4000 a year university fee is the only thing about this clip that is outdated.

@wholeNwon

4 жыл бұрын

@Rad Derry Therein lies a lesson.

@RolfHartmann

4 жыл бұрын

Converting from 1978 (making a ballpark guess for when the episode might have aired) to 2020, I get 20,026 pounds. Of course university fees have tended to outpace general inflation, so that would not even be too bad today.

@misterjei

4 жыл бұрын

@@RolfHartmann Yes Minister originally ran from 1980-1984. So the adjusted figure would be around £14 thousand.

@duxnihilo

4 жыл бұрын

@@misterjei But didn't it take place in the seventies?

@Noobsaibot21

4 жыл бұрын

@@duxnihilo I don't think they specified time timezone so will just have to time the gag based on the broadcast date and rough time it was written

As a Sussex grad, I can confirm we had classrooms.

@makarabaduk1754

6 жыл бұрын

And were careful not to drop the soap in the showers?

@Riddscommy

6 жыл бұрын

No idea, couldn't afford soap.

@ABC_DEF

4 жыл бұрын

I was at Oxford and never saw a classroom. I don't think there were any.

@wemuk5170

4 жыл бұрын

USS Spirit LSE was absolutely awful! Ghastly in my days: the classrooms & stairways were creepy.🥺

@readsomebooks666

4 жыл бұрын

You poor bastards.

'I don't think that's awfully funny.' he said it with such conviction 🤣

This great clip pokes at a lot of deep issues. Foreign vs domestic enrollment in universities, universities as a business vs a public service vs a socio-meritocratic filter, the place of the sciences vs the humanities, etc.

@sdaiwepm

2 жыл бұрын

I see I'm not the only one here working in higher ed.

45 downvotes from Wormwood Scrubs inmates who were outraged at being compared to Sussex grads 😎

@suisui2945

6 ай бұрын

😮why

"Mm, why, did I pass the port the wrong way?" Oh, Humphrey, you snarky darling. XD

Arguably the best Political series of All Time - still runs as a Classic. Even Thatcher (love, like or hate her) once famously remarked with a grin that its "closer to reality than some may think" ..... she never missed an episode :)

@seangannon6005

4 жыл бұрын

"some may think" I thought the humour of the show revolved around it's glaring similarities to actual government policies and actions

@TheLocoUnion

4 жыл бұрын

Sean Gannon Yep, that’s what Thatcher was implying. 😊👍🏼

@RosheruCell

4 жыл бұрын

So did David Cameron a few years back 😕

As a former international student to the British Commonwealth (Canada) I can confirm that this video holds up to today's standard. They make you pay about 4 times the amount that normal Canadians have to pay for university. Not to mention you aren't eligible for student loans, etc. That's why they are addicted to students from mainland China, who doesn't mind paying those excess fees.

@sheilamacdougal4874

2 жыл бұрын

You are eligible for British Council overseas student scholarships, as well as scholarships from your university or college. As for student loans, you have to apply to your own Canadian government for that.

@AmTrFilms

10 ай бұрын

It's the same thing in Canada at our universities with international students

'... or the University of Sussex...'

Sad to see how accurate this series (and this episode) was in predicting the future ...

It’s a simple strategy. Use what you’ve got to get what you want 😂😅

Oxford's current overseas rate is just under £25,000 a year, so they argument definitely holds up, considering the average cost of an Oxford education is £16,800 per student.

@Septimus_ii

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking - overseas students DO pay the full economic cost of their tuition plus a substantial markup

@xr6lad

3 жыл бұрын

They don't have to take it. They can go elsewhere. One therefore must assumed it's a desirable university therefore they can mark it up. Plus it often comes with unspoken benefits such as jumping immigration queues for permanent residency and that in itself is worth a fee.

@Chad.Commenter

3 жыл бұрын

@@xr6lad jumping? How? That may have been true in the past but most of these retards who study in foreign universities simply have to go back home.

@michaelgoldsmith9359

3 жыл бұрын

AD and going back home means they pay less than the locals who find the education by there taxes which justifies the raised prices for foreigners

@LolTollhurst

3 жыл бұрын

Perchance some are simplyfing issues a tad for youtube comments pertaining to tax, immigration, and other subjects accurately labelled nationalistic/wealth intersectional. Some questions: 1. Do some have opinions about just who gets to join their society? 2. Do some nations state preference for admission by one's "practical usability" to the local society, and is there a factor for higly desirable, alternatively skilled, demonstrated education and diploma? 3. Does the discussion about these wildly discussed topics generally revolve around a philosophical war for who, even who as in specific individuals in the most narcissistic speakers, should be successful in the existing societal hierarchy? And even more, who should be wealthy? Who's life should be a life of luxury, and should anyone be deprieved? 4. How does one prioritise people and resources available? Twisted, darkly, continued; how does one triage? Answers to these questions are enough to map anyone to our current political parties. Then like now and hopefully not forever... these things are what politic divides in to many nations revolve around. While it can be worse, i still hope you'd join me in wishing for better. Have hope a society could build better, and that you and me would take risk and sacrifices, for better. Why give up building a house just because some dick head screams and throw rocks at you? No matter your response and what you do, don't stop building you house. You might start a city.

