead of the little pop can mufflers the mini bike shops provide. I'm trying to figure out a way to mount them which will likely require welding a braket to the frame. I have a welder but I'm not sure if I'm tackling the welds myself because I just have a little cheap $90 Harbor Freight welder and it leaves real sloppy welds compared to the Lincolns I was used to using at my last job. I want it to look nice, so I may hire some help. Then my biggest concern is getting paint to match the frame to re-paint it once it is welded in place. I may be making a bracket instead that bolts up under the seat and sticks out the side.

@Deucealive75

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics Are you going to do videos on the exhaust work? That would be interesting. Don't worry about the cheap welder. I have a cheapy myself and made a pipe last year. Turned out ok even with my zero experience welding. I didn't want to bracket to the frame because of the engine flexing on the mount. If I mounted to the frame my weld at the flange would break. I added a bracket from silencer to the head. Doesn't look that great but it supports the silencer and pipe.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I will be making videos of it and everything I do to the bikes. And the mufflers I have are pretty heavy so I need some sturdy hangers.

I guess I was lucky....my throttle stop screw wasn't tack welded....I just backed mine out til it was only about 3 threads left....

Why would you cut it and not just adjust it

Does the bike back fire now that you remove the screw when in full throttle

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

No

I was able to use a Philips screwdriver to get the screw out on my CT200u. For some reason I am having throttle issues, I throttle and it throttles on its own for a second or two.

@ME-pw3kc

2 жыл бұрын

you need to add a spring the the throttle so when you let off of the gas the spring will pull it back

Hey! I cut mine like yours but I have to pull the throttle all the way down just so it can go. Even then, the spring prevents it from going all the way down so idk what to do

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I'm assuming you had this issue before watching my video and modifying yours? If not then you cut something you weren't supposed to lol.

@isaiaslopez4588

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics no lol, I cut the screw preventing the throttle from stopping, but the problem is it still won’t go any further then where the screw originally was

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Then there's something janky in the linkage or throttle wire going on. Hard to diagnose over the internet, but that's where I would look. Maybe something is bent, maybe something is getting caught, or maybe something needs adjusted. As I said, hard to diagnose without seeing it for myself...

@isaiaslopez4588

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics ok cool! Thank you, I was just confused on why. I also thought it was the throttle wire, but just wanted another opinion on it

@ME-pw3kc

2 жыл бұрын

you have a binding problem with that big spring. twist the gas and watch what it does. might have to trim it. or delete and a honda spring mod. common with gov delete

Yup best way , yup 😊

Thanks, great video, how often do you change the oil out. My sons are mostly on rds but have put about 10 hrs in so far.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

First oil change is at 10hrs, along with valve clearance check, per the owners manual. After the first oil change and valve check, it is then every 90 hours for oil change and valve checks- again, per owners manual. About to do this to all of mine as soon as the weather improves, as mine are at about their first 10hrs now also.

Also if it won’t run without the choke what does that mean

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

Possibly problems with the air filter/intake or carb issues like needing cleaned or the wrong jet is installed. Cold be spark plug as well, but less likely.

I’ve got a question, i got rid of the lock on the throttle, but it started cutting out. Why did this happen?

@james737er

2 жыл бұрын

More information: I pulled the tab down and that was it. And by cutting out, i mean it doesn’t ride steady and feels like it’s gonna blow up.

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand what you mean by lock on the throttle- do you mean the throttle stop screw I'm assuming? If it's cutting out at high rpm then it's because your valves are floating like I discussed in this video. If that's not what it's doing, then I need a better description or video of the problem to understand what exactly is going on...

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't see your 2nd comment until I finished mine. You're probably over revving it and floating the valves- don't rev it so high...

@james737er

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics oh alright, i pulled the tab back up so it’s running normal

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

Mine only went a little faster (23mph instead of 19mph) in my throttle stop delete video, and it wasn't until this governor bypass video that it went fast enough/revved high enough (31mph) to float *my* valves (as I warned about in this video). But you're the 2nd person in only a few days who has seemingly floated their valves from only bypassing the throttle stop and not the governor, so I'm not sure what's going on with your guy's bikes. That is the whole point of the governor, is to prevent the engine from revving too high. So if you guys haven't messed with the governor at all, it shouldn't be over revving like that. Only deleting or bypassing the governor like I did in this video should allow that to happen...

Next time, you can just take out the 2 screws right up under the air filter

@jordanchapman4110

Жыл бұрын

There removes gov?

Are there any downsides or inconveniences after doing the throttle stop removal?

