Clans to Classes: How the Soviets Built Kazakhstan

How did early Soviet nationality policies affect the history of Kazakhstan? What might be the legacies of those policies today? This video will cover a brief history of Soviet nation-building and how the (early) Soviet attitudes towards nationalist movements of oppressed groups informed the creation (at times out of nothing) of the Kazakh identity.
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Narration, script, and editing by M
Animated intro by Jack, co-host of the Auxiliary Statements podcast @AuxStatements on Twitter.
Intro music by Charles Tristan:
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References
Douglas, N. (2001). Nationalizing Backwardness: Gender, Empire, and Uzbek Identity. In A State of Nations: Empire and Nation-Making in the Age of Lenin and Stalin (pp. 191-220). Oxford University Press Inc.
Edgar, A. L. (2006). Tribal Nation: The Making of Soviet Turkmenistan. Princeton University Press.
Martin, T. (2001). An Affirmative Action Empire: The Soviet Union as the Highest Form of Imperialism. In A State of Nations: Empire and Nation-Making in the Age of Lenin and Stalin (pp. 67 - 90). Oxford University Press.
Payne, M. (2001). The Forge of the Kazakh Proletariat: The Turksib, Nativization, and Industrialization during Stalin's First Five-Year Plan. In A State of Nations: Empire and Nation-Making in the Age of Lenin and Stalin (pp. 223 - 252). Oxford University Press Inc.
Payne, M. J. (2001). Stalin's Railroad: Turksib and the Building of Socialism. University of Pittsburgh Press.
Suny, R. G., Martin, T., & Martin, T. D. (Eds.). (2001). A State of Nations: Empire and Nation-making in the Age of Lenin and Stalin. Oxford University Press.
Ubiria, G. (2016). Soviet Nation-building in Central Asia: The Making of the Kazakh and Uzbek Nations. Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group.
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  • @dimashalchinbayev8067
    @dimashalchinbayev80672 жыл бұрын

    I am gonna be honest, I was very skeptical about this video when I first saw the title and clicked on it only because of 'marxist' in the name of the channel. I am glad I did. It was a very well put, informative, and concise breakdown. Not only that, it was very well-informed and respectful, as well. Great video, u just got a new subscriber from Kz! P.S. Чувак, отличное видео! Салам из Казахстана 👍

  • @christopher9727

    @christopher9727

    10 ай бұрын

    .. Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Holy Spirit Can give you peace guidance and purpose and the Lord will John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

  • @mYnAME-ww9iv
    @mYnAME-ww9iv2 жыл бұрын

    It has been the year of Our Lord 2022, when someone decided to remember that my country really exists. Most of the things you said are spot on: the rapid change of our nomadic, feudal-like lifestyle into the industrial state was very harsh. And although, we Kazakhs don't actually think it's bad (for we had for a very long time been told to "wake up") it's just that it happened so rapidly that we kinda adopted the "Russian proletariat culture", as you put it. Even today, almost 100 years since creation of USSR and 30 years since out independence, Kazakhstani divide things into 'russian' and 'kazakh', into something progressive yet alien, and traditional even backwater yet familiar. And to same fashion as some US people divide each other by race, most of Kazakhstani people divide each other by how 'Russian' or 'Kazakh' someone is. This rift is furthered by political elite and bourgeoisie to keep the status quo. Only with Yntymaq (solidarity in kazakh) between the people, regardless of our differences, can we as a whole achieve anything! P.S. these protests ARE class protests, these protests were organized by people (oilers and miners who already have experience of such activities) and were supported by the people. Love from KZ.

  • @brentchaffin9603

    @brentchaffin9603

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you have the time/energy, could you give your thoughts on western, mostly US, influences trying to guide the protests toward anti- Russia and anti-China goals? It looks like to me as an outsider that popular protests are being subverted for US benefit

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your comment. I'm really happy to hear from a Kazakh perspective that the video was accurate Im curious to know: where do you think the country is going in the next few years?

  • @mYnAME-ww9iv

    @mYnAME-ww9iv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brentchaffin9603 The US definitely has a lot of interests in the Central Asia, not just to screw with Russia and China. But the West doesn't have much influence over here except for the European joint agreements or the Radio Freedom (that has a separate chapter in every of the post-Soviet republics). However, as I am currently seeing it here, people really distrust the government (in our post-Soviet context: govt and capitalist class are essentially fused together, because of immense degree of corruption and cronyism those who are closest to power get all the spoils). I can't really say for sure whether or not US is involved somehow in these protests but people definitely have the consciousness and a lot of them are suspicious of any encroachments on our independence, be it Russia, US or China.

  • @mYnAME-ww9iv

    @mYnAME-ww9iv

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject It's hard to say actually. People here are becoming more conscious about their conditions which means that there still will be a lot of protests in the future. However, what I fear is the lack of organized socialist opposition AND there prominence of liberal opposition. In other words, there are some of young people who think that the problem is JUST govt and not the system. They think that by just removing corruption and embracing capitalism everything is going to flourish, as in some kind of Milton Freedman tale. Although speaking to them, there are not alien to the social and economic equality and definitely see SOME benefits in socialist reforms. Raising their awareness of the true sources of problems in our country is our job. So to answer the question: I don't really know which way we are headed, it seems like a silence before storm, the storm being the direction our World is heading right now. But hey, in the turbulence of the time revolutions are born, that's how USSR came to be, so maybe we (as in the whole world)are just headed that way, towards the Revolution?

  • @brentchaffin9603

    @brentchaffin9603

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mYnAME-ww9iv thanks for that perspective! Yeah i try my best to keep up with everything US and NATO are doing in Central Asia and Eastern Europe, so I wasn't sure if this is one of things to watch out for or if there's more nuance to it. Appreciate it comrade

  • @omarqasirov8754
    @omarqasirov87542 жыл бұрын

    Wow. I was really wary of the video based on the history of Soviets in Central Asia but this was fairly sympathetic to the Kazakh and Central Asian pov. Thank you.

