didn't know Harrison Ford was a brain scientist

@Betty9971

6 ай бұрын

I can’t unsee Han Solo.

@julieamcalees2929

6 ай бұрын

😂

@iggynowa5497

5 ай бұрын

Inidiana Jones is actually german!

@james6401

5 ай бұрын

Now that you say it...

@user-wx6pf2bc2r

4 ай бұрын

He's a replicant...don't trust him.

I love that he isn't shy about describing his own conscious experience. Sometimes people talk about consciousness in a way that makes me wonder if they have even experienced it.

@user-xn5do6xc1u

7 ай бұрын

yes, Chistonf and Giulio Tononi are honest and don't discount their personal experience. Dennett says it's an illusion, even though he personally experiencing it. That's just strange.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

@MontyCantsin5

2 ай бұрын

@user-xn5do6xc1u: That’s not strange at all. We experience illusions all the time.

@MontyCantsin5

Ай бұрын

@chetsenior7253: Objectivity does exist within science.

Really loved this one. As always, excellent content!!

Enjoyed this conversation and I think the various types of experiments mentioned by Christoph were intuitive and relatable.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

awareness is information processer , but you are beyond all , the true love

Han Solo?

@sonyavincent7450

7 ай бұрын

Strong the likeness in this one is.....

German neuroscientist: "I can't interfere with a human brain the way I would like to" That's good to hear

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

@12polizei24wegvonhier

5 ай бұрын

Germans and human experiments are not a good mix indeed

I think he mentioned Daniel Dennett near the end, which was cool because his discussion of attention and consciousness reminded me of Dennett’s “multiple drafts” model in which consciousness arises, not in a single locus but in multiple loci which compete for the center of attention.

great conversation! love the zombie-agent description.

I like how he avoids the semantic ontology of it all and instead describes processes which occur to us and can be manipulated experimentally - so the question is not what, but how? Supervening critical state phenomena or whatever.

@anywallsocket

Ай бұрын

@chetsenior7253 depends on the question doesn't it

This dude is intense 😮

"Consciousness is a real phenomenon that needs to be fitted into the natural order of things." I think his conclusion is so very correct. Who does not face the daily reality of consciousness? If consciousness is an illusion, every other thing is an unreality. Without consciousness, nothing exists because there will be no awareness of anything or of any kind and therefore nothing essentially will exist.

@Promatheos

7 ай бұрын

Exactly. If there were no eyes, the sun wouldn't be bright. What is a star when there is no awareness to see it's light or feel it's heat? Whatever description you came up with would be meaningless, really. A star wouldn't even be distinguishable as an object distinct from the rest of the continuous ocean of reality. The form of the universe is created through an awareness of it. This is why consciousness is the most fundamental layer of existence.

@simonhibbs887

7 ай бұрын

There are various opinions, but when a lot of people talk about the nature of consciousness being an illusion they don’t mean it doesn’t exist. They mean it isn’t what it appears to be. That a lot of what we think or believe about consciousness is mistaken. There was a great interview with Susan Blackmore on this on the channel a few months ago. When there is a discrepancy between physical reality and your conscious perception. When they vary, which one wins. Your mistaken perception or reality? Surely the fact that we can have misperceptions, and be wrong about what we perceive, proves that objective reality is primary over our conscious experience?

@Promatheos

7 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 You just have to be careful about what we're calling "objective reality." Take a simple case. We're together in a room with a table and you say to me, "There's a table there." I say, "No there isn't, that's not a table that's just wood." You say "Well, if you wanna play that game, it's not even wood it's just atoms." A blind person enters the room and says they don't even see a table, etc... All we can actually talk about is perception, but there's no way to ever say okay we finally reached "objective reality." All you have is perceptions and other people around you agreeing with your perceptions. What is the source of all perception? It's consciousness. That "light" of experience is a constant while the whole universe around us is in constant change. Even if we're in a matrix or a dream, consciousness cannot be doubted. That is why consciousness is primary.

@peweegangloku6428

7 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 In that case, talk about perception instead of consciousness. Consciousness and perception are two different things.

@simonhibbs887

7 ай бұрын

@@peweegangloku6428 That is true, we can perceive things without being conscious of them, but I’m talking specifically about conscious perceptions, which is why I talked about conscious experiences.

