By far the weirdest content of this video is seeing Ocean outdoors

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

I'm actually inside, i just changed the look of my office.

@Cernunnos_83

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanKeltoi 😂👏 Made my day (evening)!

@paulgallagher5889

3 жыл бұрын

He touched grass! We have lost him to the natural world...

@steveperks7054

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulgallagher5889 Nah, he's just exploring his druidic roots.

@Silver_Hound

2 жыл бұрын

Big office

There are so many spells that are used everyday. People have forgotten that making a "wish" then blowing out the birthday cake candle's is candle magic, wishing on a falling star--spell, and the list goes on. I LOVE when a "good Christian" woman tries to argue with me that Halloween is a pagan holiday but Christmas with all the elves, Santa, evergreens, candles, etc is not....

@aiden6667

3 жыл бұрын

Geez its almost like the christians took older Roman and Germanic holidays,and in the case of the eastern orthodox church,slavic holidays,mixed them with their own theology and made christmas

@generatoralignmentdevalue

2 жыл бұрын

The type of Christian that thinks Halloween is bad for being pagan tends to think the same thing about elves and Santa. Worse, even, because Santa & co are trying to distract from Jesus and derail the modern Christian's biggest holiday, while Halloween is just...there. I remember "Santa Day" being used to dismiss people that celebrated all the non-Christian aspects of the holiday.

@loslobos786

2 жыл бұрын

All the Holidays are a mixture of yes old Pagan beliefs and Christian beliefs as well as cultures and tribal customs of our people's when they converted to Christianity. For instance Easter eggs come from old Anglo Saxon culture because eggs were a symbol of the God Estra a Anglo Saxon fertility goddess these symbols do not exist in non Anglo Cultures for instance in Hispanic cultures Easter is called Pasquale or Passover in English and it's more like our Thanksgiving and there are no colorful eggs. Halloween actually gets most of its traditions from the time when the Puritans ruled England and banned all holidays as pagan. Common people would dress up in disguises and go to rich peoples houses and demand a trick or a treat, basically telling the Lord to open his wine cellar or he'd get a brick through his window hence trick or treat and best of all no one could be arrested by the Puritans as everyone was wearing a disguise which became costumes. Alot of the pagan influences in Christmas have to do with the worship of Freya who the Germans loved so much due to her rowdy wild parties every year that many German communitys only finally converted because the Church agreed to turn a blind eye to the celebrations which they viewed as pagan but hey it got people in the church on Sunday so why not ignore this one holiday tradition.

@Indo_European_Nordic

Жыл бұрын

Tbh and in all fairness.. when I was heavy rooted in the Christian faith I found my self...invested in thinking spirits and demons are real and a priest is the only one that could get them out of the human body or house...but yet if I reflect on the time when I was doing wiccan it too had spells and candles...j.s...imo they align with each other in more then one way...

@edwardsimango2170

Жыл бұрын

thats why we Jehovahs witnessses dont celebrate birthdays

My grandmother, a die hard Catholic, absolutely cast money spells.

@vivianp5962

2 жыл бұрын

She wasnt a true Catholic then. She was a fake hiding behind the bible while practicing witchcraft. And if she truely was practicing while proclaiming to be of Catholic, shes going to Hell .

@yagami1134

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivianp5962 dude wtf?

@feroluceapblackrose9514

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivianp5962 Or not, given Catholicism is filled with ritual, symbolism, and prayers to intermediaries between God and humanity. They didn't specify how their grandmother cast spells, for all you know they were prayers to saints with a few passages of appropriate scripture peppered in, it would still look like witchcraft to an outside observer. But Hell as a place of eternal torment is BS and heresy is just a word judgemental folks like to throw at people who don't follow a faith exactly like they do, so it's kind of a moot point and your comment just comes off as kinda rude, sooo... Bless and have a nice day.

@thecelticcrone7927

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivianp5962 Except….that pretty much Every Tradition Catholics Have, were Appropriated From Pagans. The Eucharist, the Incense, the Lighting of Candles, the Statues & “Prayers” to the Saints. In fact, the RCC Even Directly Took a Celtic Goddess & Made Her a Saint!! Saint Brigid. It was even a Catholic Pope who Picked December 25th as “Christmas”…which btw, comes only 4 Days After the Norse/Celtic YULE. 💁🏼‍♀️ So….out of All the Christian Denominations, Catholics are Pagan Lite 😂😂😂.

@kevincrady2831

2 жыл бұрын

@@vivianp5962 Nah, the religion with the priests who dress like wizards, pointy caps and all, who cast transfiguration spells and perform exorcisms, isn't OK with magic at all, no sir.

My father's family are Catholics and the house is full of candles used for, you won't believe this, candle magic.

@AWindy94

3 жыл бұрын

👁️👄👁️

@user-rl6fs6rd7m

3 жыл бұрын

I mean with the whole saint oils and asking for help on behalf of God stuff it isn't that far fetched. A lot of the older churches have very similar magical practices to pagans, they simply give different reasons and rationalizations of why they work and how.