  • @ComradeCorwin

    @ComradeCorwin

    2 жыл бұрын

    The communist movement that has re-emerged lately seems to have learned a lot from past mistakes. Far less defensive dogma than before, more grassroots. As it should be.

  • @MrCarlWax

    @MrCarlWax

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ComradeCorwin That is not a fair description of the older communist movements, it's rather a description of the revisionism within the soviet union with Khrushchev

  • @ComradeCorwin

    @ComradeCorwin

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MrCarlWax I was thinking along the lines of more recent devolutions that became pretty common. Up until a few years ago the movement, in many places, had become stagnant and traumatized. That appears to be changing.

  • @MrCarlWax

    @MrCarlWax

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ComradeCorwin Ah I see, I can't comment on those movements compared to the current ones. But I have seen an increase in class and material consciousness in people in general which probably is thanks to the increase in interest of Marxism because of the decline of living standards in even the imperial core.

  • @christopher9727

    @christopher9727

    10 ай бұрын

    . Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

  • @humanrightsadvocate
    @humanrightsadvocate2 жыл бұрын

    The problem with socialism is that it requires... thinking. Capitalism is much easier ‒ big fish eats little fish.

  • @RextheRebel

    @RextheRebel

    Жыл бұрын

    There's always a bigger fish. Not to mention, humans are more social than fish. And even if we weren't, a bunch of fish can survive and take on a single big fish.

  • @humanrightsadvocate

    @humanrightsadvocate

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RextheRebel Above being social, humans are adaptive. If the environment favors a dog eat dog attitude, humans will eat each other. There was a movie made back in the day, "They Shoot Horses Don't They". And then Fear Factor came and destroyed that movie, proving that humans will do _anything_ not just for money and not just to survive and not just because they're starving.

  • @despa7726

    @despa7726

    Жыл бұрын

    This is essentially the thinking of the bourgeoisie's capitulation in the face of the Economic Calculation Problem. Simply because it is easier to not think does not mean that we should not think, if thinking means massive improvement of society. That is why planning should not be discarded because of its difficulty, but instead focused on.

  • @humanrightsadvocate

    @humanrightsadvocate

    Жыл бұрын

    @@despa7726 I'm not saying capitalism is better than an economic model based on the scientific and sustainable management of resources. I'm saying that because we as humans are notoriously bad at thinking, we would rather accept a shitty system that is easy to understand (despite homelessness, crime and people eating from garbage bins), as opposed to even entertaining the idea of an alternative. Our need to stay in the comfort zone is greater than our disgust toward our condition. Thinking right is unpleasant. Committing logical fallacies feels good, especially when you fool someone. Lying feels good. Being lied to feels good. Being told the truth hurts. It's like we're designed to fail as a species. I don't know if all these... personality traits can be corrected through education. But even if it could be done, why would we do it? Already there are people at the top who are against this. And the top controls the zombies. You see, the zombies and the top actually want the same thing. People want to have jobs. The elite want people to keep wanting to have jobs.

  • @waspwrap1235

    @waspwrap1235

    Жыл бұрын

    Capitalism-big fish eat little fish Communism-all fish eat, all fish provide things other fish want AND need

  • @pressftopayrespects6325
    @pressftopayrespects63252 жыл бұрын

    I love being on time to some of these vids. People talk too much about how bad the soviets were but they don’t get what many places looked like before the USSR.

  • @shady8045

    @shady8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    kinda funny that the "a vote against biden is a vote for trump" crowd is the people that gloss over the fact that the most rabid anti soviet demographic were the crackpots that inspired the Nazis, the most crazy example is a monarchist nostalgia group called "The black Hundreds" which were basically like a Russian KKK more or less and were the original people who forged the protocols of the learned elders of Zion. Can't imagine what the east would be like if they took power.

  • @NihilSineRex1881

    @NihilSineRex1881

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately for you the soviets were bad. I mean really really bad. Their command economics brought nothing more than world misery. Plus Kazakhstan wasn't built by the soviets btw. You can call me out on the comment but I know your and your fellow buddies' commie vatnik shtick will be a waste of time and energy.

  • @pressftopayrespects6325

    @pressftopayrespects6325

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NihilSineRex1881 Unfortunately for you, the Soviets weren’t that bad and you just didn’t do any research so you gobble up American propaganda like you gobble up Joe Bidens semen.

  • @shady8045

    @shady8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@pressftopayrespects6325 thanks for giving that reply as much credence as it deserved lmao. Seriously "Nothing more than world misery", tfw blatantly reactionary anti communist propagandists disagree with you (they do not deny the gains of the Stalinist era, they just say it "came at a cost" basically).

  • @shady8045

    @shady8045

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NihilSineRex1881 if anything is a "waste of time an energy" its responding to your hopeless rabid brain rot. I'm not obligated to tell you all the million reasons you are wrong, its you who needs to do their research

  • @juliusaugustino8409
    @juliusaugustino84092 жыл бұрын

    Book recommendations concerning this topic: The Establishment of National Republics in Soviet Central Asia by Arne Haugen, How the National Question Was Solved in Soviet Central Asia ( a Reply to Falsifiers) by R. Tuzmuhamedov and The October Revolution and the East: The Transition of the Soviet Central Asian Republics to Socialism by Yu. M. Ivanov. Good video!

  • @memoization_enjoyer
    @memoization_enjoyer2 жыл бұрын

    Yo babe, The Marxist Project just dropped a new video

  • @alexandernovikov5963
    @alexandernovikov596311 ай бұрын

    Thank you for telling us about the legacy and achievements of the USSR. The Soviet Union, despite the most difficult conditions and many mistakes, was a great and very progressive country. The whole world owes a lot to the USSR, even in the West, social reforms were largely carried out under the pressure of the successes and popularity of the USSR (especially after 1945). The experience of the USSR will still be useful in creating a new, more perfect and just world! Now I live in Russia, and it is not necessary to compare this backward country with the USSR. There is nothing in common between these countries.