It sounds like whatever consciousness is, it allows us to glance into the future and select the path our memories favor. Essentially, when perturbed, conscious organisms rapidly review memories and qualia to decide which quantum entanglements they should collapse next. Consciousness merges our past and our future, creating our reality.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Imagination is looking into the future. Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

I like this the redness of red .. what it is thats mysterious.. in my life my brain has stored memories of what levels red (wavelength differences) i see .. some of them are associated with experiences that well influence my evaluation of the red wavelength I’m presented with in regards to either intensity or feelings.. The redness is the expression of this.. I’m no expert so please teach me if I’m simplifying this

4:27, 5:46, 10:58 it seems as psyche through the somatic system alerts consciousness by drawing attention or focusing to the most relevant event 🤔

The first mistake in understanding consciousness is to THINK about it and think that it is understandable . The observer and object of observation method of understanding reality has a built in obstacle that prevents the inquirer from realizing what consciousness is . Drop everything you THINK you know about consciousness and what remains is that which is awake to itself . No amount of thinking will create a bridge to this realization . The journey to pure consciousness is from here to here occurring now .

It's interesting that we can define every experience human beings feel as species here, however i feel zombie agents maybe just layers residing inside consciousness. I mean you are talking about your experience of having a conscious state here than non-conscious state or even non living state, whether we identify these thoughts or we don't identify these thoughts as self / third eye view of experiencing now.

Pain is the most efficient reminder of what consciousness is. 💯 If we could be conscious minus being conscious of pain (physical and mental) we'd be freer to create a better life for ourselves and others. Would we still fear death? Would we still need religion? Would we still feel true love which is about vulnerability? I don't know but I do know that I'd like to find that place and stay there for a while... 😉

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

What people do not realise is that we are here to suffer, punishment for having sinned in Heaven. So people have become fun-seekers, good luck luck with that one.........................Falun Dafa

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

We are put here to suffer to redeem ourselves and to return home to heaven. Falun Dafa

@bananmanx4764

6 ай бұрын

Be careful playing with consciousness, you may want to get rid of pain but you might end up ridding yourself of so much more, there isn't exactly a way to check. Even if people say they are fine, it could just be because you tinkered with their brain.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

@@bananmanx4764 First of all it is the soul that is conscious, Created by God, nothing at all to fret about..............Falun Dafa

adds seperate from blood with or a meening

I like the idea that consciousness helps us to survive. Surely then animals must have consciousness also to some level.

@MegaDonaldification

7 ай бұрын

They have, but theirs cant be heightened willingly like humans can. After the pandemic, some marvelous transpired and many brushed it off. Each continent took advantage of it in an impatient context, specifically the youths or young ones. For few, it became an eye opener to take advantage of space, air, and sun.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

Every living thing has a soul.

@svendtang5432

7 ай бұрын

Off course they have .. look at dogs, dolphins and monkeys and tell they they don’t.. it’s not a scientific based assumption but they will get therr

@svendtang5432

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514souls😂 you mean level of cons

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? Conscious simply means awake.

I believe Christof goes off-target with discussion starting at 4:07. Just because "hard consciousness" is "hard", doesn't mean there is only room for one neural device for consciousness within our skulls. As best I can tell, we have many (at least hundreds of) "conscious devices" all working in parallel, all looking for "important stuff" in their specialized areas, but only one is selected as to immediately influence our actions and to be recorded to our "story memory". So when he identifies that "higher up" level, the information is already beyond the "hard consciousness" stage and into an "attentive" central and mostly classical "executive" stage.

Christof Koch, in speaking about his intense tooth pain during the camping trip, and about whether it is a real thing or only a state of mind, reminds me of the many philosophers (and armchair philosophers) I have heard attributed who, in an act to show that reality is real and not imaginary, swiftly kicked a large rock, hurting his toes, and exclaimed "I refute it thusly". The surprising thing is how many different raconteurs wish to claim credit for that line.

