A 70+ year old loco still pulling 46 coal cars with no trouble whatsoever-wow.

@196Stefan2

5 жыл бұрын

They are empty: 46 wagons make roughly 500 tons. Not a big deal for a 52 (respectively class 33)!

@matthiash.8745

4 жыл бұрын

Take a look at this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqt2sKWEgpi_l5c.html This is a festival in Germany, that takes place every year, where for one week all regular freight trains are driven only by steam-locos. Here you can see what power they still have!!

@martinsims1273

Жыл бұрын

And look how well it's being fired (properly), with no excess coal in the box, no un-necessary "special effects" of thick black smoke billowing out, just for photographic effects, wasting (unburnt)fuel and causing un-necessary pollution. Thats the real, correct way to fire a steam locomotive. With a bright, cherry red fire (except when the blast pulls it into a white heat), and just enough coal on the fire to burn properly, with no holes in firebed to let any cold air through.

I live very close to this railway track :) The town of Lukavac in Bosnia is an industrial and mining center, These steam machines are owned by mines and those machines are used only for short transport connections . In the last few years there are no steam engines here, they only work on electro-diesel machines. Those people who steal coal with a train, it's a local poor man who sells a coal for food. Best regards :)

@EvenFurtherRail

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Steam engines still shunt inside the mine, but no longer deliver coal to the station at Lukavac. 33-064 was there in April.

@eggballo4490

2 жыл бұрын

Were the engines preserved?

@MasinskiKutak

2 жыл бұрын

@@eggballo4490 If you ask me, I have almost seen this steam engine again, it is still functional, it is very rarely used, I will try to "catch" it this summer and shoot it. As I stated in a comment from 4 years ago, I live very close, I see a rails from the window. The steam engine is still working but very very rarely, there are no more poor coal collectors, they have been banned from this "job".

@Dayzew

26 күн бұрын

⁠@@MasinskiKutakare the engines still there ? :)

@MasinskiKutak

26 күн бұрын

@@Dayzew Just today I heard the "scream" of a steam engine, I did not see it, unfortunately approaching the mine and filming the steam engine is not allowed. It seems that they are used around the mine only for manipulation, and coal removal is done by electro-diesel machines. If you ask about the machines, they are still there, I don't know how many there are, I guess one or two. 🚂 🚂

i never forget.... in 1995 i was an UN soldier, our platoon slept in the old coal factory and the steam trains passed by every day. the black crows in the trees and the sometimes black snow made the whole situation in the war very depressing. children were asking me for candies and pencils. I never forget these children calling me :" soldier gimme pencil"... I will visit that town again one day.

@EvenFurtherRail

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. Great story. It's now an interesting town with good local food and wine.

Yes this was seen in some poor areas of the US during the 1930's . While the people did not actually get on the cars and steal the coal, the firemen would shovel coal out of the tender along the rail line. It was not a common practice as unlike Europe, we still had lots of forests where they could gather fire wood. Interesting video of the steamer.

@Isochest

9 жыл бұрын

I can still scavenge firewood (20-40kg a time) and I live in densely populated Greater Manchester. Bosnia Herzegovnia is probably a far easier place than mine to pick up a log or two:-)

@johnrichards6352

7 жыл бұрын

In South Wales in the '30s, firemen did the same thing. Variations included an ex girlfriend's gran, who as a teenager lived on a farm backing on to the Taff Vale line, who, with her sister, would go outside when the locos were passing and 'show a bit of leg'; they'd get a few lumps thrown into the farmyard in return! In Birmingham, at a house backing onto the railway near Snow Hill station where goods train were often held at a signal, a woman had a chamber pot (we called these guzunders, because they goes under your bed) hanging from her washing post, filled with flowers (which were an improvement on the intended contents). This of course was irresistible to any fireman worth his salt, who would try to hit it with lumps of coal. She never went cold in the winter... In the UK at least, steam loco coal was usually of a much better quality than household, especially the grades that poorer people could afford.

