Clove's Immortality Lore Story
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How did Clove become an immortal being? Were they born that way? Gained the power? When was it first used? In this video I explore some questions and go over some common themes amongst the community surrounding Clove Lore. Don't forget to like and subscribe!
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@AGuyInVR20
2 ай бұрын
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@whenyouaresenttocourtbutcat
Ай бұрын
springtrap and every other animatronic from fnaf in a nutshell clove solos💀💀💀
i think astra is just concerned that in the far future clove would essentially be all alone (with their alpha/omega counterpart)
@bl4ckp00lz3
2 ай бұрын
thats what i thought, clove will outlive everyone lore wise
@user-nb9lp8gp9r
2 ай бұрын
Clove still ages
@JOSHUASUBASCO
2 ай бұрын
@@user-nb9lp8gp9r True, but remember she can't die and she'll still come back. She'll just teleported back up in her own dimension everytime she perished
@kinyacat5919
2 ай бұрын
I thought they can decide to be dead or not. Also what about Omen?
@JOSHUASUBASCO
2 ай бұрын
@@kinyacat5919 Dead but cannot pass through the afterlife, she can still use her body forever. She's still alone in her own death dimension. Omen can still age, he just has a suit on cuz he got burned from acid
the reason they become immortal is they aim train and grind rank everyday
@MKGames_YT
23 күн бұрын
she*
@MrFern5
18 күн бұрын
@@MKGames_YTsad
@truehdvision9147
6 күн бұрын
yeah but not radiant tho they are probably still not good enough with only those training
@afantashoon6969
5 күн бұрын
@@MKGames_YTah yes probably do some research before you correct someone
@hankookofthewest
Күн бұрын
she*
Underrated content creator Ya and the idea of time limited agents would be so bad imagine having your main gone for a whole episode that would suck
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
Appreciate the kind words! & lol definitely agree, but if they keep adding more and more agents we might see some sort of change
@alexmoment3
2 ай бұрын
@@Nibble. i think first, once the numbers get up there (using rainbow six as a comparison) which could be a while away, they might introduce agent bans on a per-game basis
@darinmendez105
2 ай бұрын
@@alexmoment3 this would make sense, they have the same thing in league too
i dont think the astra line on clove was talking about how she could be evil, they were talking about how clove may view their ability as a curse if they feel like their life has run its course (ie immortality as a curse) i think the only indication that clove considered malpractice was the line to themself
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
That's a pretty good take on it!
astra probably worried about clove having to live forever, for now being immortal is fine, but what about when clove is old. when clove is ready to die, she still cant die. Its one of the main problems with immortality
@circumferett
2 ай бұрын
they*, but yeah it is one of the main problems with it. My theory is that since Clove can choose to revive themselves, so that if they are ready to die, they can just choose to not revive themself.
@ildna
2 ай бұрын
@@circumferettthere really is no need to correct; people will be mad either way if someone uses "she" or "they". it's best to just leave it be and let the person just use what they want. you know what they mean anyway
@rainy3374
2 ай бұрын
@@ildnacorrecting someone is a good thing tho
@egorzahryapin3366
2 ай бұрын
@@rainy3374when it's asked
@circumferett
2 ай бұрын
@@egorzahryapin3366 if you're gonna ask someone to correct you... why not just do it yourself?
i have a theory where clove found out about being immortal beacuse they attempted suicide because of a trauma when they were younger. i think this because it would fit with the sad clove that they find in the dimension where they go when they die. the police tapes are probably because the trauma was their parents being assassinated. while writing this it makes me think of how maybe they found out not becaus of a suicide attempt but perhaps because of the burglar trying to kill them too. but hey thats just a theory A GAME THEORY (i miss matpat)
@makkypakky
2 ай бұрын
That actually makes a lot of sense as well. So many good theories! If only we had a person who specialises in theories to help us analyse it. Hm…
@mo-s-
2 ай бұрын
I think the suicide one would make sense, because trans/nb people are way more likely to do that. However I don't think that's canon because it'd be kinda tasteless yk
@Jesus.christ.your.bro.
Ай бұрын
@@mo-s-I feel like using being trans as the major part of her lore just makes her feel like 2d representation
Immortality on its own kinda sucks if you're captured, because you can just get tortured forever in worst ways possible, and still not die.
