After this video watch the follow-up Q&A video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIpo1qOSl7TVmbQ.html

@craigthaler

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Christian, I enjoy your playing immensely. Thank you for the tips, I have been playing the violin for over 40 years with a chinrest now I am going to try it another way because of the pain my shoulder and neck are in. I love to practice and work it all out . I am a improv guy , not so much gypsy jazz more Luc Ponty style. I want to mention for the past 20 years I do violin restoration and make my own high-end sounding instruments. What instrument are you playing? If you check out my FB page, Craig Thaler you will see what kind of work I do. Thank you again.

This just cured my bouncing down bow, especially during string crossings... Thank you Russian bow hold!

I'm a beginner just started and I was told that I had to have a shoulder rest and I had to hold the bow the Belgium way and I saw your video and tried without a shoulder rest and I felt free. so I have been playing without a shoulder rest but I have been having problems with my bow hold and I tried your way and I started playing straight right 👍 off the bat I just want to thank you so much I wish more teachers were like you thanks again

This is very helpful! I'm a violinist of 20 years that has just started teaching. I have a couple of adult students with 1 year of experience, that struggle with bending their pinky for the bow hold. After doing some research, I became aware of the Russian bow hold, which was maybe mentioned once or twice casually in my time taking violin lessons and studying music in college. I find your comparisons between Franco-Belgian and Russian to be very insightful. I will be trying out this bow hold for myself and sharing this knowledge with those students!

lower arm= "forearm". Great explanation, very helpful. "Bigger muscles and faster and easier to train".: A fundamental truth that many musicians and instrumental teachers don't understand. Thank you.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, forearm that's the right word! Thanks!

This is very useful and something that's been missing on KZread. I'm self-teaching so have to make my own choices. I was biased towards the "Russian" hold because most of my all time favorite players used this hold - I like the sound. And for me it simply felt more natural. Milstein in particular seems to have achieved the ultimate in economy and simplicity using this hold, especially compared to any Franco-Belgian player I know of. But the lack of information makes it a bit challenging to master. I've worked out most of what you are teaching, but it's comforting to see it confirmed. I agree that a major advantage is the simplicity - when you're self-teaching it seems to me that there's much less to go wrong. I also agree about the "inaudible" bow change - it's surely an unrealistic aspiration and it's hard to see how all that finger waggling changes the underlying physics of the change in direction. When Milstein was asked about the bow change he said something like: "I move it in one direction, then I move it in the other - the rest is a question of feel". He didn't seem to need all the elaborate finger movements you see being taught, and he managed to limp by well enough :-) As you say, there may be some virtuoso classical strokes that are more difficult, but those of us who play other genres don't really need them, so it's a non-issue for us. But all the classical greats who used this hold clearly worked something out, and there's plenty of video here on KZread to help people explore what they were up to.

I'm actually converted to Russian bow hold these days... Thank u for ur assurance. I always struggle with Belgium hold. 🙏🙏🙏

@missKC19

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there...may I ask what you found difficult, as I too can NOT get along with the Belgium hold...my fingers feel awkward and my little finger can't stay on it!

Finally a video about the Russian bow hold by someone who actually knows it, rather than a Franco-Belgian-trained violinist mentioning "I think the Russian way is something like this". (I don't think my teacher will approve of me using the Russian bow hold, though...)

@LittleLotteWanders

6 жыл бұрын

Han-Kwang Nienhuys Exactly. I'm considering switching because of the way my joints in my fingers are and no one teaches it!

@nocturnallsnake4228

4 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who knows it telling how it works, not someone who cant use it trying to prove it does not work.

@nocturnallsnake4228

4 жыл бұрын

@@LittleLotteWanders same as me. But the Americans hate anything labeled as Russian, that all.

I am so happy to see this conversation happening! I teach the "Bornoff Approach" and we use this bow hold. Our beginning players have a huge tone that people don't expect to hear. Gypsy jazz or Tchaikovsky - it's perfect. Thanks for the video!

Zibulkin, one of the greatest violinists of recent history used this bow hold! Highly recommend!

This feels much better. Brilliant video. Thanks so much!

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, great to hear it works for you!