@rhysdavies4615

6 жыл бұрын

I remember one anecdote from South Wales about an old widow whose son was an engine driver - he always remembered to drop her off a bit of coal whenever the train went past her house. On one particular day, as the train approached, he instructed the fireman to get a good-sized lump and drop it off for his old mum to break up. The lad duly did as asked and rolled a small boulder off the footplate as the train passed, only to see it bounce down the garden path and slam into the back door with so much force that it took the door off its hinges!

An old timer from Scranton, PA, told me when he was a kid in the 30s the coal trains went by real slowly as they pulled the heavy grades on the DL&W. They were able to climb into the coal cars, get a couple buckets of coal, and bring it home for the cooking stove.

@HMSHOOD1920

4 жыл бұрын

g bridgman thieves.

@martinsims1273

Жыл бұрын

In the Gorbels (part of Glasgow inScotland) many, many years ago, the licals used to grease the rails on the bank (incline), so the loco couldnt grip, and would come to a stand with wheels spinning, then they would climb up on the stationary wagons and thriw liads of coal off, stealing it before the police could arrive.

Is it wrong to be addicted to hearing these sounds even though never having before seen even a museum exhibit of this? Because I like these sounds.

@user-we3no5pw9n

6 жыл бұрын

Byron Mak me too!!!! I've watching hours of beautiful steam locomotives today on KZread. I'm so addicted I want to send a letter to our railroad company to make an excursion or something

@qwertyuqwertyu7481

Жыл бұрын

No, not is wrong ... coal is very good for Bosnia economy

my grandfather and a friend would grease the track on a grade , the engine would have some traction trouble, and it would give them time to climb aboard . then they would sit down and kick with there feet kicking the coal off the hopper. this was during the great depression in eastern Kentucky.

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+lee penlack Thanks for your interesting story.

@vikingsoftpaw

8 жыл бұрын

+lee penlack I've heard that story many times from depression are people.

@danielthecube3537

8 жыл бұрын

+lee penlack different story here gypsies have always been in a state of depression across the whole Europe You could point a gypsy from a distance if you were european

@nekocekoBiHMK

6 жыл бұрын

+Daniel TheCube You are a racist moron. And these people are not even gypsies. They're white Bosnians.

@miralemdjedovic6330

6 жыл бұрын

lee penlack malik

A very atmospheric and comprehensive video clip about this unique place. Thank you for sharing.

Maintenance on the engines in this 2012 video was very good, no mechanical noise at all from the rods, and the locomotives burn very clean.

Love the kriegslok! Reminds me of our #909 for Hull, Chelsea, Wakefield Railway Company here in Ottawa/Gatineau. The #909 and her train are all of Swedish design (but I find that both engines have physical similarities. The Wakefield Steam Train, as it's known locally, is a tourist train taking travelers from the city of Gatineau past the village of Chelsea to the town of Wakefield, north in the Gatineau hills. Loved it when I was younger. Sadly and unfortunately, the train no longer runs due to washouts on the track. The train has been silent for almost 6 years now, and the town of Chelsea want the rails in its zone to be torn up and replaced with a trail! I've been looking around for another locomotive to help get the train restarted. But in the meantime, scenes like this bring a smile to my face every time. So, thank you very much. And great video recording! Apologies for the long message.

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks. It wouldn't surprise me if the Kriegsloks will be available for sale soon as they are no longer allowed to operate outside the mine. There are class 62's currently available. It is also interesting to know that in a parallel universe that Chelsea (richest borough in UK) is near Hull (one of our poorest cities), but here are both hundreds of miles and worlds apart.

@alexanderpoirier3350

8 жыл бұрын

Many thanks for the quick reply! Might I ask why they are no longer allowed to operate outside the mine? I'm guessing electric and diesel engines have invaded finally? Also, and pardon the multitude of questions, but how much would it cost to purchase either a 62 or 52 class? As well as who would I be able to contact with regards for more information about possibly securing a engine? And I suppose that the fate of these engines is that they will be scrapped? And I hadn't known that info about your cities. Quite the opposites, if you will. Same names, but totally different environments in many aspects. Again, many thanks for your assistance!

