13 years later and Chris Barnes hasn't aged a day.

When first saw the split his face read : challenge accepted

I saw one of these picked up at the bowling lane i work at just a couple days ago. 12mph ball with 550+rpms on it. Deflected off the 5 and into the 7, sending the 5 into the 10. Not impossible...

0:12 "c'mon chris! you can do it!"

As soon as that ball hit the pocket, it did a right turn! And, if u want any chance of picking it up, u have to knock the 5 into the 10, then have the ball take out the 7. It’s possible if you hook a light ball.

@coinpat

2 жыл бұрын

If you throw a hook at the 5, light enough to hit the 7, then have the 5 come off the wall cross alley and take out the 10.

That ball rolled out and lost its energy as it approached the pins.

@bobbyricigliano2799

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Thanks for posting the correct terminology. Even bowlers that throw a lot of ball can see a ball run out of gas like that. A classic roll out. And yes, I know this is a response to a n 11 year old posting.

@gnojoe6359

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby Ricigliano yessir

@Ewigi

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, my friend throws the ball slow and he really rolls the ball out and when it hits the pins it’s like a pillow. If he’s a little light he leaves ugly things like the 4-5-7, 5-7, 5-10.

I bowled on a co-ed bowling team one year in high school. One of my team mates left this split twice in one tournament. The cool thing is she picked it up one time. The bowling alley nearly lost the roof with all the whooping, yelling and chearing going on. One of the best highschool bowling memories I have.

@Jeffman529

9 жыл бұрын

You can't pick it up lol

@stevenquirk4502

8 жыл бұрын

That's what they say about the 7-10 as well. That and you wernt there.

@GradyPhilpott

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven Quirk It can be picked up. It's not impossible. When it is picked up it is usually by someone throwing a very light ball with a bit of luck.

@PuchuKt

Жыл бұрын

There's some videos on KZread about 5-7-10 conversion

I believed that he was going to convert this split because why else would you post this video?

@thiswilldoblue

6 жыл бұрын

1moredayof Because you don’t often see a pro bowler, especially a top pro bowler leave this. I guess you have not been in the game for very long which is why you don’t get the point of the vid.

@whatisthis2809

4 жыл бұрын

Rare split. 5 + 7,10 without ball hitting 7 or 10

@hankgolfer1

4 жыл бұрын

Me too believed he was going to make it.

@iqbaltrojan

4 жыл бұрын

@tree man (i am also "what is this") i one time almost made it with a 7 lb ball lmao

A guy in our league picked one up yesterday. 5 into the 7, and the 7 rolled allllll the way over to the 10. It was really delayed, to the point where the scorer only gave him 2 pins. But it was a really neat sight to see.

I had one of these at my league 2 weeks ago, first time I've ever done it. Never seen it in person before.

I left this when i was young using rubber or plastic balls, Stopped bowling for 40 years. Came back 3 years ago with the reactive resin balls and have not left this split. I don't have the ball speed I used to have but somehow have enough finish to take out the 5 pin. Left plenty of pocket 7-10's though.

Is a real shock to leave that. Working a 5-bagger this year and Bang!! Pocket 5-7-10.

Always loved these one lane events. So cool!

this can be a tricky shot but can definitly be made. i work in a bowling alley & have made a few of these myself. Also my fave shot i've ever made was a 6-7-10 split

One time about 8-10 years ago,I had the good luck of converting the 5-7-10 split....I still have no idea how I did it!

@markl8893

Жыл бұрын

liar

that's called "the Lily"

It's the worst feeling in the world when you leave that shot

Atleast he did a great try too pick that up, it is amazing too see how even the best shoots can end up like that!