@urielantoniobarcelosavenda780

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@johnevergreen8019

2 жыл бұрын

@Меѳодїи that’s still using them for incantation

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

I used them with great success. My favourite is the Justo Juez (Jesus). I have had wondrous results. Yet I am an Orthodox Christian. My prayers are to Jesus, His Holy Mother, and the Saints.

Is Christian Witchcraft the Dark Souls of mysticism? Tune in to find out on this edition of "Ocean Makes Christians Uncomfortable with Their Own History"!

@BlackFlagHeathen

3 жыл бұрын

Oh man those are my favorite Ocean videos! Lol

@Ashphodelus

2 жыл бұрын

Lol as someone who came from a place where if Christians didn't like you you were shunned I absolutely approve these messages!!! Why? BEC IT MAKES THEM UNCOMFORTABLE. WHAT NOW, LINDA!? I told you I wasn't a devil worshiper!!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

@xbemos

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ashphodelus arg yes. I live in a highly Christian town, which isn’t bad overall, but the hypocritical natures makes my brain hurt. Level up, move on. But Christians don’t level a ton, they typically just sit and wait for rapture. Also grew up Catholic. Can definitely relate to your last sentence!

@Ashphodelus

2 жыл бұрын

@@xbemos you are not alone, friend. They make my brain hurt too.... 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Xipe-totex

Жыл бұрын

If that was a real thing (it is) I'd watch all of it a lot

So basically what you’re telling me is if the dudes who carried out the Salem witch trials could see this they would’ve had an aneurism.

@dragonmaster613

3 жыл бұрын

Both them and their intended targets.

@caseygrow5951

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a folk Catholic ritual so it would have received the same reaction. Many Puritans believed that Catholics practiced idolatry and attempted ritual magic during their Mass’ because of the Catholic belief in transubstantiation. May this comment find you well.

@JamesW7723

Жыл бұрын

There was a study done I’m not sure win but it found that people living in the area during the Salem witch trials and people who had died because of the trials their autopsies came back with trace amounts of psychoactive material. And during the Salem witch trials there was a fungal problem with the wheat production meaning the bread was tainted so hallucination was a big deal. But yes I find it hypocritical that the people from the Salem witch trials when kill supposed witches or witchcraft and then turn around and celebrate Halloween Easter and many other events and traditions

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

I think the salem witch trials haf more to do with the whole town being high on mushrooms. Also, most of the time as far as i know witches aren't viewed favorably in any religion. The difference seems to me that a christian believed God would protect them from magic without any technical know how.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

Not really, they'd just be like ok well those "Christians" were wrong lol.

They literally try to commune with spirits _daily_ , they hold rituals, etc.

@dragonmaster613

3 жыл бұрын

IKR?

@BlackFlagHeathen

3 жыл бұрын

While perusing Twitter the other day, I came across a Catholic talking shit about pagan gods, how they’re demons and we need to stop worshiping them, etc. So just out of curiosity, I snooped on her profile. Full-on altar to the Virgin Mary, complete with a large idol, candles, rosary, incense, herbs, flowers, etc. I lost it lol. Catholics are pagan af.

@oduinn7948

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackFlagHeathen Isn't one of their codes "thou shalt not worship false idols" and "thou shalt take no other god"? -Which ironically blatantly has their god stating that there ARE other gods, but you know big G omnipotent omnipresent and all that-

@williamchristensen7354

3 жыл бұрын

​@@oduinn7948 * pops out of hole in the ground * Older traditions of Yahwism in the Bible are very much "our god versus their gods" and stuff. The "no god but God" stuff didn't get cemented until the religious revival movement during the Babylonian exile, which was way later. Most Christians are ignorant of their own history, even if that history is right there in their holy book. * dives back into the hole and pulls it in after him *

@JoseCastro-fn9xs

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, witchcraft in Christianity is seen as seeking power from anything other than that that comes from God. Any other gods or spirits are considered Evil in Christianity and therefore must be wiped out. Deus vult style.

I'd watch the heck out of a full-length video devoted to this topic

@xbemos

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. I mean. I agree!

@ZeroGravityFuneral

2 жыл бұрын

its literally everywhere if you look it up....its called esoteric Christianity. Solomonic Magic is one of the most evolved systems of spirit conjuration we have today.

There is a long history of using charms, incantations, protection symbols, and all manner of "magic" among rank and file Christians through history. When written about, there is a differentiation among those using such between "diabolic" magic and "natural" magic. It's a fascinating subject.

@flutenanyidk1806

Жыл бұрын

I personally would like to learn more about the craft to draw myself closer to nature and my pagan ancestors. In my opinion, it's a way to honor them and their traditions.

@maybelater6282

Жыл бұрын

Where can i learn more about this?

@stevengentry9396

Жыл бұрын

@@maybelater6282 I started many years ago with Bryan F. LeBeau's history of the Salem witch trials. In it, he briefly discusses practices considered "natural" such as astrology, charms, etc. that were differentiated from a compact with the devil. His bibliography in that book is a good place to start. Good histories on Christian mysticism and histories of early Christian blendings with pagan practices, and the Jewish and Christian extra-biblical works that became "magic" works or Grimoires are good launching places as well, since well-edited editions give bibliographies for further study.

