Big step backwards that Citroen gave up hydropneumatic suspension. It was the only thing that made their cars different

@SlosII

Жыл бұрын

the only thing? How about the funky one spoke steering wheels and weird dashboard layouts..... and the twisting headlights in the DS, and the funky pedals in the DS, and the overall designs of the cars.... it was much more then just the suspension... a shame it's not like that anymore. Oh, and the concave rear window.... I forgot about that one.

@JakobusVdL

Жыл бұрын

@@SlosII first mass produced front wheel drive car with uni-body construction and fully independent suspension, their aerodynamics, narrower rear track than front, first sustained mass produced car with disc front brakes, non self cancelling indicators, the list of Citroen innovations and differences goes on and on!

@bennyhannover9361

Жыл бұрын

The Test with the red CX 1981 was driven in German Telemotor by famous Paul Frère from Belgium.

@nothanks9050

Жыл бұрын

If the consumer demands cheap and bland, that's what they get.

@fidelcatsro6948

Жыл бұрын

yes even cat cars today should come with these innovative wonder excuse of a suspension!

RIP Citroën hydraulic suspension (1955-2017). You will be sorely missed.

@fidelcatsro6948

Жыл бұрын

2017 was the last time they used the suspension? what they using now? McPherson struts?

@sontvksda9574

Жыл бұрын

😢so sad it went into memory forever

@WhiteNightsCity

Жыл бұрын

@@fidelcatsro6948 multi-link suspension, springs and shock absorbers

@Henry_Jr_Watsson

Жыл бұрын

@@fidelcatsro6948 I test drove a 2018 Citroen C4 and that one was less comfy than my Toyota Auris. Worst of all, it took bumps much harsher with it hitting the bump stop often too, cornered like a boat and lacked stability. It was atrocious. I've driven in older C5's and those were godly! Major step backwards now :(

@fidelcatsro6948

Жыл бұрын

@@Henry_Jr_Watsson looks like they stopped making those hydrapneumatic wonder suspension by then..im sorry for your loss

Living in Mercedes Country during my childhood and youth my father always had Citroën’s, we had three CX, one after another, one 2CV, 2 x BX, 2 x GS, one AX and our last one was a XM turbo Diesel. The superiority of these cars was outstanding, especially the hydroneumatic suspension system. We drove these cars all over Europe and Morocco. Incredible memories we won’t ever forget.

@lifeisart5450

5 ай бұрын

Morocco must have been amazing with those cars!

@stephenberry1205

25 күн бұрын

Same incredible memories in Australia over 52 years, 17 Citroens including 3 x 2CV6s

My father had a CX, a real living room on wheels. Never been sick in this car.

@akronymus

Жыл бұрын

Same with me … when I got my license,I hated that it (1st series) didn't have a second outside mirror. Damn bad laws in these days.

@ken_worth

Жыл бұрын

I had a CX too. It was a wonderful car

@akronymus

Жыл бұрын

@@ken_worth A friend later got a CX GTI.This was way over-powered and had lost the beautiful ›floating sofa‹ feeling.

@ken_worth

Жыл бұрын

@@akronymus Yes, I remember, the CX GTI was an awesome car 😀 I also drove during 13 years a 2CV, I loved this car so much

@petersuchansky6703

Жыл бұрын

In 5:37 is cheating. Citroen driver first leaves wet part of breaking zone with front wheels and than on dry surface aplys breakes which is visible by diving of the front of the car. Only one wheel is on wet part which is not enaugh to spin that car like that other cars other did. Mercedes aplys breakes visibly(diving of the front) on two wheels on wet and so did those others except citroen.

Citroën is a brand that I've found a little fascinating since around 1990 when a family friend bought a new BX, a tad flimsy in terms of trim (but probably no worse than other car brands of it's era), but the ride quality was just incredible - it floated down roads and munched motorway miles as if you were sat in an arm chair... Sometimes quirky in design, but always practical beyond what their competitors offered... A truly fascinating car brand!!!

@RUfromthe40s

9 ай бұрын

i remenber only once driving a new BX sport it had more sportive finishings and all leather inside with all competition gages, it was fast and it drove fantastic allthough i never liked the design of the body, like the GSA wich was very confortable and having the seats very high with no need for headrest but it seemed a slim GS which i had both sedan and van, as i had from the later model with luxurious interiors but i have to say that at the time one would choose a brand and all were being more developed this in early 80´s but none was equal to another each brand had it´s diferent way of driving and all diferent in design ,today most of the cars seemed the same with some exceptions

Citroen suspension always was excellent, shame its not like it now 😢

@JakobusVdL

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if those suspension engineering skills will start to come back as road maintenance gets worse and worse?