I'm glad this technique works for you with your style of music. I'm equally glad that I don't need to adapt my bow hold to this technique as I've got enough ongoing drama just learning how to develop a vibrato to my technique. It's been less than a fortnight since making the very sincere promise to myself to practice your teaching on the subject every day and I have done this for twenty minutes (five minutes per finger). Already I can feel a slight easing in the resistance that my fingers are giving me. It will take time, I accept this but anything worthwhile is usually accompanied by some difficulty. So the bowhold stays the same and the vibrato improves...slowly but surely. Thanks for your videos, Christiaan. They are an inspiration to improvement.

Thank you so much for sharing!

Starts at 5:55 👋

I play with the Russian grip since the begining of my playing and it's amazing ... It's fast, deep and produces much richer sound

I am an adult returner to the violin, and my teacher growing up was firmly in the Russian bow hold camp (something I am realizing a couple of years after returning to playing!). My current teachers insists upon the Franco-Belgian hold and it feels... wrong, strange, foreign, unnatural - even after two years, and after playing/practicing for a time I will inevitably end up back in the Russian style! Perhaps I’ll wind up somewhere in between or learn to maneuver between the two holds depending on the needs of the (classical) music at hand.

@Morrighanangel84

3 жыл бұрын

Same problem here

nice explanation of the differences and great demonstration of the russian bow hold. Thanks

@ChristiaanvanHemert

7 жыл бұрын

critical thinker Thank you!

Thanks! even while doing the regular bow hold you can imitate it and get relaxed strong legato strokes using only the elbow for almost all the bow range! I tried doing this but with the thumb on the standard place. This seems perfect to understand all the range you can cover with the elbow, when to use the upper arm and how slight movements of the hand change completely the angle(and also how arm length may be crucial on this).

This video was so useful to me! I have double jointed pinky fingers so the Franco-Belgian bow hold became painful after only a few minutes of playing. The Russian bow hold works like a dream and has made everything easier. Thank you for your concise explanation.

Western: Oh! It's a Russian bow hold. Russian: Oh! It's a Hungarian bow hold. Fact: Russians never distinguish that kind of bow hold as Russian but Hungarian bow hold.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

And what do Hungarians say?

@fadymilad434

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiaanvanHemert lol

@temerav67

4 жыл бұрын

Christiaan van Hemert hungarian bow hold: Auer, teacher in St-Petersburg, Flesch and Joachim are hungarians.

Wow this video Is amazing! Thank you for this🙏🙏

Thank you for this detailed video. I'm currently researching various bow holds and will be considering your pointers. While I have some initial reactions I will refrain from expounding until I have experienced this bow hold for myself. Glad you recommend finding a bow hold that works for the style of music you are performing. I think this is a vital and important distinction! Will return later to update you on my progress with the Russian hold.

The intro music is awesome. I'm currently into Django and Grapelli, and that's why I am fiddling around. 😆 I've learned so much from you. Thank you so much

Great video

15:17 finally mentions spiccato. It was a long time to wait.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

My apologies. No script means a lot of rambling sometimes!

Because my pinky is double jointed, I can't get the "normal" bow hold to work. My pink locks and snaps painfully back and forth when attempting to keep it arched. I naturally developed this seemingly odd bow hold that I do, and was coming to KZread to find out if it was a thing. Turns out, it is! Russian bow hold.. Huh... Who knew! Thank you for showing it!

Thank you for these tips on the Russian bow hold! I wanted to say, as a violin teacher, the sweeping bow exercise is one I have seen but never done quite so vigorously that the goal would be to 'hear the sweep of the wind'. While I agree the exercise is supposed to make the pinkie do a bit of pushing down on the stick, keeping that in mind, only the smallest 'sweep' motion is necessary to exercise the pinkie. I like to focus on strengthening the back of the hand, not just the pinkie. I really appreciated your mention of 'balance' in re: the Franco-Belgian grip! Thank you so much! When you said you like the weight of the bow with the Russian bow grip all focused at the index finger, and found using the Franco-Belgian grip required pressing with the index, I disagree. In contrast, the Franco-Belgian grip should focus most of your strength at the tip of the thumb, pushing gently up with the bow on the string. Try it and see the stick lean in adding weight into the string anywhere in the bow! The pinkie "answers" the thumb, maintaining a consistent, balance of weight into the string, across the entire bow instead of focusing it at the index finger. Thank you also for making the point that the Franco-Belgian grip makes more sense when playing at the frog! I was listening intently, wondering how to perform spiccato with a Russian bow grip, at the frog. Can this even be done? I'm really glad you clarify that you don't bother with the use of the lower 1/4th of your bow at all using a Russian bow grip, or at all, generally. As well, you don't bother with small muscle / finger agility / bow change smoothness technical work, because your focus is primarily the gypsy-jazz genre. Big muscles are easier and faster to train, yes. Few will disagree! But exclusive use of big muscles expends more energy, too. This alone justifies training in the smaller muscles of the wrist and fingers, especially in beginning stages of learning, when students are less genre specific, and efficiency is the name of the game. Thanks for a great video!