So when the bread comes out of the oven....would it be a hot cross bun?

@thewal1ofsleep

3 жыл бұрын

heyo

@xbemos

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@HollysHealingHerbs

Жыл бұрын

Ok I'm Christian and that was funny 🤣 I know u all want to know my opinion on this as a Bible believing Christian. These people that wrote this book were deceived. If they read the Bible at all they would know to stay far far away from this. God makes it clear that divination and witchcraft are not for us. We depend on HIM for EVERYTHING... bc He is in everything and everywhere. We are called to worship the Creator, not His creation. God bless u everyone 😊

There's a book about this I've heard of, Religion and the Decline of Magic. Basically, a lot of regions accepted Christian missionaries, but not so much Christian culture, and so retained, for a long time, their pagan mentalities of magic, but using Christian iconography instead

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

I come from a Christian background, but almost 30 years ago, I was ordained a priest of the Reformed Old Catholic faith and I have experienced the Mystery and Magic of the Divine Liturgy. I assure you it is quite real and there is nothing like it.

@carollinemats

Жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929can you tell us more about it?

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

@@carollinemats Well. I try to do each Liturgy with intention and concentration. As I was elevating the Chalice and Paten after the Consecration, I felt a tingling which progressed through my fingers, up my arms, into my body, where it entered my heart, ending in an incredible burst of pure joy, yet awe. It was then I realised that for us, Liturgy is the ultimate act of theurgy, a form of high magick. This is the best that I can describe this. It made me realise what an incredible gift it is to be able to literally bring Heaven to earth by consecrating bread and wine, transmuting it into the Body and Blood of Christ.

@carollinemats

Жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 oh that’s interesting, I’m really curious about that. Do you a social media where you share these things more accurately?

@carollinemats

Жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 what do you do that differs from a normal ritual to a magic one?

I find it weird that it’s a thing since there’s a section in Leviticus that talks about witchcraft being forbidden

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

That was originally in the Greek or Aramaic (I forget which they translated it out of) a reference to the people who fouled or poisoned wells, since they caused so much more wide-spread suffering than even a regular old murderer. (Livestock, etc.) "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live." One of the best things that ever happened for my Paganism was borrowing a scholarly translation of a bible that had the Greek, Aramaic, and English side by side in columns. Took me all of Easter break (there's an irony for you) for me to read it and realize, yeah nah, xtianity American Style is bullshit.

@SleepyQuiet

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccahahn6172 do you happen to remember where you got your copy from? Hope you have a good day!

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

@@SleepyQuiet I am about 98% sure that it's either The Interlinear Hebrew-Greek-English Bible, One-Volume Edition By: Jay P. Green or ESV-Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible, bonded leather, black Edited By: Dr. Spiros Zodhiates, Dr. Warren Patrick Baker D.R.E. I only recall an image of a few pages from the inside of the book against the backdrop of the desk I was sitting at and I can't tell enough detail from those interior views which font best fits the memory.

@SleepyQuiet

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccahahn6172 Thank you so much! That's very helpful!

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

Who wouldnlda thunk, Americans getting Christianity wrong when we show Jesus as white instead of as a jew.

Certain non-cannonical gospels portray christ as doing miracles with a wand/staff and i think there might be a historical depiction of that as well.

@j.kaimori3848

2 жыл бұрын

Canonical Moses stories have him use a staff.

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

​@@j.kaimori3848that was very clearly not under his power though, maybe i just don't understand witchcraft but it seems like your will plays into it. I did manage to haunt my girlfriend once though.

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

@@j.kaimori3848 Most definitely, it is a big part of his story.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

That's supposed to be the staff of a Hebrew prophet being represented, the problem is most metropolitan Romans and Greeks had never seen a semitic Bedouin shepherd out in the desert and carrying a staff before so they didn't know how to draw it correctly.

Let's not forget the devils horns from Metalheads. Dio started that and he got that from his Italian grandma. It's originally a sign to protect yourself from evil.

@thekraemer1757

Жыл бұрын

Mano cornuta protection sign.

@farealwitit7947

Жыл бұрын

any so called sign thats supposed to protect you from evil invites evil

@brujo_millonario

2 ай бұрын

@@farealwitit7947 bullshit; the horns gesture is the Karana mudra and it wards off evil.

“Be a Christian, do witchcraft,” is my new motto

@Chickenface12345

Жыл бұрын

yeeeeeeeah. that's the way (for me as well, al least 😉)

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

How about be a Christian, do witchcraft, and then repent of it and stop doing it.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

Seriously you should really consider that.

I got a pureflix ad before this 😄 Also nice to see your cat let you out if your house Ocean. I was worried there for a moment.

The fact that christian witchcraft is a point of contention in the christian community makes sense bc most christians are tought that witchcraft is always bad but it doesn’t make sense for pagans to be squabbling about it tho.

