Starmer's Labour Party totally depresses me, wonderful people like Clare Short cheer me up.

Great to see Clare short it seems like another lifetime when we had people like her in parliament

@OrwellsHousecat

Жыл бұрын

+ Anne Widdecombe

@colinbrigham8253

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@tippysdaddy7468

Жыл бұрын

@@OrwellsHousecat Widdecombe who left Tory to join Farage Brexit Party, also a calls herself Christian, but is a hypocrite, who insisted pregnant prisoners be chained up while they gave birth. Has been described as a vicious far right Horror bag.

@OrwellsHousecat

Жыл бұрын

@@tippysdaddy7468 well, when you describe her like that you make her sound much more appealing than anyone in the Labour Party

@elaineedgar2913

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful Claire Short. Decades ago she encouraged me to stand as a candidate! We need people like Claire today. Now Labour has lost the plot, lost a lot of members (including me) too because of Starmer.

Starmer's purges have left me with no party I could vote for.

@johnfitzpatrick3197

Жыл бұрын

Try Green- Novara the other day ibtervieed Corby's former advisor, who joined the Greens. He said it's far better and open minded, but needs radicals like us to leaven the "lib-dem" elements in it. As a former very committedCorbynite, I see this as just about the only way forward In any case absolutely nothing whatsoever touches the urgency of mass extinction.

@tzaph67

Жыл бұрын

Same with me. I may vote Green but will have to investigate further.

@johnsopel3804

Жыл бұрын

Same with me. As a life long Labour voter I will not vote Labour again while Tony Blair 2 is in charge.

@joeg46Highlands

Жыл бұрын

@@tzaph67 Sadly the purging of the North Tyne sitting mayor drives another nail in the coffin lid of Labour's socialism.

How great to hear from Clare Short again. Please have her back.

Keep up your brilliant work Crispin. Some one needs to be the one to say 'the emperor has no clothes.' ♥️🇮🇪🕊🇵🇸🍀

I remember how she was vilified by the establishment for talking about women with their boobs out on Page 3! It seems like madness looking back on it now that people would even think it was normal.

Thank you Claire and Crispin 😊 Starmers strangulation of the labour party will fall apart, but when 🤔

@nigelhardy7218

Жыл бұрын

It will indeed. It's a sad and worrying state of affairs that Labour has become timid in its need to form the next govt. Like Claire says it needs to control the extremists views that have blighted the party, but becoming a caucus of yes men only stores up trouble for later. The worry is what if after five years Starmer's Labour govt have let us down badly. The Tories could regroup in time but if they've become diminished rabble question is what then.

@wendyjones5853

Жыл бұрын

YES IF WE CONSIDER THIS STARMER GUY HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION FOR MANY YEARS , AND GET THIS ,? HE HAS ONLY SERVED ONE TERM AS A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT SINCE HE VERY CRUELLY ABUSED , HARRASSED , PERSECUTED LEGACY LEFTIST JEREMY CORBYN ,STARMER HAS RESUMED THE CENTRIST PROGRESSIVE POLICIES OF ARCH GLOBALIST BLAIR , STARMER COMES WITH A DANGER WARNING ! DONT VOTE LABOUR , VOTE NO ONE AND GOVERN YOURSELVES

@Pfth

Жыл бұрын

@@nigelhardy7218 Shortly after it forms the next government - ultimately, like the Blair and Brown administrations, it will make Labour unelectable for many, many years to come.

@nigelhardy7218

Жыл бұрын

@@Pfth Well let's face it, the Labour Party has long miserable history of getting into govt and subsequently throwing its toys out the pram for doing so. Is it any wonder they spend so long on the opposition benches.

@johnsopel3804

Жыл бұрын

Sir K will only gain power because of the current disarray of the Tories. He won't get it on merit.

So nice to see Clare and hear true socialism. The shame is she would not be chosen today by the Labour exec. The party is the poorer for their new 'narrow capitalism policies'.

