CLOUD MCH DURABILTY vs. Surefire, Streamlight, Modlite
Shan, Jamison, Kristian and Nick from the Werkz shop take four of the most popular handheld defensive lights head to head in the most rigorous durability tests they can think of, to see which one holds up. The Cloud Defensive MCH, Modlite 18650 OKW, Surefire Fury Tactical, and the Streamlight Protac HL-X are all well respected, find out which one fares the best in water spray, being frozen in a block of ice, drop tests, "drive over" tests, and the dreaded immersion test!
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FYI, I've heard back from Surefire and they're going to take the light back and (hopefully) let us know what might have gone wrong. I'll update this comment once we have word.
@packer492
2 жыл бұрын
Thats awesome looking forward to hearing what they have to say!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@@packer492 Same here!
@tedundercarriage8183
2 жыл бұрын
any news? This has shaken my confidence in surefire and I'd like to know if it was just a fluke
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@@tedundercarriage8183 Nothing back from them as of today (8/13).
@theheretic3764
2 жыл бұрын
@@tedundercarriage8183 I imagine it was. I mean when you consider their reputation? That would spread like wildfire if it became frequent by any measure.
The fact that you only have 13k subs is a crime. Someone who goes out and buys a salt spray chamber for testing is my kind of guy.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
It is my hope that the subs will come over time. And I'm all about buying the right equipment to do the right sort of testing. I like having the lab capability so we can fairly and accurately test!
@JohnSmith-yx8kf
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters Keep putting out content like this and the channel will take off for sure.
@harisyoung4110
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, and buy a forklift to do this test
Purchased a streamlight pro HLX and watching this video and seeing it the only one that stayed on during the drops makes me feel so much better about my purchase!
Thanks for an honest review and not skewing the results. I still love streamlight though!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
It's my pleasure! I like Streamlight products as well. They fare quite well in much of our testing.
You guys are my light channel, I appreciate how you do your testing and how you present the information. I can tell you guys have taken time to trim the fat and get right to the numbers. I'm subscribed for life. Thank you
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks much Gabriel for your feedback and encouragement! My stated goal is to help buyers make informed decisions by providing fair & unbiased info. It is my hope that this in turn helps manufacturers deliver the products that we want & need.
I've got both the Cloud Defensive MCH and Streamlight HL-X, I've had the Streamlight in my truck for quite awhile now and have been using the MCH while at work. Thanks for testing these and making me feel good about my choice in lights to carry with me!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
One of my goals is to make sure you have data to help make the right decisions (or verify you already made the right decisions!). :)
Really have to applaud the efforts these guys go to in testing. Thanks!
Interesting observation: I carry my modlite EDC with a thrym switchback and it has survived quite a few substantial falls while occasionally denting the top of the batteries. Maybe the big plastic loop is providing an impact cushion? Great testing as always and thanks for being so transparent. It was a pleasure to have interacted with you during the premier!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely fun for me as well. As someone else suggested, maybe I should run an interactive ask me anything...
It would be awesome to do the same test with the new surefire edc2-dft, cloud defensive mch duty, and stream light strion hl ds
I wish we could have seen an Elzetta Bravo (or Alpha) tested amongst these other lights. There's a good chance it would have beat them all.
@user-vt4no5nj1x
Жыл бұрын
Elzetta will never break.
I'd love to see y'all test Malkoff Devices and/or HDS Systems lights.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I have some Malkoff Devices heads here...
@falcoslyviper
2 жыл бұрын
+1 for the Malkoff MD2, specifically the M61 HOT head. I have an MD2 and an MCH, the MD2 is a bit chonkier than the MCH and built like a tank.
@proudtex
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters Depending on what heads you have, get the E-series to 18650 body or the full size MD2 body. Both built like a tank! The modularity, and the fact that it's a family owned American business combined with the quality makes them my lights of choice.
@techcores
Күн бұрын
HDS won't survive.
So been using the streamlight for past 7-8 months every single day in the morning walking my dog in the woods. I’ll admit it, I’ve tumbled on it once or twice now and dropped it getting out of my truck many times. Thing is great. The low power mode is usually what I run 95% of the time. I love it personally
Im interested in seeing how an Elzetta, malkoff, HDS, and a weltool do against each other in a test👀👀👀
Cool video. More lights testing please. Got my holster last week from you guys and love it. Thanks for the video
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback on both accounts!