The recent pandemic has exposed how crappy the economics of universities all across the UK are. It's not just Oxbridge relying on international students, it's a lot more universities than that!

Still applicable today . absolute class .

Every Yes Minister clip is an education to me

"...or the University of Sussex."! Cruel!

It was alleged that many of the ideas for the plots apparently came from Harold Wilson's Prime Minister's real life private secretary Marcia Falkender (the Bernard character), so many of the plots have a string of truth to them. Hence the plots in Oxford (where Wilson attended).

I was born in 1998 and this show is still so ironically relevant

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

I’m for full fees to be charged to domestic students. Tax money not for educating everyone

4,000 pounds is about $7,000... even accounting for inflation since the 80s it's a long way off from $40,000. And the value you get for your money! Incredible.

@tgfabthunderbird1

Ай бұрын

About a grand less for my freshman year. Of course my sports factory, ur, college now charges 8 times the figure.

He has the best timing in the business...

Absolutely true even here in Canada.

Frank Middlemass. Brilliant in this and Ripping Yarns Murder at Moorstones Manor.

@capnordest

4 жыл бұрын

was also an excellent headmaster in 'To serve them all my days', an excellent series.

£4000 a year?! I'd KILL for that!

How true and realistic!

£4000 a year? That'd be a downright bargain in Britain today.

@raphaelalexandreyensen6291

4 жыл бұрын

written in the 1970s

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

That was for foreign students, not domestic.

@adamwelch6217

2 жыл бұрын

I think the open university is still cheaper than that, and maybe Birkbeck

EXCELENT

‘It would be like Wormwood Scrubs’ 😂😂

@Seffer I did my MSc in geometry at Oxford.

Education is a Business after all😁😁😁😁

@TimBrewin So that Advert isnt there? Am i imagining that?

Something is telling me that the University of Sussex alums we're enjoying this video until the very end then something changed

@duracell777 it's BBC World channel - the BBC's commercial arm.

£4000? Can you imagine anyone paying a £4000 tuition fee? Why that would be ludicrous! Next we'd be paying £9000, if you'd believe that

@thomasb.5643

6 жыл бұрын

You pay that much if you're british, overseas is way more expensive...

@pierzing.glint1sh76

5 жыл бұрын

When this was filmed, University tuition was free for UK students

@wemuk5170

4 жыл бұрын

Pierzing.glint1sh7 Tony Blair introduced tuition fee in September 1998. [By the way, this same evil person introduced PFI (privatisation) into the NHS. This guy was more tory than all the Tories put together.]

@kaptinkeiff

3 жыл бұрын

@@gentblue Yes, free for us Scots, and as a result our top universities have tiny proportions of Scottish students. Precisely for the reason outlined in this clip. My University (top in Scotland) is only roughly 25% Scottish. But it's free, for the few who are lucky enough to get it...

@mrcaboosevg6089

3 жыл бұрын

@@wemuk5170 The Tories don't try to privatise things, certainly less than Labour do

lolz actually I go to Uni of sussex...its very true lolz

These wise men didn't foresee the Chinese going to UK to receive education.

I think Sir Humphrey's master's daughter went to University of Sussex.

Anything but home students...it’d be like wormwood scrubs or the University of Sussex

RIP, Bernard. :-(

Arizona State University has lots of classes with hundreds of students per professor.

It's Rocky, Lionel Hardcastle's father.

@AnnabellaRedwood

3 жыл бұрын

Rock on!!! 😀🤠

Not true - universities get approx £3000 per UK arts/humanities/social science student and approx £10,000 for sciences from the government (plus further £3000ish in top-up fees), but nothing for overseas except fees direct from students (not sure about EU, suspect it's same as UK). However there are quotas for home students (so treasury has a limited bill to pay) while universities can have as many overseas students as they like.

Hard to imagine Sussex having its own University.

@MohitKumar-nc6kt

Жыл бұрын

After megan!

