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@hkguitar1984

3 ай бұрын

IMO, in this kind of capacity the F-16 is like the M4 Carbine, whereas the A-10 would be more like the Browning BAR, both have their specialties. Great content GS, thank you.

@Shadow-itsumi

3 ай бұрын

@GrowlingSidewinder so buddy one 1v1 I would really love to see is the su57 felon vs the su47 berkut or su47 vs f22 or f35 please

@numberyellow

3 ай бұрын

NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns and missles plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns only plzkthx

@tsvetansimeonov7936

3 ай бұрын

Why SU-25 not shooting?

@sheila9358

3 ай бұрын

Scud hunting at night in syria.. f16 targets in a box but unknow where.. enemy a/a threats etc..

Thanks for bringing back the drop tank. The American tax payer thanks you.

@dmitrynova

3 ай бұрын

i was so hoping he'd drop it on the mi-24 as the last-ditch effort ))

@truthseeker9454

3 ай бұрын

@@dmitrynova I would have loved to see that! 😆

@johnandrewmunroe

3 ай бұрын

@@dmitrynova I wonder if an enemy casualty has ever been recorded from a drop tank!

@Belford_4642

3 ай бұрын

Glad someone else noticed it too🤣

@dsdy1205

3 ай бұрын

​@@johnandrewmunroe sadly no, the closest I've heard was that f15e that killed a heli with a laser guided bomb

That buzz by the downed pilot was absolutely savage.

@LeeValentine001

3 ай бұрын

No eyebrows left on that poor bloke.

@grumpy2.0

3 ай бұрын

Lucky he didn't take a pop with his side arm.

@the_algo_rhythm

3 ай бұрын

Eardrums - annihilated.

That frogfoot pilot did not want the smoke lol

16:53 looks like someone is getting an unpleasant talk with the chief mechanic

@adamtheninjasmith2985

3 ай бұрын

All I have to say is don't piss off your mechanics. Especially on convoy. I'm not military but my best friend is. He was a mechanic in the army and drove a hemt on convoy in Iraq. one day his alternator or something gave up and he limped it to the next checkpoint or fob and told the convoy leader hey we can't go anywhere I'm gonna break down, I need to radio back and get this part. Convoy leader said nope you're fine we're moving out. Needless to say the wrecker that's basically the heart and lifeline of the convoy breaks down. Shit hits the fan, they get shot at and when they got back to base that convoy leader got his ass handed to him and from there on out he was under very strict orders to move or not move basically under motor pools discretion regardless of rank.

@happyhaunter_5546

Ай бұрын

Pilotm especially times two, when you budget in their schooling/training, are more valuable than a single aircraft. That was not cowardice, but the wise move.USA.

In Iraq i think ( or arghanistan ) an F16 provided close air support to special forces troops who were pinned by enemy. I think the F16 only had cluster bomb (no guns) so instead of bombing he dived and used the sonic boom to disorientate the enemy and trick them into taking cover as it probably sounded like a bomb going off. It apparently worked and gave the guys time to GTFO of dodge.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

This was in Iraq.

@SamG-py7ej

3 ай бұрын

It was Iraq, and I think it was an FA-18

@sunray501

3 ай бұрын

I heard a similar story like this on yt somewhere, it was an F-14 that was Winchester, that supposedly disobeyed orders to cover ground troops making an escape using the sonic boom. As wel as it's general presence to keep the enemy defensive. No idea how real it is tho.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

@@sunray501 it could've easily been shot down if it was Winchester.

@DarthGandalftheBlack

3 ай бұрын

It did, but an A10 would have been able to neutralize the ground threat. And im pretty sure it was an F14, not a 16. But don’t quote me on that. Lol

Yeah, this is why you need both. Got to use the best tool for the job. Send in the F-16 first to take out all the air threats, then after the skies are clear, have the A-10 do all the heavy CAS work.

@FlexibleToast

3 ай бұрын

Nah, you don't need the A10 in the world of UAVs.

@SovereignVis

3 ай бұрын

@@FlexibleToast Do they have UAVs with GAU-8s? 🤔

@FlexibleToast

3 ай бұрын

@@SovereignVis do they need GAU-8s? A10s getting gun kills is actually rare in the real world despite it being romanticized.

