Original Submission Video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2V21duMmrfLm7A.htmlsi=JXU-0im47fuk0AUe

Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Haha! Thank you!

I would like to see the same experiment on raw coins (not previously packaged) and sent into PCGS and NGC.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I went with the proofs because my assumption is that if cleaning will be detected then it’s gonna be most evident on a proof coin. I am going to do some variation of this with PCGS as well. Maybe NGC down the road

@jasonkav

5 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblingsyeah I doubt you could pull this off with NGC

@wulfgar9119

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely... PCGS or NGC will catch it if you clean your coins. It never fails!

@davidgabriel3658

3 ай бұрын

Yes!

I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group. Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison. Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Awesome experiment!!! I love ANACS Holders and their customer Service is A+. I wish the industry wasn't so hung-up on NGC and PCGS!

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

I agree 100%!

A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.

@rockysramblings

7 ай бұрын

That’s interesting. I don’t have city water. I actually have a cistern. So maybe that’s why my rinsing hasn’t caused issues. Someone told me a long time ago that they rinsed their coin and received a details grade so that could be why. When I rinse I rinse for quite some time.

@randallmarsh446

Ай бұрын

I would think that if using ditilled water the final rimnse would create a perfect enviroment for oxidation on any metal surface. i would be wanting more along the line of preservation of the coin superceding as long a there is no damage done to the quality of the coin. Any comments?mabey using a thin light oil or wax petroleum based to prevent corrosion ..any comments?

Love the video! Thanks for taking the time to show us the way!

Thanks for the follow up! It was well worth the wait!

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Good job on these with proper restoration. You see they do grade straight if you do it correctly.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I never sent in any coins I had cleaned before this. All the cleaned coins I sent in before were from others having cleaned them. I would never take an abrasive to a coin. However as I said in the video, they don’t need to be treated like a lab setting either.

Are the best videos I’ve seen in a long time about cleaning coins. Thanks for posting I’m a new sub!!

@rockysramblings

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoy it!

I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.

@shawnaldrich9168

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, there could be numerous testing scenarios , to what end? An investment group for such information would make myself a confident participant.

MS70 is great and you confirmed that… Thanks. I have not had any luck with copper and any of the products. I just stay away from dipping copper.

I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems. After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

The key words there are “when they do it” lol They just want to encourage people to have them do it

that is encouraging! thank you for making this video!

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

Awesome job dude great video.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

Nice! I love hearing that! Thanks for watching

Great video! Thank you!

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Awesome video, clarity to this issue is much appreciated, I'm a novice still just hoarding coins... 😂

Great video. Thanks!

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Nickels are tough LOL Man I am super loving this video, it says everything I've been telling people for four years is true. Multiple arguments with coin collectors. You can clean a coin as long as you abide by PGCS rules 92 and 94. To the average person I laugh and wish them luck. Pay a little extra and get REMBRANDT, just so you can't mess up you know.

I agree send some in, I’d be curious to see any fluctuations in grade.

I recently cracked a details coin (very, very minor wheel mark) from PCGS and sent it to ANACS. I had it at a 64 details with the wheel mark and ANACS sent it back as a MS62. I'll take the net grade on a market acceptable coin any day. Edit: I dip everything I send in for grading in acetone to make sure there is no PVC residue. I also sent some clad to ANACS after using MS70 recently and they all straight graded as well.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I sent in a details cleaned Morgan from PCGS to ANACS and it was sent back to me MS62DMPL. Now I want to double check all my PCGS details coins lol

@sinesaii

3 ай бұрын

So ANACS cannot be trusted? Is that the lesson?

You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

People told me PCGS protects the “big guys” a while back but I kinda took it as conspiratorial, but after my experience with them I don’t doubt it one bit. You can even see their own pictures on the app and compare them. Some lower grades look way better than the high grades and you gotta just scratch your head and ask how?

@MarkBryan-tw5fq

13 күн бұрын

​@@rockysramblingsI think I would call it hypocrisy! That's why I don't trust coin graders! They want to control how much money you make! I'll bet the big moneychanger banks like the Federal Reserve came up with this numismatic 🐂 💩!! I'm so used to seein' gold 🪙 and silver 🥈 dipped and cleaned in TV commercials! It all changed in 1986! I call it numismatic 🐂💩!! Period!