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the contribution!

@sonking2705

6 жыл бұрын

What do you do if your pinky isn't long enough to touch the bow and counterbalance the thumb with Franco-Cantabrian? Presently, I like the speed I can get from Franco-Cantabrian, but the Russian Grip gives me more even bowing because I don't need my tiny pinky.

@paulamccrackin2187

6 жыл бұрын

I think the option of the Russian bowhold is something that should be taught as a staple in violin technique and pedagogy as well as the positive aspects to which it contributes to the CLASSICAL genre as well. It is very unfortunate that violin teachers either dont teach it, dont know how to teach it, and often "correct" or "shun" this age old and almost EXTINCT technique that almost ALL of the MASTERS of the 20th century and of course their teachers used. Its also sad that as soon as somebody who has made a name for themselves as a performer starts to give advice, that for the sake of "correctness" and "defending what I teach and know is true and correct" , why not try the russian bow hold on an entry level student who is so frustrated they are obviously not practicing and going to quit playing altogether anyway? Franco-B bow hold is reliable and very important to understand, and being that no two hands are the same, there are many different techniques and pedagogy approaches applied in violin teaching. I commend you Christiaan van Hemert for bringing this and other old world and "extinct" techniques, such as how to play without a shoulder rest, back to the attention of teachers and players alike. After much consideration, I have decided to revamp my pedagogy for not only advanced players but entry level students to use both bow grips and to equally understand the fundamentals of both from a humble and POSITIVE perspective. I simply dont think that when my students watch videos of Heifitz, Menuhin, Haendel, Milstein, etc. that they should ever feel intimidated to ask how and why someone like Heifitz or Menuhin played with those techniques, of whom obviously were MASTERS of the violin, and yet their teacher says that instruction on those techniques are not available in this studio. As a CLASSICAL student, I found that very frustrating and somewhat hypocritical. None of my teachers played as well as these MASTERS, yet I was told you MUST use a Franco-B and a shoulder rest. I think as artists, regardless of genre, should never get too opinionated and closed minded. Thats what makes an artist an artist. If violin teachers would simply set aside their ego, and ADD these possibilities to what they already teach, we may find that one of these techniques could be key to unlocking an unseen gift in a special student. Maybe unearth a modern era Heifitz???!!!! Thanks for all of your time and knowledgeable contributions!!!!

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

+Paula McCrackin Wow, thanks so much! I think you make excellent points throughout!

I'm definitely Going to try this bow hold and see how it works out for me.

@PabloCardonaMusic

6 жыл бұрын

Stephanie Gilmore Hey, did you try it? how did it go?

Wonderful video!!..i have been playing Classical and Jazz with the Franco-belgian grip....but recently i moved to the Russian or sometimes called "The leopold Auer grip" ....the switch was a life changer!!..for me it was fear of judgement that prevented me to change ...My favorites violinist, my Teacher Andres Cardenes, Heifetz, Milstein and Kavakos have the sweetestsounds!...Thanks for provoking trust in my Own Instincts!

@nickfish8345

3 жыл бұрын

Also, Joshua Bell.

VERY GOOD !!! THIS INTEGRATE THE BOW HOLD WITH VIOLIN IN PLAYING ACTION, IT HELPS THE SOUND BETTER.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I'm a self taught violinist, and switched to a bow hold that has similar mechanics to this, but with fingers at an almost right angle on the bow (playing rather from the fingertips). It's rather the opposite to the Franco-Belgian, as the thumb is curled inwards when the point of the bow has string contact, and straightened when using the frog end. The result is a 'non grip'. I was recalling how Pagininni is reported to have played, 'as if not even holding the bow'. The advantage of the Franco grip that may be mentioned is with very light bows, it is more suitable. With the weightier bow, I found the opposite. I've also developed bad hand strain from using the 'correct' conventional grip. Oddly, a Russian violinist I spoke with said that she doesn't use her pinky most of the time, despite using the Franco grip, that the intricate weight management is needless most of the time.