If 400 UK students at 500l / head bring in the same revenue as 50 foreign students, that would mean that they _already_ charge overseas students 4000l in tuition.

I think they need to re-run this show!

@theophrastusbombastus1359

Жыл бұрын

They already do on Britbox. It's a subscription service like netflix, but it's got the terrestrial tv stuff from BBC, ITV, etc.

@huntmatuk maybe you should've attended Oxford? :D

British students at a British university... perish the thought 😒

This is exactly what has happened to Australian universities.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

Oz is silly subsidising domestic students. It’s wrong to waste tax payer money that way.

4000 a year? Bargain!

@Akeel_

5 жыл бұрын

4k in 1980 is around 16.5k in 2018 so still much more than standard tuition fees

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

@@Akeel_ that was for overseas students, not domestic. Domestic was free.

Wow 1:10 ratio in university..

And here we go again with so many European students who won't be able to pay the international fees starting 2021...

lol

Oh good heavens... 4,000 pounds a year? They simply won't come to Oxford? Bah and here I pay $40,000 a year. PLEASE--sign me up!

@_JohnDoe

3 жыл бұрын

Did you go to university in 1981?

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

@@_JohnDoe if he did, he wouldn’t have paid if he was British.

@HappyDaze01 remove the background laughs and we have a documentary

@misterjei

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you think the canned laugher was added? Can't have the masses realising that this is how their government is actually run.

@justinleecw

4 жыл бұрын

MisterJei It was actually filmed with a live audience.

Why do I pay 20,000 per year for LSE? Just ridiculous..

@edwardcooke7875

6 жыл бұрын

Mila BuLL The LSE? Oh, I am sorry.

@manhoosnick

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe because you are a foriegner? That means you won't probably be working in the UK amd won't pay taxes for the next generation of students..

@Andy-ko3zt

5 жыл бұрын

@@manhoosnick Because the government doesn't allow foreign university graduates to get a job easily so they don't even have a chance to pay taxes?

I wonder how the real Oxford felt about this. lol

@florinivan6907

2 жыл бұрын

Considering how absolutely nothing changed they probably had a laugh. Being made fun of is irrelevant if you're still in charge and rich at the end of the day. That's the thing about the british system it allows the plebes to have a laugh at the upper class but at the end of the day the upper class is still in charge no questions asked. Quite ingenious actually.

@Tomwithnonumbers not counting inflation - I stabbed in the middle of the show's production period and £4000 comes up to £9200 according to one website ^^

@RD19902010

3 жыл бұрын

it's a lot more I'd guess

£4,000 a year they simply won’t come. God this aged quickly

@johnking5174

3 жыл бұрын

This was 1981 - in 2020 that values around £20,000

@kaptinkeiff

3 жыл бұрын

Ever heard of inflation?

Now I understand why our American universities are overrun with Indians, Pakistanis, Africans, and Chinese. And we taxpayers are picking up the bill😞

@LSERCAlex

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think you do understand - are you talking about US private universities or community colleges? The system is very different in the UK, the point here is that international students are desirable because of the much higher fees whereas they're the same for domestic or international students in Ivy league schools in the US

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

British tax payers didn’t pick up the bill for overseas students. Just British students. That was the point.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

@@jgmediting7770I believe we must not pay for local students as well. They should be charged full fee like Oxford does.

@jgmediting7770

10 ай бұрын

@@LHRTW you can believe that if you want, but it would be terrible from a societal pov. It would also rig the game even more in favour for the minority class.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

@@jgmediting7770 I don’t care why does my tax money go to educate someone else ??? I’m for full fees.

It's £12,000 a year for an overseas student at the University of Manchester, so they are paying 4 times the home fees. As it turns out though, education is one of the biggest drivers of the UK economy, the fears of the professors in this video have not been realised. The UK has more overseas students than most developed nations. May even be the most popular. Though I think the fears will be realised if fees are raised again.

Our niece, 16 years old bless her, dyes her hair silver blonde, with black painted finger nails, and eyes that a hollywood actress would die for, recently applied for an automotive engineering apprenticeship with an American owned, truck manufacturing business in north western England/UK. Competition was fierce, she hadn't a cat in hell's chance of even being short listed - but she was. Not only that - she got the job, and starts in September on £14,000 GBP a year. Her education - she went to a girl's only high school. She turned down college and University - thinking she was not good enough! If she completes her training by 21, she will have been earning a wage for five years. By that time, her school companions who chose university will have finished their studies - thinking where can I get a job - and more frightening - how do I pay back the thousands of pounds owed on my student loan? No wonder this video clip has a certain, resonance. BTW. When she phoned to tell us that she had got the job - we couldn't believe it! Without really thinking about it - I promised to buy her a boiler-suit for Christmas. The phone went dead - my popularity plummeted. I handed the telephone to my wife - she bleated on about me not having meant it. I have been forgiven - but it's going to cost me more than the price of a boiler-suit, no doubt.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

6 жыл бұрын

"dyes her hair silver blonde, with black painted finger nails, and eyes that a hollywood actress would die for" - pray enlighten us as to why you felt it necessary to mention these details? Of what relevance were they, or the suit, to the point you were ostensibly making?