@Noisy_Cricket

3 ай бұрын

​@@SovereignVisthey can easily make that if needed. With those fancy laser guided bullets that DARPA is working on too.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

​@@SovereignVis UAVs don't need that, they can provide CAS without those armaments and without the risk of loss of pilot life.

Interesting Pro-Words I’ve found out, in-addition to WINCHESTER: ARIZONA means “out of HARMs,” and DAKOTA means out of all air-to-ground munutions.

Fun video I work for Pratt &Whitney on F 35 engines. The fact a gun slinger like the 16 can also do some of the 10’s duties is impressive. I think we are reading from the same page here.

Do it with the Hornet too, it is the one which has the "A" in its official designation.

@vantaaax

3 ай бұрын

did it last video

@dieyproductions4403

3 ай бұрын

@@vantaaax that video didn't have CAS in my opinion.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

​@@dieyproductions4403it had everything the Hornet was designed to do. A in the designation means that it was designed to be a ground attack platform as well.

@Danlovestrivium

3 ай бұрын

@@traviswalker8933 Those designations, in practice, don't mean very much. Simply look at the F-117 as an example. The F-117 isn't fighting anything. There was an "F/A-16" planned, however, all of those requirements were simply met by the block 40 F-16CG with its addition of GPS and LANTRIN pods so the name was never changed.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

@@Danlovestrivium yup. That I know for sure. Because the F-15E is a ground attack platform and doesn't use the A designation. Just going by their theoretical sense here. Would have been cool to see a naval F-16 but Northrop and MD lobbied too hard to get the navy to pick up the YF-17.

Strictly CAS it is A-10 all day. If you want true CAS, you choose the platform I used to crew and that would be the AC-130U!

@kwdriver58

3 ай бұрын

loved her as a customer. rubble. but you also know the shortcomings.

@SheepDogNumber6

3 ай бұрын

TOT

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

The AC-130U won't be nimble enough to defend itself against tracer file and also take out the SAM threats in the area.

@501stIstheBestRegiment

3 ай бұрын

@@traviswalker8933 A-10s will also get smoked by SAMs there is a reason they do SEAD before sending them

@danielbrown9368

3 ай бұрын

AC-130 is a cheat code for CAS

doing a gun run on a tank, aim for the back. the front is where the armor is thickest. back is thinner. even with 500 lb JDAMs, aim for the back.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

Good eye.

The Viper could do it all. Such a gorgeous bird. Wanted to fly her so badly when I was younger.

@84MadHatter

3 ай бұрын

same

@mikemontgomery2654

3 ай бұрын

It actually wasn’t.

@Sajuuk

3 ай бұрын

Twas made as a lightweight air superiority daytime fighter, actually. It's subsequently become a multirole do it all machine yes.

@blablabla5361

3 ай бұрын

You gonna commission to fly them, then?

That Frogfoot pilot just got his eardrums busted lol. Great Vid

The best CAS is the one that checks in with you and delivers as requested on your 9 line. I've had all sorts of aircraft show up to help and they all were appreciated.

I like these “Jack of all trades” mission type scenarios that you do, keep up the great work. 👍

Thank you for making these missions available! I've been dying for this, appreciate it GS

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 ай бұрын

my pleasure, hope you enjoy.

Love CAS missions with the Viper. Also really love having the mission download

The better comparison with something we have in DCS would be the Strike Eagle, one all of it's ordnance options are implemented..

Thank you for the mission file! That mission was very entertaining to watch.

The Viper did great work in this video. You left the area ready for the A-10 to come in and clean up those tanks and other targets. Could have landed, switched aircraft and had 15 more minutes of video content!

Would love to see the japanese f2 variant of the viper.

I love using the viper for A/G work! Thanks for the mission download - I'm really loving these!

Thank you fo making the mission available for download! Would love to see more advanced SEAD with the f16. Thanks.

Thank you GS for the mission!

Back in 2003 the base my squadron was operating from for OIF also had multiple A-10 squadrons. I never saw an A-10 carrying anything bigger than a 500 lb bomb.

Finally some F-16 A-G action. Thank you!

