You are an inspiration, not only as a hunter but as a leader. Giving all glory and thanks to god is the most important thing for us to remember. You are a great guy🙏

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Mike! Praise the Lord, Jesus.

6 point fall arrest harness designs for hunters were lifted from work sites such as bridge and antenna repair. At those work sites, you hardly ever work and fall alone. Therefore, they are not worrying as much about suspension trauma since you have someone to help you. If you fall badly in the woods alone with a 6 point harness and do not get out of it or use the suspension trauma relief system properly (like you drop it due to stress), then you can easily die or lose you legs. In comparison, if you fall in a climbing harness, then you can safely hang there for hours. Once familiarize yourself somewhat with how climbers and arborists do things, tie lines, etc.; you will see that all of the hunter specific stuff you buy is unsafe and cheap junk. They don't even tie the proper knots half the time and do crazy stuff like crimp lines with metal and then hide it under rubber tubing. The climber specific stuff is lighter, stronger, cheaper, and safer. I can't imagine anyone switching back to the 6 point fall harnesses and poorly made hunter safety stuff (yes, even brands like Muddy stink compared to something like Petzl, Metolius, etc) after using climbing gear.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing. God bless ya

@Justin-zs1ql

4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping someone commented about this. The 6 point cuts off circulation to your legs while the climbing does not. I hear many hunters have died or lost legs from this.

@MrShysterme

4 жыл бұрын

@@Justin-zs1ql Yep, versus climbing and arborist harness are made to hang from, rappel, etc. And they are so much less binding and comfortable. You can easily put it on and then walk miles and only tighten it quickly at the tree. If you hold an $80 Petzl harness and understand the research, development, and quality control that goes into that thing, then you will realize that reputable climbing company gear is simply in a different league than Muddy or Hunter Safety Systems (like comparing a Yugo to a Tesla). Even the ropes from hunter-specific companies are heavier and not as strong, they even skimp or misapply tech there in something easy and then tie an overhand knot and crimp it down with metal or something. Also, climbing harnesses orient you so that you can be athletic after a fall, grab your rope, use your legs, etc. and self-rescue. My Muddy required me to get a little piece of webbing out of a bag tied to my harness and then tie a knot, so I wouldn't lose my legs or die (?!?). Also, hanging from a 6 point harness is supposed to be excruciating because it focuses so much stress on your groin and femoral artery. I always hear guys claiming "I'm gonna use what the archery professional make to be safe"....well more experienced people than them figured it out and employed it far better many years ago (climbers and arborists).

@Shiwwy

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrShysterme what climb harness would u choose? I want to try SRT with the RopeRunner when it gets the CE stamp. Are every arborist harness uncomfortable compared to a climbing harness? Bc that's what I here when reading various forums. I already have 30m xstatic rope currently waiting for the RRP but the saddle question still remains... 1) safety 2) comfortable 3) weight I hope someone with experience can help me

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shiwwy Arborist harnesses seem to have a little more padding and coverage so are not that bad.

Great comparasons. I used nothing when i started Deer hunting, then started putting a rope around me and the tree, then i saw the hunters system and bought two, so i could get my hunting friend to use one because he fell out of a tree, he lived but, it hurt real bad broken up some. I thank God for protecting me from all the stupid things i did. Now i use my DIY Saddle going up and down the tree. And still ask that God look over me and keep me safe. Climbing systems with me started with blocks of 2x4s and ropes. Great Video. 50years of changes to the better. Wish i had KZread then.

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Lol I remember those days too. My first safety system was there belts. One around me, one the tree and one connecting the two lol. That was in the 1980s.

@lhb4031

3 жыл бұрын

ya! we can LOL at that now, because God saved use from death, and for reasons he has set up for us. Thank GOD. be safe this year as you know it to be.