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

As long as you still have the governor then I would say no. I removed the governor later which I also posted a video of and went even faster, but at that point you have to be careful to not over-rev the engine, which I discussed in that video...

@WhiskersTheFish

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics I heard some people say that when you remove the throttle stop and reach max speed (with governor) the engine starts to kind of surge and the bike will move back and fourth while riding. Is this true? And how noticeable is it in person?

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it does it when it first hits the governor, like once or twice, then settles down. If you listen carefully in the video, you can hear it happen when I go down the road. It's basically the same effect as if you backed off the throttle 15% and then got back on it, once or twice. But as I said, it smoothes out after it hits once or twice and then just stays there. It's not anything that's gonna throw you off the bike or anything like that.

@WhiskersTheFish

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics Thanks for the reply and information. I’m probably going to get one around may or when it starts to get warm. I don’t want to remove the governor but in my opinion 19mph is a little too slow.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime, thanks for watching. And yeah, I live on a single acre and it would hit 19mph when I was only halfway across my yard. It was much more fun once I did the trottle stop bypass because I could continue to accelerate across my yard.

Ur supposed to have the choke lever to the left or right when it’s off? I got the ct200u

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

To the right

@skillchamp4208

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics oh see I’ve been keeping it to the left is that bad ?

@skillchamp4208

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics another thing I took the governor screw off just like u did in the video and it still only goes 20 max speed

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

It'll make the engine run too rich and thus you'll get worse performance and increased fuel consumption. You need to choke it to start it, then flip it off a few seconds later. If you've been driving it around with the choke on, then you should notice it runs better and uses less fuel with it off.

@skillchamp4208

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics I’ve been having it to the left while it’s off but then when it’s on I but it all the way to the right

Is moving the throddle stop bad for it

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Bypassing the throttle stop shouldn't hurt anything because you still have the governor which keeps it from revving too high. Bypassing the throttle stop just lets you actually go full throttle, instead of only partial.

Does your bike shake at full throttle

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

It vibrates quite a lot after bypassing the governor at higher speeds, yes.

Will it work for ct200u ?

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

When I do this do I use 10w40 instead of 10w30

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

When you do what?

@danielespinoza7880

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics remove the throttle stop

@danielespinoza7880

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics cause aren’t you forcing the engine more

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, you're asking if you should use 10w40 for added protection due to the higher revs? You still have the governor which keeps the engine from over revving, so it is still a safe rpm and not over working the engine. But I run 10w40 in mine anyway because you aren't supposed to use 10w30 above 86 degrees farenheit, and it's gets hotter than that where I am at. I also did a video bypassing the governor if you are interested in that...

@danielespinoza7880

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics ok, thank you

What tool is he using to cut it?

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

It's called a "rotory" tool. Specifically mine is a Dremel, which is what some people call the tool anyway because Dremel is kinda the original.

@tracyazevedo

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome

How much speed did you gain?

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Uh, watch the video and you will see...

@Bikingwithliedtke

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics I did I did not hear anything

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I said "see." I did a before and after run with a gps speedometer that was positioned in the bottom right corner of the screen in the video. Actually I'm pretty sure I even said it as well, but I'm 100% sure I showed it. I don't mean to be difficult, but I really hate answering questions that were already answered in the video. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of watching a video if you're just gonna ask me what is already in it...

I just removed my governor but when I start it up, it automatically accelerates to full revs, it literally sounds like it’s gonna blow up, now I’m just wondering why I did all these speed upgrades… :(

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

Did what I did in the video, or something else?

@danielespinoza7880

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics something else… the actual governor gear and now my motor just revs super fast by itself

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

I would double check all linkages and the throttle too. Try twisting the opposite direction on the throttle if you haven't already, also you can manually pull the throttle linkage back with your fingers down by the engine. If this works then something is causing your throttle to be open when it should be closed, which I'm 99% sure is the issue...

@danielespinoza7880

2 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics most definitely will check tomorrow morning, I think a lot of people have the same issue as I do when you remove the governor and take off the choke, just absolutely full send on the motor, thanks for the help man

@BuckeyeBallistics

2 жыл бұрын

I have had people do what I did in this video and have the same issue, always tell them to check the linkage. I'm eventually doing a video on what you did as well. It's easy to get the linkage stuck or bent. You can easily grab the throttle arm on the carb and manipulate it closed to open. It wouldn't rev to the moon if it wasn't open some... I wish you luck and please let me know what you find.

Bent the tab back and my 200U ex only goes 22 with me on it at 162 pounds.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Twist harder and you'll go 23 lol. If you want to go faster, check out my governor bypass video in the minibike playlist and you'll get over 30mph.