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

BHZ (Bosnian Rail) decided that they were not and could not be fitted with the required safety equipment for running on their rails. So they can now only operate on Kreka Mine company rails. They even have to be transported to and from the depot by diesel. Website and contact for Kreka Mines :- www.kreka.ba/kontakt.html The cost - don't know. And not sure if the 62's are still serviceable. They have not been used for some time.

@alexanderpoirier3350

8 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information. Truly and greatly appreciated it is. I have sent them a message, and hopefully they get back to me. Once again, many thanks on your part. Your time, patience, and wisdom are truly appreciated! :)

In the 30's floks grabbed handfuls of dry corn and oats that spilled from the grain cars to feed their kids, here in America. Frightening thing it may happen all over again.

Nice solid track! Like going back in time 150 years. Cool video.

@Drkush2022

6 жыл бұрын

scdevon I agree, Vary beautifully too!

Very interesting video. Amazing, that the Kriegsloks, that were built only for temporary use, are STILL working there. The coal stealing is absolutely surprising to me. I didn't knew that this is still done in the Europe of 2014. Well, at least it was obviously done, when this video was made. Coal stealing was done in the same manner in Germany short after the war when the people were starving and freezing. But that it is still done nowadays in some parts of Europe..... Amazing film. Thumbs up! :) Greetings Mega

@MIGASHOORAY

6 жыл бұрын

They just want free ,thats why they want everything free in UK .

@SynchroScore

6 жыл бұрын

People steal coal in the UK?

@theunderrated86

5 жыл бұрын

Sylderon I think whitey means benefits and money from the British Government.

@hedgehog3180

4 жыл бұрын

They build to be reliable and simple and that's the kinda stuff that keeps machines running even 80 years after they were built. Infact these trains were so good that even after the war European railways were ordering them.

@qwertyuqwertyu7481

Жыл бұрын

''Europe'' LOL

It’s good to see a locomotive in good use. I mean in north America, railroads use multiple units to pull a short train. There is something about full potential and hard, physical work that just makes me tingle inside. That one steam engine pulling all those cars? Unheard of over here

Excellent video !!! James/FFV.

@EvenFurtherRail

3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

great job and thanks for sharing!

Wonderful, thanks for sharing.

keep posting, excellent video, thanks

Decapod looks like a German design. And you can bet your sweet ass people did this during our recession back in the 1930's. Always go down to the railroad yard and pick up the lumps...free heating!

Nice video thanks for posting .

This was a really really good video I loved it.I will check put and see if you have more like this?

@EvenFurtherRail

10 жыл бұрын

Thanks. There are seven others in the Bosnia playlist.

This is fantastic

The comments are flooded with "coal theft" comments, but can I just interject and remind everyone that EMD Revs and Decapod Thunder go together just as good in Bosnia as they do in Lancaster. The only thing Lancaster has to add is the ACS-64, but European designed locomotives these days are trash. It's nice to see the good stuff earning their keep.

@StaxRail

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree that Euro locos are 'trash', got plenty of very impressive locos here

Nice my friend ! Thanks for sharing

Traditional local custom. A bit like Easter Eggs.

My Father told a story of waiting by the tracks during the depression and most times as a train passed the fireman would toss a shovel full of coal out the door of the locomotive to the kids to take home in New Jersey.

If the "rustling" is tolerated, why don't they just give bags away to the locals and de-risk the process?

Counted 37 full cars. How much does each one weight full ?

You can still find coal in old ballast and on embankments by UK railways although it was far more abundant in the 1970s

@gravelydon7072

6 жыл бұрын

You can still find it on our farm in Ohio. The PRR had a derailment and left some of it behind. That track has been gone since the late 70s.