It’s far easier to be shot down by ground fire in the F16 than the A10 which is very well armored. You made the point of this and quite a bit more.

Thanks for sharing the missions!

You should now do the exact same mission with the A10!

GS please recreate the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”

Now I think we need a video like this of the strike eagle.

The option to download the missions is so great! Thank you for that :D

Really depends on what the CAS entails, if there are SAMs and enemy aircraft, f16 and f35, if there are moving targets, a10, if it's mainly emplacenents and we're trying to open the door for our troops, ac130.

Thank you for uploading the mission. I'm new still trying to learn how to fly.

During the initial invasion into Iraq we used practice 2000lbs jdams on tanks parked next to hospitals. So it was essentially a 2000 lbs rock. We had video of it and it ripped the turret off and flung it 50 yards away. This was done by F15E.

14:38 JDAM may not have killed the tank but it blew the Tank Commander's pants off.

@gregtoler9283

3 ай бұрын

It would surely be a mobility kill

Great mission, GS!

Tbh I would see it has a good pairing a-10's with group of vipers could make for an impressive push force. Ngl I feel the a-10 and the f-16c are the best example of multi role while being more suited for either ground or air combat. Would love to see a-10 strike squads with f-16c support maybe a 2 player mission?

I love both and they're definitely different tools for different jobs

Awesome video. The A-10 gun is unique but hey, good show!

A10 gets on station when the air superiority and sead is already done, well, you passed through and accomplished that, plus a bit of additional help before you go, now they can show up and do their own magic...

I think they both fill their respective roles well. You definitely wouldn't want to go buzzing a SAM sites in an A-10, and air to air would be dicey, even against a Frogfoot. At the same time, it's hard for any ground vehicle to argue with 30mm freedom raining down on them, or some 2000 lb high explosive care packages, which an F-16 isn't as well suited (or even capable in the case of the 30mm) to deliver. I think both of them can be effective in a mission like this, probably more so the F-16 because of its superior SEAD potential, but they both bring some specialized capabilities which make them each suited to somewhat different mission profiles, even if there is some substantial overlap.

You should show more love to the f 35 rarely see you use it on the channel. I’d like to see if it could perform the same stealth and behind enemy lines tasks you often do with the f 22. Love the content.

Great video. Also F35 with added bombs on wings might make a better comparison since it was built with CAS in mind.

The F-16 is definitely the more versatile airplane, and if you have to have only one that's the best option. The A-10 is specialized, even within the context of CAS, for situations requiring getting in really closer and visually identifying targets. That role has proven to be indispensable time and time again though and the A-10 truly shines in it.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

For getting in really close and IDing and striking targets, UAVs do a much better job than a piloted aircraft without the risk of loss of life of a pilot which is an asset to the airforce.

@Avera9eWh1teShark6

3 ай бұрын

The F-35's EODAS as well as the MQ-9's sensor suite has rendered low and slow passes for visual ID obsolete and outmoded.

@traviswalker8933

3 ай бұрын

@@Avera9eWh1teShark6 the MQ-9 is much more suited to the CAS where visual ID is needed before striking. The effectiveness of this has been seen to a greater length in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

@EricaCalman

3 ай бұрын

@@Avera9eWh1teShark6 Even the F-16 can carry higher magnification electrooptical systems but those can’t see through clouds and infrared ones can but don’t always show details that the mark one eyeball can pick up on.

As far as the F-16C vs A-10C debate is concerned, you said it best: "Different tools for different environments." I love 'em both!!

I planned on only getting the Afghanistan, Iraq, and MiG 29A modules this year but after these videos and me trailing the F-16, I think I’m getting it too.

That F-16 loadout in the opening roll is crazy!

Keep it up Bro.

That gun run you were going fast!!!!

Good mission and getting closer to my request! A-10 vs F-35 CAS competition based on the USAF report.

A case for both. Depends on situation.

Nice video, what airbase did you takeoff from?

Nice run…👍 🦅

Your video literally made the case for why we need BOTH aircraft.

Oooo! Sheepskin seats! Those are seriously a lot more comfortable that the mil spec green pads. Good choice!

I believe you can lase the spi to refine the target point for the jdam, but I find lgbs or mavericks are preferrable when attacking tanks. At least with the current damage model. And it's also best to aim at the base of the vehicle, if not the spi might be a point on the ground somewhere behind the target.