Thanks for all your great videos Sean, they're all very useful! Keep doing the great job. Greeting from France

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

The falling on purpose is not a great feeling. I tried it once myself. Both harnesses work. The HSS harness has a benefit of keeping you more upright with the shoulder straps. In the event you happen to flip upside down coming out of the stand. You hang more like a piece of meat. The jingle jangle of the leg straps is not optimal but I don't hook them around my legs till I get to my tree. Then I hold the locks open when I put them on to cut down on the noise. The strap to the tree does tend to get in the way. The climbing harness is much more comfortable but by October you have enough layers on you don't notice it. Being tethered at the waist does make movement easier.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Louis.

You are a absolute wildman lol, i love your video's, i learn so much. God bless.

@seansoutdoors

9 ай бұрын

Lol thanks

I love you KZread, we can learn so much from our community.

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Great

My Cousins neighbor died from suspension trauma while hunting using a typical full body harness. Been using Black Diamond Alpine Bod harness ever since. Always use full length rope, about 35 feet, so if I fall I can lower myself to ground. Plus it doubles as a pull rope for my gear. Use proper climbing knots and gear. I don't use the setup to climb, only as a safety measure. I carry 2 small sticks I made myself, similar to hunting beast sticks. My stand is hung with other steps higher up in tree so I only need to two sticks to get started. Everybody has their own way....just hunt!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that

I’ve been using a super lightweight climbing harness for years now for all of my hunting, and I do the one stick method whenever I want to work up a good sweat. This year I am hunting a county sponsored hunt, which requires the 5 point HSS. It’s a drag, but, rules are rules. Really enjoy your videos, bought and read one of your books recently. Keep up the great work! BTW, as one person questioned, hardly any rock harnesses have linesman loops. I think DIY Sportsman found one a few years back. But I’ve never had the need for that feature - I use the single stick rope technique of tying off to the tree even when I’m not doing the single stick method.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, brother. Hope you are successful on that hunt! God bless ya.

@MrShysterme

4 жыл бұрын

I fixed this by adding my own lineman's loops. Go over to Saddlehunter and there are tons of cheap and safe options. I wrapped a piece of 1" climb spec webbing around my waist and harness and then tied loops at each end on my sides in the proper position. I then only had to keep the thing from slipping up. I used 50 lbs break strength thread and sewed the entire thing to the harness using a lock stitch and 1,000s of stitches. It is extremely strong and can likely hold 1,000 lbs or more, but my sewing doesn't have to because I'm simply leaning back against the webbing behind my back and all the stitching does is keep it in place. I then took 5/8" climb spec webbing and tied loops around the harness and webbing to join them and then sewed those in place, so even if my initial stitches fail I would have to break several webbing loops to fall, which is nearly impossible.

The only way I can even climb a tree is when it's dark that way I can't see how high off the ground I am. Not a fan always waiting for the tree to fall over haha.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, well, at least you get up the tree.

I appreciate your sacrifice for this video

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Lol thank you!!!

I really enjoy and appreciate your videos. Keep 'em coming.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I love my Hunters Safety harness. I guess its just a matter of what a person prefers.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Yup

Good video Sean. I've been using a rock climbing harness for years, I will never go back to hunters harness. IMO

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome thanks

@ricomidence2063

4 жыл бұрын

I agree and much cheaper than a "hunting saddle"

Hi Sean. Whats your thoughts on using the hip loops while wearing the safety harness as a tree saddle method with a sitdrag? Most hunters already have a harness and I'd like to save $200 from buying a saddle. Thanks!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

If the hip loops are made for using a linemen’s ropes then you should be okay if you are connected safely and properly

You made the one stick method looks so simple and easy.

@seansoutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

I work in a harness every day for work and they are definitely a life saver. I’ve seen multiple instances of people fall and their harnesses catch them it’s a shame more people don’t go to the woods with them on for all the news reports of hunters falling thank you for this video God bless

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

THanks for sharing. God bless ya, Jake

I dig all your videos. Thank you for your time!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@pantera3336

4 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors yes sir.. had an accident with a bow a mod screw came loose and severed the cam cable it messed my paw up good but once it heals maybe I can get you some private land to hunt in NW Missouri sw iowa this year.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

@@pantera3336 Sorry to hear that. I pray to God that you heal fast and soon. God bless you. And, thanks for thinking of me when it comes to hunting.