Greetings. Awesome job! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.

Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.

I'M IMPRESSED THANKS

I watched both of your videos and I want to thank you very much you have proven a lot to me today. Well done I would say tries a couple of coins that are very dirty but I think I’ll try that myself thank you

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! I did clean a very dirty one but it didn’t come completely off. Sent it to ANACS and they graded it. I have damaged some Indian heads by letting them soak in MS70 overnight. Took away all the corrosion and weak metal so it ended up looking worse.

Thanks for sharing

Thank you for posting the results! If I wasn't poor, I'd offer to donate some $ towards breaking them out and sending to PCGS. Like you said, that is the most valid way to do it. No new control needed as you already have one. Funny though... I don't own a single graded coin.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. I don’t need any contributions but I appreciate it! Just like and comment and it helps the algorithm push the video. Thank you!

Thank you for this very informative video. And, the money you invested for this test. Good luck in the future.

@rockysramblings

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

Honestly the nickel you cleaned twice i couldn't tell from my view. You did a hell of a job!

@rockysramblings

25 күн бұрын

Thank you!

I'm a big fan of ANACS because I'm an error collector, and most errors come in ANACS slabs, but I don't trust them on high-graded coins, like 65 and above. They do a decent job on circulated coins but tend to straight-grade obviously cleaned coins more often than does PCGS or NGC.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I’ve sent in about 50 or more coins so far. I feel their grading is pretty comparative to PCGS. I have gotten some details grades as well, but not on these coins or any coins I have cleaned myself. The details came on other coins I thought were polishing marks. I have 240 coins graded by PCGS and I think it’s really comparable as far as the grading goes. But that’s just my experience. Maybe it’s been different with you.

Thanks for sharing❤❤

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great video my man 😅 Been excited to watch this since the "cleaning" video ! I know guys that have submitted the same morgans a few times to pcgs that came back DETAILS, until it didn't and was finally straight graded 😮 Did it suddenly become uncleaned ?.., of course not ! ANACS now, ANACS tomorrow!

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I just got a PCGS graded details back from ANACS. ANACS gave me MS62DMPL! Quite the difference. Big difference in price as well!

@southerncoinhunter

8 ай бұрын

Would like to see the results on circulated pennies

@michaelstein4295

6 ай бұрын

The DID become UNcleaned🤣🤣 lol... Perfectly added comment🤣. Maybe (just maybe 😌) someone 'different' at PCGS looked at it/them the last time🤔... again.... maybe😌

@morgansinner

6 ай бұрын

@@michaelstein4295 😄🤗

Incredibly interesting

Thanks!

@rockysramblings

4 ай бұрын

You bet!

Dude, love your videos. That being said...Eee-Zee-Est! Every time you say Eee-zest my eye twitches.

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

Haha sorry man! I’m sticking with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks 🐶

Very nice video. thanks.

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Thank you

As a kid in the 60s , everyone cleaned their coins

New subscriber here I love this type of stuff

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

Great! Thank you! Trump2024!

Very good I totally agree

Interesting; would like to see same video with coins cleaned with the different chemicals to ngc & pcgs.

A clean coin is a clean coin. To me it's all the more impressive if a coin can be circulated, cleaned and be as clean as uncirculated. The history of the coin and the pockets it's passed through is what interests me.

Thats seriously awesome stuff. I just assumed that if you put anything on it theyd be able to tell. I heard of a guy getting the restoration from the company (cant remember which) grading it and they graded it details cleaned

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

I had someone leave a comment that that happened to them too. I tried PCGS restoration service as well and made a video about that. I think it was about a month ago

Would you consider doing a similar video comparing acetone, MS 70 and eZest on cleaning circulated dark toned silver coins? Coins that look very dark, almost black

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I had a nickel that had some darkness on it. But it was more of dirt than toning. At any rate, it cleaned some off but it couldn’t seem to get it all. Some toning I’ve noticed doesn’t come off very easily. Some comes off very easy. I’ve cleaned a lot of coins since the original video. They still pass grading but they don’t always get completely clean. If I have any like that down the road I’ll try it.

