Man, I never realized listening to people talk about frames is so interesting

@idacampbell206

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree it makes a difference and a statement

@andrewlm5677

2 жыл бұрын

That frame maker would be very interesting to speak to

Thank you National Gallery for keep on going with one of the finest content on KZread! much appreciate!

Soooo interesting! Please keep this type of content coming. 👏👏👏

No idea how much thought went into a frame! this is fantastic! More videos on steps please!

I has the joy of seeing this work of art at the Wadsworth Antheneum (Hartford, Ct. USA) museum yesterday in their exhibition " By Her Hand: Artemesia Gentileschi and Women Artists in Italy 1500-1800". It is more amazing up close! The restoration work and framing are excellent!

In a perfect world of conservarion, framing and decision making where everybody can express themselves and in a such subtle and polite manner ❤ This series is a truly gem.

Interesting to hear the speakers share their information.

So illuminating, thank you. I learned to evaluate and love the frames as well as the pictures by hearing Peter Schade speak at an NG lecture. Only downside is that now it takes me twice the time to visit any exhibition! Please could he be a regular feature?

That was a great segment. Thank you! I love the Italian frame on the Gentileschi. This style of frame is usually found encasing many of the works by Rembrandt. There are a lot of people who do not realize framing is an art in itself; I learned this lesson when I apprenticed under the late Aldo Pistidda of Décor Aldo Inc., a fine art and furniture restoration & conservation firm. It's best to allow a client to decide upon a frame of their choice, when having restoration done on a piece; the same goes when selling new works.

All three of these individuals are so expertly detailed and dedicated in their fields and I think I can speak for everyone in that we are all so grateful! I really found interesting what he said about sometimes the frame that would be historically accurate just doesn't go with the piece like another frame would!

So rare to see such professional explanation of every step how they evaluate the painting and those frames! Exactly what i need...

Absolutely lovely all what I've seen and heard.

Beautiful work! Thanks a lot! :D

I came to this video hoping to learn how to choose a frame for some watercolor art... what I learned was that people have struggled for centuries with how to choose a frame. LOLOLOL. You just never know what you will learn on youtube. Thanks to the National Gallery for such wonderfully interesting and instructional videos.

This was really interesting!

Fascinating discussion. I was expecting to hear more consideration of how the frame works with lighting in the gallery and whether there will be glass on top of the picture. One of my greatest frustrations with museums are works displayed such that shadows and glare and reflections prevent the viewer from seeing the whole work clearly.

@olavwilhelm6843

3 жыл бұрын

oil paintings are generally not behind glas!!! the oil would be in conflict with the mirroring glas!! you only use glas for pastells or watercolours for protection

I like the black and gold frame best.

Interesting decision process.

More on frames and suchlike please. It's like an appetiser to the main course, Dr Chloe and colleagues elaborating and reflecting. Thanks..

@nationalgallery

2 жыл бұрын

Have a look at our Restoration playlist which has a lot of behind the scenes content and a whole video dedicated to framing 6 paintings by Titian! kzread.info/head/PLvb2y26xK6Y7VpUt4n_py9LGrJKR9WsQ-

Divine!

How I wish I could go to London for this show! I have been a fan of Artemisia for years.Does anyone know if the show will travel elsewhere after January?

@nationalgallery

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Sandra, there are currently no plans for the exhibition to travel elsewhere. If you haven't already, do have a look at our online features for the exhibition: www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/artemisia#DocumentCards94930

Very interesting. The frame is so important as a suit or a dress in completing a person. Could you photograph the painting and play with software to test the different frames?

@namanor

Жыл бұрын

Good question, however the three dimensionality and physical presence of the framed piece play quite a major yet subtle role in its presentation. Think of the difference between viewing pieces electronically vs in person.

interesting, thanks!

The plain gold gilt frame on the left is best :) Kim!

Actually, I did like the tortoise frame. It blended with the colors. They did not consider that the colors of the newly restored painting would have clashed with the black frame. The gold is a compromise.

@NSABF

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

Why not the brown one from the left... pile, it look like it will go nice with the brown in the painting.