I have the MCH edc dual, and I really like it. My go to edc. I've had the HLX for awhile and is attached to a rifle, it's a good light. Those boots look like Nick's. The best built boots.
I just found this channel and Its amazing thank you for doing an unbiased Flashlight review on reliability! Definitely subscribed!
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the subscription! Lots more content coming.
Great test guys, love that you do these👊 MCH is the edc handheld, and have the HLX in my truck at all times. Keep up the awesome tests!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
That's the plan. We have lots of content coming!
Love the reviews, keep them coming! Please throw an Olight warrior x pro / 3 in the mix for these comparisons!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Lots more content coming for sure! Yes, I do need to get the Olights in the handheld mix too.
@jdaniel4237
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters I look forward to it!
The Elzetta Bravo B331 is much more durable than all of these. 1 inch thick solid acrylic optical lens, fully potted electronics, waterproof inside and out, and doesn't overheat or compromise reliability. I have the older 650 lumen version and unlike other lights it doesn't drop down. My 650 lumen Bravo is brighter than all of my 1,000 lumen lights. I like my Surefire lights to but never leave the house without my Bravo B331. Why leave with anything less than the best?
@xrazx1269
Жыл бұрын
wow best info for elzetta...one day i must get that...wish me luck
have a Modlite Handheld PLHv2, which is a very good tactical light. But I have one problem... that's because the bezel of the light head is thin. Modlite weighs about 170g, so if it falls from the head part, deformation of the bezel is inevitable. I think it's easy for the lens to be damaged by this.
Ive had a streamlight pro tac hlx for law enforcement patrol setting for 6 years. No problems other than ive issues with the rechargeable batteries from streamlight. I fully expected the vastly cheaper light to lose.
Surefire fanboy since the mid 90s here. I’ve had a couple through the years that had minor issues, but I’ve never had one actually fail me. Kinda sad to see this one failed so quickly. Also, the light I mounted in my daughters truck is a Strion that I found in the middle of the road. Tube dented and beaten up so badly from being run over multiple times that I almost need pliers to open it. Got her a charger for it and it runs like a champ on the battery that was in it.
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm bummed the light failed quickly as well. And still no word from Surefire...
This is the best channel. And to find out that you are "forklift certified" is even better.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta have the forklift to move in our holster supplies. I was pleasantly surprised how violent the rear wheels were on the lights. I'll have to do that again!
I so surprised the SF died like that. I've had my SF scout DF take hits on more barricades than I can count, even a spill out the side of a moving car. I hope you guys get some word back from them because I really want to know what went wrong with it. Either way, amazing video as always guys! I do have a question though. Did you guys by chance remove the tail-cap and check the back spring? The main issue that I have run into with SF lights is that the contact spring can, upon taking its first spill, get knocked around and move backwards a bit. This makes it so tail-cap cannot activate the light. This is also why the momentary pads sometimes produce less output vs their tail-cap counterparts. The solution that works best, as I've found at least, is to take a small pair of pliers and slightly tug the spring to make it a smidge longer.
Thank you for making this video! I just bought a MCH edc light and was wondering how they held up with wear and tear!
Great tests! Makes me even more confident about my MCH. Wish a Malkoff MD2 handheld was in the testing lineup as well, any change for a pt2 😁?
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I intend to do a lot more "short takes" with other lights... we have to Malkoff heads sitting in the lab ready for testing.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@Star Gazer1212 We have all the hard data in our other video for those lights, plus charts at lowlightdefense.com/
@Osprey1994
Жыл бұрын
@Star Gazer1212 I think the goal was relatively obvious...destruction.
That Streamlight seems to be the Best Bang for the Bucks
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
The Streamlight is a solid option!
Y’all these videos are excellent! Y’all doing test like this gained you a sub and customer 👍
Glad you shared this test!
Keep it up. I now turn to you guys on seeing true results on lights. Glad to see the high tier lights holding their own. As a surefire fan I am still disappointed (got a rein 2 and love it). I can’t wait to see what lights you have to test and review in the future.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Next up will be a bunch of "quick lab tests" with basic candela and lumen data. Those are faster for us to produce. The main big test next up will be rifle lights.