I made this one once when i was 10, using a 6pound ball (normally using a 10 or a 12 punder),my fingers could still fit in those,so if you hit pin 5 from the side, the ball will be light enough to kick into the 7 or 10 pin, while pin 5 is taking out the other one. You sure got to give it a try, it made me feel real proud, but your fingers probably won't fit in a 6 pounder, I dont know if its possible with a heavier ball

@theXmenshi unless u are using a very light ball like maybe 6-8 lbs the ball will not be able to clip the 5 and continue into the 7. The only way to really get it is to pick up the 5-7 and hope one of the pins bounces out and rolls over to get the 10 pin.

ive picked it up several times. just the same way i pick up just the 7 pin standing. except it clips the left side of the 5 as its going by sending the 5 into the 10 as the ball continues into the 7 pin.

Its all to do with a weak ball being deflected off the 1 pin, fully onto the 3 pin, which then sits the 6 pin in the gutter and not hitting the 10 pin. The 5 pins stays unhit, then similar happens on the left side of the deck....likely the 2 takes the 8 and the 3 takes the 9pin.

Does that mean you started work at 3 years old ? Your profile says you are 34 years of age.

@funintegras that happens pretty often. ive picked up a few spares that way. but i just bowl recreationally so it doesnt matter if it happens.

@BuddytheChimp ...You have not got to look very far. Try the link in my description above!

i hate when they zoom in on the mall. the beauty is to see the full path of the ball zoomed out

I’ve seen this split be made but only a couple times

I was expecting him to pick it up. I thought that was the reason for it being on KZread.

What 'we' used to say at college after a frame like that: "Two more shots and you've got it!"

and to imagine Vinny accidentally did this on Wii Sports Resort

@mcj88

2 жыл бұрын

[angry duck explosion]

I've left this before but thankfully there was no film of it! :-P

I had this 5-7-10 show up and the only way I got even try to make this was to use a 6 pound house ball and use no thumb. It's a very tough split to make and more often, I've got only the 5 pin like Barnes. Until I used that 6 pound house ball, I missed every time and left an open. Using that ball, I managed to get the ball to hook left of the 5 pin just right to take out the 10 pin and the ball deflected into the 7.

I've made this before, with my 15lb HAMMER (counterweighted ball) major hook on it. Was able to cut the 5 to the 10 and have the ball hit the 7. Need dry lanes to do ti though, or a light ball like others have mentioned.

People need to think twice about talking about people not having enough revs when they leave 8-10 splits as well...here you have Chris Barnes, with a lot of revs and he leaves a 5-7-10. Happens to the best of us. I have seen more 8-10's as of late and they are left with a lot of rev players. You leave a solid 8 and a solid 10 at the same time..there u go

@aquakiller8 The 5 pin has to be launched to one side and somehow travel to the other side as well. It is not natural for a typical bowler to throw the ball very slowly without precision problems. Plus, unless you're allowed to grab a rental ball, it is a waste of time to carry a 6 lb ball in case of weird splits. The Lilly is a rare occasion and I have only left it behind twice in my life. My dad bowled a lot, yet he does not remember any occasion of leaving the 5 7 10 because it is unusual.

In my local league bowling center, this Lilly was documented to have been left on (1) pair of lanes for at least (8) times in (8) days of league bowlers. Only (1) was on the right lane, and the remainder were all on the left lane of this pair. I brought it to the attention of center's manager, who also bowled in leagues - and he was not aware of it, because other bowlers hadn't noticed it as being the extraordinarily high occurrence of this split in ANY bowling center, throughout ALL lanes, over ANY length of time. A new webpage I ran across today that documented the conversion percentages of almost 450,000 frames of professional bowlers of ALL pin combinations DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE LILLY IN THE PERCENTAGE RATIO, because it occurred less than 25 times in this test. This could easily make the Lilly the rarest of all pin-leave combinations. So now go back and re-think the idea of how many were left on this one lane pair here recently. It's past the point of being chance, bad luck, or phenomenon.