@dragonmaster613

3 жыл бұрын

It's controversial even in Witchcraft itself. I know many a Non-Christian witch that fumes in rage if you even think of mentioning "White Witches".

@infinitivez

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonmaster613 Well, let's think about why they fume though. Because I do fume about "white witches" when it comes to the whole idea of "cast off all your negative emotions and only practice that which is a blessing". Not because they exist, but because they generally seem to think they can influence the lives of others without permission if they only focus on the "good". I'll admit, the term generally comes with a bunch of stereotypes, of which even I am guilty, and we need to do a better job at not assuming the worst.

@The_Ancient_Guardian

2 жыл бұрын

@@waerlogauk no one say that, read again but slow...

@waerlogauk

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Ancient_Guardian Good point, my mistake, comment withdrawn.

@johnevergreen8019

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonmaster613 what’s white have to do with it? Do they not know that Europe had some crazy crazy practices too? The Celts of Britain wore blue war paint called Wode to protect themselves against enemy magic

My mom does this, and from my research some of it is called folk Catholicism, or Catholic mysticism.

Well, that was intriguing. I'm impressed with how quickly you got the point across, too.

This was always a bit of a sticking point between my father (a Pentecostal minister) and myself (a polytheistic Catholic). I frequently pointed out how closely numerous Christian practices related to ancient witchcraft and he would explain the difference in a way that, to him, made sense and to me just sounded like "yeah, that's Jesus magic". For such a brilliant and logical man of science, he had such weird blind spots.

@SakiBlablabla

2 жыл бұрын

I am sorry, I am very intrigued by your faith ! How someone can be a polytheistic Catholic !? Do you believe that the Trinity are 3 separate divine entities instead of one ( but 3 but 1 ) ? Do you believe the canonized saints are some kind of minor deities ?! Do you believe Satan is also deity !? Do you go to mass , but also workship Mary as the Devine Feminine ? Hope you don’t get offended by my questions , it’s just such a fascinating yet paradoxical term , polytheistic Catholic , got me asking all kind of questions !

@craigbryant9925

2 жыл бұрын

@Not-Not Nooo I actually appreciate the way you worded your question. I usually get ostracised by both Christians and Heathens when I say that but really it just means that I try not to be a dick about religion. For reasons that are my own I converted to Catholicism in my early 20s. However I find it arrogant to believe that the prime deity of my own belief is the only "true God". The way I see it is that if I believe that my god exists then surely those of other faith are just as likely to. I do see Satan as a deity as I do the deities of the ancient beliefs. I have a great love for Buddhist and various "Heathen" beliefs. I'm as likely to wear a Crucifix as I am to wear my Mjolnir or Ankh. I'm as likely to attend mass as I am to attend a blòt. I view all (most but I'm not going to get into cults now) faiths as equal and I see merit in practices of faiths other than my own.

@craigbryant9925

2 жыл бұрын

@@SakiBlablabla "Mary as the Devine Feminine" is possibly the best thing I'll read today. I love that.

@mikefranklin1253

Жыл бұрын

And you are wrong.

@daniellombardo27

Жыл бұрын

Magic is the defying of the laws that govern our world. God's power isn't magic because he created the laws of our world and is able to operate both within and outside his laws, for God himself is the law.

The protection ritual is a current thing in Catholicism too. I grew up as Catholic and moved houses a lot. At every new house, my family would invite a Catholic priest to bless the house with eight blessed medals. The medals would bear the likeness of St. Benedict on one side, and the Benedictine cross on the other. We'd bury or hide the medals in two concentric squares, one around the house and one at the edges of the property. The main purpose of this being to ward off demons. We had a second ritual that would take place at the start of the new year, where we'd write in chalk above every entrance to the house "20+C+M+B+21" (numbers changing by year).

@caseygrow5951

2 жыл бұрын

Epiphany correct? The three names tradition attributes to the 3 Wise Men? The second ritual you talk about.

@ibrahimalharbi3358

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your information. As a Muslim, I empathize with those who are unaware of Catholicism. I believe that God is merciful and would not condemn those who are unaware of Him. However, it is truly regrettable to go through life without truly knowing and connecting with your Creator, and to have a direct relationship with Him, without any intermediaries.

It's very weird seeing folk be mad about Christian witches. Like, there have been Christian witches longer than Wicca has existed.

@dragonmaster613

3 жыл бұрын

Woah, hold your stallion. Witchcraft (wicca is just its current form) is _hella_ older than even Judaism, let alone Christianity.

@utardaheidinn9048

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonmaster613 Wicca is its own religion. Oddly enough, they are also the folk I see telling christowitchs that they can't practice their craft. (This isn't even going into the cultural appropriation that infects wicca.)

Please do a full video on this subject. You could collab with the channel Esoterica or a "White Witch" for that. (Not to be confused with the White Witch of Rose Hall)

After I became pagan, I realized in retrospect that there was a very good chance my grandmother and two of my great aunts (all devout Catholics) may have like also done what would be considered witchcraft.