@Vierico-hk6kr
2 ай бұрын
well, you could stay in your pocket dimension
@mo-s-
2 ай бұрын
but you'll outlive your torturers anyway
@northernalpine4350
19 күн бұрын
Fortunately, Clove has a way around this, as everytime she "Dies" she turns into a ghost and could escape
The idea of agent rotations is interesting but sounds very unlikely considering most of the agents cost money and paying money for an agent you couldn't even use would kind of suck
After Sir Jeppy stopped uploading valorant lore videos I have been very lost on the lore aspect of the game because I didnt have the time to research into this kinda stuff even though I liked this part of the game alot. I would really like to watch more videos like this from you♥
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
I'll keep uploading more :)
I think the "We could've ruled this world together" as a serious-toned idiom Assuming Astra was right on what everyone in the comment section are saying (Immortality = Ultimate Loneliness), Clove may have meant that they could've been with each other forever (assuming friends by default, cant know everything)
Agent rotation will never be a thing. The community already hates map rotations, and it would easily be the most uncompetitive change Riot could make. You don't just rotate out chess pieces in chess, so why would they do it in Valorant?
@frqstbite1001
3 сағат бұрын
because some agents have utilities that can fill the same competitive niches. no two chess pieces can substitute each other. its not really comparable
clove wont leave because omen did and he can still be played
@arjunbaweja7755
2 ай бұрын
First, I do agree. Second, omen left but is still in the protocol. He didn't leave it officially.
@roezir
2 ай бұрын
@@arjunbaweja7755 clove wouldnt leave officially if she betrayed, thats bad betrayal etiquette
@mo-s-
2 ай бұрын
@@roezir"I have betrayed you and given all your secrets to alpha/omega! Also, here's my two weeks notice ^^"
love ur videos, keep it up!
@Nibble.
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much! :)
initially i was under the impression that clove's release would be the beginning of agent rotations. clove's util is designed to fill the "duelisty controller" niche that omen has been occupying for a while now. i thought that the arrival of clove would see the departure of omen for lore purposes.
“Well, it all started when I was born” -No sh1t Sherlock 💀
I think people overlook this but clove still ages as show in the trailer where it shows a younger clove which means eventually clove will just be barely able to function /move and will have to watch the world fall apart around her
Lore crafting!!!!!!! yessssssssss I love this.
Earned a sub
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
Thanks buddy! :)
I think she became immortal is cause she deranked from radiant not to hard when you think about it some people really dont understand what their seeing
if you kinda look at clove's backstory scene in the video, i think its actually chamber holding a sniper, u can see the hair and the glasses
I feel like the first theory seems to be more in line with what we know, it's heavily implied that she's a radiant and her age seems to line up with other valorant agents from the first light event. I find it interesting that clove seems to have a more unique form of a separate plane of existence, with Astra's voiceline we know that Iso and Yoru's form of plane's aren't weird to her or at the very least, not worth pointing out and we know that Clove struggles to return back to the living when she is caught between this plane of life and death, which is possibly what the gold butterfly is for in the cinematic, to prevent herself from simply just sitting in that plane.
To me Butterfly made sense since the beginning bcs of butterfly effect being a thing saying that things chnge if u go back in time, and maybe she can restore her body by going back in time, resulting on imortallity
Like everyone else is saying, I don't think agent rotations will ever happen. Just like Omen recently I think we will have agents leave or even become evil, but they'll always be playable. I mean, Chamber is literally a mass murderer and I don't think that will stay secret forever
damn we need an arcane for valorant
She probably did get immortality from the first light but a rare version of it
I'm pretty sure what Astra was getting at is that the ability itself is currently a blessing but if they are truly immortal it will become more like a curse in the future as Clove will outlive everyone they know, not that they are secretly evil and going to turn against the protocol
i think when the two chambers shot the reactor at frature, which you can see from the tear of the frozen clove. she got the radiantie into her and she got the power but her parents died cause they were sciencist?
the tear drop also shows chamber aiming down his ult so that might meen that he killed her or her family
0:37 where is that omen playercard on the right from? it looks sick
I think you misunderstood the we could've ruled this world together line as I think this is clove just being a nerd rather than evil
what does that mean for sage she is able to revive people
@gxalcremieshiny4229
2 ай бұрын
and phoenix also comes back from the dead (in the cinematics he doesn't need to set a respawn point)
@zimmu9074
2 ай бұрын
@@gxalcremieshiny4229 kind of wrong, he does seem to need to activate the ability as in two cinematics he's shown to tp back to where he activated his ultimate, and while Sage can bring people back from the dead, its heavily implied that she's drawing from some external life force in order to be doing this, and there might be limits as to who she can bring back given her supposed failure with reyna's little sister, forcing viper to take over the experiment
1:20 someone notice the colours of the notification bar and the part under the video becoming green and pink?!