Travelling gingers you to filter however much you want to get the answer you want. List comprehension is like the internal filter searching within the the forever loop to acquire a target to meet its required goal. Patience is a mover and a stopper. Impatience is intermittent at best.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

What people do not realise is that we are here to suffer, punishment for having sinned in Heaven. So people have become fun-seekers, good luck luck with that one.........................Falun Dafa

I think Christof Koch has 100% the right insights. The moment he realizes that perception, memory, attention and self-consciousness come together in a network in which our environment and ourselves in it are all connected, he can easily reconstruct the whole. The 4D network of neurons, probably but not necessarily in the cerebellum, which for example represents the place behind your head slightly higher than yourself one meter away, in neurons. A network created to map out paths.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

Good luck with getting said network to "feel" or be "self-aware" or experience any kind of "qualia". If Christof Koch thinks this is possible, he is about as deluded as any Materialist can get with their old-school religion. Neural correlation is not neural causation.

@MacWiedijk

7 ай бұрын

@@jamenta2 Qualia and experiences can ultimately be explained from biological systems. To say that consciousness is an isolated phenomenon is to say that you know nothing.

@simonhibbs887

7 ай бұрын

@@jamenta2Your honour, I plead not guilty. My fist hitting his nose merely correlates with his nose getting broken. Correlation is not causation!

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 No, actually the fist hitting his nose would be causation, not correlation. You fail to understand this well known concept in science. Sorry. I would not give you a passing grade on your logic here. You can post bail at the bailiff's Oxford's Handbook of Causation office.

@MacWiedijk

7 ай бұрын

​@@jamenta2 With causation there is always correlation. The other way around sometimes.

Are there any studies on hypnotized people? And what would that say about consciousness vs perception?

@blijebij

7 ай бұрын

It would show that consciousness is never free from suggestive experience inside our awareness. So awareness, association and consciousess blurr over in eachother with a varity linked to stages. So the lower brainwaves go, beta, alpha, theta and delta. The more consciousness becomes smaller less dominant and association inside awareness bigger. but its always a mix. This means that hypnotic trance, if its deep, and dreaming, rem sleep, are strongly related.

@S3RAVA3LM

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's an interesting field. Is it really consciousness that is manipulated or the bodies relation to brain, and brain to sense perception organs that are exploited. There was a man who was locked in a freezer once, and he died. First responders found out the freezer wasn't even on.

Consciousness is the source of all physical worldly experience. Consciousness is not created from Physical brain composition but it is opposite where consciousness enables us to experience the physical world through various sense organs with billions of neurons.

It's so weird that all of the brain scientists, and even the philosophers on CTT talk about consciousness as if it is a stand-alone phenomenon. Who exactly do they think is conscious? It is the self that has the ability to be aware, and even a single cell creature has a certain amount of awareness. Maybe consciousness isn't really a thing at all.

@S3RAVA3LM

7 ай бұрын

I think you're on to something here. I study theology, in the scientific sense and not mere belief, and the Wiseman always speak of consciousness as that which can never be grasped, thought of, or defined, but always ungraspable yet allows for grasping concepts and things; always unintelligible but allows for the intelligible. This is simply the nature of consciousness I learn. It's never known directly, or objectively, but indirectly or as the subject.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

Consciousness is the part of you that is reading this right now, your soul, you.......................Falun Dafa

@caricue

7 ай бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 If your soul knows how to read, has all of your memories and can control your arms and legs, what exactly do you have a brain for? It seems rather redundant.

@caricue

7 ай бұрын

@@S3RAVA3LM If you tell me that a thing can't be grasped, thought of or defined, maybe the only logical conclusion is that the thing doesn't actually exist. If you look inside a human, all you will find is living tissue, so it's also reasonable to conclude that it is living tissue that through some unknown physical process becomes an entity, and part of being a living organism is awareness of yourself and your surroundings. What we would call conscious is just a thing being alive.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

@@caricue The brain is like the cockpit of an airplane and the pilot is the soul. Nothing redundant there. You are a soul in a flesh body. People today have made flesh more important than spirit, big mistake that leads to gluttony.

You're simply differentiating between what Alan Watts refers to as "Spotlight Consciousness" vs "Floodlight Consciousness." 👈 Fascinating conversation of his that he tells many times, with various anecdotes. I encourage all to look it up. Thank you, Robert! 🙌🧠💪

@user-gk9lg5sp4y

7 ай бұрын

Love me some Alan Watts

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

the outside loop and the inside loop, or the loop and the filter - the senses.

Consciousness isn't an illusion, it's a layered framework in our bodies that creates a persistent chain reaction that only stops when we die.