@Papillion-Man

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Having been a labour voter all my life, I'm totally disgusted with starmers leadership. It's a dictatorship now, and I'm worried about the direction they are going.

@fredfredrickson5436

Жыл бұрын

Short's comment that some limit has to be placed on The Left (of course) exposes both her centrist instincts and the constraining parameters of tolerance the establishment have calibrated to subvert democratic agency and expectation, but she's of course correct that those parameters are closing. Looks like the Corbyn project spooked those entrenched reactionary forces good and proper, which is something the government Short served in never came close to doing.

@DeanJuvenal

Жыл бұрын

Short never was and certainly isn’t now, any type of socialist or Socialist.

@annenunney9907

Жыл бұрын

@@Papillion-Man quite agree

@DeepTitanic

Жыл бұрын

'True Socialism' would be a worker run state such as the USSR or Cuba. Ironically the reason why you can't have a decent Labour party is because the Atlee government created the IRD.. An anti Communist propaganda unit that pushed lines like "Stalinism". During the cold war in the Wilson government the IRD & anti Communist forces were used to purge the left of the Labour party and carried on until there was only Liberals left. So here we are with 2 identical parties much like in the USA. But at least we're not 'Stalinists' (what ever that means).

I'm a big fan of Claire Short. Lovely to see her and to hear her speak out!

Excellent interview. We may be politically homeless but there's a warm welcome at NTAMS

It is a joy to hear Clare Short speaking again. Absolutely no disagreement with her views.

Yeh what a dire situation,; indeed like a Kafka Novel. Thank you Clare (especially for the Heads Up about joining 'Unite Community') and Thank you Crispin

Great to hear from people like Claire Short.

About time we had a "none of the above" box to tick at elections which more civilised nations have.

@jananilcolonoscopu4034

Жыл бұрын

That'd be as much of a waste of time as voting for any of the clowns would be, because no-one would pay a blind bit of notice even if a high percentage of people voted "none of the above". Save yourself the walk to the polling station altogether.

@johnwright9372

Жыл бұрын

Australia has an abstention option but unlike in the UK voting is mandatory.

@junglie

Жыл бұрын

@@johnwright9372 new zealand & denmark too i think.

@kwakkers68

Жыл бұрын

Removing the Private Sector from elections' admin is vital! What scope corruption?!

@keithhallam1155

Жыл бұрын

Abstain does not show, I deliberately spoil the ballot paper. I draw in an extra row at the bottom (one box for the candidate's name, and a space for the X), with a cross next to whoever I nominate. For example put in Corbyn / Scargill / etc, then put the X next to them. All spoilt ballots are shown to the representatives of the candidates at the count; if a ballot paper has an X on it there will be closer scrutiny, all have to agree it is not a vote for one of the 'approved' candidates.

More ex labour MPs need to speak out !!!

Labour isn't 'timing & cautious', it's just biding it's time for super radical Authoritarianism

@fmj9346

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Starmer is very dangerous.

@OrwellsHousecat

Жыл бұрын

@@fmj9346 Tony Blair is his boss

@roni7172

Жыл бұрын

@@fmj9346 I will never vote Labour again because of him.

@DJWESG1

Жыл бұрын

@Orwell's Housecat mandleson is boss. Blair was just those bloke they used to bastardise giddens interpretation of Beck.

@OrwellsHousecat

Жыл бұрын

@@DJWESG1 I don't get the gidens/Beck reference. I agree that unseen others are behind others who we see. Check out Tony blair's full 1hour speech at Imperial college last year for the road plan of our next 20years.

Labour needs a leadership election. I vote for Clare Short!

I have been a fan of Clare for dozens of years. Great to hear her speak. And she has joined Unite Community and I am also an ex LP member and an a member of Unite Community. If your not a member of your local Unite Community group, please join. Our group in Swansea are a great bunch of people who are socialists through and through.

@georgejob2156

Жыл бұрын

I intend to tick every box on my ballot paper and get it rejected, Starmer can gtf here in Scotland, snake in the grass ...

@therealrobertbirchall

Жыл бұрын

Left Unite née T&G after Sharon Graham was installed as gen sec.