Streamlights are excellent lights, if they'd put more precedence on high candela (or offer high candela versions of their "flagship" models) i can't really say id ever want anything else. Theyre tough as HELL, I've carried the one in my pocket right now for over 5 years as a warehouse worker and in my private time I i work on cars, tractors, and do all sorts of farm work and my tools do NOT get gentle treatment. My previous light was a streamlight as well and it didnt break, it accidentally came out of my pocket while loading a truck and it got shipped to South America. Their peripheral items (like tape switches for rifle lights could definitely be better) but otherwise their durability and reliability has been incredible.
I’d love to see a video testing the durability of wel tools T8 plus tac.
While I like the test saying they are "proven" with a sample of one is just crazy.
Where are the Elzetta lights
I own surefire lights, but 90% of my rifles run a streamlight with a arisaka adapter and a surefire pressure switch. Save the money and get a streamlight and run the adapter and surefire pressure switch.
These tests are fun to watch.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
That's one of my biggest goals... we have the data now we need to make it FUN!
I have a protac 90 Streamlight and it eats battery like crazy. I literally change the battery, not use it. Then when it comes time to use it , will only last like 2 days. Planning on trying EDC Mch
Great video guys
The Modlite lover was having a hard time dealing with the test results.
Gald I got that streamlight now lol
Solarforce is also a tough durable flashlight, bad thing is they're gone in the business for about 5 years, they are collector's item already. Good thing is I have Solarforce flashlights.
Excellent videos of the lights I'm a subscriber now
I would love to see the rifle lights from each of these companies put through this test. The only question remains 1.0 or 2.0 for the cloud
@JEJAK5396
Жыл бұрын
* & 3.0
Ill stick to my Streamlights.
@falcoslyviper
2 жыл бұрын
Best bang for your buck lights out there. Unless people need the candela of an MCH or Modlite, I always tell them to save their money and get a Pro-Tac.
@user-yp9zy1yc2n
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but streamlights are made in china these days not in the u.s any more.
@harisyoung4110
11 ай бұрын
@@user-yp9zy1yc2n So why if its made in china ? even your surefire led emitter come from china.
@user-yp9zy1yc2n
11 ай бұрын
@@harisyoung4110 Because china doesn't have durable metals that's why unless they keep the good materials for themselves and export the garbage to the rest of the world.
@rifleshooterchannel208
10 ай бұрын
@@user-yp9zy1yc2nStreamlight and Surefire both use components sourced from China. You’re not winning any patriotism awards buying either so buy the one that’s demonstrability higher quality.
Thanks for great content. I’m so lost as what to buy lol. I’ve watched several videos. I would like something interchangeable between pistol and rifles. Was looking at cloud bc of the warranty but I don’t see a pistol light. Modlite seems to have a selection of heads. I dunno lol
Which MCH did you test? EDC or HC? Single or dual output? Just got the EDC Single. Since it is 1400 lumens vs 1100 for the HC I'm curious if one gets notably hotter.
Quality content as always
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your positive feedback!
Never felt better about having my MCH. Cloud has the best r&d, CS, and are the brightest, best battery life, and the most durable.
@postingwhateveriwant
Жыл бұрын
Have you watched the feature comparison video? Modlite has more candela (I say this as someone who owns both).
@youreright7534
Жыл бұрын
@postingwhateveriwant more candela but less lumens. Also absolute garbage spread. Candela is NOT everything, very very far from it. If candela was that important, both companies would be selling only lep lights
Love this channel
Streamlights are the best value
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a solid light at a reasonable price!
i am curious if a different sure fire tail cap one of them that has a less expensive button would have done better in the drop test and if the light would have worked with a different tail cap afterwards
I enjoyed this video.
Please look into Atibal Illumination. They have 2 different heads as well as bodies/complete lights. I would love to see your tests on these. They claim 700 lumens and 90k candela on their AI-2 head. Their AI-1 head is rated for 335 lumens and 200k candela.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
We have a ton of content in the "Werkz". I have had one of their LEP heads in house for a long time; just haven't tested it. 200k candela would be shocking.