@user-kq6pi7uo4d

7 ай бұрын

Если сознание иллюзия, к кому ты обращаешься.🤡

@szymskiPL

7 ай бұрын

I think it is. Qualia are illusions. The brain produces simplified view of the world based on stimuli, decorated by all kinds of sensations. Colors for example aren't a physical property of objects. Experiencing red is just an illusion, there is no such property as "red" to real objects, rather, it is a simplification which makes it easier to make decisions. Flow of time is another good example. Almost all physicists agree that the Universe is a static structure. Time doesn't flow in any direction, past and future are equally real. Yet we somehow experience flow of time. This is an illusion, but that doesn't make it any less real.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@szymskiPL How is qualia produced by physical objects?

@j-perezmusic

7 ай бұрын

We have souls . We are consciousness.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@j-perezmusic I think there is a very good chance of that - and there is actually a good amount of science that points in this direction. Be well!

People who say consciousness is not real don't know what they're talking about.🤔

When Christof talks of zombie agents, does he mean conscious beings that at some point had their consciousness taken away? Because from the way I understand it, the zombies to develop the muscle memory to ride the cycle or swing a tennis backhand, had to have some form of initial information about the action to be done.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Zombies are creatures without souls, forget them and take up a practice that will purify your soul...................Falun Dafa

It's critically important to avoid blurry terms to get to any meaningful understanding of Consciousness. Sunlight illuminates an object. Vision illuminates what is sensed by the eye. Mind illuminates what is perceived in the brain. Consciousness illuminates the mind. Consciousness is self-effulgent, and is not illuminated by anything else.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Simply put, consciousness is our soul when we are awake.

@picksalot1

6 ай бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 I think you're missing that Consciousness is present in all States of Experience - Waking, Dream, and Deep Sleep. Consciousness never disappears or goes to sleep, but the Mind does.

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

@@picksalot1 When you are asleep you are unconscious. Your soul leaves and enters another dimension. The soul, mind and consciousness are one. The brain does not think.

@picksalot1

6 ай бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 I'm Consciousness all the time, and in that sense I'm always conscious, even in deep sleep. Fundamentally, everything is consciousness.

About 20 years ago, Christof told me it would take about 30 years for neuroscientists to discover how the brain stores particular beliefs or values, that could be weaponized (by nanotech or a designer virus) into a tool of mass mind control. So although it's nice that neuroscientists are tediously collecting data that may someday lead to the solution of the Hard Problem (explaining how brain activity produces qualia), their research may instead someday lead to catastrophe.

@user-kq6pi7uo4d

7 ай бұрын

Их исследования приведут их к философии

@dancingdoungnut

7 ай бұрын

Yeah like 95% of all technology humans have made. Nothing new 🥱. But, the real challenge will be in intervention and ethics research so that safe practices can be applied, hopefully, at the legal level.

@brothermine2292

7 ай бұрын

@@dancingdoungnut : Nothing new about global mass mind control? Think again.

@S3RAVA3LM

7 ай бұрын

Those who know how to heal you, too know how to break you. Those who understand you, too know how to control you.

@svendtang5432

7 ай бұрын

We are already able to influence the redness of red with drugs so….

Conscious Action, or Action of the Being, requires no less degree of Attention. In turn, Attention is managed unconsciously. Conscious Action involves attributing such an action to an entity, to the Being, which implies information processing significantly higher than the level of information processing required by the simple action of perceiving.

@MacWiedijk

7 ай бұрын

@guillermobrand8458 You have attention and the observation of attention. Observing your attention to a subject reduces your attention to the subject. They are two systems that use the same resources.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

One gains wisdom not by telling but by asking. What people do not realise is that we are here to suffer, punishment for having sinned in Heaven. So people have become fun-seekers, good luck luck with that one.........................Falun Dafa

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is when we are aware, awake, our soul.

Very clear exposition. Koch and his long-time collaborator Francis Crick argued that consciousness is "nothing but" a physical process, primarily the neural correlates of consciousness. I fundamentally disagree with this kind of reductionism (while still believing that phenomena with conscious properties can eventually be explained via natural science), but there is a lot that a non-reductionist can learn from the kind of empirical research he discusses.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

There is much a reductionist can learn from the last 30+ years of Near-Death scientific studies.