@shamilarifeen380

6 жыл бұрын

Mendicant Bias What he meant to say was that compared to the many uni students boys and girls who are quite qualified but can't find a job and are in debt, his niece who's got the looks but only passed high school, pays little for vocational training, gets paid while being trained and at the end of training gets a job by 21. He meant to highlight the double standards and how unfair it is for studious students compared to his niece.

@stanleyt.7930

4 жыл бұрын

@@shamilarifeen380 She will be a damn sight more useful to society than many graduates with useless degrees

@shamilarifeen380

4 жыл бұрын

@@stanleyt.7930 That's subjective. Maybe yes, for certain unskilled or low-skill jobs but a lot of specialized jobs need a degree for theoretical and practical training and understanding the job itself. Also, there are lots of graduates with useful degrees but in debt and jobless. Useless degrees really weren't the point of this discussion

@hungryhog1

4 жыл бұрын

sounds like the typical SPS student at Cambridge

disagree about the "dead language" sentiment

Interesting how KZread died over 10 years ago. No one uploads anymore.

@leftcoaster67

2 жыл бұрын

BBC doesn't bother with uploading old videos. And Monty Python and Netflix is very protective of it's videos.

I don't think there is that much of a difference, What with exchangerates and this and that.

WIsh could be a journalist.

In Germany all students pay the same fee. If a home student pays zero fee then the international student pays zero fee as well. Simple. And Germany produces some of the finest engineers as the courses last 5-7 years.

@gwantouwong922

Жыл бұрын

Not only the Germany, the rest countries in EU charge international students quite low. Similarly, Universities in mainland China are quite cheap to all students (around 1700 pounds a year) plus interest-free student loans and scholarships simply apply to most students. For the international students, these are almost free and many visible or transparent welfare... Cutting higher education budget is not political correct in China, same in the EU. However, the affluent still desire education from the commonwealth and US.

@pierzing.glint1sh76

Жыл бұрын

@@gwantouwong922 UK education and it's prestige lol

@gwantouwong922

Жыл бұрын

​@@pierzing.glint1sh76 They no longer stand with the people. Pathetic bourgeoisie.

I am all for what you say about engineering plus science - but my father was a chemical engineer and was a leading light in his field -he even has a forward preface in a specialist text book worth £800-£1000 on Amazon but he took Greek and Latin at university level in addition to Mathematical/Chemistry PHD and this served him well because it helped him with learning Greek and the ancient Greek mathematical Symbols and Latin helped him enormously with Chemistry (Latin names Chemical elements)

@ewanfinlayson1448

7 жыл бұрын

I doubt knowing ancient Greek makes little difference in undergoing integration by parts or chemical reactions of aromatic compounds

@squizza28

6 жыл бұрын

I disagree that Latin is a dead language. It may sound snobbish but mastery of Latin makes you a cut above.

@wholeNwon

6 жыл бұрын

"A cut above whom"?

@yonisali3879

6 жыл бұрын

A cut above your former self

Imagine paying £4000 a year for education! Struggles no modern student can relate to...

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

That’s was only overseas students. British students got it for free. But that’s what you get when you keep voting for right wing economic ideals to be implemented from 1980 onwards. .

we thought it was bad then, Heavens preserve us!

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t bad then. It was free for British students.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

@@jgmediting7770many believe that it should be full fee for domestic students as well

@jgmediting7770

10 ай бұрын

@@LHRTW yeah, they’ve either got a vested interest as part of the minority class or aren’t very bright.

@SYMBV If you go to Oxford to get an IT degree, then you deserve what happens to you.

@hungryhog1

4 жыл бұрын

there is no IT degree at Oxford

Yes- What with a PC open to the whole world of education for only a pittance, it makes you realise what a racket these fees all are...not even teaching you to boot !

"May even be." ......What language is that?

Lol The University of Sussex is actually a good university.

@sirmatt9527

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure about that lol

@jakubsedlak2173

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think that's awfully funny...

Foreigners over British. Even then.

Having went to the university of Sussex, I resent that last comment...