@4RunnerRigatoni
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters awesome I'm looking forward to it. I agree 200k candela be wild. They have a video of them doing a 960 yard shots with it, so it's definitely gotta be up there in candella. Which makes me even more curious.
How about testing the Weltool T17?
Frezee lights? Drive over them? Are it what you want a flaslight? Regards.
What light would be the top pick ?
Review modlites new Hog hand held flashlight please
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
In the works!
Surefire: The EOTech of Flashlights
Want to see some tests of weltool light.
I’ve never seen anyone have problems with surefire as much as you guys. I used mine as a hammer a few months ago and in fact just this morning it fell out of my pocket at work 60 feet in the air onto concrete and it functions no problem. The other 2 handhelds, 5 pistol mounted, 6 rifle mounted, and 1 helmet mounted ones have had 0 issues as well. I’ve owned several steam lights, over half failed from very light general use. Modlite I’ve seen break from from a 3 foot drop. No experience with cloud defensive. I just can’t believe the anti-surefire cult.
Great info
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Add the olight warrior x3 and test the new mch
I’d like to see a head to head against flash lights by the same brand like streamlights multiple different handheld lights
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea... I have a lot of lights to get through!
Used the streamlight micro for years until the clip started to get lose and it eventually fell out of my pocket. People complaining about candelas or lumens need to understand its not about lumens when it comes to LEDs. LEDs are completely inaccurate when it comes to Lumens My micro streamlight with 250 lumens was stronger than most 1000 lumens
will you guys be making belt holsters for the handhelds?
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
We do for the Modlite werkz.com/c7nnmlgen2a.html and for an Olight werkz.com/c7nnols3a.html are you looking for another one in particular?
Ever find out why the surefire failed? I have a surefire fury and it only lasted two years on patrol before the led burned itself out. It still runs but just at a lower output
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I don't have that data yet, but I'll pin a comment if / when I have an answer for you.
@CMH_1975
Жыл бұрын
Send it back. I have a Surfire Fury Duel Fuel and the Intellibeam version. Both have been rock solid.
@keelansarnecki
Жыл бұрын
@@CMH_1975 I did and they fixed the led which had burned out. But it now has a tail cap issue and will flicker when on either mode. First issue I have ever had with a surefire, but when I google the fury intellibeam it seems that it has a few issues. Ended up grabbing a cloud mch to replace it as my primary for work and will be sending the surefire back for more repairs.
@CMH_1975
Жыл бұрын
@@keelansarnecki that sucks. Sorry to hear that. I have several Surefire handheld flashlights and a few weapon lights and haven't had any issues. I know if I do, they'll fix or replace it. Good luck.
Can I get the cloud defense after the video
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
All the lights are definitely "battleworn" after these tests! But I think I'm going to hold on to them...
@turojones3011
2 жыл бұрын
Nah bud you’re gonna have to buy your own
@brucer1705
2 жыл бұрын
plz. no bully.
So we're those the weapon mount body's? Or the handheld. I probably shouldn't have watched this lol. I have had a Surefire DF600 for about 2 years and I am getting my delivery of $500 worth of modlite stuff today.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Handhelds.
I bought a surefire last week 😒
if you want a good dust test, hit up a farmer and help him clean out a grain bin lol dust has killed multiple phones on our farm
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
We have lots of those here on the Palouse! I guess I could also strap the lights in my tractor when I'm using the brush hog, or on the dozer when I'm moving dirt... good idea!
I love your channel but hate premiere's unless you are going to be livestreaming. Just another thing showing up on my timeline that I can't watch.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback! Question: If we were to do a livestream, what would you want to see? Light testing? Something else?
@Stealther
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters I’m not sure how many would tune in for a live light test. Your videos do a good job with that. Maybe a AMA livestream would be something that people would show up for. Personally I watch KZread when I have free time. There are very few instances where I would make specific time in my schedule just to watch a prerecorded video, ya know? The problem with these premieres is that there is no value added for watching at a specific time versus watching when it’s convenient for you.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@@Stealther I think the only value is in live interaction while watching with me. But yes, your points are well taken. Thanks much for the feedback!