  • @AlexanderHamilton-w3x

    @AlexanderHamilton-w3x

    6 ай бұрын

    THE USSR IS A COUNTRY BUILT BY CAPITALISTS! In just 10 years (1930-1940), the Americans created chemical, aviation, electrical, oil, mining, coal, metallurgical and other industries in the USSR, the largest factories in Europe for the production of cars, tractors, aircraft engines and other products. For example, the famous Stalingrad Tractor Plant was built entirely in the USA, dismantled, transported on 100 ships - and assembled in the USSR. Dneproges was built by the American company Cooper Engineering Company (and the German company Siemens). The first tanks were created at this plant. The Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ) was built by the American company Austin. The current AZLK was built according to Ford's design. The famous Magnitka is an exact replica of the iron and steel plant in Gary, Indiana. Albert Kahn Inc designed and built 500 Soviet enterprises! Albert Kahn - industrial architect of Detroit. The reason for turning to Kahn was that, having designed all Ford factories, he had developed a high-performance technology for designing industrial enterprises. In the USA, his company, with a staff of 400 people, prepared working drawings in a week, and erected the buildings of industrial enterprises in five months. Kahn was able to practically prove that he was capable of doing the same in the USSR: the STZ project was completed in record time; the building structures for it were manufactured in the USA, transported to the USSR and installed within six months. It was Albert Kahn Inc that created the school of advanced industrial architecture in the USSR. Together with the factories, cities for workers were created. Ernst May - German architect participated in the development of architectural projects for about 20 Soviet cities! Over the course of 10 years, the Americans built about 1,500 plants and factories in the USSR! About 200 thousand American engineers and technicians came to the USSR, who led an army of almost a million Gulag prisoners - plus the few pre-revolutionary personnel who remained in Russia. American professors trained three hundred thousand qualified specialists at workers' faculties - that is, all the personnel for Soviet industry for many years to come! Thus, the material basis of socialism was built by US capitalists plus the cheap labor of prisoners.

  • @atashikokoni
    @atashikokoni2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. Thanks for putting this together.

  • @samuelrosander1048
    @samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын

    Great content. Thanks for producing this stuff.

  • @cartis808s3
    @cartis808s32 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always

  • @Octoberfurst
    @Octoberfurst2 жыл бұрын

    Another excellent and informative video! Thank you comrade!

  • @dempa3
    @dempa32 жыл бұрын

    Another great video! All of our cultures contain traditions, practices and norms, which are products of societies with different material relationships, many of which have no place in a more modern and kinder society. It is truly a challenge to do away with these practices in your society, especially if it is practiced within a marginalized group. I wonder how, in reality, without the nonsense propaganda on one or other side, China interacting with the Uyghur people. By the way, on a somewhat lighter note, if anyone is interested, the Strugatsky brothers wrote interesting sci-fi books that in part discussed these issues. Hard to be a God (Трудно быть богом) and Prisoners of Power (Обитаемый остров) would be two good examples.

  • @leonascar5800
    @leonascar58002 жыл бұрын

    Hey M, i used to be in your discord server before you closed it. Not asking for a reinvite i just like the more historical vids you’ve been making and your editing gets better and better. Glad to see your channel is doing well.

  • @numbersix8919
    @numbersix8919 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you M, very informative overview of KZ indeed.

  • @animeis4eva
    @animeis4eva2 жыл бұрын

    Great vid hommie

  • @justadult3493
    @justadult3493 Жыл бұрын

    could you do the same about Georgian SSR?

  • @KazComrade
    @KazComrade8 ай бұрын

    Greetings and thanks from Kazakhstan!

  • @comrademonke101

    @comrademonke101

    5 ай бұрын

    Genuine question from someone who supports Stalin- since you are from Kazakhstan, what is your response to the alleged deadly effects of famine caused from the collectivisation efforts carried out by Stalin.

  • @samueldebeaudrap6421
    @samueldebeaudrap64212 жыл бұрын

    Obligatory algorithm-boost comment Keep up the great work

  • @socialiste_sympathique
    @socialiste_sympathique2 жыл бұрын

    Very nice video, thank you for sharing this knowledge. I would enjoy seeing content about Poland, if possible.

  • @clandestino6438
    @clandestino64382 жыл бұрын

    Excellent nuanced video comrade. For your holodomor video though, some of the sources seem to only be available in Russian. Can you please link English versions of the sources?

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, if there was only a Russian version, that means I wasn't able to find any English versions. Sadly there's some good literature out there on these topics that isn't available in English (for now).

  • @maxiremastered6364
    @maxiremastered63642 жыл бұрын

    Great work!. From Colombia ;).

  • @trumuh
    @trumuh2 жыл бұрын

    great vid btw. are you guys planning on doing another video on china anytime in the future?

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Definitely. Not sure what yet, but there'll be more.

  • @brentchaffin9603

    @brentchaffin9603

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject do a history of one of China's autonomous regions like Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc. We need more videos educating people on the history of the country that couldn't be colonized

  • @trumuh

    @trumuh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject ok good to know 👍

  • @dtab276
    @dtab2762 жыл бұрын

    Can you please do a video of the development of Soviet Armenia? thank you so much

  • @revolutionaryape7568
    @revolutionaryape75682 жыл бұрын

    Great Video comrade ✊ People like you are the ones who will bring a true change in the society! Your videos are great and very informative! Keep up the great work comrade :)

  • @sirhc07

    @sirhc07

    Жыл бұрын

    Go communist go hungry

  • @revolutionaryape7568

    @revolutionaryape7568

    Жыл бұрын

    @@sirhc07 What about the homeless, starving people in capitalist countries?