@raymondarata6549

3 жыл бұрын

Easy answer. One or more pins are off spot. Believe it or not, you have to be a decent bowler to leave it. Put the 3 pin and or the 4 pin off spot with a ball that went through the rack just missing the 5 pin due to D.O.A. and the 5-7-10 has a much greater chance to appear. I saw Dick Weber leave several of them on Championship Bowling in the 60's. A friend of mine bowled a 297 game in a college league, also in the 60's. He delivered his last ball, ran it out, and there it was..the 5-7-10! We didn't know if we should display grief over a near 300 or if we should laugh and give him some grief. We laughed.

I've seen someone throw out over about 8 board with 2 hands, bringing the ball to the left side of the 5 hitting it to the 10, with the ball deflecting off to the 7. I've left this shot a couple of times in 6 years of bowling and i'm only 16, but i've only seen it spared once.

I went bowling yesterday. Bowled 4 games and left this ugly split 3 times. Leaving this once is bad enough but 3 times? I use a hammer Black Widow Legend ball. 170 bowler. Play outside second arrow. The lanes were like glass. What did I do wrong?

As in my other comment, it is makable. For a righty, you would have to drop your wrist as if you were shooting a solid 10. You want some revs so it clips the right side of the 5 pin, kicking it to the 7 and bouncing the ball to the 10. Lefty would be the opposite side. Left side of the 5, kick the 5 into the 10 and the ball into the 7.

I had once leaving pin 5-7-10 last month..felling shocked at moment..

@bcrusher3 i know people say stuff but i bowl differently and have picked it up several times the way i said i have.. with my 15lb ball

in one of my high school bowling matches, between both teams we had three 5-7-10 and about five 7-10 and all of them were back to back on two different lanes one after another.

The weirdest split I've ever thrown is a 1-5-7-10, too much hook and it bounced out the gutter to leave that behind

@EPICGUYDUDE

8 жыл бұрын

How would one even spare that lol

@Bitflip32

8 жыл бұрын

+EPICGUYDUDE Only way I can imagine (without using a 6 pound ball and relying on deflection) is a large hook into the 1 to bounce it over to the 7 and then have enough drive to get the ball left enough of the 5 so that it can slide into the 10. I looked at the angles and it seems to check out. So, basically, throw a strike ball that's a little heavy on the pocket

@GradyPhilpott

8 жыл бұрын

+Tom Farmer With all due respect, that's not a spit. It's a washout.

@thiswilldoblue

8 жыл бұрын

+Grady Philpott Thanks, well spotted. (refers to Tom Farmer comment everybody and not my vid description).

@TehDrewsus

8 жыл бұрын

With all due respect, that's not a washout. It's a gutterball.

I've actually converted several Lilies (5-7-10) myself. As a right hander, the trick is put enough hook on the ball to touch the 5 pin on the very left side to send a messenger over to the 10 pin...while your ball carries through to take out the 7 pin. Vice versa for lefties. I also like a nice challenge of a 6-7-10 or 4-7-10 split. Converted several of each. Again... It's all about ball placement, combined with revs of the hook. The 7-10 converison, however... That's my unicorn.

The video in the description of how it's done is exactly what I was thinking. Why did he try attacking it from the other side?

@tiornys

2 жыл бұрын

One way to pick it up is to send the 5 pin off the sidewall into the 7 then continuing across to the 10. That's easier to do if you hook into the 5 instead of past it, and it's presumably what Chris was trying for.

He kinda looks like spiderman 1 green goblin guy

its called a lilly... and the shot was flat, rolled out about 10 feet before the deck and had massive deflection.

@bigge0369 I agree: in California back when I bowled regularly in the 70's, it was called the "sour apple." Lots of leaves had funny names: Greek church, grandpa's teeth, and so on. But serious bowlers simply called it the 5-7-10.

Since he is a right hander, you hit the 5 pin on the left side which knocks it into the 10 and the ball should take out the 7.

I dont have a video to prove it but I once threw the ball to aiming for the far right edge of the pin right on the gutter where the ball would fall into the gutter but then bounces back up and tap the pin just enought to get the 10 pin flying left to knock down the other pins. Lucky I guess but not impossible.

I have a lot of revs as well and the reason I bowled a 298 was because the last shot left a pocket 8-10 split.