Ocean, that is an incredible green screen

I didn't know of this, now i do

Catherine de Medici and her children practiced magic. They celebrated festivals with Pagan characters to attract favorable planetary influences on the French monarchy. They practiced Pagan spirituality but when it came to the festival for the future dauphin they used biblical characters, practicing Christian witchcraft. They ended up being the last of the Valois, the royal house went extinct, but the French monarchy would become the most powerful under Louis XIV of Bourbon some decades later.

9/10, needs more puns

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

shorts are hard to put puns into without taking up the whole damn video, i'll work on it tho

@kettleoffish6673

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanKeltoi A whole video of puns? You’re threatening me with a good time

@timmorris8932

3 жыл бұрын

Something like how Christian witches have their own cross to bear.

@williamchristensen7354

3 жыл бұрын

@@timmorris8932 nailed it!

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't we all been Pun-ished enough? ;)

I always just kinda didn't get it because of the law in the Old Testament in the Book of Judges saying "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". I believe in following your own path but it confuses me because it tells me "Okay so you're still going to believe and follow this god ... even though he wants you dead for being a witch?" Then again it is probably a similar thing with me following Father Fenrir even though he is written to literally consume the world.

@HollyOak

3 жыл бұрын

Originally it said don't suffer a poisoner to live - and meant people who poison wells. It was changed to witch for political reasons.

@emiliobustamante2401

3 жыл бұрын

To quote the Simpsons, "The bible says a lot of things, shove her!" The bible is an explicitaly homophobic and misogynistic text but women and lgbt people still practice christianity because they wisely chose to disregard those aspects in order to be able to still have the christian faith in their heart

@Amy_the_Lizard

3 жыл бұрын

@@HollyOak That makes a lot of sense, and is much more reasonable

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

​@@emiliobustamante2401i have a theory that the "homophobia" was an ettempt to avoid aids entirely. It specifically mentions men half of the time.

It also needs to be commented that the verse in exodus telling the israelites to "suffer not a witch to live" is a mistranslation from the King James Era of translation. Witchcraft and spellwork were part of the culture of the time. It specifically referred to those who practiced the more evil aspects of the craft, not the ones who did good. But, of course, witch trials were a thing during the time period of those translations.

@oduinn7948

3 жыл бұрын

I recall King James having a real hard-on for witch hunting, though.

@LiminalLeshy

3 жыл бұрын

@@oduinn7948 Pretty much, which led to the deliberate mistranslation.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

Rabbi Sha'ul (Paul) explains what the Torah is talking about, and how this relates to Gentiles being grafted-in to the Messianic community in 1 Corinthians 10.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

No no no. Kesheph is actually more like an umbrella term that refers to any of the spiritual practices that had anything to do with gentile practices and the invoking of gentile gods, or even so much as anything not sanctioned under Mosiac law and not practiced by the Levite Priesthood. For an Israelite anything that gentiles partook of that the Levites did not partake of was by definition "evil." Because from the Israelite perspective the pagan gods are the watchers from before the flood, who are directly rebelling against and corrupting the things of the Most High, and the familiar spirits of the pagans are the disembodied souls of the watcher's hybrid offspring. So anything like spells, potions, enchantments, conjurings, circles and things of that nature have ties to the watchers and are therefore an offense to the Creator. One of the ten commandments is Thou shalt not use the name of Adonoi in vain, or more aptly, to misuse or misappropriate. This includes adding the God of Israel to a pantheon, or using the tetragrammaton in spells or incantations after what the gentiles use in their practices, which equates to blaspheming the divine name, which is a sever offense in Judaism.

I really don't think Christians know what witchcraft is other than a word for "thing I don't like" because most historical witchcraft seems very benign. Hell, couldn't you consider exorcism a type of witchcraft?

@Gamerboi89898

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you could. It involves an incantation meant to draw out the evil spirit from within said person.

@Seektheday

3 жыл бұрын

You really need to stop assuming that Christian means American Protestant. The BULK of European magic and witchcraft uses Christian symbolism and is based in that world view. They Know what witchcraft is and isn’t. Frankly the contemporary pagan community has a harder time with defining witchcraft and theology than Christians do.

@Gamerboi89898

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seektheday that depends. Some pagans do indeed have a hard time defining what is magic, but not all of them even USE magic. Let alone need to define it. It all really boils down to the type of pagan as the word is actually a broad term used to describe most polytheistic religions.

@patrickohooliganpl

3 жыл бұрын

@@Seektheday All the Pentecostal movement in the American Protestant Christianity is poorly camouflaged witchcraft.

@Seektheday

3 жыл бұрын

@@patrickohooliganpl yes....and?

I'd love to see more in depth stuff about this.

very interesting video ocean. thank you for this. i believe that for example magical and pagan practices are somewhat prevalent within roman catholicism, as aa number of commentators below have already noted, making the catholic church something different than what it is normally portrayed as

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

I have found that the more liturgical a church is, the more magic enters into it and the more pagan it is. I do not say this with negative view. I have been at Orthodox liturgies where you could feel this world and paradise meet, so I know that magick is afoot.