  • @Redsky973

    @Redsky973

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@revolutionaryape7568you see those guys actually deserve it because they are lazy, while Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos work 50 million times as hard as the average worker si they deserve their private jets and yachts

  • @andresjimenez1724
    @andresjimenez17242 жыл бұрын

    Hello, my name is Andrés Jiménez and I am a Political Science student (I live in Bogotá - Colombia). 1. This message is to ask you what academic works can allow me to understand which factors explain the famines in the Soviet Union and Mao's China and why these experiments led to autocratic power hierarchies ( Cuba and Venezuela Also) . In other words: Are these phenomena the result of the "inherent" relationship of socialism-communism with authoritarianism and the "impossibility" of economic planning? (As the opposite ideological spectrum would say). Or on the contrary: Did these phenomena have causes that have never been explained in the dominant discourse? (external sabotage, isolationism etc ...?) 2. I would also like to understand if there is evidence to link capitalism with the practices of imperialism and interventionism (in Latin America as in the Middle East, the phenomenon of military intervention by the United States and the United Kingdom is clear) On the one hand, these issues interest me because I want to have the ability to analyze history without ideological dogmatism (but always from a critical perspective that is not submissive to the hegemonic political, cultural and economic order, since I consider myself a person on the political spectrum of the left) without giving more strength to the politicians with whom I do not agree (right-wing libertarians, new right , new conservatism , neoliberalism , austrians economics or practically anyone who says that capitalism and liberal democracy are the end of history) 3. Since I began to study and be interested in politics, philosophy, economics etc, I have been told that communism only means hunger, death, authoritarianism and misery. All the political discourse is centered on the fact that there is nothing beyond capitalism and that everything that tries to be different will result in the elements mentioned above. However, I see that Capitalism being the global system is leading us to an unprecedented ecological crisis, where phenomena of scarcity, conflicts and even authoritarianism begin to manifest (of course, in the IPCC or United Nations reports the problem is reduced to the technical aspect of greenhouse gas emissions, but nobody mentions the production and consumption patterns, growth and accumulation dynamics etc) 4. I understand that the concept of progress and development is transversal to capitalism and the "really existing socialisms" so that Latin America has made proposals beyond development. An example of people who question this are the Colombian anthropologist Arturo Ecobar and his text "The invention of the third world" and "The invention of development" or the analysis of ecological economy proposed by Joan Martinez Alier, the analysis of Eduardo Gudynas on the " Buen Vivir "and post-extractive economies or the works of the various decolonial perspectives that deal a lot with the issue of colonialism, capitalism and dependency (political, economic and cultural) in the Latin American region (Rita Laura Segato, Anibla Quijano, Enrique Dussel , Walter Mignolo, Maria Lugones, Santigo Castro Gomez, Ramon Grosfoguel, Bolivar Echeverría).

  • @commanderazure771

    @commanderazure771

    Жыл бұрын

    Let me try and go through that: 1. The famines in the USSR and China, while awful, are often overplayed. The "Holodomor" is often used to show how the USSR was targeting Ukrainians, but it wasn't just in Ukraine, it was in Russia and Kazakhstan too, and Kazakhstan actually was hit the worse. This was not a man-made famine, such famines were common in the Russian Empire, and many anti-Soviet sources wildly exaggerate the number of deaths. Don't get me wrong, millions of people died in this, but it wasn't because the USSR was a failure; rather that it hadn't fully modernized yet. In addition, there's a CIA document talking about how Soviets got similar amounts of calories as Americans but had healthier diets. In China, this was quite possibly the largest famine in history and it *was* exacerbated by Mao's policies, but one didn't cause the other. Much of China was in a drought at the time, and there were many natural disasters. It is important to emphasize that the government DID bear some responsibility for it but not to the extent usually talked about. They simply got extremely unlucky and implemented mass changes over a series of years that had many natural disasters. Also, throughout the Mao years, China experienced one of the fastest growths in life expectancy the world has ever seen. There were some very real issues with democracy in both China and the USSR, as well as Cuba and Venezuela (although both socialists and liberals agree Venezuela sucks, it's less "socialist" than Norway). Part of this is due to the conditions those countries were in at the time. Cuba was a US-backed dictatorship, China had just had a massively destructive invasion by Japan and then a civil war, and the USSR was torn apart by World War I and a civil war. During the civil war, hundreds of thousands of troops from multiple capitalist superpowers like the US, France, and Britain all fought against the Bolsheviks. They believed that allowing total freedoms could allow capitalist states to overthrow them, which to some extent *is* true but doesn't justify their repression. However, Stalin wasn't a dictator (there's a CIA document for this too) and even though there was only one legal party and repression of civil liberties, it was far more democracy then those countries had ever experienced before. And many western "democracies" are controlled to a large extent by the wealthy. In addition, this is not "inherent" to socialism whatsoever. This is just one branch of socialism, others include Syndicalism (where workplaces are run by unions) and things like Libertarian Socialism. Economic planning is far from impossible (it developed the USSR from an unindustrialized backwater to a global superpower in 20 years) and could be much more powerful now with the advent of computers. You probably have heard some about this but in Salvador Allende's Chile, he implemented a very rudimentary form of this sort of planning that led to economic growth of 7% in 1971, compared to just 0.2% the year before, where he hadn't been president, and where real wages for the average worker rose by over 20%. Of course, the US was fearful of a successful socialist experiment in LATAM so they basically declared economic warfare on Chile before backing a coup in 1973. Imagine what could be done now, with modern supercomputers in our pockets and powerful AI. That was a lot of text, I'll try to be more brief with the next points. 2. Capitalism is predicated on infinite growth. This need for more resources, greater markets, cheap labor etc. will manifest itself in keeping third-world countries poor and dependent on western countries and overthrowing native resistance. 3. All of what you've said here is true. There's a lot of propaganda on previously socialist countries because obviously our capitalist ruling classes don't want us to turn to their model. Obviously, their model had many flaws and some of what we hear is actually accurate but for the most part it's just propaganda. 4. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here so if you want to elaborate I can try and help you. If there's anything else you want to know, please ask.

  • @rockstarskolas

    @rockstarskolas

    Жыл бұрын

    Mucho texto

  • @lavoisier_mefistofelico
    @lavoisier_mefistofelico2 жыл бұрын

    ♥️☭

  • @lavoisier_mefistofelico
    @lavoisier_mefistofelico2 жыл бұрын

    Very nice!

  • @ChristoffelTensors
    @ChristoffelTensors2 жыл бұрын

    I hope KZ gets its own path. Hopefully with the continued development of the BRI and the training of locals and deference to their cultural norms the KZ proletariat can form a strong unique identity.

