Excellent, excellent, excellent and special thanks to the moderator, he kept his mouth shut during the discussion. We need more of these with Ms Rice. Thank you.

At minute 6:10 Mr. Patton gives his reasoning for why true democracy was never allowed in the years, the decades, the history leading up to Hong Kong's handover to the mainland. That may well have been the most crucial gem of this presentation.

When I lived in HK Chris Patten could be regularly seen in the pubs around town chatting to the locals,always approachable and no security detail to speak of.

I am a bit disturbed by the repeated calls for Open Society. As that seems to be the goal of men like Soroz and the name of his political organization. I know it comes from Popper but fail to understand how that can be seen as anything other than an indictment of Popper. You really need to clarify that in depth. Because we've all had the experience of arguing with some communist about how Stalin was not really Communist. Assurances that Soros doesn't really mean Open Society are insufficient.

@robertgittins5267

3 жыл бұрын

Please realize that people like Soros and his accomplices 'Hijack' words and phrases and change the definitions of words thus corrupting the true meanings. Examples: 'progressive', 'open societies', 'black lives matter','antifascist', 'philanthropist', these are all good things in the true sense of the word, but these cunning and caniving people are trisksters and are trying to fool people. Don't fall for it and tell other people what their game is.

Good interview, btw. I wish more people valued these types of important discussions over bread and circuses. I hope we dont have to lose it to really appreciate it.

I just want to ask China one question, since you claimed that you successfully combat the cornoravirus, how come would this virus travel all over the world?

I would like to have heard more regarding the future of the CCP, according to Lord Patten. The three problems he mentioned, demographics, drought and debt - will these pose a threat to the CCP, or will the CCP continue to rule for decades?

Regarding Hong Kong and even Taiwan; they have to desire freedom more than life; we cant feel that way for them. Should we value their freedom more than they? I know that some in/from the u.S. have already died for them. However, unless there are more such as that man standing with groceries in front of tanks in Tianamin or people like Jimmy Lai or others prepared to suffer for their own freedom in their own Countries and among their own people, then how much blood, treasure and how much more national debt should we commit to?

@sean9321

3 жыл бұрын

There are thousands of people filed suicide by Hong Kong police who were in the protest in 2019. Unfortunately only Jimmy Kai's paper and social media were reporting it. Again unfortunately for Western media, such incidents won't be reported for years like the Xinjiang concentration camps. People in Chinese speaking world knew about it for so many years but the west dubbed it conspiracy only until around 2019. This is the sad truth of how you feel is most likely controlled by the media you read everyday.

The moderator referred to Lord Patten as 'Lord Chris Patten." The title "Lord" is not used when the first name is used.

Excellent, Thank you,.

😍 Beautiful Dream Woman Condoleezza 😍.

Regarding Universities and even public education; are they fulfilling their purpose? For example, in these united States, are they turning out well informed, curious, thoughtful, logical, intelligent, articulate people with well-formed ideas though still being able to think for themselves, a solid foundation to improve one's station in life, a love and appreciation for law, politics, faith, The Constitution, history specially and Civilization generally? If not, you may want to consider some other tact because if you arent turning out those kind of people, the public is getting a lousy return on their investment.

Grateful for discussions about China. Fascinating subject. Not talked about nearly enough.

These two conversants should continue to infuse courage, hope and who knows future a Heroes for a free and truly brave society and that the spirit which is demonstrated by the hero of Tianamen square prosper. We are witnessing so much instability that our younger generation must be led back to human values that Bob Dylan wrote in one of his songs such as Dignity. It needs to be restored in everyday lives for the good of our societies to co- exist and then other other virtues will be recovered such as Charity and Hope and Faith.

That was a great discussion.

sound seems distorted

My view for why China would have to go to where it is now is that the opening up does bring huge benefits to its economy development, ppl’s lives to better but the political system that lack of check and balance, no mechanism for power transition, the feudal tradition and the corruption with its economic developments, all these has made China has to step into a more conservative and totalitarian power control like what it is now. The ruling power also worried that they will lose their power by continue opening up. This is a imperative consequence with this political system. Hong Kong’s destiny like it is now is also a result of that leadership and their political backwardness.

Freedom ah a no mattah, onry illusion ah freedom mattah.

good discussion

China has been thinking that take back Taiwan like Hong Kong practising the so called one country two system with its economic power. But Hong Kong is a fatal failure demonstrated to the world that one country two system doesn’t work due its habitual nature of breaking covenants!

LIBERATE HONG KONG! REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES! 5 DEMANDS - NOT 1 LESS!