It gets stranger with Muslims and magick,officially its forbidden,but in reality they have rituals that resemble spells,or at least use the same formula,and then there are the Djinn,and thats a rabbit hole of its own

@mormacil

3 жыл бұрын

Djinn are mostly weird because they're bolted onto the religion afterwards. They're added to allow the religion match well with the locals. Abrahamic religions are great at that.

@aiden6667

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormacil yes and no,they were Arabian mythological/legendary beings long before the religion existed,Islam just gave them an origin,creation story,and added in their good and evil stuff,but it was a part of Islam for more than half of Mohammed's life,or at least more than half of his prophet days

@mormacil

3 жыл бұрын

@@aiden6667 Yes but I treat Islam as the Christian sect that it was till it firmly established itself. It's not part of that Christian origin but bolted onto it to fit better with the locals.

@aiden6667

3 жыл бұрын

@@mormacil they don't really see Christ as a mesiah,just as another prophet,they have more in common with judaism,think of it as a merger of judaism,christianity,remnents of Arabian paganism and traditions,with some parts unique to it

@mormacil

3 жыл бұрын

@@aiden6667 Christianity started as a sect of Judaism, Islam started as a sect of Christianity. Before they become their own thing they're a sect. Early followers of Christ considered themselves Jewish.

You can't even tell me that Modern, non Witch christianity doesn't have magic. What's a blessed Crucifix but a specially designed amulet meant to ward off that which would harm you? What's baptism/anointing yourself with holy water but a blessing when the process of making holywater is so involved and complex for Christians? What's a prayer circle but an attempt to get God to hear you more clearly and let him know this is important? All of these are practices you could see performed in a church and then go on to a local Wicca coven or w/e else and see all the same shit with a different set of symbols performed as something explicitly magic (even if it also holds purpose as a ritual of praise)

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

I agree. These are technologies (for lack of a better term) used by Christians and Pagans alike under different forms because they work

IIRC ReligionForBreakfast did his thesis on early Christian magic.

Its funny becuase you curse 4 generations down when you practice magic according to Numbers in the bible.

There's also Santeria (Traditional Yoruba-Catholic syncretized beliefs)

@oduinn7948

3 жыл бұрын

But do they got a crystal ball? If they had a million dollars, would they spend it all?

@aiden6667

3 жыл бұрын

I'm no expert on Santeria but I don't think they see themselves as christians,they know that the Saints they call upon are in reality native African gods who had to put the mask of christian saint on to survive the slavery and forced conversions

Wasn't this a huge thing in Christian gnosticism?

@syppy7416

3 жыл бұрын

Probabaly

@ZeroGravityFuneral

2 жыл бұрын

Well yes Gnosticism...and esoteric Christianity as a whole, folk Catholicism, New world traditions like Voodoo... etc

Ægishjálmur, Vegvísir, and most of the other galdrastafir also basically count as Christian magic. People often seem to forget that.

@ZeroGravityFuneral

2 жыл бұрын

No, only neopagans seem to forget that. Esoteric Christians most certainly have not forgotten that

huh, ocean is outdoors, that's very strange

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

I need to go touch grass once per year.

@Mumintrollet8921

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanKeltoi haha, that often? you're a true outdoorsman xD

As a Heathen Christian ..I appreciate this message ✌🏻

@christopherj9744

Жыл бұрын

😂 nice, that's as much of an oxymoron as Christian Witchcraft.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

What the heck is a "heathen Christian"?

@natsinthebelfry

Ай бұрын

@@christopherj9744 I'm not a Christian myself, but a lot of ancient Norse people followed both the old ways and Christianity during the conversion period. There are plenty of graves in which people were buried with both crosses AND Thor's hammers.

There are Christians that will do things like use Tarot cards and energy work both forms of magick, divination and healing respectively. So I am not surprised by Christian's using magick. Despite their doctrine clearly stateing to not practice or even be near any form of Magick. They have just become really good at denying or rebranding what they are doing.

Step 1: Become a Christian Witchcraft Practitioner Step 2: ???? Step 3: Profit

@paulgallagher5889

3 жыл бұрын

*Prophet

@patrickohooliganpl

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulgallagher5889 This is step 4.

Why is this video so brief I kind of would like to hear more

quite interesting if I may say so... quite interesting indeed.

I remember back when I was torn between Christianity and paganism, I wanted to blend the two traditions because pagan beliefs and witchcraft were a lot more appealing to me. Unfortunately I belonged to a literalist family and church body that insisted that ALL witchcraft was evil because of the Old Testament, meaning I had to choose between the One True Path of Christ or the sinful, Satanic falsehoods of the pagan faiths that would inevitably condemn my soul to eternity in Hell. So needless to say, I've followed the witch's way for two years and have never been happier. Blessed be. ☽O☾

@greywolfwalking6359

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! )0( blessed be!

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

I'm a Christian, and i believe the reason the bible warns against it is because we aren't ready for the spiritual world yet. But that's based on most old testament law being about keeping people from getting sick, killing each other, and making sure no one worked like a slave.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

With all do respect that's extremely unwise. You should've done more research before making such a drastic decision, you have no idea what these entities really are, what their real goals are. They've pulled the wool over your eyes just like they did mine. I barely escaped with my life. These things will kill you!