This is awesome!!! Im so glad this worked. I saved it im gonna give it try. How long did you let them soak?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

The eZest is the only one where I let it soak. It was 5 seconds. The other two I dabbed the acetone and MS70 on with a Q tip cotton swab and then lightly “rolled” but then started to rub it very lightly when stuff wasn’t coming off. I will say on other coins I experimented with after this experiment I did let them soak in MS70 for a while. I had one PCGS wouldn’t slab because of pvc residue that I soaked for hours and cleaned many times. ANACS graded and sent back, no details. I believe I got a 67 on it. But something I did wrong was on an old Indian head cent, it was a beautiful coin and I soaked it overnight. The ms70 ate out any weak spots in the copper. Ruined the coin. So DO NOT soak old copper coins.

@theandycrunk

8 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings thank you

I would send in New coins rather than taking a loss on the ANCS ones. I wish we could establish a ruling that ANCS is just as good as PCGS for selling the coins. since the grade and reputation of the grading companies makes a difference.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Personally I like ANACS far more than PCGS. I’m gonna make a comparison video at some point.

Very interesting

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Just caught this. Great video, good job. I would use new set, clean cent and nickel with acetone or MS70, as they got best grades. Do silver with Ezest. Send them and see what happens. Good luck, I'm doing this to some Morgans that are in PCGS holders, non graded, just a bulk batch of brilliant uncirculated and I rhink if I use MS 70 on them they'll come back MS 60 or above. I'm learning, a little new to the cleaning/grading game but willing to pay a little to learn. Hope to see your results.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Since I did this I have sent in several Morgan’s to ANACS and used ms70 on them. They all came back graded without details. Good luck with yours!

@1011Shke

8 ай бұрын

​@rockysramblings 👍🏻 I'll send u a couple pics later. The pcgs slabs are non graded, no serial numbers (have never seen that), just say brilliant uncirculated but these Morgans don't look BU to me. MS70 to the rescue. I've also got an AU58 I may crack out and try. I was going to NGC as all I've seen people are not teusting/liking pcgs much lately, but after ur video I may join anacs and go there. Thx !!

This is all good stuff, you could water the e-zest down a little bit that may help in grading if it`s getting to the bone of the coin.

You are allowed to properly conserve coins. An improperly conserved coin is a "Cleaned" coin. Not surprised that the Ezest proof silver coins did so well as that is where that product really does such a great job. Dipping is totally acceptable when done right. Loved the experiment. Cheers!

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

I was surprised the EZest copper passed tho. EZest scares me

@don951

6 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings Agree. Great for silver, but copper is risky for sure.

Thanks for this. And yes I would love to see NGC in there as well. Also, I would like to see IGC in there to see if they grade the same or higher. And keep using proofs.

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching! I’ll work on those

4:31 That's an interesting looking 'Kennedy' ya got there xD

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Oopsie! 🥴

I think your proof of concept is good enough

Thank you so much for this video, wow. I agree, no control group... no point. I also would only crack open the ANACS that don't mean that much to you and just send a smaller set of coins to PCGS. Obviously keep the 68s. Maybe pick a 67 you think could get a 68? Getting greedy here :)

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the input! I’m kind of gauging what everyone thinks of the PCGS submission and I’ll probably do it and make a video afterwards just in case anyone from PCGS is watching my stuff. Unlikely haha

What about circulated coins? I clean some coins in Acetone if it's just too dirty or something like tape residue, and I use a shorten bristle brush.

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t use a short bristles brush. I’d stick to Qtips and minimal pressure. I’ve cleaned circulated as well. Just haven’t done a video on it yet.

I like ANACS. My results on dipped proofs was the same as yours. No issues. However, on mint state coins some came back as “details - cleaned” but I was trying to push through some sliders so…. I’m not butthurt about it. In fact, it gave me greater confidence in the skill of the ANACS graders.

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

I’ve been impressed with ANACS so far. In fact I think as far as grading goes they’re on par if not more judge mental about my coins than PCGS. I think it’s silly that people won’t pay as much for an ANACS coin as a PCGS coin. PCGS has promoting themselves as the best but in my experience…. They’re quite bad. It’s mostly them marketing themselves that way. People believe it

@marianmoses9604

6 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings I agree. People are lazy and too “brand” driven. ANACS is the far better value.