  • @kairatkempirbaev7183

    @kairatkempirbaev7183

    Жыл бұрын

    Turkey is influencing the region. That identity won't be good ...

  • @jmagowan12
    @jmagowan12 Жыл бұрын

    The USSR ultimately failed to truly settle their many national question but I'm glad they tried and especially in the Stalin era tried the most honestly. Its like if the UK/ Great Britain had a socialist revolution and became some kind of socialist federation. The many peoples the English have historically oppressed will carry massive predidus. Ultimately every nation must forge it's own path to socialism so we can all come together under communism. Ideally I would love some sort of Pan-celtic federation. 🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @sassypaleonerd2169
    @sassypaleonerd21692 жыл бұрын

    The Map projection you use annoys me so much, the USSR is stretched so long....

  • @sassypaleonerd2169

    @sassypaleonerd2169

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lovely video though!

  • @neochatterbox516
    @neochatterbox5162 жыл бұрын

    Would you happen to know the history of how the countries of Central Asia were incorporated into the USSR in the first place after gaining independence from the Russian Empire? I can't find many decent sources on it, so the default position I've taken is that Soviet authorities essentially reconquered them as a sort of imperial inheritance, though I'd be more than open to changing my mind if I'm wrong

  • @awesomebearaudiobooks

    @awesomebearaudiobooks

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most of the population of those areas supported the Soviet Government after the October Revolution. Even though there were minor skirmishes with some Islamist and some nascent nationalist movements, most people in Central Asia that were part of the Russian Empire before, agreed to join the newly born Soviet Republic, albeit they didn't join the USSR, as Ukraine or Belarus or Georgia did, they joined the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic directly.

  • @missmiss8359

    @missmiss8359

    Жыл бұрын

    @@awesomebearaudiobooks yeah sure the people of central Asia wher very keen on joining up with the same people who occupied their land flooded it with settlers and exploited it's people and natural resources .

  • @ABPHistory

    @ABPHistory

    Жыл бұрын

    @@missmiss8359 yep they were keen on joining the soviets en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukharan_People%27s_Soviet_Republic

  • @chingis1154

    @chingis1154

    Жыл бұрын

    Kazakhs and bashkirs wanted independence from Russia completely and joined whites. When whites were gaining ground kolchak decided to give order to disarm kazakhs and bashkirs and incorporate them back to target Russia. Kazakhs and bashkirs choose to join commies cuz they said they will give autonomy. Before kazakhs and bashkirs preferred whites and would keep fighting if they would give independence and at least big autonomy

  • @Stbeter

    @Stbeter

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@missmiss8359 They were eager to join the Soviets because it promised an end to the policies you just described. If they wanted to join their colonizers, they would have been on the side of the Whites in the war.

  • @horcruxhunter5056
    @horcruxhunter50562 жыл бұрын

    I’m an anarchist so I disagree with some of your points in other videos but you guys are always fairly nuanced and well researched and it’s a pleasure to watch you!

  • @yz2374

    @yz2374

    10 ай бұрын

    lol

  • @raidang

    @raidang

    3 ай бұрын

    Edgy

  • @jcrios1917
    @jcrios19172 жыл бұрын

    Stalin's Nomads: Power and Famine in Kazakhstan by Robert Kindler 2018 Soviet Nation-Building in Central Asia: The Making of the Kazakh and Uzbek Nations by Grigol Ubiria The Affirmative Action Empire by Terry Martin 2001

  • @daPawlak
    @daPawlak Жыл бұрын

    Have not seen it, curious how much tactical ommisions with be present here. Gonna answer this comment with honest assessment afterwards.

  • @daPawlak

    @daPawlak

    Жыл бұрын

    Not mentioning Kazakh Chatanate while implying that it was Soviets who created Kazakh national identity is first instance. Note that I don't dispute what was said, cos it was cleverly so formulated as to use facts (with omissions) to create false impression, as opposed to outright fabrication. Let's see how it goes from there.

  • @daPawlak

    @daPawlak

    Жыл бұрын

    Obviously no mention of forced migrations of non Kazakh population into Kazakhstan. Would not fit the angle of the video, wouldn't it?

  • @murataubakir8437
    @murataubakir84372 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Stalin for bringing us into the modern age!

  • @apestogetherstrong341

    @apestogetherstrong341

    2 жыл бұрын

    ✊✊✊

  • @revolutionaryape7568

    @revolutionaryape7568

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@apestogetherstrong341 😇🏴✊🏿 Long live revolution

  • @yorkshiremgtow1773

    @yorkshiremgtow1773

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@revolutionaryape7568 Russia was already in a transitional period of industrialisation long before even the First World War. If it wasn't, it could not have possibly been able to fight industrialised Germany for three years, without losing. This is a very misleading video.

  • @JOHNBURG1917

    @JOHNBURG1917

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hell yeah originating as nomads to launching cosmonauts into space.

  • @yorkshiremgtow1773

    @yorkshiremgtow1773

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JOHNBURG1917 Nomads? Russia was already undergoing a significant period of industrialisation long before the 1917 revolution. Its population doubled between 1850 and 1900, and coal production increased. by 1,200% between 1860 and 1890. By 1890, the country's railroad network was more than 32,000km, and they had 1.4 million factory workers- even in 1890. Russia would not possibly have been able to fight an industrialised country like Germany, for three years without losing, if they were 'nomads'. The USSR's space program would not have been possible without the use of the transistor, but they could only attain these from their country of origin; the US. Can you think of a similar invention, which changed the world as much as the transistor did, which came out of a Socialist country? Stalin continued to export grain out of the Ukraine, chiefly to pay for imports of industrialised equipment, even when it was clear that hundreds of thousands were dying as a result.

  • @user-oj1uw4ib6v
    @user-oj1uw4ib6v2 жыл бұрын

    Есть ли русский вариант ваших видео?