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

So basically you are siding with the watchers because it's aesthetically appealing to you. That's kinda funny because it's the exact same thing that drew me. The feels, looks, experiences, practices and ideas were appealing to me. But it's all manipulation. Have you ever seen the movie Coraline? Remember the Other Mother? Remember how she would lure her victims?

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

Were the children happy? For a while. Until she sew the buttons on their eyes, forever blinding them, and trapping their souls in her insidious spiders web. This world is the matrix, come out!

Thanks for posting these here!!!

Damn it!! If I had known this was an option.... Out of curiosity, does it say anything about Fireball? Chain Lightning?? Quickened Cure Moderate Wounds???

@OceanKeltoi

3 жыл бұрын

Please consult the Diablo 2 user manual for more information

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

I've never heard of spells like that in folk lore. Healing is usually specific feats like curing blindness, a fire ball is a simple circus trick, and i think there should probably be a spell to wish lightning on someone.

One time in high school, another student challenged me that Christian prayers were magic. And I was all, "Nuh-uh," and he goes "Aren't you asking a higher power to alter the world in some way?" and I was like "... Yeah. Huh. OK. Fair point." Also, the Bible is chock full of people performing magic, Catholicism especially has tons of talismans and rituals, and charms are actually all over history. But it seems Christians call these effects miracles or holy and claim that doesn't count. Not to mention the centuries of people arguing over what was magic and what was science, or the centuries of not believing science itself WAS magic. sigh

Honestly since discovering your channel, I have been enlightened by your knowledge on the old way🧡

I need to show this to some of my pagan friends who have issues with Christian witchcraft... Existing. Lol

@OceanKeltoi

2 жыл бұрын

That's what i made it for.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

They are right to have issues with it. You are copying their shit and saying it applies to Christianity when it doesn't.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

If you want to be true to Christianity, come to Judaism not paganism. Real Christianity is kosher.

@turnage_michael

Жыл бұрын

Witchcraft on the other hand is not kosher.

@ibrahimalharbi3358

Жыл бұрын

@@turnage_michael I could say the same to you! You want the true look up for Islam, Let people have there own choose. As long as they like it, why you are mad!

Do more videos outside, take us on a trail near you or a body of water.

Margaret Murray, didn't know what she was talking about. She thought the Pagans were living in forests like Robin Hood. All the famous witches such as Mother Shipton of England and Biddy Early of Ireland were Christians who went to church but still practiced magic. As for the cross, it is a Pagan symbol going back to Ancient Crete and even beyond that, symbolizing the sun.

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

And used by the romans to kill their criminals, some of which were just inconvenient people. But we definitely stole Christmas. If my wife didn't love it I'd ask you to take it away. Christians should celebrate Jewish holidays, but differently.

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

You are very right. I have felt magic myself in church and it has been the most wondrous thing.

Question, wouldn't this be more akin to the say, when the Hebrews spread blood on their doorways to protect them from the plagues? Christians wouldn't call that witchcraft or a protection spell either. But it seems to fit.

@HollyOak

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn't to protect from plagues and it didn't happen more than once (if you go by the story). The blood was spread on the door posts to protect the first born inside that building, from the angel of death who was going to be passing over that night. It only happened one time and is remembered every year as passover.

Here in the Philippines we use catholic witchcraft latin words we use for spells for protection....been practicing it💜💜💜💜

protecting a barn by attracting mice. brilliant!

Greetings from Scandinavia

I had no idea that witchcraft was ever practiced in Christianity! Thanks for the fun fact!

@infowarsxfile

3 жыл бұрын

it is not these people are twisting the word of God - witchcraft is FORBIDDEN in Christianity Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Leviticus 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ 2 Kings 21:6 And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Exodus 22:18 “You shall not permit a sorceress to live. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Isaiah 8:19 And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Acts 19:19 And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver. _______________________________________________________________________________________________________

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

@@infowarsxfile I pray kindness and enlightenment join your path.

My grandmother, a devout Catholic, would pray to Saint Anthony to find lost objects, and it always worked. Sounds pretty Pagan to me to have multiple beings considered higher than humans associated with different specialities!

can someone source the book I'm interested in reading it

@williamchristensen7354

3 жыл бұрын

It's Bald's Leechbook, Leechbook III, and Lacnunga, with the last one having the most discernable folk influence. Here's a translation of Leechbook III. leechbookiii.github.io/preface.html

@yikesforever6432

3 жыл бұрын

@@williamchristensen7354 thank you very much

The beard is strong in this setting

I'm convinced pentacostals, while not calling it such, use magic today. Maybe a less formalized version.

Not used to seeing you outdoors, refreshing brother

So, my app had a script failure or something when I first clicked this, like there was a still image of your (wonderful) face and no audio, but the time kept ticking by and I was like "haha, because it doesn't work, oh damn shots fired!" but then that seemed out of character in regards to meanness on your part (so I reloaded the video.)