@donavonrobbins1908

6 ай бұрын

I think ANACS could build a better following if they worked on their label and holder design. Something that compliments the coin more rather than distracting your attention from it. Nows probably the time with some of the bad rep PCGS has been getting lately.

MS70 Gun Bore Cleaner, Solvent, Dry Cleaning Fluid, Perchlor I think

Interesting video. I agree if no one can really tell with the naked eye or a loop then what does it really matter

subcribed.. I m from Canada. i loved this vid. Thank you for spending your hard earn money you are very brave... I think you your thought with out control group.I thought to retest everything then re thought. They are all so similar do some new ones.. Good luck

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

I’ve currently got something in the works. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!

It helped me make my decision, on what product to use when cleaning a coin. I would like to seeing you actually use coins out of a piggy bank or morality of a store cash register something with a little more dirt and grime and I'm sure you know what I mean but thanks thanks for your editorial

@rockysramblings

7 ай бұрын

If it helps, I’ve sent in some more circulated coins. I didn’t get details on them either. Just don’t get too aggressive. My personal favorite is the MS70 cleaner.

The only thing in cloth that will scratch is dirt. Make sure the coin and the cloth have no minerals, no dirt, no salts and you will be fine. Wash and dry cloth very well before using.

Hopefully you have already sent your selected coins to PCGS, but I would break out the coins from the ANAC cases to eliminate a variance in the coins. Have PCGS grade the same coin. Thank for the enlightening video.

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

Yup. If I send them with the case I worry that would just encourage the grader to go with what is stated. I’d rather them think it hasn’t been graded before

@cland9189

5 ай бұрын

Trust me, the graders are expecting pretty much every coin to have been already graded at this day and age.

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I’m beginning to accept what you had to say about the positive aspects of ANACS. However, their slabs need some work. In addition, the value of the slabbed coins are not comparable. What’s a fellow to do?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I hate the yellow color to be honest. The slabs I didn’t like at first but after getting more they actually stack easier than the PCGS slabs. I also like the curved top because you can see what you have if you have them in a container without having to take them out. As far as the pricing. I agree with people that say “buy the coin, not the slab” but it is what it is as far as people thinking PCGS is more “trustworthy.” In my experience that couldn’t be farther from the truth. My plan is to use ANACS as my primary grading company. If I get some that are worth more or if I want to add them to my registry, I’ll crossover to PCGS. Leave them in the slab and mark on the form to only crossover of it matches or exceeds the existing grade. Then you’ll have PCGS reputation without the possible loss of the ANACS holder or a lower grade that could make the PCGS slab not worth it. That’s my view anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️

@chadbenner6316

8 ай бұрын

I bought a coin the other day from a guy that said “Honestly, I just want it gone cause it’s in an ANACS holder.” I said absolutely I will take that off your hands and he sold the coin to me at an almost 25% discount. I will certainly allow someone to sell me a coin at a discount because of the holder. I don’t sell my coins, I just appreciate them for their condition and level of rarity, which I think is the point of COIN collecting. The bottom line is that if you are in the hobby then you need to learn how to grade for yourself, buy accordingly and submit to the most reliable TPG when it’s time to liquidate. Dealers live by a different set of fiscal rules than collectors like myself.

I used ez est on some BU copper Canadian cents and it totally ruined them. I dipped them for 5 seconds and washed with distilled water and got a artificial tone look when it was dry. I tried an acetone bath after that but it didn’t help, also the color was way off before it dried with the artificial toned look. The ez est worked great on my silver but I will never use it on any thing other than silver or gold.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I was completely shocked that my eZest penny passed the test. It changed the color so drastically I never thought it would pass. I wouldn’t recommend eZest for pennies. My preferred cleaner is MS70

@MrStubob2

8 ай бұрын

Pennies should be soaked in olive oil for a few months then lightly roll a Q tip over the coin to removed any dirt! The color will not be effected!!!! !!!!!!

I love anacs . They give you a grade no matter what and that's what ur paying for over all is a grade . I've sent cleaned coins to pcgs and got a good grade I used sliver cleaner for jewelry.