Could it be that the black frame was made to accommodate something that was created from the northern Renaissance period and found itself in the baroque period in Italy ?🤔

You people have job from dreams :)

I would go straight for a reproduction as I am totally against cutting and modifying period frames. I also agree that there is a great deal of interpretation when finding a new frame for a painting. Viewers might be actually tricked in assuming that the applied decorative frame is the painting's original. Hence sometimes I consider the manufacturing of new decorative frames that are plain and simple to make it evident that its a new one. Of course then it is important to paint such frames with a neutral-toned colour that compliments the painting without stealing much attention. Well done for sharing such behind-the-scene discussions as they raise awareness of the complexity and professionalism of conservation and restoration projects.

@iulianispas8634

5 жыл бұрын

I have 2 antique frams havely carved with gold leaf at list 300 year old they are usless widout painting originally they have portrets damaged biond repair

@paolagrando5079

3 жыл бұрын

@@iulianispas8634 300 years old heavily decorated frames useless without paintings? I politely disagree. Yes, they were made to go with a painting but I find them artwork on their own. I use them to frame something else or just hung them with their beauty and details standing out.

The more of these I watch, the more I wonder how much this must all cost? The art, restoration teams, the galleries, .. The teams spend immense amounts of time with just _one_ painting.

@kevinchambers1101

2 жыл бұрын

An arm and a leg. The price is monumental for the paintings alone.

@AndyCutright

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinchambers1101 International money laundering ... it's great they keep these pieces in shape I can't imagine that the folks who do the labor are particularly well paid

I was cheering, “Go with the black frame, go with the black frame!” I think it looks better and makes the painting stand out. But they cut the video short, so idon’t Know their decision. I guess there will be other videos of this.

The black frame makes the skin tones of the model pop out nicely. In contrast, the old gold frame is nearer in color to the skin tones in the painting and thus makes the skin look blah; it weakens the painting very much.

i must say i disagree with all of the choices and the flat conversation they had only proves to me that the guys are not the most specialists but tried to sound like they are in the know! the black frame is a a very common florentine model which in 1612 Ikea would have sold :-)! i doubt that gentileschi or cosimo of Medici would have chosen this one for the Palazzo Pitty!!

@PLuMUK54

2 жыл бұрын

Goodness. How wonderful to be better than experts who do this every day. Which gallery do run?

@bgm3460

Жыл бұрын

All the 'restoration' is a disaster, you must see the 8 and 11 video, putting wax to the canvas y touching while painting, the frame is nothing.....

How about doing a survey to let viewers choose which frame :D?

@georgefrench1907

5 жыл бұрын

MomentsGap Interesting notion, but perhaps such a complex aesthetic decision would best be left to the professionals.

@MomentsGap

5 жыл бұрын

@@georgefrench1907 sure, I meant like out of the last 2 or 3 choices

@georgefrench1907

5 жыл бұрын

@JONATHAN SUTCLIFFE A thoughtful reply. Cheers.

@georgefrench1907

5 жыл бұрын

@@MomentsGap Understood. Thanks for the comment.

Poor camera work out of focus a lot !!

Sorry, but in my opinion none of the frames matches to the painting. All the frames shown are not portrait frames, but frames that are more suitable for a landscape or a representation of several people, or a scene that depicts a specific situation. Although the dark frame fits the painting in time, but it is also not suitable for adequately depicting the portrait of the lady.

Who dislikes this?

Absolutely absurd using a dull grey mockup with all its visual distractions, as opposed to a copy of the newly restored painting. No way to be having this discussion. Depressing to see otherwise intelligent people not seeing the obvious!

i haven't heard this much of nothing in a long....well...maybe not long....well...it's really not short since the increments increase successively upon itself.... but what is quite crucial, that one is prone to fail at applying is the factors of x to the y, which are irrelevant without the z. Just save us all some time and take the piece in question to your local Mom's & Pop's frame shop and let the pro's help you out !

I missed the first hour on the painting itself So what wall colour best goes with the painting,,and what about the carpet, And how are you going to market the painting to bring in the punters,The title is a real bummer,,its a real branding problem ,,,,sorry,,,branding issue, St Catherine of Alexandria,,,for Chrissake,,who cares about an Egyptian saint,And the artists name ,,I mean,,seriously,Why not change it to something sexy/Irish eg Siobhan McNamars

I can’t find a citation for the music- anyone recognize?