@fbkintanar

7 ай бұрын

@@jamenta2 What major insights do you think that body of research provides?

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@fbkintanar The same scientific evidence neurobiologists have helped reveal in the last 50+ years: the brain is correlated with consciousness, but there is no scientific evidence it can produce consciousness.

I have a question for the comments section. To anyone who has been blackout drunk before: Are you still there? Is there consciousness but no memory or do the lights just go off while your body is still upright and interacting with the world? I’ve never been blackout drunk but that sounds like the closest thing to a zombie to me.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

The ego i.e. the portion of consciousness you generally are aware of - is only a small tip of the iceberg of consciousness. The deeper you go into consciousness - the wider its scope and breadth. Consciousness can operate autonomously without ego awareness. Also, trying to figure out the nature of consciousness with a neurobiologist, is like trying to understand Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata by examining the parts of a radio.

@MacWiedijk

7 ай бұрын

@@jamenta2 I know Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata mainly through the radio.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@MacWiedijk Correlation is not causation. Try again.

@szymskiPL

7 ай бұрын

If you're interested in the state where conscious experience is totally switched off, you may want to research global anesthetics.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

I had at least two black outs a week for ten years. Our soul objects to the stink of alcohol and leaves to another dimension and sometimes a demon takes control, no fun......................Falun Dafa

You watch a highly scientific conversation. Suddenly out of nowhere: 07:50

Koch certainly crammed a lot of neurological rhetoric in 12 minutes without actually saying anything or answering the questions on everybody's mind - "what is consciousness?" .....the key word here is "mind"

@oldrusty6527

7 ай бұрын

Nobody knows what consciousness is.

@PetraKann

7 ай бұрын

@@oldrusty6527 indeed

While literal p-zombies may be unlikely especially from a panpsychist/materialist view I do think they are possible and perhaps even already existing if you view them in terms of not "having the lights off", but rather as the lights being distorted beyond anything that would be meaningful to a human. With electronics and digital ai we can create something that will outwardly show most of the behavior we consider human, but the build up and processing is completely different from a human so it would not be strange to think if it was conscious it would be completely distorted. Even if you put in and processed a whole brain scan in a computer the actual physical thing would need to be interpreted in a vastly different way from an actual brain in order to arrive at an image like our conscious experience, so although robots and ai may appear deceptively real and human, I am very skeptical and concerned for the people that will be fooled.

The fact that a consciousness exist is why i believe that we have a free but very restricted will. most of the things we can experience that being feelings, emotions, desires, urges and sensations are felt consciously, now why would the body signal the conscious mind if it didn't do anything?

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply you, your soul, when you are awake. Of course, everyone has and is experiencing consciousness.....................Falun Dafa

@jeffforsythe9514

6 ай бұрын

Consciousness is simply us when we are awake, the soul.

Consciousness is Planck's frequency of superfluid timeless quantum space.

10:55 Consciousness arguably cannot be an illusion because an illusion is something that occurs within the brain. Otherwise, illusion must come before consciousness for consciousness to be an illusion. And what would that even mean in practice?

WOW Best episod ever. Thinking that what information goes to my eye and what i see are two different things makes me feel like whole world is just imagination and i will never see it in true form

@simonhibbs887

7 ай бұрын

The world of our perception, that we experience, is not the actual world. Rather, it is a model of the world generated by our cognitive systems and populated from sensory inputs. It’s a virtual reality created by our brains that maps on to physical reality. This is why we can experience illusions or misperceptions, these are discrepancies between the sensory model and the physical world. Note that I am not denying the existence of a physical world. I am a physicalist. I believe it is real, but we do not experience it directly. The mistake Idealists make is that they take this experiential model created by our brains as primary and deny the physical world. That doesn’t work because, as I pointed out above, when there is a discrepancy between our perception and reality, reality always wins. They don’t take into account our ability for action, to test our perceptions against reality. This is how we know there is an objective universe.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 Except the scientific evidence of Near-Death Studies - conducted over the last 30+ years by numerous scientists worldwide refutes your physicalist assumption the brain produces consciousness, since the scientific evidence demonstrates consciousness can be present when the brain is severely impaired or not functioning at all. This is science you (and Kuhn) pretty much ignore as if it doesn't even exist - which does not make your claim credible or scientifically non-biased. And on the other side of the coin, physicalists have yet to produce any scientific evidence the brain actually produces consciousness. Currently, neurologists have only been able to establish correlation of consciousness with brain states - but have not demonstrated causation. As far as science knows currently, the brain can act just like a radio or as an interface used by consciousness to operate in physical reality. The question of causation remains an open question scientifically. So on one hand, there is solid scientific evidence which you and Kuhn marginalize and do not take seriously - and on the other hand, your position is one with no scientific evidence at all. For me, this indicates a strong bias on both your parts, and lacks the objectivity science requires in order to move forward.