@Anonym-kd5wf

Жыл бұрын

excellent? They drive like boats in corners 😅

@vibingwithvinyl

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonym-kd5wf Except the Activa. But I bet comfort was the thing here.

@florent9002

Жыл бұрын

​@@Anonym-kd5wf doesnt mean it's bad

@iangrice329

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonym-kd5wf They were and still are better than anything else on the road.

Absolutely fantastic reactions of those cars (even more impressive for the 2CV...) I've tried to drive a "conventional" car the last years but can't ignore this attraction to the magic of the hydraulic felt several years in BX and XM before... They are special, charming, confortable, reliable when we'll maintained and easy to drive with the smile for hours... Viva the hydraulic Citroen's !

@constantinosschinas4503

7 ай бұрын

BX was a magic carpet. Great minimal gray interior too combined with space for legs, hands and ergonomic handles /armrests that could not be found to any bmw or mercedes of the era. Experienced it as a kid and never forgot it.

@user-ey9ks9xw4h

4 ай бұрын

Купил этой весной Ситроен с5 х7 с пробегом 49000. км. . очень был восхищён управляемостью на дороге ! ! !

This is how I have often driven my 17 Citroens over 51 years. Especially the three 2CV6s over 45 years... Fabulous

@fidelcatsro6948

Жыл бұрын

you car wrecker!

@stephenberry8658

Жыл бұрын

@@fidelcatsro6948 I am just imitating the way the French drive in their own country. Continuous customer testing program.

@stephenberry8658

Жыл бұрын

This is how a true Frenchman drives across the 'Chaussee Deformee' of their B roads in zee French Countryside.. N'est Pa...

@joseluisherrera4669

8 ай бұрын

Excuse my curiosity : did you also owned and driven the Ami 8 Break ?

@stephenberry8658

8 ай бұрын

@@joseluisherrera4669 I have ridden in a later Ami 8 with the sloping rear window and driven a Dyane 6. Recently had a Burton Big Bore 652 CX engine plus Power Tube installed in 1990 series Charleston. Now quite zippy.

Back when test drivers didn’t wear a racing jumpsuit, but a collared shirt and tie. Brilliant!

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

Do you remember Sandro Munari in the Diablo testing its maxium speed on the Nardo ring ?

@bsharporbflat8378

Жыл бұрын

While smoking Gitanes

A friend of my mother had a 2CV and it was great fun to get a ride as a kid, especially over railway bumps.

Hydropneumatique, que du bonheur ! On ne fait toujours pas mieux côté confort et tenue de route !

@gilpile

10 ай бұрын

Oui ben c'est terminé aujourd'hui... il ne reste plus que le manque de fiabilité des moteurs PSA/Stellantis... pfff

@moxenstock1090

8 ай бұрын

@@Ulwam. deux C5 jamais de problème de suspension avec le reste oui.

Citroen to me were the most innovated automobiles of twentieth century ,love the ami 6,CX, and the SM great video.

My first car was a CX25Break Diesel. It had 155.000 km when I got it. „Next oil change“ was due at 105.000 km. Still the engine ran ok. I opened the oil pan screw and only blob blob sticky oil came out. Put GTx3 oil in and changed after another 1.000 km. It became more liquid. After three 1.000 km changes, it became fluid. Engine checked out ok, but the car didn’t run above 140 km/h. I checked the old Citroen dealer and he explained that the engine was actually limited. According his advice, I slowly changed the adjustment screw and finally it ran 190 km/h! Shouldn’t have sold it with 260.000 km to a buddy, but he needed the cargo capacity for his small company. He drove it up to 450.000 until he sold it. Rock concert? Tent? No! Flap the rear seats and it was a 2,1 m long flat area. I just put in a mattress for comfort and was done! Second night at the concert they tricked me and ended up sleeping with 4 people in the break - and I was left outside in their tent 😂 We even went to the Nürburgring a few times. Hydro lever 1/2 way between reg and low and it was a perfect setup for the „Ring“!

I once owned BX. It is marvellous smooth riding. Even today pneumatic air suspension can't compare to them.

@constantinosschinas4503

7 ай бұрын

Interior was minimal, seriously spacious, astounding, as well. Royal Magic Carpet!! Would not change it for any mercedes of the era. My dad had one.

Recently drove a mk1 C5 from Gibraltar to the UK and I can tell you the comfort is unparalleled. Amazing.

@Rutch

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of buying one, how is the reliability?