I drilled the screw out with a standard bit that was about the same diameter as the screw shaft. I drilled it out from the side you would put a screw driver in. My max speed was 20mph and now it's 24 🤣🤘🏼

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Now check out my governor bypass video and you will go over 30 😁 🤘

I'm wondering how some think that doing this will make acceleration better. You get full throttle (on the carb) before cutting the screw. 0-20 mph full throttle is the same under both stock and throttle screw removed. A couple guys did a video on this and acceleration was the same.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

If you were getting full throttle, then it wouldn't go faster by doing this, as this is not the engine governor. Explain the extra speed if it doesn't allow the carb to open more...

@Deucealive75

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics Easy. The extra manual throttle travel increases the spring tension the governor has to overcome. It takes more RPM to overcome the extra spring tension. The extra speed comes from the extra RPM.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense. I did notice something of that sort when I did the throttle stop delete on the ct100u. I noticed and detailed in the video that you didn't have to cut it back all the way because it was just over travel and the carb was already completely open. However, I had already bent the screw all the way back, so I was able to twist it way past full throttle. When I went on the road, on one occasion I was full throttle, but it didn't go quite as fast. So I twisted it further and it went a little faster/revved higher. So your explanation explains that then, thank you. How does the internal part of the gov work exactly? I saw it looks like a little gear but I'm unclear how it engauges; centrifugal throwout engaugement?

@Deucealive75

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics Yes centrifugal throwout is a good way to describe it. The thing about these governors is that they work great on lawn mowers and other equipment where you are typically at a fixed throttle position to do the work. They sense changes in the load and respond quickly by opening the throttle then backing off once the load is satisfied. They are there to maintain a certain RPM at a fixed throttle position. But they can be annoying in the mini bike and go kart application because the rider wants full control over the throttle. And of course they can be set to a max governed RPM. The norm is 3600 RPM. I don't mind the governor and have kept both of my Coleman 200's governed. Last year I set one to govern to 5,000 RPM. Just tinkering.

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but with a stage 1 kit the engine makes much more top end power, well beyond 3600rpm. So at that point it makes more sense to remove it, and of course also at that point one has to consider valve springs, rod, and flywheel. I like the idea of keeping the same sprocket size for decent take off acceleration, but gaining more speed by modifying the engine to run higher rpm with more power, safely. Of course there is the cvt torque converters, but I hate the constant rpm sound while driving around.

Why not just take the screw out. Save yourself some time take the 2 10mm nuts off and take the whole air filter housing off in one piece.

Yo can u make a vid on how to turn it on

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Are you asking me how to start the minibike? Turn the fuel on, choke on, and make sure the killswitch is off. Then give it a few tugs and it will start. Once it starts, turn the choke off. I showed this process in the review video of the ct100u and ct200u-ex. If that's not what you're asking, then you'll have to be more specific.

@darklegend_yt1355

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics ok thank you so much

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome

I broke mine off with bolt cutters

Just drill out the screw so you can put one back in and adjust for younger or inexperienced riders, both of your solutions for these bikes are half assed.

@josephofthejungle284

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know what size screw for the replacement?

@fuffpuff299

2 жыл бұрын

Lol to hard for a power tool their made from robots

the stock speed is 23-25 with the adjustments in this video it should do 30 😂🤣🤣🤣

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

I showed the stock speed in this video... 19mph. It depends on what year your bike is. The newer ones are held back more than the older ones- also the gearing is different (sprocket sizes) for different years. You assume they are all the same and they are not. So unless you have a 2020 model like mine, then these reasons mentioned are probably why. That or your method of measuring the speed was inaccurate.

There is a little gear in the back of the crank case that has a centrifugal switch attached to that's connected to the drive shaft that's the real governor not the throttle stop you can take that out and probably get it up to 40 mph

@JayyLHdz

7 ай бұрын

Can you make a video tutorial? Just bought a b200r and would love to try this

@BuckeyeBallistics

7 ай бұрын

@Jayy - There are already tons of videos on that - just search "governor delete." This zip tie method is more of a bypass...

I know they good to help ya drag a deer outta the wood's. ..and the kids play on it in the yard 👍

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have seen a few people use them for that. Good cheap deer dragger.

Mine is welded 💀

@BuckeyeBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

So was mine- that's why I showed cutting it...

@yourdailymemerr5409

3 жыл бұрын

@@BuckeyeBallistics yea you helped a good bit cuz I had no clue what would be small enough to fit in there and cut lol...completely forgot those lil saws were a thing😂