@oldrusty6527

7 ай бұрын

​@@simonhibbs887It seems like there has been a big upsurge of idealism lately

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

What people do not realise is that we are here to suffer, punishment for having sinned in Heaven. So people have become fun-seekers, good luck luck with that one.........................Falun Dafa

@BOOGY110011

7 ай бұрын

@jeffforsythe9514 please we have here conversation. Keep religious nonsense to your self please

Scientists constantly try to come up Novel Inventions called Theories. The more fascinating the more hot seller

If we have another senses like tapedam lusidam of tiger soul and others were seen by us

get the greatest view on consciousness by Advaita Vedanta , of India. The greatest person for the conversation will be Swami Sarvapriyananda

I mean. Sure you can control, but it's not like you're strong enough to do everything? I'm sure there's room for error, there's so much room for error. You say it takes 300-400 milliseconds for consciousness to happen, I think that's so fast that one can see thoughts being formed in an instance. I must say he speaks in a very fluent manner. Besides, why would consciousness have such a fast reaction? I mean, why would one be so fast?

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

Consciousness is the part of you that is reading this right now, your soul, you.......................Falun Dafa

why the scientist is supposing first that conscious depend on the eye sight, do blind people dont have conscious ness? what some is blind deaf lack hands and legs, will he will not have consciousness? so why we are conducting experiments based on senses?

Why does consciousness feel so real? Well, if our brains were programmed to believe it isn't real, that it's an illusion, so on, we would waste too much resources to thinking about it, decreasing chances of survival. The brain has to be programmed in a way where we believe consciousness is a real thing totally separate of physical world, because it's the best solution for survival.

Given that, information in its essence is "non-material", what can we say in general about the existence of "non-material" entities, such as "mind"? Is there a simple or complex logical way to "prove" that non-material entities cannot exist, or can not exist in the same way as material entities do? Sorry about the additional questions that follow: Is one way of existence more real than the other, or more preferred? Do we know for sure that only those truths can exist that can be proven? Why is "proof" the final guarantee? Is truth a material entity? Is energy non-material? What about language and logic? Sorry about this dump of questions, but just had to do it.

All I have attention for is the bikini-clad assistent that was brought up in the beginning, what was the rest they were saying? 😂

If the electricity company shuts off the supply of electricity, your computer will suddenly lose the amazing game that you were enjoying. Sadly, your consciousness is just as fragile.

I have started watching and searching the word "Krolia"? How is it spelled...either way I am.

@IZ6

6 ай бұрын

? Choralia

I lost consciousness watching this lol

Math and Science are the two major disciplines, where does spirituality fall into this equation?

JOHN: Master, how God like you think about Consciousness? THOMAS: They can be physical awareness or spiritual awakening. When Jesus Christ said you are all intoxicated and came to this world empty yet also intend to leave the world empty, he was referring to the Matrix's simulation. Physical consciousness means you are aware of your surroundings with your 5 senses but unaware of who you really are and why are you here. Instead, you focus on Earthly things like enriching thyself or fulfilling dreams. Meanwhile, Spiritual Consciousness is the opening of your 3rd eye where you see the world differently and aware that most people are unaware that they are inside a simulated reality. And then you become more conscious and seek divine wisdom as well as to transcend from human to a higher being separated from the rest of ordinary and slave people. Free from the entrapment of your soul in a repeated cycle of good and evil, suffering and death.

Christof lost his bet with Chalmers that we'd have a neural correlate of consciousness within 25 yrs. It's been 25 yrs, and still there's no neural correlate of consciousness. 😂

@blijebij

7 ай бұрын

Not so strange, as consciousness must be at least an integrated state/field of information. That is physics&math not biology and neurology.