Sounds like we aren't really a democrazy?

@eversonthomas8922

Жыл бұрын

We aren't, we a 'managed democracy'. You can stand for election as long as you stick to the program.

Good to see Clare discussing what should be discussed,thanks to NoT the Andrew Marr show!!!

Great to hear an ex politician speak her mind, unfortunately freedom of speech appears to be a no go area, in the current climate.

They won't speak against war because it is making money for black rock. Who both parties chat with at davos👀🤮

A woman of integrity as with Robin Cook. True Labour. Got a lot harassment for her anti Page 3 campaign from that revolting Rebekka Brooks. Love you Claire ❤️

Clare was one of the good ones with political principles

@ashleywilson2072

Жыл бұрын

.. which is why she had to go!

@fredfredrickson5436

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleywilson2072 I suppose the point is that two decades ago Short, Cook, et al elected to voluntarily resign on a point of principled objection, but that in this determinedly post-ethical, institutionally coopted era, systemic filters increasingly prevent people of genuine moral substance ever climbing to a position where they might make such a grand public gesture.

@seanpercival26

Жыл бұрын

She did not resign. SHE VOTED FOR THE IRAQ WAR. She put her career before her principles. Get your facts right.

@fredfredrickson5436

Жыл бұрын

@@seanpercival26 Yeah, it's been a while and my memory of her career had grown somewhat dim in the intervening years. Your mention of her vote did spark some recollection of being puzzled by her ethically inconsistent stances at the time though (I wasn't much more than a kid and still quite politically naive.) I've just been over to her Wikipedia page to refresh my memory of her record; it's quite the chequered account, but still better than that of the majority of her peers.

@normankennith7919

Жыл бұрын

DITTO!!!!!

Claire is a tower of integrity - ❤

Starmers labour is another branch of the Tories

@angelamasia9911

Жыл бұрын

Known as red tories

Great to see Clare. Wonderful. Not many like her about now!

If no overall majority, the only party I can see Sir K being interested in working with is the Tories. At least, during his tenure as leader, I've seen no great depth of evidence to suggest the contrary.

@junglie

Жыл бұрын

Who do you think he really works for like his predessor B.Liar.

@casteretpollux

Жыл бұрын

Two secret coalition summits in 2 days - your right..

@indricotherium4802

Жыл бұрын

@@junglie : one can see him doing any top job for the Establishment e.g. head of DPP, head of MI5. It's hard to understand why he's leader of the Labour Party unless this is a job that now falls into the same category.

@lat1419

Жыл бұрын

@@indricotherium4802 spot on.

I'm 73 and I joined the Labour party because of Corbyn. I thought at last a socialist as a leader of a socialist party but when I discovered Starmer was taking advice from Mandleson and Blair I lost hope. I will still vote for Labour with a heavy heart. Will we never have a party that wants to institute a sorely needed change?

@smithersjones7541

Жыл бұрын

I think this is exactly what they want: a disillusioned and neutered left which still votes for them. It’s a terrible situation from what we almost had only a short time ago.

@briandelaney9710

Жыл бұрын

Labour can’t win just on the left vote in the UK. It’s the old purity out of power vs being able to actually do something for people in power

@chriswatson3464

23 күн бұрын

Vote against Starmer!

I noticed from the beginning that Starmer is timid. He always has a worried look on his face.

@tonytroughton-smith5465

Жыл бұрын

I think he's constantly in fear of his paymasters, hence that expression you're talking about. He should be in fear of us instead! 🤬

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

If you were an MP... and you told the lies he told... and broke the pledges he made... you too would look worried.

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

... it's just a matter of time...

@Pfth

Жыл бұрын

God knows what his superiors would do to him if he disobeyed them.

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

@@Pfth... No £ mega paid 2hrs/month job from Mishcon de Reya when he leaves politics...

Sooo good to hear from Clare Short again - always loved listening to her during the Blair years. She was often what seemed like a lone voice of reason among a pack of rabid, disingenuous right-wingers. And she was tough too - didn't back down - a real trooper!