@alessandrorossi5992

Жыл бұрын

If you like capitalism and its desperate research of the profit these are the results

@Tonza205

Жыл бұрын

@@Rutch i had mk1 c5 for couple years, no issues at all (2 years is not that long time to own something tho) My ex c5 was with 211hp 3.0 v6 and 5 speed manual gearbox, fun car to drive and kinda sleeper at the same time 😁 I did even take it to 1 mile challenge, where i managed to get it up to 196km/h on 1 mile (not bad for car that had over 280 000km on it) 😅

@Rutch

Жыл бұрын

@@Tonza205 thanks, I'm looking for either a MK2 C5 (I like the facelift styling better) or a Xantia. A lot of Citroën purists claim that the Xanthia is more comfortable than the C5, and the BX and XM even more so. I'm going to test drive a Xan tomorrow and I already test drove a mk1 C5 break yesterday with super high mileage but I found that it drove a bit weird over bumps (in particular the stage after the bump, the suspension had a weird 'stop') still the chairs are really soft so you barely notice it.

@regisdumoulin

7 ай бұрын

Citroën had the best suspensions in the world... And just gave up on it!

This is incredible, the incarnation of flying carpet.

Interesting road-holding comparison with Mercedes, Audi and Citroen!

@vincentchabert3312

Жыл бұрын

and fiat croma lol

@fidelcatsro6948

Жыл бұрын

Mercedes was jumping up and down like a crazy horse...Fiat looked like its front was going to dip into the ground and flip 360degrees over!-FIX IT AGAIN TONY!

@martinsv9183

Жыл бұрын

@@fidelcatsro6948 No, the Mercedes was almost as good as the Citroen.. despite regular suspension. So very well engineered parameters.

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

@@martinsv9183 I noticed it too, and was not very surprised, since Mercedes are excellent designs

@edombre4637

8 ай бұрын

@@fidelcatsro6948 the fiat did better than the merc and audi, but not as good as the citroen

Umm, (Sir/Ma'am) just 1 more thing 🤔. I remember these cars when I was stationed in Germany in the US Army in the late 70s. They were low, fat, and kind of hideous looking, but they rode like they were on rails. Any GM car would be totally outgunned on a serpentine track.

If only this type of Suspension were developed further way ahead of its time

@kasugakyosuke6441

Жыл бұрын

Such a shame they stopped producing this hydropneumatic suspensions system.

@aaaabababa

Жыл бұрын

@@kasugakyosuke6441 to be fair, in the end they watered it down to the point where the cars didn't really feel like they were Hydropneumatic anymore, they felt like someone tried to tell a computer how it should replicate the feel of it with that computer not quite getting it right. All for the sake of making it more "normal"...

@kasugakyosuke6441

Жыл бұрын

@@aaaabababa People who owned or still owning the lastest build Citroën hydropneumatic suspensions versions, C6 and C5 with Hydractive 3 +, aren't telling such things as you claimed. In fact, a C6 was tested by Jeremy Clarkson on a horse racing, as a camera car, against a bmw 5 series. The results are without a surprise, in favor of the amazing suspensions of Citroën. C6 as camera car, gave a perfect stability of images, while the 5 series the commentator wasn't even able to identify the horses or riders.

@aaaabababa

Жыл бұрын

@@kasugakyosuke6441 Yes, they are nice cars, but driving them you do notice, especially if your daily driver is a CX, BX, XM or an even older Citroen, that they have firmed up quite a lot over the years and the nwe ones even feel kinda Synthetic. Hell, even an XM is a lot more of a bumpy ride compared to a CX. That claim is also coming from someone who has owned Loads of older Citroens in the past, the hydropneumatic ones being two CX's, one of which was an S1 GTI 2.4L and the second one being an S2 TRD Turbo 2, a BX S2 TRD Turbo, a Xantia X1 1.8 8 Valve Break and a 2.1TD XM without Hydractive and loves both his current 3.0L C6 with Velours seats and his XM Y3 Turbo CT to bits. Btw. The C6's, or at least the two that i have driven up to now, both lowered themselves slightly when you parked them and went up a bit again after starting the engine back up, that doesn't have any technical reason, that was only done to make you feel like you are driving a real Hydropnematic Citroen.

@kiirunavaara

Жыл бұрын

@@aaaabababa The problem of the late hydractive models was that while they still had hydraulic suspension, the rest of the chassis geometry and weight balance was not as perfectly built around it any more, as it had been in the DS, SM, GS and CX. This was mostly due to shared platform strategy with some Peugeot sister models. They tried to compensate for it with electronics, which still worked pretty good in the XM and Xantia, not so much in the last generation C5. That one is lacking the classic Citroën rear axle construction, and it is way too heavy, with the centre of weight too high above the road. C5 is still a very comfortable car, especially when compared to contemporary competitors of the same size, but its body makes a lot of unnecessary movements which classic Citroëns don't.