Metamorphosis Butterflies 🤯 And in the song the lyrics allude to clove and dead clove to be different people, alongside them not knowing each other as with the line. My theory is that clove gets her power from radivore butterflies because they ARE the immortality essence as confirmed by the butterflies making up the Q ability.
what if astra is afraid because clove doesn't actually go to the astral plane to die and is absorbing life forces of other people since a butterfly as you said is a soul of a person, this is actually tied to their c ability.
I assumed astra was concerned for clove because what if one day they wish to just pass on, immortality is a curse because you can never see you dead loved ones again
I mean omen left the valorant protocol and hes not removed from the agent pool yet
clove turns evil and gets a rework
I think clove one time died and something happend that killed someother agents. So clove turned back time and created an alternative universe where all if them survived except agent 8
every time bro said they it confused me so much then i remembered
I mean clove could go evil in lore and still be played, look at siege currently with demios
Riot removed Gangplank temporarily before releasing his rework, and the lore implication was that MF thought she had killed him in a fight
Fun Fact: Clove only harnessed the power of being immortal using the replay system!
I Don't Think Clove Or Even Both Cloves Together Could Take Over The World Considering The Fact That They Can Still Be Detained.
@terrorsDomain
2 ай бұрын
Not The Effect Obviously
on a extremely wild whim do you think clove's past is tied to chamber and his mirror self destroying the radianite reactor on fracture
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
not a wild whim at all (might go deeper than this too)
Hold up actually, not having character skins might be a blessing in disguise since you cant spend money on skins for them they can rotate them to make the game feel fresh where as other games like apex and r6 have an ever growing roster eventually it will get dry but valorant one season could have a new character that works well with sage for example too well maybe so next season they take sage out and put a character that doesnt work well with them in to keep the meta fresh
what if clove turns evil riot makes an event where you have to take back control of the earth or smthn
@SkyInterstellar111
2 ай бұрын
This is riot we are talking about blud
@egorzahryapin3366
2 ай бұрын
why would they be? they are in good terms with Valorant agents, I don't think they r gonna betray them all, they don't seem to be nonchalant of their comrades
She grinded rank
Phoenix is also immortal isn't he? That's why he is called ''Phoenix'' in the first place.
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
He can only make a clone of himself which can die, but if his real body is killed then he'll remain dead so he's not really an immortal in that sense
@jennelemmens1111
2 ай бұрын
@@Nibble. everyone is immortal cus sage exists
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
@@jennelemmens1111 Good point lol
@jesiel99013
2 ай бұрын
@@Nibble. i think it's like that just in the game to make things fair, in the lore i think he can't really die since he is always "ulted"
Grinding comp of course that’s how clove got to immortal
Maybe it was chamber who assasinated her parents?
can reyna counter clove because she take the soul of their enemy so clove cannot be immortal?
@adityabutimdumb
2 ай бұрын
Probably but clove can just respawn with a new soul while still keeping her memories
@zimmu9074
2 ай бұрын
doesn't seem like Clove seems too bothered by this concept as she entire offers herself to Reyna to basically repeatedly kill her over and over again to save her sister. So that doesn't seem to be the case
@viktor2434
2 ай бұрын
reyna takes the life force, not the soul
@adityabutimdumb
2 ай бұрын
@@viktor2434 No its clearly stated soul i even asked a riot dev
Where do you get the voice lines from?
@tamo_louis
2 ай бұрын
And who is Hourglass?
@patrickcarter2829
2 ай бұрын
@@tamo_louis The Scions of Hourglass are a secret organization that Omen and ISO used to work for. They seem to be dedicated to ensuring that certain secrets regarding the history of Radianite stay hidden.
@myakuza4366
2 ай бұрын
@@tamo_louis Hourglass is some kind of shadow organisation that the Valorant Protocol is currently fighting against, we also know form last video with Omen that they are the ancient employer of Omen before he became was he is now (as an assassin) I could be wrong but they are also the former employers of Iso. They also knew about radianite before most of the world (maybe at the same time as kingdom or they worked with them)
as someone who is learning english, when you say "them" it confuses at some point and for a sec i'm like "wait who is "them" did I miss something in the video ?" And then I remember the non-binary thing. Personnally, I say what comes naturally in my mind at the moment so it's always "she" for me when I'm referring to Clove, it's less complicated for me (and I think it's the case for lots of ppl) and since she's a fictionnal character with no real feelings I will not feel guilty for that. But I'm not saying ppl souldn't say "them" when referring to Clove, say whatever you feel comfortable with just like I do :) Very good video btw
@thefinalantagonist
2 ай бұрын
Them isn’t just for nonbinary individuals and can be used for a single person that isn’t nonbinary aswell lol
@hess3458
2 ай бұрын
Really ? I didn't know that cuz I've never heard someone use "them" for a single person that isn't non-binary ! In wich case this is possible can you give an exemple ? I want to understand, like I said I'm not that good in english just know the basics :p
@Zack-jj8ff
2 ай бұрын
@@hess3458 it is used when you want to refer to someone but don’t know the gender of that person. For example, when talking about someone on the internet you would use they because you don’t know their gender.