I need anew EDC as my current Streamlight ProTac 1L-1AA is several years old and getting really beat up from rolling around on the ground and being dropped at least once a week. Also the clip just annoys the crap out of me since it just clips itself to the light body and pulls off with barely any force as well as it's a double sided clip for hats. I hate those things, completely worthless, nobody clips a heavy ass light to their hat because the hat just falls off from the weight. Anyways, I was looking seriously at the Cloud Defensive but the price was the only real drawback considering my lights get beat up, the current one is probably 10% bare aluminum at this point. But after seeing this video I'm just going to stick with Streamlight, rugged, dependable and way cheaper in price so no reason to go to anything else.
I don’t have a Ar Light, but I Got a Streamlight TLR-1 on my Glock and I’ve put it on my Ar before and it was Pretty Fuckin Bright!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
The TLR-1HL is one of my favorite lights!
I just bought a surefire 😢
damn, surefire busted after 2 drops?! isn't it supposed to be a military/weapons light made in the usa? wtf. i also saw another vid of a surefire that stopped working after one upwards toss. if it's gonna be that cheap they really shouldn't be charging so much for their lights, they're crazy expensive.
Man I was gunna upgrade all my Streamlights to surefire, now I’m a little concerned it’s a downgrade tbh.
@WerkzHolsters
Жыл бұрын
Streamlights consistently test out well for us. Quality is always at or near the top, and many LE departments rely upon them. I appreciate Surefire as well, so I was surprised with the failure in this testing.
Every time I watch your videos I think that the expensive lights really are not worth it. For me at least.
tajam bersinar...
Im a streamlight kinda guy there on all my stuff
Any word from surefire? Rather bizarre they wouldn't get back to you.
Cloud Defensive MCH rated at 100ft/24hrs.
@user-vt4no5nj1x
Жыл бұрын
WTF😮
I still think SureFire products are for clout only. I would prefer to buy American, but the prices SF charges just makes them low value to a non-US govt purchaser.
Not a very scientific test but still intersting to see.
Surefire is the most expensive and failed first. Thats sad lol
Honestly, newer Surefire flashlights are not as reliable as the older Surefire flashlights.
Cloud defensive sucks ass. Long story short I had a mch hc edc and mch duty. Every light flickered. It's a huge problem in their fb page group. 3 posts daily about their light flickering. Cloud kept sending out tail caps. That was just a bandaid to a bigger design flaw in their lights. 2 months later they would flicker again. Funny I was on a call clearing a house with 2 other officers. I had to stop and fart arohmd with the duty light to get it to stop flickering. Had to unscrew it take the battery out and fart around to get it to not flicker anymore. That was the last straw for me. I got all new tail caps and sold the lights off. That's whete I draw the line. Been a flashlight enthusiast for years and none of my other lights do this. Something to do with the battery not making full contact in the light there for the flicker. I believe the batteries are too short. They need to figure their crap out
'Pre-Cog' is guessing the Surefire survived the test and won over the competition.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I'll be interested to hear what you think after you watch the results!
@wonkachocolates6133
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters Honestly, I had a good laugh when the Surefire failed and realized that most of the cost of a Surefire must surely be in its sales ads. For me, this test gave a new perspectives on quality and durability. THUMBS UP on the video..!!
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@@wonkachocolates6133 If / when I get definitive data on the Surefire, I'll pin a comment.
Throw in a olight warrior x3
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I'll be taking some data on the Warrior 3S today (yes I know not quite the same) and video should be published soon.
@subaruforester5062
2 жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters I'd like to see olights matched up vs these usa made lights. Just for fun.
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
@@subaruforester5062 We publish all the data... and eventually we'll build a page with things consolidated as well for easy comparison.
Weep Surefire boys 😂
Do olight
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
I'll get Olight into the queue for testing!
@subaruforester5062
Жыл бұрын
@@WerkzHolsters any updates?
Thoughts on the Nightstick?
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Nightstick makes solid products. We do have some reviews of them in our channel.
Fenix beats all 😂
STREAMLIGHT LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Plz no jokes about being dented in the rear 🤣
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Just trying to keep it "light" (pun intended). 8p
They werkz no longer
@WerkzHolsters
2 жыл бұрын
Ha!
surefire money goes to bribing government officials instead of theyre flashlights😂
Add fenix pd32v2 pls
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