This is fantastic. I switched from a Franco Belgian grip to Russian once I started playing swing and bluegrass music. I find the ability to attack much stronger. My teacher from years ago was Russian and wanted me to switch. I didn't listen. Even though Heifetz was my favorite violinist at the time... I didn't think about how much his technique contributed to his powerful sound. Incidentally, I think the more powerful sound lots of 'folk' music calls for is begging for the Russian grip. One thing I've learned in my travels, research, and experience, is that the Russian hold tends to work well with less tension on the bow hair as compared with other bow holds. But again, your mileage may vary, and I definitely find myself changing hair tension depending on the situation! I love listening to the old masters who use the Russian grip and comparing them to contemporary virtuous. In my opinion, there's something a little less refined, more passionate, about the older Russian school guys. And I like it! To each their own. That said, I still go back to the Franco Belgian hold for different music... Especially when I need more of that modern, even, more delicate (as I perceive it) sound. Again, great video... So good to see a great player going into some real detail about this bow hold. Instant subscribe. Excited to hear your insights on left hand technique!

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

+Bryant Tow Thank you Bryant. Very interesting to read your perspective on bow holds!

@sandimiller5187

5 жыл бұрын

What are the positives of the Franco Belgium bow hold?

Looking forward to more violin rambling session sir... 🙏🙏🙏 Ps; wish I can join the workshop 😔

Well, thank God! I finally know what I've always been doing isn't an aberation. It has a name. I was taught the Franco-Belgian but always end up in Russian. I never have a problem with any passage, I just always feel like a heretic. Russian is so comfortable.

Thanks for the video. This discussion of the Russian bow hold was most interesting to me. I have been using that bow grip ever since I studied with fiddle champions Dick and Lisa Barrett in the 1980s, but I thought, until now, that this grip was something only used in the Texas Swing Fiddling school. It does really work well, especially when staccato passages requiring lots of power are being played. I also found that I got much better tone out of the fiddle using this grip. Christiaan, I don't know if you are familiar with the Texas Swing Fiddlers, but I imagine you would find the music in this genre interesting even though it is very different from the Gypsy Jazz approach to music. (In fact, the differences in harmonies and rhythm make switching from one style to the other a real challenge.) Here is a youtube video of Mark O'Conner with the legendary fiddler Johnny Gimble that show them using the same bow hold that you prefer. Be sure to check out some of the Texas contest videos as well. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iaJ1zdCDfdjUkdI.html

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing the link to that video, wonderful playing! Looks a lot like Russian to me indeed!

This is actually very good. I learned both schools, but it is his left hand thumb that it is so important. It sits high, like Perlman‘s and can slide freely back and forth because the neck of the vl rests on his thumb muscle. This is really the old Russian school which I also play. It makes everything easier. You are not choking the vl and the bow stoke is reduced to moves from the shoulder and elbow. Of some of you wish to know more of this in detail then I recommend the bks of Kato Havas

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the input, very interesting!

I briefly tried this, trying to bow in a straight line without the support of the instrument... Standard bow hold - bow is wobbling about all over the place. Your preferred how hold - bow is now very SOLID and moving in a straighter line. Interesting. I'll give it a try...

Thanks for the information on this bow hold. Can you please tell me is it possible to do colle bowing?

Learned with my first teacher half a century ago. Now I’m going back to it - it feels so good. I believed all the loose wrist, smaller muscles are faster nonsense. What did I do that for?

Thanks for instructive video on bow grip. The Franco Belgian is however is not just used because it’s makes quick progress, but it’s seems to have become the most common among the generation after Heifetz, Oistrakh, Milstein: Galamian used it and so his students, Perlman, Zukerman for instance - and they do not use a shoulder rest, so they combine your points of view. You could say in general Auer-school vs. Juilliard School ? 😉

Thanks for the info, if Heifetz and Milstein used it, it has to be good.

Yep, I've just given this a proper try. It does feel a lot more comfortable and I think it might suit some hands better than the FB. Some things are a bit more difficult like Irish playing which has lots of string crossings but that might be a case of getting used to it.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

Cool that you gave it a try!