@Corteum

7 ай бұрын

@@blijebij Information is just an object in consciousness. The subject/consciousness is that which perceives objects... Everything that could be known is only know by consciousness. But in the brain/body mechanism, conscious perception is artificially limited.

@blijebij

7 ай бұрын

@@Corteum If i would stated, information is behind consciousness you would be right, but I stated...an integrated state! Thats no longer an object its no longer about parts then there is added an extra dimension. for example, an integrated state is not local. while information pieces are all locally pinpointed. An integrated state, on a very primitive way is a synomym for unity , although that not totally correct. So an integrated state is something special and extra that seperated parts of information never can represantate!

@Corteum

7 ай бұрын

@@blijebij So the integrated state is like multiple bits forming a unique whole? and that unique whole is consciousness? then what is consciousness? or... how do you define it?

@blijebij

7 ай бұрын

@@Corteum Remember, what is, is a very absolute question, the moment we leave our emperical human scale all can not be pinpointed perfectly by us, nor can we measure it always, or precise. I do not know all the answers, I only have a conceptual perspective. It would define consciousness as a virtual quality, to state it very abstract. One of the highest ordered forms of all phenomena's out there.

The ultimate truth is hidden in bagavada gita

Consciousness is an illusion because its whole existence is based on limited objects and word of mouth like you preach all the time without actions or doings. Spiritual consciousness cant be seen and it holds several application to correcting and proportionately revealing a mystery and marvel most will never attempt till they first agree. Consciousness allows you to mix patience and impatience, which is the very description of intermittent. Spiritual consciousness and its application can only be done with patience and it is flawless, and it can take a man to heights many will never have imagined. You will basically ask a wise, patient man to guide you if you are humble enough and are worthy. #CaptainAmerica is Worthy, so are the sons of Zeus and Thor.

DID THE BRAIN MAKE IT' SELF??????????????HOW??? DID THIS EVOLUTION MANGE IT.

Instead of consciousness, we can invent a word called spermciousness. And the we seek for a What Is It and Why and who created it by way of God of the Gaps.😅

Consciousness is a computer program, a function in human brain, by natural selection. Just it.

@user-kq6pi7uo4d

7 ай бұрын

Программу пишет программист и нет,естественным отбором сознание не могло возникнуть. ЕО отвечает лишь за размножение,но не за поиск истины

@user-kq6pi7uo4d

7 ай бұрын

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@vladdumitrica849

7 ай бұрын

a program that is written through the connections between neurons

@science212

7 ай бұрын

Yes. Natural selection made it, through genes and neurons. @@vladdumitrica849

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@vladdumitrica849 There is no scientific evidence as of yet - a computer can be conscious or possess "feelings". Although the materialists have been trying like the dickens to make it so these last number of decades. 100s of millions of dollars have been spent on massive brain replicating computer projects. The results: they haven't even come close.

I think that consciousness doesn't exist, it's an illusion🇵🇹.

Consciousness is lazy and don't like pain. You are the cursed yourself with the causation that have become a reality in your being. Super consciousness or the Enoch consciousness has the ability to transform that pain to double strength. You said it yourself; a martial artist becomes very aware of himself and the environment and this is just the beginning of what is possible. with absolute patience in gradual process with space, air and sun by around you when you intentionally agree to meet your inner friend, Captain Patience.

@jeffforsythe9514

7 ай бұрын

Consciousness is the part of you that is reading this right now, your soul, you.......................Falun Dafa Wisdom is obtained only through suffering.

Harrison Ford's lost brother?

Where does consciousness go when you're deep under anesthesia? Obviously if consciousness can be altered or ended by material means it is a product of a material organ i.e the brain.

@simonhibbs887

7 ай бұрын

Furthermore if conscious experience can stop happening and then start again, it can’t be any kind of substance or a property of a substance. Our experience of it is more consistent with it being a process or activity. It’s something we sometimes do.

@mikep333333333

7 ай бұрын

Exactly !

@szymskiPL

7 ай бұрын

Try to imagine what happens then but from a point of view of an external observer. It seems almost as if all problems magically disappeared.