@pantera3336

4 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors thank you and I'd be thankful to let you get in on some of the hunting ground around here. I have quite a few private lands to hunt.

Thanks for the video. Props to you for testing the falls. I probably need to do that to see what would happen

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Nice and easy setup

@seansoutdoors

Жыл бұрын

👍

Great video!! You're a beast, brother!!

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very interesting video, thank you!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

You are welcome. Thanks for watching.

Braver than me sir!!!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Lol thanks

That was pretty brave of you. I thought about trying that once, and decided not to LOL

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Some people view this as a vital point of preparation before hunting out of a tree.

The hunting harness seems bette to me. The one stick method seems like a lot of work up and down the tree when you could have just attached another stick and moved the aider and been done with it, just my thoughts

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I like the closest thing harness a lot better but yes, the one stick method is too much work

Another great video. Does that climbing harness have lineman loops? If so, what is the transition from lineman’s rope to tree tether like? You climbed in the stand and then attached, just wondering how much of pain it would be to transition. Thanks Sean.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

YEs, and, you climb with two linemen ropes at all times in order to get around branches. When reaching the desired height, you put the free one around the tree and lock it on then take the other off.

hello sean! thanks for all your videos. how hard would it be to use the rock climbing harness with a climbing stand like say a summit viper? im new to using climbing stands and wondering how easy it would be to climb a tree with a rock climbing harness/climbing stand combo.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Works fine for me. I don't use the hunters safety harness anymore. I just use the other harness I use in this video

Great vid! I’ve always used a hunters harness.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Hey Sean, I am considering the climbing harness to use when up high on a ladder while cutting the top out of a tree. Does the harness come with everything needed, like the strap that would wrap around the tree (about 8 ft around)? I am not clear on what all is needed to attach the harness to the tree. Anything else to recommend?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

It does not. You'll need a lineman's rope. About 10 feet long will enable you to use as a lineman around the tree or lanyard around the tree and just hang there

So far I have just used the typical hunters safety harness. Like you i find it annoying to have that strap behind your shoulders when drawing back. However, the hunters safety harness does fit well over or under large cold weather clothing. What has been your experience with wearing the climbing harness with large pants and jackets?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I have been using the climbing harness exclusively for two years now and I will never ever go back to using the full body hunters safety harness. I like the climbing harness so much better and if you think of it, tree arborists and rock climbers all use just the climbing harness around the waist and legs and not full body. Why do hunters then think they need to do something differently than what everyone else is doing who is hanging from a rope off the ground somewhere?

Sean, I have a tiny bladder. Which style would be more accommodating for that?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Hunters safety system.

Awesome test but look at your head position in each fall if you werent bracing for impact like say someone who fell asleep and fell out there head would hit the tree in the climbing harness...in all honesty each harness is made for specific reason a climbing harness and tree saddle your facing your anchor point with a treestand harness or full body harness your facing away there designed that way for a reason and i dont think its safe to use a climbing harness that way but that's just me awesome video as always sean god bless

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Joe, God bless you, but I think the points you are making are not necessary ... Saddle hunting is front facing hook up and only around the waste. The point is to have something that will keep you from going to the ground....

@Njjb122

3 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors oh i agree it will definitely stop you from hitting the ground i thought the test was which one was safer

This made me laugh. I can't imagine falling out of a tree on purpose

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

It was weird for sure

Arborist or climbing safety system is much safer in a fall situation.

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

waddaya gonna do if the stand drops to the ground?

@seansoutdoors

9 ай бұрын

Hug the tree and fireman pole down like I did when I was a kid

First! I Use and like both. I have been using my climbing harness as a hunting saddle since before i knew that was a thing.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Great

Want to scare yourself more? UNintentionally fall out of a tree stand. Had an issue with some medication for a short-term issue. Long story short I basically passed out. DO NOT use a stand without a safety line/harness/lineman belt EVERY single time you climb. Likely saved my life. My issue with pure climbing harnesses is if your lifeline is not adjusted properly/snug - that attachment point for a pure climbing harness can cause you to end up head down.