Good to hear from you Clare 🌈🌍

Whatever Mr Starmer says,or does,none of the current Labour MP's have said anything..The SILENCE of the Cemetery, that's today's Labour Party.Sad. About time Jeremy Corbyn & his Labour supporters go on the offensive.

Good on you Clare .. .. ..

What a shame she has gone from Labour

@gmlpc7132

Жыл бұрын

True but at least she now can express herself freely. If she said such things even just as a member - let alone a candidate or an MP - she would be expelled from the Party.

@Pfth

Жыл бұрын

@@gmlpc7132 She wouldn't last five minutes under Starmer. She was very close to being bumped off during the Blair administration for her views on Iraq, wasn't she? She's been so low profile since then that I wondered if she'd been blackmailed to keep quiet!

The Labour Party have employed a former Israeli IDF agent as the social media officer ! What more can you say about how the Al Jezeera report on Israeli infiltration of the LP was spot on!

Not just the stalwarts of the old left would have been purged; Roy Hattersley, Roy Jenkins, even Dennis Healy would have been thought too independent minded for this version of Labour

Labour only ever attempts to manage the economy but not to transform it by redistributing wealth more evenly across the various classes.Blair and Brown had no expectation of being able to do anything radical before they attained power and Starmer is similarly seeking office by not scaring older voters in particular and minimising attacks from the largely right wing media which likes things largely as they have been since Thatcher.

She pulled her punch and flamed out resigned two weeks too late when it might have stopped the war.

@OrwellsHousecat

Жыл бұрын

👍🏽

@johnwright9372

Жыл бұрын

Robin Cook resigned but it didn't stop the war.

@jos3g679

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts and memory of the terrible saga…she came through but dragged her feet doing so…

@rustyk4645

Жыл бұрын

I expected more from Clare Short and the Backbenchers at the time. I was very disappointed and had a dalliance with George Galloway's party for a while, till he decided he was Rula Lenska's pussycat.

@casteretpollux

Жыл бұрын

When will people get it that the current war is a proxy war against Rrussia and economic war against Europe?

Never was a fan of CS but she's clearly right on this - and incidentally took her time to resign from Blairs cabinet but surely the point is this. Labour is a broad alliance: Starmer has just destroyed this. On international issues there is very little difference between Srtarmer and Sunak. Ken Clark could easily be part of a Starmer Government - he would be seen as one of the radicals. Perhaps we should consider now campaigning AGAINST Labour so it doesn't get elected.

'self hating jew' is a particularly nasty phrase used by the right towards any jew who criticises Israel. It aligns with other phrases like 'politics of envy' and 'champange socialist'. Glib terms useful to any faction wanting to close down dissent. Good video.

A great discourse on the current Labour party. Sad that we are in this situation.

thank you for this, we need more Clare Short a truly decent public figure

I am one of thousands that have left the membership of the Labour party(after 40 years) - how much is Starmer costing this movement?

The cancellation of peace activists with regard to the Ukraine war is deeply disturbing.

Why is being against apartheid radical ?

Well said Crispin and Clare

We need real labour

Great to hear Claire Short again.

Clare Short isn't even that left wing; she's just a social democrat with an imagination. She can see what's happening with Labour's implosion and realises it can't sustain itself based on its current trajectory

'They should have all stood together ' when threatened with keeping names on the Stop The War letter. If memory serves me correctly, a certain Claire Short did not 'Stand Together ' with her fellow MPs when Tony Blair first declared War on Iraq. The thought of losing access to power is a powerful disciplinary tool....

Clare Short says you have to allow left voices in the party...as long as they're not TOO left and "then you have to deal with that." This is exactly the same problem, just the line of acceptibility is being moved just a tiny bit.

I don't know how anyone could vote for a labour leader that doesn't stand with the workers it is beyond me what labour stand for anymore

Doesn't Michael Crick know that Tony Blair has advised Starmer to get rid of the Left?