Just my thoughts. If you really want to do a submission to PCGS for the content. I think to save money you could break out the control group, and the Ez Zest group. Here is my reasoning behind my thoughts. You can still be scientific about it as long as you send the control group (for obvious reasons) and the Ez Zest group, since you thought that was the one that you were the hardest with. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF YOU WANT THE CONTENT. Otherwise I think you did what you set out to do and proved what you wanted to prove with these two video's great work and thank you.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I think I set out to do what I wanted as well but I know people are going to (and have) said that PCGS would catch it. So now I want to know if that’s true. Someone suggested to take one of each group out and send it in. I think that makes sense cuz if they can’t catch it on one they shouldn’t catch it on the others. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I have no Ezest, but if I did I would probably apply it with a toothbrush. I did my best to fix a few coins that were Ezest Over Dipped. It's like trying to sweep the surface of the moon with a broom.

And now you know that if it has no minerals on it you can use soap, water, and a plastic toothbrush, plastic does not scratch silver. Toothbrushes are great for getting cleaning residuals out of the reads on the coin edges.

@aliasfred

5 ай бұрын

I am a metal detectorist. I clean all the dirt out of my silver coins that I dig with a Water Pik and spring water. I never ever clean any other way, I like the patina from the soil and being circulated. But that's just me, even the 1913-S's and 1912-D's, I note to buyers that all coins came from dirt or from water. I have never sent any in for grading because they will all come back "Environmental Damage"

@TobaccoRowe1960

5 ай бұрын

Okay Fred that will be about enough of that.@@aliasfred I'm buying myself a WaterPik for Christmas Fred, just don't ask me to brush my teeth with it

@TobaccoRowe1960

5 ай бұрын

Fred I just called my LCS and told them what you said. They said GET A BASEBALL BAT! @@aliasfred

@TobaccoRowe1960

5 ай бұрын

How much Tarnish could a WaterPik pick if a WaterPik could pick Tarnish.

@TobaccoRowe1960

5 ай бұрын

Lets put sand in the water.

I dipped a 1936 German silver coin in EZ-EST. I sent it in to NGC for grading. It came back AU53.

Could you do this test again with PCGS OR NGC, please?

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

I don’t have an NGC membership but I intend to do it with PCGS. Stay tuned

I would like to see it sent to pcgs and see what they came back as

Big thanks 4 your 💰&work..Will use Anacs Accidentally left a penny in pocket, washed clothes-will this be a strike against me?

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

I couldn’t tell you. If it made marks or lost the luster it could.

I would send 1- set as crossover, and break 1-set out and see what happens, and possibly one controlled set, just to see if Any of them get detailed? I think that would show if PCGS in more stringent with their grading. Would be nice to know if ms70 or acetone would slide past them. Lol

I went to a coin show in Chattanooga Tennessee back in November and sent 6 Morgan Dollars to ANACS. I have not got them back yet because of the holidays. I have been wondering about NGC and PCGS for grading, but what I've seen and heard about them lately I don't like theirs ways of treating their customers and their to hi grading prices. Not to mention having to join something... I think alot of the put down of ANACS is the big boys and not the quality of ANACS's grading. So for the first time grading I went with ANACS... We'll see. I enjoyed watching your video.

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

Thank you. I’ve been very happy with them. They usually take about a month, but I’ve gotten coins back as fast as two weeks before. I think they’re grading is on par with pcgs. In some cases I’ve even felt they were too harsh but usually it’s about the same. I had terrible troubles with pcgs and usually their orders took 4 months to complete.

I would clean some tarnished/slighty dirty coins that otherwise are in good shape and see how well it gets cleaned and what grade it comes back at! Of course, estimate the grade before cleaning per the grading guidlines. To me ez-est seems the easiest to use. However, someone here mentioned it was not so good on copper. So between ez-est and MS70 which one do you think cleans all the silver, bronze and copper the easiest? I'm new but learning the hobby! Thanks!

@rockysramblings

2 ай бұрын

I prefer MS70 above all else. If I’m cleaning a silver coin I will do a 5 second dip in eZest if it has cleaned up nicely because it seems to just give it a little bit more shine.

@shastina5493

2 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings Thank you! Your opinion I truly appreciate! So I will get both lol! I truly enjoyed your videos on this subject!