I naturally hold my bow like this. I never knew this was a thing until today. 😆

@dakotahlavender

3 жыл бұрын

Also, I'm self teaching.

I am thinking about switching to the Russian bow hold because I damaged my neck resulting in an extreme lack of feeling in my pinky. It doesn't look like I have to rely on my pinky as much. Thank you for the video.

Thank you! I'm considering switching because the joints in my fingers, especially my pinky, don't allow me to stay in a correct franco-belgian while I'm playing.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Oh nice, I hope it will suit you!

Thanks for the video im a beginner and have stiffness in my fingers im goin to try this russian bow hold my teacher advocates using the franco belgian bow hold

@sandimiller5187

5 жыл бұрын

I just saw this a few days ago, and am trying it but it'll take time. I keep slipping back to FB , out of habit. I''m thinking I'll be corrected in orchestra for using Russian.😀

Hi Christian, thanks for discussing the Russian bow grip...I play mainly old pop standards on the violin, using the Franco Belgium grip. Do you think it would benefit me in anyway to switch to the Russian bow grip ? I've been trying the russian bow grip a little, it feels a little awkward, but I sense i can get more control of the bow using it...Again thanks for all your video's

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

It could certainly benefit you. Just try it out for a few days and see if you feel comfortable with it. It will probably improve your sound if nothing else!

@sherom

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Interesting I'm Not a player but probably come across this bow hold in the older movies.

Great video! I play some jazz but mainly Celtic, and have been using your bow hold for years. It works especially well for the cuts (stacatto bowed triplets, except it's really 2 short notes and a long) that we use in scottish tunes. But last year I broke my right femur. Most of my playing is back, but in strathepeys you often need to play 4 articulated 64th notes. I used to do this with as 4 notes on an upbow staccato, but am finding this to be very hard now with the Russian hold. It's easier with the FB hold, but I really don't want to switch over. Any advice on upbow statcatto's with the Russina hold?

@AlCramer271828

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry! I mean to say "humerus" rather than "femur". What I meant was the upper bone in the my bowing arm.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I'm of no help since I never put in the time to learn the up bow staccato though if it's only 4 notes I think they can be made with the forearm with a start/stop movement!

If you can answer, since you use your lower arm to bow more, does that mean it's easier on the wrist? Not to mention not really holding all the weight necessarily in your fingers. I have a bit of wrist problems and am beginning to learn violin so was wondering which bow hold would be better for it.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely easier on the wrist!

@cadeyrndragheim22

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiaanvanHemert Thanks for the answer! Guess I'll try to learn it more then (or some variation that's more comfortable for me)

My former teacher kept telling for years that I did not play legato and it was because I held the bow russian fashion (didnt mention the name) and also that it caused pain, or it was going to cause. But I have never had any pain so far.

I've had a little go at this but am now considering it more seriously. The only thing I'm wondering about is stuff like spiccato?

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

Spiccato is doable in two ways: either learn to control it with your forearm by practicing slowly or change your bow hold for the spiccato part (I would do the latter if it was a long spiccato part like in Tchaikovsky's violin concerto at various places).

@Blacksquareable

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiaanvanHemert Hey, thanks!

I''m a beginner who got his pinkie dislodged (it's been half a year now) and I find the franco-belgian hold rather straining, even painful after longer practice, which is a shame, since I really enjoy playing. I saw your video and just had to try it, the Russian hold feels so much more relieving, thank you :) Can anyone point me to more material and exercises to this?

My hand naturally goes with the russian bow hold

Here I am partially unlearning franco belgian to advance cuz too much tension.

I think you did a good job overall. :) it was great to see another bowhold described. A little constructive criticism- maybe be careful of repeating yourself (like 5 times in a row around 4:21 saying which bowhold is which and what you would be talking about) or just edit it out. You can also edit out the “ums” (or be aware you were doing them and consciously avoid.) it makes a longer video for viewers and feels like you keep losing your train of thought and sometimes makes it distracting and hard not to bounce to a different video. So yeah, editing! :) I think your content is good :)

but where is the thumb

@ChristiaanvanHemert

6 жыл бұрын

Bend underneath the bow!

@user-ky5tp7fz1h

6 жыл бұрын

Christiaan van Hemert thanks

Is this the start of the Second Russian Revolution?! :-DDD

I broke my pinky and now cannot play with FrancoB hold. Switched to Russian and actually sound better...