I like Claire just a shame she initially backed Blair war crimes, but her subsequent resignation was honourable.

''There has to be some limit on the Left' < there's the big reveal! Just another Establishment rep!

What I cannot forgive Clare for was her ridiculous 1997 statement to Zimbabwe, saying Britain would not pay the UK debt to Zimbabwe. She said "We are a new government from diverse backgrounds, without links to former colonial interests. My own origins are Irish and, as you know, we were colonised, not colonisers." Imagine if the UK govt & bankers met with the Mexican government to discuss repayment of a huge debt Mexico owed, and the Mexican finance minister said the debt did not apply any more, because his family were from Honduras. The UK people would leave the meeting, and recommend psychiatric treatment for the Mexican minister.

The real discussion is why are we spending billions on killing and not talking about the climate? Barb

@briancrowther3272

Жыл бұрын

Killing is safe, climate is scary!!!

Brilliant ❤

A new, left-wing political party might develop through the unions.

@moomin7461

Жыл бұрын

The green party is left wing

@mbrierley144brierley3

Жыл бұрын

@@moomin7461 I know but I can't see it becoming a mainstream political giant in this country. Get Mick Lynch or his ilk (lots of powerful women union leaders too) a parliamentary seat as an independent then see what happens. Right now, we have two sides of the same coin with the current Tory party and Starmer.

@moomin7461

Жыл бұрын

@@mbrierley144brierley3 It needs labour to not get a majority. They would then have to adopt PR (a condition for the lib Dems support). Then it would no longer have to be a two party state (mostly one party state).

@mbrierley144brierley3

Жыл бұрын

@@moomin7461 It would need a constitutional change and turkeys don't vote for Chtistmas. As it stands, a bill to propose PR would never get through Parliament.

@moomin7461

Жыл бұрын

@@mbrierley144brierley3 Unless we get PR, things will never change.

If it was actual “Stalinism” it might actually be half decent. This is strickly a Liberal identiarian technocracy.

@henrypierce8900

Жыл бұрын

Starmers stranglehold on debate in the party and the purges are stalinist!

I managed to get on the audience Question Time during the Blair years, I was dying to have a go at the Labour spokesperson, imagine my horror when I found it was Clair- not only was she wholly credible and reasonable, and what was more after the show -she didn't run away to the green room, but stayed and talked to members of audience afterwards

My respect as always to. lair Short!🌹

Very good to hear from Clare Short, the unions haven't become more radical it only seems that way because the labour party has become more conservative !

I am soooo disappointed in Keir Starmer and his stance on Ukraine. His criticism of the Stop the War Coalition seems misplaced: who in their right mind wants this war to continue when the longer it goes on the more Ukrainian and Russian lives are lost? Who is speaking for them? I even hear some Ukrainian anti-war voices are being silenced by Zelensky, who evidently loves play-acting the role of 'Churchill' during a visit when Parliament stood up to applaud him as he asked for more weapons. Of course it doesn't put Putin in the right! But there has to be an diplomatic endgame: nuclear annihilation or a long drawn-out protracted war for years and years worsening the cost of living crisis for ordinary people are not an option. It really is a pity that Starmer isn't showing the leadership on this issue I would like to see. Instead, it's the same old beating of the drums of war rhetoric of Bush and Blair, he's so conventional and unimaginative in his political thinking. It looks like the US has gained yet another British poodle, which doesn't bode well for the future of British sovereignty, security and trading standards under a Labour government.

@casteretpollux

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@DJWESG1

Жыл бұрын

Sir Keith doesn't know what the tory party is. He is new to poltics and probably never studied history.

@terryhand

Жыл бұрын

The only diplomatic endgame for Putin is the complete cultural genocide of Ukraine. How revealing that most of you useful idiots are either on the far left or the extreme libertarian right. Learn some history, listen to Russian TV, or at least listen to what Putin has been saying for the past decade. Are you going to say the same thing when Russia invades the Baltic States or Poland?

We need our mass working class party Stand as TUSC

5:45 - 2 subjects we NEVER hear in US/UK politics: Julian Assange & No to NATO/No to UKR.