I miss this Citroën suspensions. I drove Dyane, Ami 8, BX and XM...It was really nice and safe !

Citroën was the most innovative in dozen of things. But suspension is clearly their success! Far better still today, using small tires compare to electronic cars in front of them, and kept the head in any case. Love these cars for ever.

The sad thing is that speed bumps appeared at the same time Citroens disappeared, our backs and spines are forever crying

I grew up during the 80s and totally remember my father getting a citroen and returning it a week later because he couldn't do donuts 😅😅😅😅

My 2009 C5 exclusive tourer, was the best car I had ever driven . Went from Lincoln to Plymouth, a 6 hour trip...zero fatigue, felt like 6 minutes. RIP. My C5.

@arranchace1306

9 ай бұрын

I got a c5 from 2003, and its still running perfectly today, and i had in time way more expensive and newer cars, yet none drives as smooth as this old C5

Beautiful SM.

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

the queen !!

I miss my Xantia. In France, we have great roads, but the streets are full of speed bumps. :(

Back when comfort was the priority. I mean they rolled...but they still cornered well.

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

the 2cv still had all 4 wheels on the ground and rolles like crazy.

@daszieher

Жыл бұрын

​@@dutchcitroen2cv I know! Incredible! I am thinking of copying the (front) suspension system for a tilting three-wheeler with slightly narrower track. It should make tilt angles beyond 20° possible.

@abcdef-qk6jf

Жыл бұрын

​@@dutchcitroen2cv going full send around a corner on 3 wheels were not unusual in 2 CV racing. But even on 3 wheels it's quite stable - the point where it starts to roll over... hardly any car wouldn't. I did some racing in the original Mini just for the fun of it. It normally drives quite flat around corners - but you can be driving on 3 wheels around corners. The Renault 5 and the Clio could be doing that as well. I guess it's very French - 3 wheels got you safely around the corner - no problem...

J'ai eu une CX 2000, je n'oublierai jamais les qualités de cette voiture

Les Citroën oléopneumatiques avait les meilleures suspensions du monde, et elles évoluait aussi Hydractive , activa ,et puis STOP Prix de revient trop cher. C'était pourtant la spécificité Citroën , sans parler de la personnalité des autos d'avant. Aujourd'hui, presque toutes les automobiles de série se ressemblent. ( Prix de revient, normes) . Bien sûr, elles avaient aussi des défauts, ( finition, qualité de fabrication, fiabilité, équipements) , mais avec le temps, tous ces défauts disparaissaient progressivement. Dommage. Bravo. Très sympa, cet ancien reportage. Merci.

I always loved the DS. It looks futuristic even now.

Ah Citroën, les meilleures suspensions du monde toutes marques confondues !!

@MrSupercar55

Жыл бұрын

Trés bien.

I giggled when I saw the 2cv getting RIPPED through those corners 😂

Merci de mettre en avant ces voitures d'exceptions, j'ai eu 2 GS par opportunité", oui elles roulaient vraiment aussi bien en campagne qu'en montagne. Souvenir d'une tempête de neige , coté Chartres, la route était invisible, mise en fonction de la position haute et j''avais ouvert une "route" à travers champs enneigé, que je connaissais bien, afin que les autres puissent passer aussi par cette trace. J e n'en revenais pas moi-même. Belle vidéo , Merci !

I've had 5 (or 6, I can't remember) BX's, 3 (or 4, I can't remember) Xantia's and I've driven other people's Traction Avant, DS, CX, 2CV, Diane, C15 and GS. At a certain point I was in a colleague's brand new VW Golf and I asked her when she was going to get her suspension repaired, because it literally didn't have any, in my opinion. Same experience in my daughter's BMW and a friends new Mini. Even the tiny Citroën C1 I had a certain point, was more comfortable than those German bricks.

Best cars ever made

Up until a few years ago, a Citroën Xantia Activa held the record for performing the Swedish elk test at the fastest speed. The car that was in second place behind the Citroën was a Porsche.

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

but when you come out of the corner, the xantia drives comfortably ... the porsche as if it has brick suspension.

@Kalimerakis

Жыл бұрын

afaik it still holds the record; in front of McLaren, Porsche, Ferarri, Lotus, etc.

@chrisaskin6144

Жыл бұрын

@@Kalimerakis I'll happily bow to your knowledge. I just feel sure I'd read somewhere a couple of years ago that the Xantia's record had been overtaken by another car - I can't remember which make of car it was other than that it was a performance/supercar such as a McLaren etc.