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

That's what one might call a blessing in disguise!

@jaytorr6701

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiaanvanHemert Indeed! You will love this. You know how I switched? Saw a gipsy performing on the street missing the pinky and ring fingers. Yet his bow control and sound was amazing! I think the dogmatic teaching of a bow hold is really wrong. There are factors of hand structure that should determine the best bow hold for someone.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

That is a cool story indeed! I like to think about it like this: there's just not one way to achieve things. Many different bow holds can lead to great results!

Show me Russian violinists who are holding bow like this? There were few great methodologists one of them was Auer, who worked at St. Peterborough Conservatory in Russia. Auer wasn't Russian. Then a huge soviet school. Yampolsky was the guy. He didn't hold bow like this. Whoever said this is Russian now holding are delusional. Heifitz holds bow like this, but he is Auer’s student and Auer was Hungarian. Russian school is mainly a Soviet school. It's a combination of Franco-Belgium and modern findings.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

As I wrote elsewhere: It's just a name. I teach at a University alongside a PHD in violin schools and methodology and even though she admits the name is questionable she also refers to it as "Russian bow hold". It's just the name that most people use so at this point in time I use that name too to ensure everybody knows what I'm talking about!

What confuses me most is that ... Maxim Vengerov is Siberian (close to Russian, he's definitely Russian school, that's for sure!) as is Maxim Rysanov, the great violist. Their holds look nothing like this.... They have a very .. hmm, more like a 90 degrees appearance than the almost 45 degrees appearance you have at 6:19. In terms of angle differences: that is *a lot!* they also use their index finger of the bow hand to "brush through the air" to "paint" their sound as they play. I can only think of Kavakos as the only living (prominent and world-renowned) violinist today who uses a Russian bow grip. Yet he's Greek, but adopted [later] Josef Gingold's technique instead of his first few teachers'. A smart move in my opinion. He obviously knew there was something special about Gingold :)

There is no such thing as a Russian bow hold. Almost all Russian violinists use the Franco Belgian style. The great Russian violinist and teacher Julia Bushkova talks about this subject in a video which is on youtube

@ChristiaanvanHemert

5 жыл бұрын

It's just a name. I teach at a University alongside a PHD in violin schools and methodology and even though she admits the name is questionable she also refers to it as "Russian bow hold". It's just the name that most people use so at this point in time I use that name too to ensure everybody knows what I'm talking about!

@jerrydavis1475

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChristiaanvanHemert Thank you for the information. I appreciate very much

No, you make a seamless bow change by doing the finger stroke. You are not lifting the bow. Man, you just don't know.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

I'm clueless. Consider me clay and yours too mold...please mold me! I

@plemax

4 жыл бұрын

Christiaan van Hemert no problem. The whole point of the bow control is not a posture, is a weight distribution, and bow distribution. You can hold your bow in the fist. The Franco-Belgian technic is the most efficient way to achieve that goal because it's flexible and adjustable, unlike what you call Russian bow hold.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

@@plemax Very interesting. Do you have any videos of you demonstrating the sound. Cause if your sound is better than mine I should switch. Thanks and looking forward to your video!

@plemax

4 жыл бұрын

Christiaan van Hemert lol. you mean you have good sound? Good for you. Sound over the recoding depend on the gears you are using, room acoustics, instrument itself. I will make you a video of the proper sound. Sorry to hurt your feelings. By the way. Holding violin without shoulder rest should enable you to play Paganini on G string, otherwise there no point in doing it.

@ChristiaanvanHemert

4 жыл бұрын

@@plemaxSounds good, many thanks!

Just to say that I've noticed that two of the greatest "Celtic" fiddlers of our times also use this hold: the Irishman Kevin Burke and the Scotsman Alasdair Fraser. Both of them are national treasures and famed for their clean, sensitive and nuanced playing. So as Christiaan says, you don't have to use this hold to produce great music. But it sure doesn't seem to limit you if you're attracted by the advantages and you do choose to go this way. Anything good enough for Heifetz, Milstein, Burke and Fraser is good enough for me... And although it certainly is a minority technique, a poll on violinist.com showed that 12% of members are using it, so it's far from dead - that stat suggests that millions of fiddlers use it every day.

@tomlockney895

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think everything said in this video about the advantages for gypsy fiddling apply equally to Irish fiddling.