@thefinalantagonist
2 ай бұрын
@@hess3458 an example would be if someone asks "Who gave you that drink?" at a party then you can point at the person who gave it to you and say "Them"
@bestspboxing
2 ай бұрын
@@thefinalantagonist thats still confusing
Who are they ?
Wait, Clove is immortal? What?!
i liked the video bc i saw an advert.. a advert abt goats. i need help
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
LOL
wait, if they can't kill her can't they just trap her?Like it's not like she can just beacome a ghost out of nowere
@BenQr
2 ай бұрын
oh and she needs a kill to stay alive so...
astra take someone soul thats why she need assist or kill before completely back alive
Clove sometimes talks about dnd I think?
@Nibble.
Ай бұрын
Yup! Clove has some dnd voicelines, which is pretty funny lol
@Nibble.
Ай бұрын
Yup! Clove has some dnd voicelines, which is pretty funny lol
isnt phinox technically immortal?
There not immortal, theyre radiant
half of time i was wondering why were u sayng they why riot why
who or what is hourglass?
@Nibble.
Ай бұрын
Watch this video which explains it! kzread.info/dash/bejne/eWqeqNJykZa3mqg.html
Clove cant be immortal and a radiant at the same time, you can only have 1 rank at a time💀
Never let him cook in terms of the agent rotation commentary. If they start cycling agents the game is ruined. I will take my 1500 hours and quit
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
LOL - but yo at this rate what's gonna happen when we have 30+ agents to choose from, somethings gotta go or happen don't you think?
not related to the video but i love how u use the right pronouns
@Nibble.
4 күн бұрын
:)
clove accent makes me Go ahhhhh
She has an interesting design ngl, love her color scheme a lot, reminds me about Reyna, it's just that Reyna has a darker purple and clove has a girly-pop pink-ish purple. I hope we get more of her lore and how she ended up being immortal. Astra is also a purple Queen, just like the other 2.
Who are "they"?
@thelittlepotaofrog
2 ай бұрын
'they' is clove, clove is a nonbinary character who, instead of going my she or he goes by they/them so that what people refer to them (clove) as
@Zakkylah.
2 ай бұрын
@@thelittlepotaofrog TF, she's complicated... When people in game do people say "they" when they see clove
@thelittlepotaofrog
2 ай бұрын
@@Zakkylah. i reckon in game ppl say clove tbh or they are addressing the player not the agent so the pronoun doesn't matter as much I personally say they bc it makes sense for me as I was taught in grade school that they can be singular when addressing a person
she not they
@BagelsAreDopee
Ай бұрын
wow ur so sigma and cool for not using their pronouns!!!!!!!
she looks nothing like her voicelines.
when you are referring to clove why do you say them? she is one being no?
@david3de
2 ай бұрын
this has to be bait
@Merc_507
2 ай бұрын
Good job sir, i also dont think riot should make valorant political
@loomeh25
2 ай бұрын
rage bait used to be believable
@maquainferno
2 ай бұрын
@@Merc_507 lmao you're stupid
@veliona3223
2 ай бұрын
Well, riot comfort that clove is non-binary so they/them are they’re pronouns
im not being homophobic, but hearing "they" just trips me out so much.
What if all of those images of clove in the other world are all the times that they have died before. and a lot of those images are near a bridge edge. including the one that is crying. I think they might have commited suicide and found that they couldn't die.
clove fr the weakest tho, theyre just immortal, other agents are radiant
I think that the "we could rule this world together" is just because they're such a nerd lol.
i dont like her voice and accent
@Vierico-hk6kr
2 ай бұрын
WHY
I’m sorry but 😂 really they’re gonna make clove unplayable and introduce an agent rotation? That would never happen disliked unsubscribed
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын
Just a theory as the number of agents grow :)
I put the new forgis on the jeep is my reaction to this amazing video
@Nibble.
2 ай бұрын