  • @user-sj5um6ii9y

    @user-sj5um6ii9y

    2 жыл бұрын

    канал Red Yurt перевел на русский

  • @user-oj1uw4ib6v

    @user-oj1uw4ib6v

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@user-sj5um6ii9y только одно видео . А другие?

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Мы начнём постепенно добавлять русские субтитры. Через пару месяцев надеемся будет время поработать над переводом.

  • @user-oj1uw4ib6v

    @user-oj1uw4ib6v

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject благодарю

  • @freemindrebel
    @freemindrebel2 жыл бұрын

    May be something about national politicy

  • @spaghettimon3851
    @spaghettimon38512 жыл бұрын

    Would you made soviet baltic sisters?

  • @Smallgreyball
    @Smallgreyball2 жыл бұрын

    that Ташкент энд Новосибирск prononciation though

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ahh, yeah this is why I normally opt for not pronouncing words exactly -- it breaks up the flow way too much. Not doing that again lol. I just didn't want to hear it in the comments that this was another "ignorant Western commie" opinion.

  • @dempa3

    @dempa3

    2 жыл бұрын

    I liked it вери мач!

  • @Smallgreyball

    @Smallgreyball

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject you did a nice job anyway

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah technically Russian is my native language, but my English is a bit better now because I spent most of my school years in the US. Really glad I kept up with my Russian because it makes studying Soviet history a lot more accessible.

  • @filiplazz
    @filiplazz2 жыл бұрын

    I drank mare's (female horse) milk based alcoholic drink while learning about Kazakhstan... I dont remember anything, including how it tasted :(

  • @kingsugulleh
    @kingsugulleh2 жыл бұрын

    i heard it was crypto bros angry about the fuel hike

  • @shady8045
    @shady80452 жыл бұрын

    You have certainly convinced me that the movement is very likely to be legit even if NED money is I. There. It’s more that they are TRYING to control it rather than are enabling it, which I would assume is your point. I would imagine it’s mostly real, but some of the corny reactionary stuff is fake. It’s not as bad as the HK protests though lol, that whole thing was a meme tbh.

  • @joshjohnson9406
    @joshjohnson94062 жыл бұрын

    Affirmative action where the majority of citizens are entitled to it? Did he read this before he wrote it?

  • @paramitadeb7642
    @paramitadeb76422 жыл бұрын

    Please make a video on marxist feminism.

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    We will!

  • @kevintewey1157
    @kevintewey11572 жыл бұрын

    I need to have a way to slow down KZread so these fast talkers don't go by me too quick

  • @silverlyne9954
    @silverlyne99542 жыл бұрын

    Any other kazhakstan natives in the comments?

  • @user-zf9wq9gn6e

    @user-zf9wq9gn6e

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @nikitachirich7985
    @nikitachirich79854 ай бұрын

    I’m not Kazakh, my parents were however a deported population (special work deportee 1958) to Kazakhstan, so I grew up with a restricted Soviet passport in Semipalatinsk region . Very good video my Kazakh friends would have appreciated it , many of them are long gone . I live in Israel now God Bless .

  • @finncloison

    @finncloison

    24 күн бұрын

    Всю промышленность, инфраструктуру и энергетику в нищем голодном СССР построили Американские и Европейские Капиталисты по заказу Сталина в 1928-39

  • @nikitachirich7985

    @nikitachirich7985

    24 күн бұрын

    @@finncloison эт точно

  • @harlaneric7963
    @harlaneric7963 Жыл бұрын

    Who exactly were the “Soviets”? Didn’t the Kazakhs themselves work on these jobs?

  • @humanharddrive1
    @humanharddrive1 Жыл бұрын

    Tear everything soviet-made down and establish a nanotech kazakh space empire

  • @Rusichvoin83

    @Rusichvoin83

    Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, the radiation "nobly" left by the Russian communists on Kazakh soil (And they blew up about 600 nuclear bombs at the Semipalatinsk test site) cannot be removed. We would gladly give them to the Russians.

  • @user-ht9gj8ui8x
    @user-ht9gj8ui8x11 ай бұрын

    Kazakh khanate existed before soviets !

  • @eldariskenderfranke4284
    @eldariskenderfranke42845 ай бұрын

    You really did ignore the famine did you, it was way worse in Turkestan/Kazakhstan than in Ukraine or Russia.

  • @dauletbaimagamabet
    @dauletbaimagamabet11 ай бұрын

    Cherry picking fact for Soviet government, their actions and politics. And downplaying true tragedy of Kazakhstan and Kazakhs during Soviet time. Soviets did true fascist authorities during those times. Almost every single point and statement in this video is real BS. Probably as somebody who is from the nation who never went through something like that, you can’t relate, understand and feel how shitty it was being kazakh during Soviet times.

  • @fi0nner
    @fi0nner2 жыл бұрын

    Good video - just one small but important correction. Once Stalin was in power he did not follow they same line as Lenin regarding nationalism. It was Stalin who initiated the program of harsh Russian nationalism and the oppression of non-Russian cultural practices.

  • @MrTaxiRob
    @MrTaxiRob2 жыл бұрын

    It's unfortunate that so many colonial practices found their way into proletarianization of the SSRs, but I guess old habits die hard. Maybe nomadic herders just need to be left alone? If they're apolitical, why not leave them that way? You can't be a counterrevolutionary if you don't even care about building a state.

  • @samalaimukhametova7290

    @samalaimukhametova7290

    8 ай бұрын

    Дұрыс айттыңыз, бірақ бізді ойлаған адамдар емес,тек сылтау ғана.Олардың арманы идеологияның дүниеге тарауы

  • @MrTaxiRob

    @MrTaxiRob

    8 ай бұрын

    @@samalaimukhametova7290 yes, socialists have a very special sense that they are saving the world. In a way they are, but then I think about Star Trek and the Prime Directive: maybe some people just need to be left alone to figure things out for themselves. The poor in Imperial Russia weren't ready to be revolutionaries, and I still don't think they understand how any kind of participatory system of government works to this day.