I just left one of these 3 days ago. I tried for the conversion with the light house ball, but I settled for an 8 pounder instead of a 6 pounder. Needless to say, I somehow threw the shot perfect and the ball didn't deflect enough to cover the 10 pin. Next time I won't settle for anything but 6 pounds......but I'll probably miss the 5 pin.

@someguy2135

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. I have heard that is the only way to have a chance at it. I don't suppose you would be able to fit your fingers into the holes though, even on the 8 pounder. Right? Or maybe you have thin fingers like I do.

@Cognyze I have a buddy who leaves pocket 8-10 splits, he's got plenty revs. It might be because you hit a little flat.

i didnt even know its possible to leave that split....

That was the softest, most marshmallowy shot I've ever seen. On another note, I've actually picked this up a couple months ago. Threw it hard at the 10 pin and it popped out and knocked the 5 right into the 7.

my mom has a collection of these going, every time someone leaves one she runs down there and takes a pic of it. she's up to about 7

@TheOnehandedwonder Didn't pick it up, just for leaving the split.

LOL, how right you are! I've made this spare twice in my life with my 12 pound spare ball! It was my first bowling ball from when I was 13 and kept it as an adult to shoot spares. Needless to say, I think that was a wise decision. Pretty weird how Barnes left that though. Looked like that ball hit flush. Then again, Chris Barnes DID always seem to get the worst breaks out of anybody on the PBA tour, didn't he?

This is a makable spare... Shoot for the left hand side of the 5 pin and the5 pin will drive into the 10 and the ball will cover the 7... It amazes me that they were saying it was an unmakable spare... I don't get why Chris did not make an effort to cover it correctly...

the cookie monster is hard as hell to pick up

you dont rly need a light ball ive picked it u b4 but you have to throw slow and i hit the left side of the five kicked it to hit the ten and with the hook the ball also hit the 7

0:08 his face=Priceless

i left one of those yesterday for the first time.. gotta laugh nothing much else you can do

Exactly... Revs don't mean anything if the ball is sliding on oil not allowing it to grip and carry through the pocket. No different than a car tire revving on ice. It's spinning like mad, but it isn't going anywhere.

The sour apple! I've had it happen to me, my grandfather had it happen twice in consecutive frames as well. Just a horrible feeling.

The point of the video is not about the spare, but to show that even a top pro can (very) occasionally have a crap leave the same as the rest of us mere mortals. Chris Barnes track record proves it does not bother him.

thanks

I love the face he makes... he just kinda laughs to himself and shrugs it off

@Stick0413

3 жыл бұрын

5-7-10, that is all you can do.

@mikey82gt why do you need two lanes when you play European style?(spelling European?)

I almost picked this up once. Had to get a kids ball to do it though. The ball weighed maybe 8lb. Tons of side spin, ricocheted off the middle into the 7. Took two out, 10 escaped the messanger. Crazy.

naa the best way to get it is use an 6 or 8 pound ball bowl rly slow on one side of the 5 pin then cos the ball is light it will get 7 or 10 and the 5 pin will get the other pin

Pete Weber had this same split (can't find the link but it was the 1997 Bud Light championship - first game) and his reaction is even more amusing.

@richards31415

7 жыл бұрын

Renville80 however PDW only needed a few pins to win the match

@MONOPOLY35 throw it slow to the left side of the 5 pin so the ball heads to the 7 and the 5 should go to hit the 10, 7-10 is harder because its really just luck after you hit one of the pin

I left this last night..worst part about it is that you get punished severely for a shot that is just slightly off, as opposed to a brooklyn shot where u can strike more easily while missing the pocket entirely

I did that in open bowling once and the counter person announced it over the speaker lol

I picked this up on Saturday night. haha.

A single lane? I love it

I got this split today, one in a million

@jpba713 not impossible, if ur right handed, you throw it to the left of the 5, the ball hits the left side, shooting the 5 into the 10, the ball takes out the 7. Not impossible.