@szymskiPL

7 ай бұрын

@@simonhibbs887 It is a process. A brain frozen in time on its own isn't capable of experiencing anything. Only when different parts of the brain start to cooperate with each other we begin to experience. I'm a fan of the idea proposed by Max Tegmark, that the consciousness can be seen as a specific state of matter. Integrated information theory might be a good place to start understanding it better.

@jamenta2

7 ай бұрын

@@szymskiPL Does not explain how NDEs are possible while the brain is inactive. And Near-Death phenomena has now been scientifically studied for the past 30+ years, and scientific results have been published in journals such as the Lancet. Facts can be stubborn things.

1:00 bulls havre never seen the color red so the perceptual physics of bull abuse has more to do with abuse & less with the color red, all 3d problems are easily solved in 4d because everything in 4 is 'beautiful'. Does consciousness exist if there are no white men *even if white men themselves want to know if consciousness exists if there are no white men*?

Indian Wiseman state Brahman as supreme absolute pure consciousness - here consciousness is a predicate of God( and a good one) and is different from the corporeal organism(body) experience of consciousness through the 5 senses. The fact is, there is life; fact is we are in God. Concerning man: whatever man does, he first thinks about it and then acts. Concerning God and for sake of convenience: the very act is the thought of God all the while in himself. 'The Word' of God isn't a word in the literal sense, it is 'All that is' right here and now. We are part of this 'The Word' of God. Me personally, and i don't know about others, but i consider Light conscious. Light is alive, conscious, creative. Light seems to Know. But yeah, is fire a product of wood?

@tomjackson7755

7 ай бұрын

The fact is you are mental and have no idea what you are talking about is just made up nonsense.

You tell your child or grandchild that they can do anything as long as it positive, but you advise others in a split second super consciousness is not possible or real.

ja but some say Pain is the only thing that is real and all the rest is just an illusion...

Ask the experimentee to draw a picture of a face😡

Consciousness is a burrito stuffed with our expirences and wrapped in our body. Also with a Mexican coke, the kind in a glass bottle because it’s tasty.

Consciousness will lead you to your Creator (Allah), if your heart is pure and you are sincerely longing for guidance and Allah. There are many videos are posted on YT, how former Jews and former Christians came to Islam, when people asked God for guidance in their consciousness and God delivered to them miracle in the broad daylight. You cannot hide your thought and your actions from Allah.

@TurinTuramber

7 ай бұрын

Allah appears to prey on the weak minded, the highly suggestible and the gullible. Allah could get everyone onto the same page, just split the moon again. I suspect you will have an excuse why he won't.

@user-kq6pi7uo4d

7 ай бұрын

​@@TurinTuramberя́ думаю на слабоумных охотится твой атеистический божок по имени случай

@rizwanrafeek3811

7 ай бұрын

@@TurinTuramber To believe in Allah, it is you who hold the key, it is free will. _"Allah could get everyone onto the same page, "_ I don't think, it is Allah is in need of you but your return is to HIM. You think like fellow Christians. As you know Christians believe that God framed, planned, endorsed, honored, accepted and participated in the killing Jesus(pbuh) for Christians 'salvation' to come real for Christians, in other words Christians expect God Himself to bend over backward for sinners. Whereas Allah isn't in need of you and it is you are in need of HIM.

@TurinTuramber

7 ай бұрын

@@rizwanrafeek3811 I'll pass on the Allah fairytale. If Allah needs me he knows where the moon is.

@rizwanrafeek3811

7 ай бұрын

@@TurinTuramber _"Allah appears to prey on the weak minded, the highly suggestible and the gullible. "_ Gullibility is incorporated with free-will.

Guys you are absolutetly wrong when you believes real things its diferent kind. Guys inst figure out conscience proceendings. Neurosience never show up conscience so far. From you comments about conscience It is more pseud neurosience. Please explains though neurosience proceendings how conscience system make up itself.

Scientists over complicate everything.

Close the borders. Build the wall.

Quantum information, Quantum entanglement. Quantum Mind ind emerge. Quantum Body emerge. Mind and Body entanglement, Consciousness emerge. Quantum information is fundamental underlying...

What a primitive approach to reduce consciousness to the sensation of colors and sounds. Consciousness can sense values ​​and understand meanings that have no form, color, or sound, but are absolute abstractions that have no direct analogues in the material world.

Consciousness doesn't belong in the mind

He's an android, he should know