I was hounded out of Labour for daring to talk publicly about my experiences working in the West Bank.

Short is delusional about “All standing together” over the Stop the War campaign and letter. SS Starmer has so much control of the Party machine that he would and could have had those PLP members stopped from running as Labour Candidates.

My sad suspicion is that Short sees strengthening of Left Labour opposition to Starmer and is moving to head it off. But this IS a sign of the potential for building a powerful anti-war Left in Britain.

Labour's slight recovery in Scotland is totally down to attracting Tory voters but they are still miles behind the SNP

She may have pretty soon regretted it but Clare Short did vote for the Iraq war.

So great to see Clare Short given some air time. A great politician with strong principles, that appear to be missing from the current party leadership. On a superficial level, clare hasn't aged

Wonderful,

Hello Claire, long time no see! Barb

I left the Labour Party and joined the Green Party. Thanks for the tip about joining Unite.

The best place to go is to join The Workers Party Of Britain.

The Unions aren't being radical. They're being responsible and representative and honest. That's not radical.

great lady good to see

I gave up on John McDonnell and Richard Burgon etc after the Stop the War thing. I don't bother listening to them any more.

I remember mp clare short, very good politian,, she was right about the Iraq war, it's good to hear from her bless her, Alot of respect of this honest politian, 👌

No dialogue...no debate...no dissent ...don't rock the boat!!

Many traditional Conservative voters are dismayed by this Government and I pray they defect to the Liberal Democrats rather than vote Labour. The Labour Party (as it stands) are to the right of the Liberal Democrats on policy. In fact, many backbenchers on the Tory side would feel happy to vote 🗳 for their policies

At least she kept her integrity. Good on her

Lovely chat despite the horror that is Starmer. Keep on, keeping on comrades.

What the modern Labour Party is missing people like this woman 👩 👍👍😊

Thanks so much for posting

It´s a problem of FPTP. The two different concepts of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism should theoretically produce two parties. By PR this is the case here in Germany with the SPD and Die Linke. These can then cooperate ( or form coalitions) when they wish or not. There is a flexibility present not present in the British system.

I miss people like Claire. I won’t be able to say the same about Streeting, Starmer et al when they go.

Well said Clare and Crispin. Kafka Starmer or Kier Stalin 😂

@skyblazeeterno

Жыл бұрын

I refer to Starmer as Mere Starmer...he's so weak imo. That guy Crick is right a strong leader would not be worried about a broad church

"You're a lapsed Quaker, I'm a lapsed Catholic; we all need somewhere to do our moral bit." I'm a lapsed Methodist and I agree. I think Clare's great, we need more people like her in politics.

Like so many, I find Starmer's Labour Party utterly depressing.

So true

Clare was a genuine Labour MP.

Clare has true integrity

Please if not already done would NTAMS cover the " cross party " secret summits? Is this prep for a right wing coalition including Labour ?

Everything I agree with

Good to see Clare Short. Respect for resigning over the Iraq war - don;t hear any voices over Ukraine - A peace deal agreed between Russia and Ukraine and skuppered by Boris and Biden - really no one to speak out about that and debate another view??? How times have changed. Seems that the political parties are now owned by the corporations that fund them

Clare Short is an amazing honest person wish she was labour leader.

I emailed my M.P. recently on a serious public health issue. He knows it's an issue but, in his answer to me , he just carried the Labour Leaders orders. He's too afraid of de- selection to give me his true answer. Therefore, as a lifelong Socialist, I cannot vote for him. He was extremely upset that , because of the scientific proof from very reputable scientists, he went onto the attack and accused me of being complicit in letting the Tories back in at the next election. There were other slurs too , but I see it as people like him are letting the Tories in. I've actively supported Labour in the past, pre Blair days. If he cannot make a stand and bring democracy to the party, my conscience won't let me vote for him. I've now joined the Greens. I cannot vote for a totalitarian party , which behave like children in the House. The braying from both sides is embarrassing.