Hello, do you know where and when the steam loco´s (series 33) are driving ? Because i want to go on a Phototour in Bosnia, but i haven´t found any constructive information about the steam trains there .... It would be very helpful for me when i would get a reply from you :-) kind regards

@EvenFurtherRail

7 жыл бұрын

The Class 33 no longer perform transfer trips to the ZFBH stations (Sikulje - Lukavac, Dubrave - Ljubace). They now only shunt inside the mine at Sikulje and Dubrave. They do this on a daily basis. The latest report from Bosnia about the steam situation came be found here:- www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/balkans02.htm

@stefans353

7 жыл бұрын

So that means, they drive not regular.... Is it possible to organise the steam loco´s or to spot them shunting? Thank you for your reply ! kind regards

Well, I guess it is better to have those guys steal a bit of coal for cooking then to have them pull up the wooden railway ties and use those for cooking instead, correct? Much less damage done that way. You do know that if the railway wanted to stop the theft of coal, all they would need to do is add heavy steel covers to the tops of those rail cars, like the way they do in some trains in the U.S.?

@vikingsoftpaw

8 жыл бұрын

+Honesty Counts Those covered cars are grain carriers.

Hermoso vídeo, me ha emocionado como las personas tiran carbón para los más pobres, no sé si son trabajadores del tren o gatos ( en mi país le dicen gatos a los ladrones de los camiones o trenes de carga en movimiento) sea como sea hay para todos , gracias. Nota: en mi país hace muchos años se hacia lo mismo ,los ferroviarios tiraban carbón a las orillas de las vías para que los pobres se calentaran y cocinaran .

As someone from the states, it's very strange to see so many people so casually stealing right off of the train cars. I know these people probably do it to survive, I hold nothing against them, just an interesting observation of a difference in culture. Hope those people find good times.

IF THE ECONOMY OF BOSNIA IS SO BAD, simply convert those steam trains into a combination of tourist train and coal train: Simply connect a one or two old passenger cars between the coal cars and the steam engine and have tourists pay $20 for a trip on that train. That way you get money for hauling coal AND money for hauling foreign tourists who want to ride on a genuine steam train. You could easily get a few hundred tourists each day paying for the experience of riding on a real live working steam train. Probably make more money on that tourism revenue than you would hauling that coal.

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+Honesty Counts And where are these tourists going to come from? Local Bosniaks aren't interested and don't have $20 to spare. International tourists are only going to come if action can be guaranteed and at a particular time. A shunt can happen at any time and there can be days where nothing happens at all. A few tour operators have run occasional steam charters for up to 30 people, but if you just want to ride behind a steam train there are plenty of preserved steam railways at home to visit.

Does the wagons contains any coal when it reaches it's destination?

@francais70

7 жыл бұрын

I wondered that same question... I think not a lot !

@Drkush2022

6 жыл бұрын

Why the fuck are those people on the load of coal? Why is this allowed???

@Hendo56

6 жыл бұрын

It's not!

@Drkush2022

6 жыл бұрын

Then why are they doing it?

@Hendo56

6 жыл бұрын

To get fuel for their homes. During the depression this happened on US railroads. People would kick coal off the trains and their cohorts would wait trackside to pick it up. Some who didn't want to break the law would wait at sharp curves to get the coal that would get thrown off.

To su one nase legendarne iz Slavonskog Broda.

Oi EVEN parabéns pelos vidios.aqui no Brasil a coisa é diferente os políticos corruptos acabaram com as nossas ferrovia da vontade de chorar e muito triste obrigada Jânio Luiz. Botucatu SP Brasil

has there been any plans on preserving the steam engine

@EvenFurtherRail

7 жыл бұрын

They are still in daily use. The last working steam locomotives in Europe.

@RailPreserver2K

6 жыл бұрын

Even Further Rail that's incredible but what I'm hoping is that the railroad or company that owns the engine plans on preserving it if and when it is retired

They weren't coal rustling, they were just clearing the permanent way of coal debris from poorly loaded wagons.