Really appreciate the miz. file for this mission. Ta much sir.

That gun run was tickling session for that site.

Holy shit it’s viper

@Dipper737

3 ай бұрын

Eject :D

Can we get a video with the F16-XL? I have no clue if it’s even in DCS but it’s such an interesting aircraft

@mikemontgomery2654

3 ай бұрын

I don’t believe it is.

Good job.

This is why teamwork makes the dream work. Each has their place on the battlefield.

She got tore up pretty good from that ground fire, but got you home. Definitely two different tools for two different (and sometimes the same) environments.

Being an 0311 ground pounder, I can say any air support is greatly appreciated. (We need to give the flyboys something to do in between their spa treatment and luxury dinners). However, there is nothing more motivating than the brrrrrrrrt coming from the A-10, and the loitering ability the A-10 is also a big bonus.

Would it be crazy to do an F/A-18 Super or Legacy Hornet vs a F-35C, like an old vs new US Navy dogfight?

No aero break on landing? (nice vid again! thanks!)

I think the f-16, f-15 and a-10 all work together to have complete aerial supremacy. 15s for long range bvr capabilities, 16 for flexible strikes between air and ground(emphasis on radar). A-10 for CAS dominance. It’s silly to try to give every role to one aircraft because they are going to fall short of optimal in every instance.

F16 is the total package. A10 is a very specific package that has outclassed any other aircraft for that role thus far.

Definitely different tools for different environments. If you already have control of an airspace and are primarily providing CAS there is no question the A10 is the proper choice. If the airspace is still contested or you are needing to fill multiple roles the F16 is the best option.

Great title for a new channel and ideas... What if? What if the f-16, could do the A-10's job better? What if we send a F-15E instead of the F-16? What if a pilot is shot down and has to eject, can we get him in a timely manner say the F-16, F-18 to clear the air space, F-15E for long range A/G, F-18 for Meduim A/G, A-10 and the apache for close air support followed by Black Hawks to touch down and pick up pilot. All in a set time with no KIA. (sorry got carried away) but you get the idea. What if.... a channel was done in such a manner so others could download and try the missions as well and post their results on that missions. What If?

if its a GWOT troops in contact, where its not anti vehicle etc the A10 is great, like closer contact fire fights/ ambushes the a10 is great for that, where i feel slower speeds are needed

Different tools for different missions. The F16 has it's strengths as you have shown, but the A10 is a much heavier hitter in its proper use-case.

F-16's make excellent Wild Weasel's but their CAS lacks a lot to be desired. Usually they stay high very rarely getting low unless they can't avoid it for some reason because just how vulnerable to ground fire they are.

@JebHoge

3 ай бұрын

A-10s do the same thing. They stay above AAA as much as possible. Nobody's cavalier about taking hits.

@alderwolf7687

3 ай бұрын

@@JebHoge Never said anyone was cavalier but when it comes to CAS and getting down low the A-10 is much better to have than an F-16. I say that as a crew chief who has worked both airframes.

From someone who was practicing A-10CII A-G and now practicing F-16C A-G, I would say that the A-10C II is the A-G King. YMMV but HMCS , creating and accessing Markpoints is superior on the A-10C II and more intuitive as well. On the F-16, Markpoints/Steer points always start on #26?? and they also offset sometimes away from the target area. Might be a bug? Sometimes the new Markpoints are saved in sequence or sometimes they overwrite a previous created Markpoint.

He got the TGPs on to get that Tomcat feel.

The A10 was made for close air support. Each bird in the Air Force has its on job. They can swap over but their main mission is what they are great at. We need a well balanced force.

Really makes you wonder about retiring the A-10. But the F-35 should have more precision from further away. One would hope it will. But it’ll take several given its low capacity of weapons.

@mikemontgomery2654

3 ай бұрын

You’d need several F-35s to accomplish the same mission that two A-10s would.

@jacobdoolan4978

3 ай бұрын

@@mikemontgomery2654counter argument, you’d need 4 f-35 for the a10 to actually do their job

@FlexibleToast

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't make me wonder at all. UAVs do the job of A10s cheaper and without putting any lives in danger.