Hey I have old mint sets from 1955-1964 ... would you keep them together or have them removed from original set and send them in for grading separate?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Sorry I’m hesitant to give advice as I’m not an expert and I’m not sure what it is you want to do. I’d hate to guide you and then have you lose value on your coins

@blueocean7761

8 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings appreciate the answer... well I want to preserve the value and the coins and not sure if they will be safely stored in the original holder?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

@@blueocean7761 is this some kind of holder that holds all the sets from 55-64?

@blueocean7761

8 ай бұрын

@@rockysramblings its the proof set pack with the mint plastic coin out of the brown envelopes, so straight from the mint... should I keep them in their original packaging?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

@@blueocean7761 that’s the same thing as what I send in. The separate envelope packs. Unless they have a variety or are cameo or are exceptionally good condition they usually aren’t worth sending in for grading. If you want to sell them I’d leave them in the packs. If you don’t care about selling them and want to hold on to them for yourself then it’s totally up to you. I don’t really sell I keep for myself and I love searching for varieties and such so I take most mine out if I think they’re better quality, etc.

Since there is subjectivity to grading, I would crack them out. Any bias against ANACS might affect their grading even if unintentional.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

That’s what I was thinking too. Or send in a completely different cleaned set

What about having them graded by PCGS? Do you think you would've recieved the same grades ?

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I want to try it. But it’s much more expensive with PCGS. I probably won’t send in as many.

@IndianHeadBuffalloNickelMS65

7 ай бұрын

I can tell you that he want. They will catch that has been cleaned

Did you ever send these coins to pcgs? I would break them out and send the same ones in with out the control group.

@rockysramblings

4 ай бұрын

It’s still processing

So which product do you recommend the best

@rockysramblings

3 ай бұрын

The way I do it depends on the issue. I’ve learned that acetone removes PVC damage well. Just soak it a little. It then use a Q tip then rinse with distilled water. For 99% of my cleaning I dab it with MS70 and let it soak for a few seconds then VERY LIGHTLY move the Q-tip over the surface. I go back and forth and circles. Do this to both sides and the rim, then rinse with distilled water. I don’t use distilled water but I don’t have city water and I’ve been told PCGS has a tool that can determine something in the water. I would guess it’s fluoride. So better safe than sorry, just use distilled.

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@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I would very much savor the data that it would produce for myself and all collector's, although the cost to yourself would be a burden, the result's would be well respected.

I recently inherited a huge coin collection, I wont clean every coin in it, especially if its something rare like my 1877 CC half dollar. However, if its green, teal or so corroded that it can hardly be read Ill restore it. Have a 1855 big cent that was entirely green, appeared almost worn slick and you couldnt make out the last number of the date. Put it in salt and vinegar for a little while and out came a pretty copper coin that had legible liberty on the crown (corrosion had entirely hidden it), very nice detail and a distinct lack of green anywhere on the coin.

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Would you be interested in selling the collection? Contact me on Instagram if so. @rockysramblings

I feel that for the test, you should send the same coins with exact same imperfections to get a real comparison between vendors. Just my opinion but it seems right.

Acetone cleaning of foreign debris off of the original surfaces of a coin has LONG been considered a market acceptable practice and usually is considered more of a “good” conservation method vs. a “bad” cleaning method designed to alter the surface of the coin to enhance its appearance. Even a light dip in EZest is widely considered to be a “market acceptable” technique that rides the thin line between conservation and cleaning. Which side it falls upon largely depends on the experience and skill of the “dipper” who not only must know how to dip properly, but how to correctly assess which coins are good candidates for a dip and which are not. If done right, neither acetone or light dips on good candidate coins should cause a TPG service to slab it as “details - cleaned.”

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

Im surprised by the eZest one. Acetone doesn’t seem to do much from the coins I’ve used it on so that is understandably acceptable. EZest scares me. I very rarely use it. It just seems to harsh, but like you said. If it’s the right coin I will dip it quickly just to give it that slight enhancement.