Interesting and sad too.

Where do I sign up for a job? PLS

I was expecting Borat to come in screen

It's interesting why a steam driver didn't stop a train

emperor of the north pole bosnia style

@EvenFurtherRail

10 жыл бұрын

Not sure if I know what you mean!

@raymondleggs5508

10 жыл бұрын

Emperor of the north pole is a famous classic movie about hobos and trains. this is similar to some of the scenes in the movie!

@EvenFurtherRail

10 жыл бұрын

Raymond Leggs Thanks for clearing that up as I didn't see any igloos in the area.

@EvenFurtherRail

10 жыл бұрын

***** Raymond Leggs I'm going to have to watch this film to find out what all this is about!!

@b3j8

9 жыл бұрын

Raymond Leggs Fireman on freight #19: "That Shack's gonna be a mean son of a bitch now!" Engineer: "What was he before?" Couple of the best lines from the movie!

The irony appears to be that the locomotives are oil fired, not coal.

@EvenFurtherRail

10 жыл бұрын

They are coal fired. The tender has got 10 Tonnes of lignite (brown coal) to keep it going.

Bosnia still runs steam, correct?

@EvenFurtherRail

6 жыл бұрын

Only within the confines of three coal mines for shunting. Steam is no longer allowed on to the mine line, so they no longer the leave the mine as they did in this video.

Больше всего понравилось как уголь варуют из полувагонов!

Does someone know if these steamengines are still in service?

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+PublicTransportationBelgium Yes. But on borrowed time. BHZ have restricted the movement of steam locos on the main line. Only used for shunting now. See The Farrail Blog for latest news:- www.farrail-blog.com/germanposts/dampf-in-bosnien-abgesang/

@PTB_BE

8 жыл бұрын

+Even Further Rail Could you tell me for which company the engines work and do they have a medium to contact them?

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+PublicTransportationBelgium Company - Rudnici KREKA u Tuzli, www.kreka.ba Contact details on website.

looks good to me.

I'm prob wrong, but the diesel seen at 3:52 sounds kinda like a Fairbanks Morse! That'd be something..an FM still at work in Bosnia!

@SPAPanthrwpos

9 жыл бұрын

Its an EMD G16 (Former JZ series 661)

@b3j8

9 жыл бұрын

Chris Triantafyllopoulos Ah ok, I figured that was a long shot. Just didn't sound like an EMD, to me anyway. Thanks.

@howdafkshdino8902

9 жыл бұрын

Chris Triantafyllopoulos EMD 16 645 was a common engine used extensively on R&R`s and the marine industry as well.We had four of them on the M\V`s sun and moon tides of Tidewater marine.Well designed and easy to overhaul.Engineers forever!The camera movement from the train going by was great.Swell video

@peteacher52

9 жыл бұрын

b3j8 It's a General Motors DA class loco, 1200 - 1430hp diesel, the class that saved New Zealand Rail from going arse-over. Look out for them in some of NZ's historic clips - Google NZrail DA class locomotive and select the Wikipedia article I used to live beside the Main Trunk line, and well remember the sight and sound of these then mighty, but now smallish diesel-electrics!.

@EvenFurtherRail

9 жыл бұрын

Colin Gantiglew This is a EMD G16 (JZ 661). The EMD G12 was never used in the former Yugoslavia.

What the hell am I seeing?!

Good picture, but not last steam in Europa. See Brienzerrothorn(CH) or Schafberg (A).

@EvenFurtherRail

9 жыл бұрын

They are tourist railways. Bosnia is the last place in Europe where there are steam locomotives doing a real industrial job.

they know for recording

ty2 pl.pkp?

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+rudybolekk Yes. A PKP Ty2 is a BR-52 Kriegslok.

Wait, so they are stealing that coal? I mean i know it looks obvious but that's so blatant.

Why are they tossing coal out onto the tracks?