Original Christianity was very magical. Even today you have Grimoires like the Grimoire Verum and Drawing spirits into Crystals

@danielcox7629

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know that was a christian practice.

Huh I think I heard of this type of stuff in orthodox Christianity- it may also be in some Catholic communities as well. Interesting!

The beard is even more majestic in sunlight

Thanks; love this type of content

Early Coptic Christians practiced magic spells too

Lunasa (Lammas) just round the bend Ye ye

Seems like it's scripturally unsound though. It's interesting though

Of course. Even with Christianity’s aggressive proselytizing, it was incredibly difficult to get people to stop practicing the old wisdom. Even now in parts of Europe, ostensibly Christian dominant nations still practice traditions that are distinctly pagan, both in origin and in practice.

@ZeroGravityFuneral

2 жыл бұрын

wow its almost like cultures influence each other

Thank you, great research ......

Hoodoo is a great example of this

Sprinkle bread in the 4 corners of the barn - and watch every insect and rodent invade.

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

They were already there. It's a barn. Now they're just blessing it wherever they run and poop.

Personally, Christian craft has never appealed to me post my departure from religion, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of the trappings. Having come free of Christianity, the last thing I want to really do is try to reclaim it via craft, like so many other Chaotes seem to be interested in doing. All power to them, but it seems like there's this overwhelming revival happening and it makes me rather uncomfortable. There's of course several examples of it in the Bible itself, which surprises me they don't just outright call it magick. But as much as I bemoan this transition, I much rather see a church center around excitement and the creation of new ritual, than one sitting in stagnation and denial of its roots.

Don’t forget about pendants that contained a family member’s hair. Very common in Italy and Catholics during the Renaissance

Folk magic and rural Appalachian beliefs are full of a mixture of magick spells centered around the Bible

The thing that I can argue against that is that traditionally, Christians would not call themselves witches or what they do witchcraft or spells, due to the negative connotations that those things have not only in the traditions, but in the books as well. I'm from a very Catholic family, and they wouldn't use the evil eye, hexing or casting a spell, but they say that you actually can cause that to happen to that person and to be careful to wish bad things upon people.

Very interesting book to read

Thank you! Blessed Be

i've noticed a lot of practices like this, considered old traditions, carried out by Christians, but clearly old pagan roots. The Horseshoe over the door, embedding dolls within the walls, carving the Celtic trinity knot or roman numeral over doors and windows.

I'm no Christian but I just bought a book on Scandinavian "trolldom". It contains spells and charms that invoke God, Jesus, Mary, various saints, and sometimes even the devil. It's an interesting read!

Thank you for your work, it's lovely. 🖤🖤🖤

If not all us witches gonna die cause fear is there friend

I bet Appalachian Folk Witch would have some interesting additions to the conversation here.

Is there a book that teaches old English? I ask so that there can be a follow up video to address this, thank you for your work, I love you as a fellow human!

I found a book on Kindle a while ago called Backwoods Witchcraft by Jake Richards. And he mentions this in there. Totaly blew my mind that this even exists.

@rebeccahahn6172

3 жыл бұрын

@appalachianfolkwitch just did a review of that book on her channel you might find interesting.

@eaglestarmartin6474

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccahahn6172 Oh thank you! I'll check that out.

I always like the discoveries of Christian and catholic monks who wrote books on magic and demonology “for academic aims only”

YO u r so real for this

Can people find and purchase the leach books? Please and much gratitude for touching on this subject!

So basically Santeria ?

Christian Witchcraft is real but it's an oxymoron; because it's not very Christian to practice any form of magic

@harrietharlow9929

Жыл бұрын

I would argie that actually it is not. I've celebrated Liturgy where I could feel a very real presence. What else is the Catholic Mass or Orthodox Liturgy but the act of transmuting the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ?

Great connection

I think a more accurate term would probably be mysticism. Like the word witchcraft is a very word with a long and complex cultural history so when is does and doesn’t apply is a conversation in its self. But I personally wouldn’t refer to a Shinto Priest purifying something witchcraft and I think it falls in the same category.

@FeministHeathen

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who practices traditional folk magic, I would be inclined to agree. This practice had its own name - leechcraft.

@oduinn7948

3 жыл бұрын

It's suitable to the uninclined as a very base umbrella term, however. Ironic, though, that the misnomer is intrinsic of ye'olde Christian mentality -- that which they do not (willingly or otherwise) understand they slap a label on it and condemn it while doing the very same thing under another name.

I may have guessed it having been a thing but it still hits like a train.

Angry mob: "A witch! Crucify him!"

Just because some Chrisians dabbled in or adopted witchcraft practices does not mean it's endorsed by Jesus or the apostles. A sin still a sin regardless of whether certain Christians attempt to justify it or not. They can wave their hand around all they want but if Christ himself looks down and says no then they have no excuse.

@carollinemats

Жыл бұрын

Well said

my grand parents did catholic magic all the time with coins and cards and money spells with diffrent saints and stuff like that they passed away sadly but yea that is really old things that i dont know if anyone practices anymore