  • @abriefsummaryofhistory7449
    @abriefsummaryofhistory744911 ай бұрын

    No hate I havent watched the video yet but I hope you mention the Kazahk feminin wich happend in 1931 that killed aounrd 1/3 of All Kazahks causing them to be A minorty in there own Kazahk SSR

  • @NicoSocialista
    @NicoSocialista2 жыл бұрын

    When the conditions are not given, it is important not to create false expectations. Similarly, it is irresponsible to inflate the situation. In Kazakhstan, the groups that were taking the lead were all reactionaries and many of the armed groups were Islamic fascists who have been attacking that country for years, presumably Turkey has something to do with it and the recent victory of the Taliban could have inspired several of them to want to take advantage of this situation. The initial protests could have had a significant degree of proletarian organization, but later the opposition groups with greater reach were demanding ridiculous things, hiding it under the idea of a supposed solidarity with those who started the protest. On the other hand, there was nothing that was really stopping the potential of the extreme groups to generate a situation similar to the one in Ukraine or Syria. For this reason, countries like Russia or Armenia intervened based on regional agreements so that the situation did not escalate, it was not something that Russia had arbitrarily decided on its own. The denunciation of color revolutions, at least when presented by Marxists, does not seek to replace class struggle with geopolitical struggle, but rather points to the fact that these are situations where the proletarian struggle (regardless of whether it is successful or not in the short term) cannot move forward and the consequences will be worse for the local, regional and global working class. A Marxist must be honest and not romanticize or justify any protest irresponsibly just because the demands are proletarian and not reactionary. With this logic, several renowned leftists such as J. Corbyn (UK) are allying themselves with skinheads and anti-vaxxers in these protests against the big pharmaceutical industry and the authoritarian measures of certain governments, while these same capitalist countries are sacrificing millions of workers for not wanting to take measures similar to those taken by China or NZ. These guys are just diverting attention to other minor issues and that favors the capitalists. Color revolutions follow a similar logic and are justified in a similar way. This has nothing to do with replacing the class struggle, liking Putin, or denying the agency of the locals. It is important to be measured when supporting protests in foreign countries, since the initial reasons for a protest do not tell us anything about who are the groups with the most power to co-opt such demands or the ideology of those protesting and which are the most organized groups to effectively take power. In Chile, for example, Boric (the left-liberal elected president) is not seen as a representative of the changes, but as someone who might not oppose them like Kast (the neo-fascist candidate), so the protests will come back at some point if people notice that Boric is not doing anything significant. In these cases, the concepts of "stolen revolution" as in Sudan or "revolution in progress"/"ongoing revolution" as in Haiti are used, that is, the protests were not really co-opted but they did not have great weapons to counteract the offensives of the bourgeoisie, for what the proletarian struggle continues. In countries like Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela the last biggest protests were co-opted from the beginning or close to that moment (and were literally organized in a significant way by the pro-empire opposition), so it makes no sense to support them as there are no historical cases of movements co-opted from the start that have not ended with a junta, an ethno-state, etc. That does not mean that these governments are being supported, the denunciation emerges precisely from a concern for the working class and the future of the class struggle. When this happens in your country, the revolutionary task is to carry out an analysis that seeks to influence the masses through a dialogue with them, not just analyze it from a distance like someone who examines the behavior of elephants in the savannah to justify what is happening without wanting to intervene. In Chile (2019), we did it through popular assemblies where reductionist or misdirected views were discussed and it was about going to the bottom of the problems. In Russia, the Communist Party was participating in the demonstrations in support of the fascist Navalni (who is falsely considered a "political prisoner"), but not to inflate the situation in support of that racist and xenophobic guy, but to explain the communist ideas and redirect the anger to something more constructive. It can be dangerous and counterproductive to join a national protest (in support of it) just because the initial demand is proletarian: the most important thing is the direction it takes and how revolutionaries can influence it.

  • @VocalBear213
    @VocalBear2132 жыл бұрын

    Clans to classes and back to a Clan)

  • @cat_city2009
    @cat_city20092 жыл бұрын

    The cynics may be right: revolution is no longer possible and campist geopolitical stuff is the only field of struggle left.

  • @turtlecraft7996

    @turtlecraft7996

    2 жыл бұрын

    Capitalist world economy: *plunges into an ever deeper crisis, pushing the masses in more and more countries(Myanmar, Columbia, Sudan, and now Kazakhstan) towards revolution, for now those attempts have failed because of the lack of a revolutionary leadership* Random internet leftists: "Oh I guess those failures mean that revolution is impossible. Then I'll rather keep on circle jerking than try to join any serious communist organization" -> Sorry to put it in that crude way, but let the cynics rot, we are entering a revolutionary epoch, we have no right to pessimism.

  • @freemindrebel

    @freemindrebel

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@turtlecraft7996 but optimism is idealism isn't it?

  • @turtlecraft7996

    @turtlecraft7996

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@freemindrebel This is a confusion coming from the two definitions of idealism. In the common use, an idealist means someone who is ready to sacrifice himself for a greater cause. With that definition, of course you can call communists idealist. But in the philosophical and marxist sense, idealism is when you think ideas are causes in themselves, or that they exist independently from material reality, as opposed to materialism. If we thought that we can make revolution happen just by wanting it, that would be idealism. But if we recognize that there is an objective trend towards revolution, and prepare for it, then our optimism is grounded in materialism.

  • @Srijit1946

    @Srijit1946

    2 жыл бұрын

    To the contrary. There could be no Bolshevik revolution without the failed Russian revolution of 1905. Revolutionary class consciousness doesn't develop instantly. As profitability, GDP growth, competition and entry into new markets - everything which historically powered and justified capitalism - are all in decline, younger people in the USA - the country where capitalism & anti-communism is a religion - are already getting disillusioned with the capitalist status quo, and this will continue as electoral politics and reformist methods fail to pass any meaningful change. We haven't reached the end of history. Antagonistic classes will not just stare at each other until the universe evaporates. Climate change alone will create revolutionary conditions all around the world. We must organise and create revolutionary organisations in non-revolutionary times, otherwise we will miss the opportunity when revolutionary conditions appear, or they will be co-opted by liberals or fascists.