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

It's in the title of the video "Coal Rustling ......", i.e., stealing, thieving, robbing, nicking, purloining, pilfering, looting.

@360Nomad

7 жыл бұрын

Even Further Rail Yeah, but there's a guard at 2:21 just a few cars away. All he has to do is look behind him for a few seconds and they're busted.

@EvenFurtherRail

7 жыл бұрын

He is one of the rustlers, not a guard. There are guards at the coal mine, but a blind eye was turned once the train left the mine and between the exchange sidings. The rustling doesn't happen any more as the exchange of wagons happens inside the mine compound. Steam is now only used for shunting within the mine.

china sill uses steam trains so cool

@ezbrony9050

10 жыл бұрын

yeah but its so bad over there people die every day because of it

@RailPreserver2K

6 жыл бұрын

Stormtrooper1488 pls don't be a troll, you'll be despised

i SUPPOSE IF THESE PEOPLE ARE DESPERATELY SKINT IT'S ok. lOOKS LIKE A LOT OF DANGEROUS EFFORT FOR A BIT OF HEATING FUEL

what was that steal the coal? effect collapsed economy

2-10-0 running in reverse is dangerous

@johnrichards6352

8 жыл бұрын

+Aljaz Skarlovnik Why? Steam locos in the UK were permitted to run at up to 40mph tender first, and this engine's bogie tender would probably cause no problems at 60 or more. As long as the crew can observe signals, running tender first is no more of a problem than a tank loco running bunker first, for which it is designed.

@engineerskalinera

8 жыл бұрын

John Richards well, as far as I know, engines with no rear trailing wheels (like this 2-10-0) werent permitted over 20mph in the States. i would assume engines WITH trailing wheels could go faster in reverse with ease.

@LupusAries

8 жыл бұрын

+Aljaz Skarlovnik It is not dangerous, that loco is a german Br 52, and we have been running them tender first with no problems for over 70 years now. Same with other 1'E types like the Br 50 and the Br 44. And the Br 52 like the Br 50 is cleared for 80 km/h or 49.71 mph smokebox forward or tender forward. How fast a loco is allowe to drive depends on the loco itself, and the tender, the Br 44 for example is cleared for 80 km/h smokebox first and 50 km/h tender first. Though the Br 44 tender is bigger and heavier. In it's final years and before Br 52s and Br 50s, on which the Br 52 is based, often ran on branchlines, where often no turntables would be found. The Br 52 has an axle load of below 15 metric tons. Pretty amazing how well they have held up, given that they were designed to last only the war.....;)

@engineerskalinera

8 жыл бұрын

LupusAries german engineering > all

@LupusAries

8 жыл бұрын

Aljaz Skarlovnik :D not quite, when it comes to the steam locomotives of the 30's the Brits have us beat.;) Most of them are way better steamers, they generate steam a lot better, while we had a problem with Wagners Langkessel.

Poor people.

So rear

these are poor people that needs coal for there fireplace

I notice women are involved. Economic conditions are clearly not good in Bosnia

These people are thieves. They are stealing coal. I'll bet they also steal the axle bushings on any cars left sitting.

@EvenFurtherRail

8 жыл бұрын

+carlhalvorson They wouldn't know what those were.They are just a small group of poor people who are refugees in their own country. They were displaced during the Bosnian civil war who still believe it is unsafe to live in the Serb dominated areas of Bosnia.

@AlcoLoco251

8 жыл бұрын

+carlhalvorson That is the effects of Socialism. Remember that this is in former Yugoslavia.

@johnrichards6352

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam Dickenson Actually, it's the effects of current capitalism, not historic socialism, as well as the aftermath of the war. In the South Wales valleys of the UK during the 1980s , even before the coal strike, trains of coal in hopper wagons would have the hoppers opened while stopped or moving slowly, so that the coal decanted onto the track could be stolen by local people. This is in a first world country not too long ago...

Какие прекрасные уроки воровства_)))