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you are okay.

What kind of linesman rope are you using for the rock climbing harness?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I made one. But before that I used a lone wolf lineman rope

How do you think that harness would work if you had a stand already hanging and you was using a lifeline? Would it be as good as a saftey harness

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Works well for me.

@stevenhicks815

4 жыл бұрын

Sean's Outdoor Adventures looks like a good idea!

I must’ve missed the part about linesman loops. I got a climbing harness but gotta add some.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Okay. God bless your efforts.

@davidrussell631

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe you misinterpreted my comment. I really do appreciate you falling out of the stand so we don’t have to, but I also REALLY do need to add some loops to my bare bones Black Diamond climbing harness. From what I understand most don’t have them so I know I’m not alone. If you didn’t address it here, any ideas on the best way to go? Thank you and God bless you as well.

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidrussell631 If you mean adding lineman's loops to the harness, I've done it with various methods. XOP uses quick links, something like this amzn.to/3g9PEsn

@davidrussell631

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man. I found a few ways to go but just decided to upgrade to a more substantial harness for when I hang and hunt. I appreciate the reply.

Great information!

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Have you ever tried falling out of a small bush?

@seansoutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Nope

What’s some of the modifications you do to a stand to make things more comfortable

@seansoutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

I may not have what you are looking for. Here is a playlist of tree stand related videos Tree Stand Hanging and Related Videos: kzread.info/head/PL-rtLON_MVhNbN7JaHClHFtCKqpjwqhyt

@jameslunsford4168

2 жыл бұрын

I’m an Oklahoma native and I love your channel I believe you are beyond passionate, my best memories are those w my dad in the woods. My question was directed towards rain proof, wind proof diy and setting up materials for comfort.

Man sean .. had tou jammed on of those steps in your side with that rock climbing harness,,that would have been bad

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

It all worked out.

Did you review the xop ambush stand yet?

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Filmed some of it but didn’t get to edit it or finish it

Thanks for the wisdom, and heavy breathing....😁 No response necessary.(edit)

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks,lol

Climbing harness looks heavy!

@seansoutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

If you drop your 1 stick, you're stuck up there.

@seansoutdoors

Жыл бұрын

You'll make the evening news. Hunter needs to be rescued from a tree by the fire department because he dropped his stick and couldn't climb down. Sources say he would have starved to death up there if they hadn't rescued him.

What type of waste climbing harness did you use?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

I use this one. amzn.to/3rjmeio I 100% switched to the arborist harness and got rid of my hunter's safety harness.

@bobbydenezza7795

3 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors looks like the leg size is 29in. I have thicker legs and need a bigger size. Would this onewww.amazon.ae/HandAcc-Professional-Mountaineering-Magnesium-Connection/dp/B075WNTTWB be similar to yours but the leg straps are longer (33in)?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobbydenezza7795 It would work but doesn't give you a bridge, it just has a metal hoop in the front. You could look into tieing on your own bridge if you get the right materials etc.

@bobbydenezza7795

3 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors What do you mean by a bridge?

@seansoutdoors

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobbydenezza7795 The center of the front of the harness that you attach your carabiner to is the bridge. If you look at the one I use there is a strap that is about 9 inches long that you hook to that gives you some slide and play. The one you sent me just has a metal hoop so there is no play to slide with when leaning to draw your bow.

so... its basicly a hunters fall arrest system

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

I went with the tree climbing harness and got rid of the hunters...

@RAMA-gu8cs

4 жыл бұрын

@@seansoutdoors well to be honest its a seat harness so its design to comfort in "hanging" conditions but i'm pretty sure that a hunter harness didn't

Way to put your body on the line for for your viewers 😂

@seansoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, you're welcome, lol