Unfortunately, "education" or, indoctrinization as the case may be, has become a debt trap. If people would have taken credit cards and blew it all on drinks, entertainment and clothes, the debts would have been forgiven after 7 years, but until now, student loan debt is often more expensive than buying a home. Unless by some forgiveness or if they could by chance pay it off, they are otherwise saddled with it for life! I'm not saying education should altogether be without cost, but if you want engineers, scientists and the development of brilliant minds, it is not wise to make them debt slaves for life; its not lawful, either. You know the laws; the same Law that is basis for The 7th Year of Release, and with it, The Jubilee. These are the same laws which form the basis of only going back 7 years for tax purposes, for bankruptcy, for rolling off the credit report, etc... But, who needs "education", when it becomes a noose around their neck?

@needparalegal

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, you go 100k in debt you tend to believe the lies you paid for.

I think besides the leadership tend to be more conservative and not wanting any western values rooting in China and in the first 10 years why Hong king seemed to be fine practising its democracy and the capitalism system was because china’s economic power has led them no bargaining power at the time. With the economy rising and infiltration all over the world, now it has become the second large economy in the world, there are countries or cities started compromising and be submissive to China especially after the financial crisis. That’s also the time Hong Kong list it’s autonomy but by bit. Perhaps this is the real nature of a communism regime!

25 minutes in and they haven't mentioned Trump and his approach... Should I continue listening? Is this relevant??

I think the US should be more tough to Hong Kong because if the US continues to give this preferential privilege to hing Kong, that will become a black holes for all intellectual properties and technologies being lost!

i hope they talk about what next ... but they dont

"Universities are still pillars of open societies" ROFL

With lots of state owned companies comming into hing Kong stock market and the high political pressure from CCP, as politics and economy goes hand in hand, Hong Kong will ultimately lose its autonomy and emerge as a part of China, literally say an ordinary city like many other cities in mainland China unless there will be a change in sovereignty.

I see this guy reminiscing about TEA w/ XIA one evening in BEIJING; ON THIS ONE, WE CAN'T TRUST THE OLD TIMERS ON WHAT TO DO. That's the problem! It's the History, Stupid! We can't trust anyone unless we know where you have been for the last 5 generations, at least. I can trackback to a General in the Revolutionary War, so I am good!

So, for 120 years, the UK never allowed democracy in Hong Kong. People rebelled and they killed them by the thousands. Not counting that stealing land from a country 10k miles away from you is not really moral.

Well educated this point of view about the tragedy of honhong the transición from the British end China , took more then 20 years to Lerner the communist party, compiled opresión, not liberty and any rights the government rules however look for USA the president Trump finally looking how China olmos took our economic

Summary: two previous empires warn about the next.

Hong kong ....hong kong ... old dead song. Liisbon is where is where the old stomach is.

Bueller...Bueller... 2:25 dialog starts

unsubbed

@needparalegal

3 жыл бұрын

You don't like your Deep State propaganda served with a British accent?

The problem with Patten's stand is he is trying to write the history of China and Hong Kong only through his own interpretation. Ever since he left China, he made it his sole mission to make the rest of the world to believe his version of what China was, is, and will be in the future.

Condi for President

Another hit piece against China.

@fedcoin1602

3 жыл бұрын

Walid another 50 cents earned

To Patten and many like him, the world, particularly China, has to conform to the wills and values of the Western world, the Western world of, in his own words, "wealthy" democracies. It is a problem for the "China man" to insist on the Chinese being of culture and values without totally amenable to the wills and values of the "wealthy" democracies.

I don't think Mr. Lord Chris Patten's way of thinking and insights about China fits the current situation any more.

@THE-COOL-GIRL-CHANNEL

3 жыл бұрын

The United States and China`s biggest problem is zionist/israeli intervention into both nation`s foreign and domestic policies., Black Lives Matter CLAIMS TO BE marxist trained., The Chinese leader Xi hung a giant picture of Carl Marx in the Great hall. So we have 2 opposing countries , with ideologies governed by marxist., and the sad part is., the marxist want both China, and The United States destroyed and under their total control. if the leaders are not going to stand against these zionist ruining life as we know it_via_ by any means necessary /ASAP/ - then it is up to the people to remove them_ASAP

New era has come, old guys like Pattern could leave the stage, he is not needed anymore.

Is this set-piece "discussion" intended for people who were born yesterday? With the exception of a few minor points (references to British actions during the Opium Wars for example) this is thinly-veiled propaganda and a pretty unsophisticated at that. The underlying taken as given references for example to Chinese activity in the South China Sea being somehow universally accepted as illegitimate and provocative, in a global context of Western military and economic dominance. It's all a bit of a joke really. I guess that Rice et al need to direct their nervous energy at something in semi-retirement. I guess Dropbox and the odd interview with their ideological counterparts passes as discourse in the US.