@Kalimerakis

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisaskin6144 To be fair I just checked Teknikens Värld, where it is still first on the list. But I don't know if others do moose tests too. Talking about it, I checked wikipedia and its also listet as fastest.

@Henry_Jr_Watsson

Жыл бұрын

@@Kalimerakis It still is the best. But they had to stop production. It was much too unreliable for Citroen to keep it. Hope that they revive it one day, but maybe more reliable.

Great video! The ride and handling on my 2cv is brilliant for such an old design. Had a BX years ago, ride was fantastic. Adjustable ride height and self levelling was such a useful feature when I encountered flooded roads or got flat tyre. Really easy to change a tyre too. Although not its not such an innovative concept, I'm keen to try a newer Citroën with progressive hydraulic cushion set up and see how it rides. At least one manufacturer is going against the trend of rock hard seats and suspension that 99% of cars seem to have at the moment!

@icarogemini

Жыл бұрын

Still have a Bx, looovely car ❤

@owensmith8467

Жыл бұрын

I wish I'd kept mine, 1990 BX 14 TGE in Triton Green. A few reliability issues straight after buying it, but is was about 14 years old and £450, but very reliable after a bit of fettling. I'd love another, but not many left now sadly.

@rinkumstinkum831

Жыл бұрын

I had a black Bx Gti back in the day, quick and comfortable

@owensmith8467

Жыл бұрын

Xantia used to be a regular sight until about 7 years ago around me (South Wales), miss seeing them about. Only had a brief ride in one years ago, felt a more sturdy car than my BX.

@andreasu.3546

Жыл бұрын

"At least one manufacturer is going against the trend of rock hard seats and suspension that 99% of cars seem to have at the moment!" - Wish they did. They put hydropneumatic suspension to the grave when production of the C5 (as in C5 proper, not Aircross or "X") ended. As my 2006 C5 is nearing the end of its life, I'm looking out for one of the last C5s from 2016 or 2017 now... These are great cars.

I had several CX's, a GTI and several wagons, great cars.

Купил этой весной Ситроен с5 х7 с пробегом 49000. км. . очень был восхищён управляемостью на дороге ! ! !

I ❤ love these Old Citroens including the CX & BX Cars with the Hydraulic Suspensions etc

The French are Masters of Suspension! When I changed to a French Peugeot 306 (Diesel) many years ago, after driving Mini, BMWs and VW Golfs (Diesel) for many years, I became really impressed by the handling which this car had, compared with the much more stiff suspensions on the German cars. I have driven French cars since then, today a Peugeot 208. As now 75, it will be my last car, I suppose? So I care for it with rust protection in a cold and salty climate.

@Gideon01

Жыл бұрын

My father reluctantly gave up driving at 92. So at 75, I don't see why your present car has to be your last one. Unless you want to keep it for another 20 years or so? As for cars - I had mainly French ones (Citroen, Peugeot, Renault) when I was younger. I then moved to Japanese (Toyota, Suzuki) for the unquestionably superior reliability. Now, at 68, I don't put that much mileage on a car anymore, and I long for the comfort and handling of a Citroen once again. Might be my next car. The choice between ride and reliability is a tough one to make, though.

@RUfromthe40s

9 ай бұрын

at a certain age one feels like the next car you buy it will be the last ,having most of our friends and girlfriends already dead but the age is not forgiving as it is said but i thing for some ,the age is forgiving ,one feels alive with no health issues but having a life of excess, smoking a lot and it seems making no sense in stoping now also entire days of drinking alcohol and still being with health and others who at 40 started to live a life of none excess and healthy it can get but most of those already departed and when at a funeral one sees himself smoking cigars and talking to the ones who are still alive about all life matters@@Gideon01

@sebastien3409

7 ай бұрын

Avec tout ce qu'on mange et tout ce qu'on bois on a bien été obligé de faire des voitures qui nous permettent de rentrer à la maison sans vomir.

@raphael9745

6 ай бұрын

Yes the last one

Citroen may have been weird and unconventional but they did it their way and stuck to their philosophy. Too bad Peugeot went on to dilute all that

@zamaanrana1

Жыл бұрын

I test drove an ultra prestige Ds7 when launched for 3 days literally drove it self,night vision,massage seats,trick suspension, and fancy lights. The spec list was endless, almost as if it was S class or the like. It was full of French luxury and quirkness, but I've never driven an old Citroën to compare.

@MrManBuzz

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that approach is what bankrupted them also. The unfortunate reality is for most people they want something conventional and vanilla. For a mass market manufacturer you have to stay within that for the most part or you'll go bust.