@CamiloLeonardoGarcia

3 ай бұрын

F35 for SEAD, UAVs for CAS

@jasonvick55

3 ай бұрын

@@jacobdoolan4978 fair point

I’d be curious to see the super hornet vs the strike eagle in this type of mission. Or even the f35 vs super hornet or f16.

Great to see a mission that supports the USAF’s concept of near future CAS rather than the politicians’ dogmatic support of the A10. As you mentioned, the A10 is excellent in the CAS role so long as it’s operating in uncontested airspace with no/minimal SAM threat. Great for the asymmetric battle space of Iraq and Afghanistan where it can safely operate unsupported. Not so great against near peer, or forces enhanced with near peer, weaponry. If the A10 can only be safely operated with F15/16/35 support to provide SEAD and air to air cover then you may as well just load up the F15/16/35 to complete the mission and leave the A10 back in the barn.

Blud never disappoints

13:13 rip tank

A-10 is the super soldier that flys. F-16 can clear the Air then clear the of the SA's and allow the A-10 to mop up the heavy stuff.... Loved this

Different platforms for different environments. It all depends on the environment and mission, but but have their place in the American arsenal.

that is a tough bird.

you should do some more F-15 close air support

Different tools for different environments. The A10 is phenomenal for CAS, but the F16 is capable but limited to its capacity. I've seen both provide CAS in iraq and both allowed me and my platoon to get safe. I will always have a love for both birds

You need both. The A-10 can't do what the F-16 does, the F-16 can't deliver the same ordinance the A-10 does. The A-10 does need replaced but not by anything currently in the inventory we need a dedicated attacker.

As cool as the A10 is, it's the epitome of the sunken cost fallacy. We didn't keep it because it was great or even the best in its role. We kept them because we had them. In its shining moment during Desert Storm, 99% of its usefulness came from using guided munitions, which other craft were able to use just as if not more effectively, while its unique aspect turned out to be a hinderance. Take the A10 out of Desert Storm next to nothing changes aside from fewer blue on blue incidents. With it gone, we may have gotten the F16XL to compliment the F15E, a cheaper and in every practical way a better plane than the A10.

Was anyone else waiting for the T-72 turrets to go pit-bull against our F-16???

A10 for me with the bigger gun and reinforced cockpit. 👌

I love the Falcon. But would be so great if it would be possible to give the A-10 a radarpod and use AIM-120 and AGM-88. And other long range stuff

Completely different beast. F16, Tornado, F18,... all can/could do decent CAS, especially helped by their speed and carrying capacity. The Warthog is bristling with weapons and ammunition, but it's a pretty slow beast comparatively. If at any point, you're in a Warthog, and air superiority isn't secured (anymore), you're in trouble. Meanwhile, the F16 has more than enough bite in order to defend itself.

Are you lasing before you release the JDAMS? It helps improve target location accuracy and makes it less likely to land next to a target instead of hitting it directly.

I feel like you could maybe make the GAU-8 more compact in modern days, if so, externally mounted gun pod on the center pylon of the f-16 would make A2G gunning way better. Overall I think they both have a time and place, the F-16 just has more times and more places where it is better, because of it's multi-role capability.

i think the f16 is more suited for this kind of scenario where you've got sam's and air assets going aroud. If you're only going to do cas with no sam's (or at least someone taking care of them) and airspace sanitized or some sort of air cover i'd definitely go for the a10

The F-16 can do it quicker and do a larger variety while also doing some CAS. The A-10 is a CAS-focused platform that can lightly dip in other roles.

I think you just demo'd why the A10 is going away; red air would do to them exactly what you did to their Frogfoots. Also since you would certainly have at least one wing man it might make more sense to ditch some of your AIM-120s for AGM-65s. Great mission, great flying.

For SEAD/DEAD, the F-16C is a beast and the A-10C is a non-factor, so that one is an easy call. For ground attack in general, the A-10C carries a lot more weapons and has better ability to loiter and shrug off ground fire. Plus, you know, the GAU-8 Avenger. The Viper is no slouch given a more targeted objective ("Go in and take out X"); with the Warthog you can just send it into an area and tell it to take out whatever it finds.