  • @arditr19x7
    @arditr19x72 жыл бұрын

    Привет из России

  • @apestogetherstrong341
    @apestogetherstrong3412 жыл бұрын

    this video is very sus

  • @RextheRebel
    @RextheRebel Жыл бұрын

    You cannot wash away borders or communities, there cannot be an international people. There are far too many differences between people and their preferred norms.

  • @lilestojkovicii6618

    @lilestojkovicii6618

    11 ай бұрын

    In a century or so capitalism will wash them anyways

  • @pjweiner8700
    @pjweiner87002 жыл бұрын

    The language you use is unnecessarily complex and old-fashioned. Otherwise love your videos!

  • @ADrexlerx
    @ADrexlerx Жыл бұрын

    I’m unsure how you would justify this and then (I’m assuming) would say that colonialism was terrible for Africa. However I could make a title similar to this one. From Tribes to Nation: how European Colonialism built Africa.

  • @rajmundseidel6035

    @rajmundseidel6035

    Жыл бұрын

    not really most of the infascructure existed either before europeans or built after

  • @ADrexlerx

    @ADrexlerx

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rajmundseidel6035 no it’s not just the infrastructure. It’s the structure of the entire civilisations of Africa. They were still stuck in a Tribal age and Colonialism for lots of its bad (just like Russification onto Kazakhstan) it did a lot more good much more good then the USSR did for Kazakhstan. They brought Vaccines, technology and basic modern moralistic thought amongst other things the Europeans implemented in Africa and other parts of the world which basically forced them all to follow the European structure of things which I can confidently say was the best in the world at the time and is still today. Colonialism elevated Africa and the resources supposedly “stolen” are in large supply today in Africa especially since most resources weren’t extracted in Africa as Africa was colonised for Prestige rather then strategic value

  • @chrisgaming9567

    @chrisgaming9567

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah yeah, killing 30 million Africans is "building Africa", makes sense

  • @ADrexlerx

    @ADrexlerx

    Жыл бұрын

    @@chrisgaming9567 yes killing 7 million Ukrainians is building “Ukraine” makes sense. 1.7 million in the gulags for which I’m sure all 1.7 million were guilty of real evil crimes such as “wrongthink”. The mass deaths of polish people in Poland when the Soviets moved in on the eastern half in 1939. Yes I’m sure. Also where did you get this 30 million number from? All I’ve seen is 10 million

  • @chrisgaming9567

    @chrisgaming9567

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ADrexlerx "7 million Ukrainians" and "1.7 million in the gulags" is nonsense propaganda, the former of which was never a serious claim and the latter of which was debunked in the 1990s. I got 30 million from adding up the death tolls of the Belgian Congo, French Algeria, and various First-Cold-War conflicts. I didn't include every single massacre or genocide in the calculation because that would've taken too long.

  • @kilroybebop4059
    @kilroybebop40592 жыл бұрын

    Didn't expect to see blatant russian propaganda here. "Qazaq" was indeed a socio-cultural term in the early days of the Kazakh khanate and earlier, but it quickly became a synonymous with kazakhs themselves, since everybody that surrounded them used it to refer to them, with kazakhs eventually accepting it. Even when tribalism was rampant kazakhs would still refer to themselves as that, despite russians calling them Kyrgyz all the time. That was even noted by Thomas Atkinson who had visited the Kazakh steppe before Soviet times. This whole "kazakhs were separate warring tribes with no concept of nationhood" is a recent wave of russian misinfo that has been floating since russian deputies were trying to push this narrative that we "stole" their lands.

  • @themarxistproject

    @themarxistproject

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's certainly likely that Kazakh nationhood existed in some form even before the Soviets but the point made by the historians I cite (none of whom are Russians or are affiliated with Russia) was that the Kazakh national identity *as it now exists* is the product of explicit Soviet nationality policies. I encourage you to check out those sources yourself. References are in the description. Needless to say, if you watch to the end you'll see that we have zero interest in promoting any contemporary Russian interests, ideological or otherwise.

  • @kilroybebop4059

    @kilroybebop4059

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject Alright, after reading some of the sources I understand what was being discussed, but I notice how they barely touch upon the histories of Kazakh Khanate and the Golden Horde, both of which have direct relationships to modern kazakhs. Kazakhs didn't "likely had some form of nationhood", they had a typical steppe nation with clear distinctions from their neighbors. Shifting from a steppe nationhood to a european kind of nationhood is still not "inventing" because this word implies there was nothing at all before that point. However, I can agree with other assessments, as the kazakh national identity today still incorporates many Soviet myths. Also, I wasn't calling you russian propagandist, but rather saying that some of your statements were replicating modern russian propaganda. Cheers!

  • @grimgoreironhide9985

    @grimgoreironhide9985

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@themarxistproject It's not certainly likely. It is a fact Kazakh state existed before the Russian vassalship and later colonisation. Kazakhs became Russian vassals after requesting help against the Dzungar Mongol who were trying to recreate the Mongol empire by genociding the Kazakhs. And it was also to gain protection from the Qing Dynasty.

  • @grimgoreironhide9985

    @grimgoreironhide9985

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@novinceinhosic3531 The Kazakh Khanate was founded in the 15th century by two Khan's. The Kazakh identity has existed for a long time. The First Nations of Europe existed before as primitive versions such as Kingdoms. We could argue the Mongols have rights to claim Russian land since they used to rule them during the Golden Horde. This is what the Russian nationalists and imperialists are trying to do now. They are using the same way of thinking as the Chinese. If their ancestors used to rule yours then all of the sudden they have rights to your lands. It’s all nonsense designed to enrich a few elites with stolen land and resources.

  • @Rusichvoin83

    @Rusichvoin83

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@themarxistprojectThey are definitely EurocentristsThey are definitely Eurocentrists

  • @trueordrue
    @trueordrue Жыл бұрын

    Yeah u forgot about famine, starvation, genocide etc. but lets ignore that as they gave them what communism and soviet imperialism taste like