@saudibert5626

Жыл бұрын

@@MrManBuzz Quando a Citroen faliu ? Você não sabe o que está falando .

@MrManBuzz

Жыл бұрын

@@saudibert5626 They went bankrupt in 1974. That's failure. Você idiota grande.

I rented a Citroen Xantia for 3 weeks on a European trip and the suspension was amazing. It would soak up bumps and pot holes like nothing I had ever experienced and float down rugged winding secondary roads. The car overall was not impressive though. The shifter was so spongy and inexact and the black hard plastic interior was basic but it was overall a very positive experience.

How the 2CV can lean over so much but never topple over is one of the great mysteries of science! By the 1980s they had perfected the system so it managed to handle well AND give that magic carpet ride, as cars like the BX and XM, and later the incredible Xantia Activa demonstrated. What a pity they gave up dong things their own way, because this type of suspension would be SO WELL suited to the appalling and ever worsening British road condition!

@samtosh975

9 ай бұрын

The only way to topple a 2 CV is to swerve it backwards at a high speed. Tested.

@010Astroboy

9 ай бұрын

​@@samtosh975Probably true but guess what? Even upside down it won't collapse and it is so light, one strong man can push it back upright on its wheels undamaged and drive away. Show me another car that can do that!

3:36 Looks a dainty old lady dancing!

Drove a xantia diesel when new in 1995, fantastic car, ride quality was superb

This is like one of those documentaries on Concorde or the Space Shuttle.....shows how we have seemingly gone backwards technologically rather than forwards and technology of 40 or 50 years ago can still show up modern engineering.

That's indeed a great montage, which I've always wanted to see!

Most great suspension system!!

The 2CV is amazing, I would love to have one.

That leaning of the 2CV is biblical 🤣🤣

My 1973 DS designed for the poor road conditions in post war France is ideal for the poor road conditions in 21st century Britain. 😀

It's like a permanent Zahouli dance. I had a GS Club and a GSA and were amazingly comfortable.

I thought it was Louis de Funes who was testing all the Citroen cars in his movies 😂

Suspension is Citroën

This is a real gem. Thank you!!

i had several citroen´s ,as second source of income i sold 2nd hand cars and by this time citroens were one of the most seen cars in Portuguese roads ,i can say that all of this in the video i made it and even worse ,normally i would be drunk and remenber not being able to roll a 2cv ,but either than the ds 19 gt and the ds 21 who were perfect ,not one car in the world had this type of suspenction or the rolls royce silver shadow was allowed to use the citroen system but the 2cv and the dyane were impossible to roll over no matter what one would do ,the cx was a car from the future, the cx seen on the footage as a white car is the last 80´s cx ,the most modern, i can sayn that i bought 4 years ago a Xantia for 500€ and two other were ofered to me all 1.9 turbo-diesel, so the car was perfect ,i took a wheel and then drve it on a hill with turns up the hil and down the hill not once the car behaviour was nothing but normal which i can´t say from any other car, the more modern ones don´t have hidraulic suspenction but are very confortable and safe to drive ,also with details diferent from other cars, the C5 is already with some years but what a car it´s made with taste not only one more car on the road looks and drives like that , but a exception to the rule, but i would always prefer a Mercedes w124 , in 95 the last year of this car production with a 250D diesel engine was considered the best car in the world, and knowing the car i don´t doubt it, had maybe 5 of them including 2 coupés , once in the early 90´s i drove a 2cv produced in Portugal till 86 with better finishings but equal to others more older in terms of technology i drove it with 6 people on it for a down hill straight road being at 50 km/h and at the end of the road it was a 45 degrees turn ,but he made the turn ,at the time almost seemed impossible what i had just done this being already drunk or i would have the guts to do what i did

M'y parents had got an old 2 CV from 1958, then an ami6 from 63. And then 2 Citroen GS, the 1015 cc and the 1220 cc. In Germany even with the 1015, 160 kmh on' German.autobahn was....normal !

CItroen is a God of suspencion, they are very foolproof, I like it :D

L'oléopneumatique de Citroën est la meilleure suspenssion au monde. Il n'y a jamais eu mieux depuis, il n'y aura sans doute jamais meilleure. Jamais.

Ich bin mit einem CX Kombi in den 90er Jahren auf Rügen gefahren, mit unentwickeltem Film-Material im Gepäckraum (die Film-Profis schaudern bestimmt schon). Alle Trabi Fahrer werden sich an diese Urlaubsfahrten erinnern (siehe um Minute 7). Ich bestätige: 120 km/h (ja, ich weiß, ist aber schon verjährt) war eine perfekte Geschwindigkeit. Die Filmrollen hatten keinen Schatten. Das ist nicht umsonst ein geliebtes Fahrzeug der Filmgesellschaften gewesen.