That is a common leave at A bowling house I Frequent!!

that thing rolled out so much it hooked right 0.0

If you think about it.... with the right oil conditions it could be a completely different challenge, as the oil could break down twice as fast.

He did hit the pocket *what seemed to be* in the right spot. **BUT** Just because it SEEMS to be the right spot doesn't mean it is. If you watch closely, the ball had minimal follow thru. it hit the 1 pin and bounced right. from there he just got a really unlucky bounce from the pins and left that horror of a split. When I spared it, I lined up left, flattened it out one handed dropped it at about 23 from the left and sent it outward, almost like picking up a 10. Tapped 1 into 7 and ball to 10.

i had only converted the 5-7 split but this is very hard too convert. respekt at chris barnes for this try^^

Barnes must've been bowling with a light ball here (although I can't think why he would be) for the ball to be that dead-on-arrival at the head pin. Can't believe the way that ball deflected off the 1.

Hardest split ever! No one sees it coming and very few people practice a giant hook. Plus, while the 7 10 requires a jump across the lane, the 5 has to be launched halfway to the side and then launched to the other side. Aside from that, the 5 can be hit and hopefully cause the 7 pin to fall or slide across against the 10. The 7 10 cannot be slided in, but the 5 7 10 opens a very narrow window for sliding with pin action.

@elderbowling15 You weren't bowling on PBA conditions, were you? I'm no expert, but I've heard it said that they're a solid bit less forgiving than house conditions, or even lower-level tournament conditions.

I left this in league in the weirdest way ever. I was a little light in the pocket and I paralyzed the 5 pin and the 7-10 just stayed still. The 5 pin fell and stood back up.

@elderbowling15 okay then, lets see you post some 5-7-10 spares if you think that its so easy to make.

lol. i read the caption real quick and i thought he was going to pick it up.....

Left the "sour apple" for the first time I can ever remember last week on my league. Pretty embarrassing and frustrating. This was with a 15 pound Ebonite Bash. I have thrown the apparent same shot quite a few other times and managed a wall shot strike or maybe at worst a 5-7 or 5-10. Ball rolled out and had no energy left to throw the pins around. Makes reactive resin seem like a better choice again!

funnier was belmo racing out the green room to shout from the balcony and the players shouting "THAT JUST HAPPENED"....Quality

@caganb I think it would have been pretty sweet if he had left it and picked it up.

need another trip to the sports psychologist to find out what went wrong

That MIGHT work if you're throwing a 6 pound plastic ball that will deflect off of a pin. a 13-16 pound traction ball isn't going to just magically deflect off of the 5 pin over to the 7 pin. As a right hander, a good method is to throw down and in from the right side of the lane with enough hook and revs on the ball to touch the 5 pin on the very left (Brooklyn) side to send a messenger over to the 10 pin...while your ball carries through to take out the 7 pin. Vice versa for lefties.

@mixelsfan2isawesome524

5 жыл бұрын

@Trey Prevost it is possible to do it the way that he said it could work

I don't get it. How does he leave a Lilly with that amount of revs and speed?

i've converted it with a lighter ball and have it bounce of the five i did that twice so far

@mikey82gt if you have to ask you probably shouldn't watch theese kinda movies

but come on... can anyone PLAN the 7-10 conversion? It's taken all 3 players on TV by surprise. Other than that I haven't seen anyone convert it. as for the 5-7-10... i'm not sure i've seen that one.... lol. how the hell did chris barnes leave the 5 after hitting the pocket? does his ball weigh 10 pounds or something? that's crazy. i guess he doesn't have much hook, but there are a decent amount of revs on his ball. the 5 was a problem for me when i had my 12 lb plastic ball.

i got it once, but im not entirely sure how BECAUSE i got a 12 pound ball, im only 15 and usually use a 10, and just chucked it as hard as i could, spinning as i did, then my freinds all cheered and all the pins were down. They told me that i had hit the 5 pin which took out 7 and then the ball hit ten... somehow