I think ANACS is just as good as NGC & PCGS overall.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Grading is the same as far as I’ve seen. Service is way better. Turnaround time is miles ahead of PCGS. I’m very happy with them

@IndianHeadBuffalloNickelMS65

7 ай бұрын

Might be the case but they sell for less in a Anacs holder so if I was planning on reselling any Coin that is Valuable I would send to Pcgs

I predicted these exact results, this test would need to be done on coins that are dirty for it to really tell us anything

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

I’m not sure why. It’s the same method used on a dirty or circulated coin with a more reflective or mirrored surface. Maybe if you are assuming the dirty material would damage the surface? I have sent in circulated coins that I used the same method on and they did have dirt on them and got the same results.

If you want to scrub the coin. First remove all the debris, the minerals and salts. Then you can scrub with anything softer than silver. But if you use something hard like a toothpick and you push to hard you can burnish the coins original polish patterns. Basically it does not scratch the silver it just smears its surfaces. That's a Cartwheel killer! be carful with that Stranger. Carboners work best it you ask me, on a very clean Thumb. Note Skin does not scratch silver.

Great video .. I'll have to go back and watch the "cleaning" video .. as I fell asleep half way through.. (that's my mental strain.. not you) but I've watched quite a few videos on this subject , including those from "so called" professional graders/conservation companies .. and in their workshops they have dozens of cleaning chemicals ... so they use them to "conserve" coins.. I would say send a mix... some slabbed to cross , and break others out and send raw! that would be great to see with PCGS and NGC .. The reason I'm doing a lot of research is because I've had a few coins (gold sovereigns) come back "details cleaned" from NGC .. and these I've had between fifteen and twenty years.. not in capsules .. just in display case .. and I have never cleaned or rubbed the surface of them.. and if they were "cleaned" a hundred to two hundred years ago.. surely they can allow for something like that! I personally have searched through the databases and registries and seen coins that are in worse condition and actually look like they've been cleaned .. and yet they have been given numerical grades... MS 63 upwards ... I think it's about time these companies are called out for their BS grades ... and maybe the fact that if, you do the same .. it's details cleaned .. if they do it .. comes back numerical grade after conservation.. Appreciate you posting these videos ... but maybe the final proof would be to send those coins to PCGS and NGC ...

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

I intend to send some to PCGS to see what happens. It should be interesting at least. Gold is such a soft metal it unfortunately gets the details grade often. It sucks that pcgs will take LITERALLY any kind of scuff and call it cleaned. But I’m happy my voice is soothing enough to put you to sleep 😂

I think the main reason they didn't get details is that they were proof uncirculated. I feel like unless it's a somewhat circulated coin that has been cleaned, the grading companies couldn't tell.

@rockysramblings

8 ай бұрын

Well I chose to clean proofs because I figured if any scratches were gonna show on a circulated coin then they should definitely show on a proof coin. I would think they’d look closely at it whether it’s a proof or not but maybe you’re on to something. I have sent in Circulated coins as well tho and slipped it past them.

PCGS is all about the fees, same with NGC

Soaking in REMBRANT in direct intense light, multiple times for hours eats away fine lines left from cleaning, they have to be very fine though. Um ya eats them away.

Oh heelz yeah

Hi Rocky, wow that was a revelation to hear you speak and see your video, I'm a novice starting out and I have the coins of value as seen on PCGS coin values but they dont look like your coins new and shiny, iv categorized them and sent it to experts and they said its not good enough, your videos though me a lot, can i send you some photos and you can advise me acordingly, do you charge something, pl let me know.

@rockysramblings

6 ай бұрын

You can contact me through Instagram @ RockysRamblings

Great job, Try out the new CAC gradeing system, They have a whole bunch of pissed off people, I have a Morgan dollar that was a MS-62 by ANACS in a old soapbox holder. it came back from CAC as a Cleaned AU. The graders should be useing the same standards when gradeing. I know CAC is tough and ANACS not so much and PCGS and NGC are in the middle . They need to get their act together.

@rockysramblings

5 ай бұрын

That sounds like something I don’t want to experience 😅 Ever since my troubles with pcgs I have been using ANACS and they have done a great job. I even got some that I felt were under graded. They’re pretty thorough and they are so much faster. I really like that I don’t have to wait 6 months for grades. My first submission came back in two weeks. Usually it takes a month on average.

that intro is wild 💀💀💀 my mom heard it n thought i was watching phub 💀

@rockysramblings

4 ай бұрын

You gotta ask her why she knows 😂