Filmed from other Citroëns, otherwise the camera vehicle would have gone to the ditch a long time ago... 1:57 Look at the forest from the body-cam, so stable! Rolls-Royce used the Citroën suspension system on theyr cars

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

mercedes did to , forgot in what model.

@akronymus

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchcitroen2cv If I remember right, Merc only equipped the rear axle with a reduced cheapo hydropneumatic system.

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

@@akronymus oke. That i did not know.

@martinsv9183

Жыл бұрын

@@akronymus No, it was much refined by MB for use in the S-class w116. They used the patent and developed it further.

@monunyabidness5949

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchcitroen2cv Nope. Similar but not the same.

That 2CV footage is terrifying, the thing is leaning so much

I wonder why so little effort was put by car manufacturers on improving suspensions (except by Citroen and few other isolated examples) being the second most important active safety feature,

@cardinaloflannagancr8929

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing instead cars in general actually ride worse not better as years go by. Suspensions such as this would even allow the needlessly low profile firm tires everything form cars to trucks used. While still allowing a comfortable ride and excellent handling. Roads in the US at least have only gotten worse. Yet manufacturers more and more sit closer to the ground and pretty much require firm suspensions as a result. They then are paired with firm low profile sidewall tires which end result is an inability to absorb impact which then gets transmitted through the chassis. Besides increasing the chance of loss of traction as the tire cannot maintain adequate contact.

The humpback test was impressive. The other cars almost lost control

Such a silky smooth ride. They don’t make ‘em like they used to.

Owned 2 CX´s. Really liked them.

Shame they stopped making these excellent Citroens.. if they made these 70s 80s ones now I'd buy one.

We had a bunch of citroens, the suspension was amazing but the rest of the car was beyond quirky. So quirky it was an embarrassment. It was like citroen had tried to be different for the sake of it on everything most of which was just an annoyance. Handbrake on the dash, radio sideways in the centre console where biscuits used to fill it up, doors nobody could open, windows that shattered if the door was closed with it wound down, assuming the winder hadn't already broken. They were terribly built, rusted before they were 5 years old and they looked weird.You can see the bonnet rattling in the video with wonky shut lines all over. I yearned for my dad to have a normal car instead of our yellow and brown p.o.s. And yet, I see one today, I can't help but smile and I'm impressed it made it this far without rusting away completely.

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

this was (and still is) the sicknes of french cars, compared to german ones...

This video clearly shows Citroen's superior handling skills, suspension and safety. Of course we knew that when we had one. The new Citroen C5-X looks really good though.

@acptelford1307

9 ай бұрын

Not a proper Citroen though

Mental frog machines . Brilliant individual characterful machines that modern cars are woefully lacking.

they have still best suspension i can assure.

The best suspension on the world

Comfortable ride quality has gone down since then.

The hydropneumatic suspension system (on the DS, SM, GS and CX) is the most advanced suspension system there is!

@kiirunavaara

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the Xantia Activa 🙂

@honumoorea873

Жыл бұрын

Not really no....

@saudibert5626

Жыл бұрын

@@honumoorea873 yes , Citroen Fantastic !

@WhiteNightsCity

Жыл бұрын

Citroen Activa (prototype) had the most advanced suspension of all times.

I drove all of these Citroëns including the SM model ! Out of them I've liked the XM the best....

@Kalimerakis

Жыл бұрын

I envy you! Why do you like the XM the most?

@ImportedFromSerbia

Жыл бұрын

@@Kalimerakis it was the top of line, like a S class for mercedes.

Haha....funny seeing those old cars totally leaning over

J'ai appris à conduire sur la DS21 injection de mon père une voiture fantastique, belle à tomber tenue de route incomparable il lui manquait juste un moteur à la hauteur du châssis. Citroën à toujours été un constructeur à part 😉🇫🇷 Mon père a eu trois DS puis une CX 2400 gti ensuite une XM La tenue de route de ces voitures était effectivement hors du commun pour l'époque. Le freinage puissant mais trop brutal. Je nous revois sur l'autoroute à 200 km/h heureuse époque sans radar 🙄

@gilpile

10 ай бұрын

Heureuse époque sans radar ? C'était surtout l'époque où il y avait 100 fois moins de voitures... et de débiles sur les routes. C'est pour cette raison qu'on a besoin de radars et de lois strictes.

i have not driven many old cars, but i did drive GS,CX,BX,AX,ZX and 2CV and Diana... and if those are accurate steerings..uffff i dont wanna try any other old cars.