@DieFlabbergast

5 жыл бұрын

"Having went..." Yes, we can see that, can't we? ("Having gone" for God's sake!)

@alicemi4155

4 жыл бұрын

What kind of university would accept someone who says “having went”? Were you also a foreign student?

How the hell is this still relevant in 2019??

@qichen85

3 жыл бұрын

It was relevant 200 years ago and it was relevant 40 years ago. It is relevant now and it will continue to be relevant for foreseeable future.

@lukemarshall1701

2 жыл бұрын

I know someone whose daughter did a postgraduate course at a British university. She was the ONLY British student on the course.

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

Because people keep voting right wing economic ideals into power.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

@@lukemarshall1701good thing everyone should pay full fee. I don’t want tax money to be wasted on other persons education

King's College rules? Do you actually go there?

Yup this is what made Britain great. Handing out taxpayer money on cheap education for other countries

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

I’d hazard a guess you didn’t go to university.

@LHRTW

10 ай бұрын

@@jgmediting7770 agree illiterates or low class peeps commenting here

Why the fuck are the BBC advertising bullshit, i pay the licence fee specifically so they do not advertise bullshit.

@gentblue

5 жыл бұрын

This is BBC worldwide. It is a different company.

@liberty8453

4 жыл бұрын

This is one of the few decent shows to come out of the BBC too. It’s actually less political than contemporary comedy shows from the Belligerent Brain-washing Cesspit.

Its cute that everyone think its not acceptable for university to prioritise foreign students over domestic students, but fail to realise the root of the problem. It is unacceptable for universities to prioritise profits and money above education, which is to say, the root problem is capitalism.

@martinguerra5152

8 ай бұрын

wich is why Cuba is so enviable

@the1onlynoob

8 ай бұрын

@@martinguerra5152 Indeed, tiny country being totally blockaded by America for more than half a century to prevent inflow of knowledge. Yet Cuba managed to build a not for profit education system. Which later raised nurses and scientists to develop its own medical industry that it could produce vaccines as fast as China, Russia or America, and has made medicare readily available that its life expectancy of the people in Cuba surpassed America while being a fraction of its wealth.

@martinguerra5152

8 ай бұрын

@@the1onlynoob jajajaj thats why americans swin and sail on rafts to cuba instead of the other way around you're adorable

@the1onlynoob

8 ай бұрын

@@martinguerra5152 of course. Americans wouldn't blockade Cuba it wasn't effective in screwing over a country for decades.

So basically, this happens every time the Conservatives get in.

@dominikwrona159

8 жыл бұрын

+Derek Smallshorts It should be the other way around.

@welshsonic6879

5 жыл бұрын

The cost goes up in every new government. Some governments just borrow more to cover the rise. The only proper solutions are too far right or too far left to ever be implemented, sadly.

@jgmediting7770

2 жыл бұрын

Every time the right wing get in. Which has been every time since 1979.

Anyone who believes Bernie's plan to finance higher education with a tax on stock transactions should pay close attention to this clip;)

@frederickasa98

8 жыл бұрын

+SpectatorAlius ?

@dominikwrona159

8 жыл бұрын

+Frederick Subere-Albawy The universities don't care about home students, and making it cheaper for them will still make foreign students a better deal.

@rhyfelaherwfilwrol6732

6 жыл бұрын

SpectatorAlius: The clip is from a sitcom, not a documentary.

@aritragupta4182

6 жыл бұрын

rhyfela herwfilwrol Freakishly close to a documentary according to many politicians and civil servants

@rhyfelaherwfilwrol6732

6 жыл бұрын

Aritra Gupta: There is always an element of "truth" in comedy, otherwise it wouldn't be funny. But it is farcical to suggest that a sitcom is in anyway factual, can you give me one example of a British politician or civil servant saying that Yes Minister is "Freakishly close to a documentary"?

In other words they'd rather teach a dead language of Latin, than deal with engineering and science.

@artofthepossible7329

5 жыл бұрын

Latin sounds important. Engineering and proper science involves having to do something and you know as well as I do how much the Civil Service and their friends like doing things.

@MarcoBonechi

4 жыл бұрын

Once you learn Latin, engineering and science ar easy

@darthkek1953

4 жыл бұрын

If you don't know the correlation between Latin and scientific names then perhaps it's for the better you went to the University of Sussex.

@leftcoaster67

4 жыл бұрын

@@darthkek1953 One thing to know Latin for Medical, and Scientific studies. It's quite the other to specialize in it. You might have missed the Yes Prime Minister episode when they talk about Education. It sums it up nicely.