@akronymus

Жыл бұрын

Think about the meanings of the words ›accurate‹ and ›direct‹.

The only other cars that had hydropneumatique suspension in the time of the great CX we're rolls royce and maserati, under Citroën licence. I learned to drive in a cx 2.5 td fastest diesel then, driven bx, xantia, xm,c5..... All great cars best comfort ever... But my heart goes to the CX, a saloon on wheels with a style and design, inside and outside comparable to nothing else.... A truly unique car

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

agree...with the glorius SM !

さすがシトロエン このサスペンションと機構に魅せられてスフィアが壊れようと何が起ころうと車の購入費の何倍も払ってしまうファンがたくさん存在するのも納得する。

If you take a Citroen DS to the Nurburgring and launch it at speed and with a decent driver it would surely do a better time than even all modern sedans.

@bikesfrench8524

Жыл бұрын

Xm V6

Kalau merc dengan Citroen ni,memang lagi padu citroen. Dulu skeptikal org ckap merc dengan bmw suspension best,tapi dah test drive citroen lg best.

Ich habe eine 40 Jahre alte Ente, und die Federung ist bis heute vielen Fahrzeugen weit überlegen. Ich Bretter mit 60kmh über Hindernisse wie "Berliner Bremskissen" und wenn die Autos hinter mir das auch versuchen haben sie einen 2000€ Termin in der Werkstatt gebucht. Auch hohe Bordsteine und unbefestigte Wege sind keine Probleme. Die heutigen Autobauer sind allesamt zu dämlich den Fahrzeugen eine gescheite Federung und ein gutes Fahrwerk zu verpassen.

I've experienced the hydropneumatic suspension... it's very comfortable indeed

I hate lowered vehicles on skinny tires , I have one and it's horrible. I've had a 1989 Toyota Corolla with the same suspension characteristics as these citroëns and it drove like a scalded dog . . . best car I've ever had. Lot's of understeer in the wet , but so predictable . . . in dry conditions lifted it's rear inner wheel , when taking hard corners.

@kiirunavaara

Жыл бұрын

Did that Corolla have the active suspension fitted which was available for the Celica around that time? This was a bit similar to the Xantia Activa suspension. I'd be really curious to try the Toyota version.

@bebobism

Жыл бұрын

@@kiirunavaara Noop , just standard Corolla GTSI suspension and on 175/70 - 13 tires. 😀

En la época de los SUV sería la suspension definitiva, sobre todo por la altura constante y regulable.

Citroën hydraulic suspension, it was like a Concorde in the car version. 🤔🤔🤔 Fantomas upgraded his car. 😎😎😎

I owned a DS Super 5 in the 70s nothing like it on wheels then or Now of course it helped my initials Are D S

La cx 2500 gti était la meilleure ds de tout les temps tout les adorateur de la marques en ont une gti 2500 cx ❤

for drivers it is indeed the best but as a child....i was puking all the time in the CX

@fabricericker7320

8 ай бұрын

What a bizarre comment. Well, rear passengers maybe, if the driver wasn't gifted: In turns, if you braked at the wrong time, the "ass" would rise very high.... The wrong moment = AFTER you started turning the wheel. You had to brake BEFORE.

Holy smokes, that 2CV body roll !

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

its fun , i drive allot like that in my 2cv ;-)

Driven Citroens since 1989 - remarkably rust-free [unlike the Renaults and Peugeot that preceded them] and nothing to touch them. Sadly my C5 isn't a patch on the BX's I had, and the wonderful CX's. Rented "new" Citroens on holiday, and they are such a disappointment. If I win the pools I'll get a DS and get it converted to Electric -that would be the canine's privates!

So that's what made those 70s and 80s movies car chase scenes sp awesome.

J'adore...et regrette tellement ma DS21.

LE GENIE FRANCAIS, MESSIEURS DAMES😉👋👋👋

drove all 70's models, owned a GS, still miss that girl, not one to be seen the roads these days, such a shame

in this time Citroenc built the best the best Cars in the World

My dad had a CX I had a BX both flawed cars with flawless suspension I miss classic Citroën

a lot of the "bad" test roads there are now the regular implementation of roads in the UK with all the pot holes we have !

@dutchcitroen2cv

Жыл бұрын

time to buy an old cx ;-)

@karlosh9286

Жыл бұрын

@@dutchcitroen2cv yeah !

@AlainTerieur75

Жыл бұрын

if it can help you, it's becoming same in France day after day...