When americans think they "need" to "rescue" another nation it sends chills down my spine; sure, just like you saved Afghanistan, Irak, Lybia and countless more

@machovalkarie7896

4 ай бұрын

We saved iraq by turning it to a democracy

@raven_g6667

4 ай бұрын

@@machovalkarie7896 yea, with all those liberal democracy bombs.

@aadpiraat7126

4 ай бұрын

In ww2 they saved mine

@lukesmith8896

4 ай бұрын

Now they "need" to "rescue" Iran, Yemen, Venezuela, Cuba - some powerful people even think Mexico could use some "help."

@Tadfafty

4 ай бұрын

By destroying it for "democracy" AKA stealing their oil, and spreading poverty.@@machovalkarie7896

The one child policy. I read a book on it by Mei Fong, and if I remember right, the policy was implemented by a military rocket scientist who had no understanding of family planning or women's bodies. Makes me think about how many policies and legislature we see in the US developed by controlling classes against bodies who they have no experience living in. Americans can look at the one child policy and think it's extreme, but we our houses are not clean either

@andrewgodly5739

4 ай бұрын

America makes policies knowing full well the negative impact they have all the time. When was the last time a pro-labor policy was passed or anything to help alleviate poverty? The vast majority of policies have probably killed more people than they helped. Only the richest 1% have benefited from the recent past decades

@IshtarNike

4 ай бұрын

Yep. A big issue with the one child policy was that it didn't account for improved technology. They thought they were facing overpopulation and famine, but in reality the rate of population increase was already slowing down. They also had newer and better crops coming along. They maintained the one child policy almost 30 years too long, if it was even necessary at all.

@HeavenlyEchoVirus

4 ай бұрын

So literally with the eugenics programs in the US and Canada, that were explicitly about preserving a "pure" healthy Anglo-Saxon population.

@ryanfitzgerald9833

4 ай бұрын

No... I respectfully suggest you are mistaken. Our forced sterilizations and criminalization of abortion make us far worse.

@zeitgeistx5239

4 ай бұрын

That’s how white supremacy works. As a Chinese person that immigrated to the U.S. 30 years ago, I learned long ago that this is how white supremacy works. Paint a black and white picture and point to China as evil while ignoring the fact that we often did similar things. By painting China as an extreme it allows those ignorant writers to feel good about their situations.

A really good documentary about North Korea is "My Brothers and Sisters in the North" which follows a South Korean woman visiting and speaking with everyday people in North Korea just as people, rather than as victims. The documentary does a really good job of not insisting upon any narratives but just lets the people speak for themselves.

@K.l.b99

4 ай бұрын

Ugh I love that documentary! The crazy context is also that the filmmaker gave up her South Korean citizenship for a German citizenship to be able to enter and film in NK. She also made a documentary about the children of North Korean men and East German woman who were born during a student exchange in the 50s/60s and never met their fathers, and it’s similarly incredible intimate, about everyday people.

@hithedragon7842

4 ай бұрын

That sounds really interesting, I'll have to check it out!

@NoMoreCrumbs

4 ай бұрын

"Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul" is also incredibly good and available for free on KZread

This reminds me of Defunctland's video about EuroDisney where Disney tried to exploit French employees like they did in America and learned what happens the hard way.

@anne.l.w

4 ай бұрын

there’s another example of a country finding american work culture exploitive and almost cult like, Walmart has no locations in Germany because the germans found it weird that “Walmart employees are required to stand in formation and chant, “WALMART! WALMART! WALMART!” while performing synchronized group calisthenics.” which makes sense that they would feel uncomfortable doing it when the old knot-sea national anthem had people chant “Deutschland” three times at the end of it, and synchronized stretches/calisthenics were popular in the knot-sea youth.

@elliart7432

4 ай бұрын

@@anne.l.w I'm sorry, Walmart does what now??

@peachesandcream22

4 ай бұрын

French people were always kinda socialistic (despite the fact bourgoise was created in France) and Charles de Gaulle created an opportunity for work unions, which was frowned down upon in US. And also, de Gaulle had pretty good relationship with Soviet Union, so US basically viewed France as some kind of enemy. And now look what US does now😆

@laurenrietveld2421

3 ай бұрын

@@anne.l.wDeutschland*

@anne.l.w

3 ай бұрын

@@laurenrietveld2421 auto correct is a bitch, iphone needs to get her shit together lol

I'm a brown latina, and I really relate to what you said about only seeing people that look like you in documentaries and news coverage. The time I remember seeing the most kids that looked like me/like I did when I was a kid was a news coverage of latino children crying and scared, having no parents to pick them up from school, after an ICE raid in a factory. All I could think was, wow, I looked exactly like these kids as a child, watching these poor frightened kids crying and sobbing because they were afraid they'd never see their parents again

@bellepensamiento3431

3 ай бұрын

me too. its the anti-indigenous sentiment. being latina is fine if youre tall and white but as soon as you look indigenous ur SOL in some places anyways

it was nice to hear you mention how the one child policy isn’t really enforced in rural areas because I’ve always been confused why my parents who lived in china had siblings when the policy was in place

@Lemony123

4 ай бұрын

Yo! Is that the guy who made Turnabout Search History series?

@iflime

4 ай бұрын

@@Lemony123 yea lmao

@hxjjdjd606

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, because China said that the poor can have more kids in order to have more workers ONLY if the firstborn was a girl

@matheusvillela9150

Ай бұрын

The policy was enforced different according to region. In some regions, at worst the parents would get a very small fine, in others, having multiple children could mean bankrupcy.

I was adopted from China (Jiangxi actually) and am just now (at almost 30) coming to terms with what had happened and how an international adoption like that is so traumatic for all parties.

@HughJass-jv2lt

4 ай бұрын

❤❤

@ruthydrawsalot8210

4 ай бұрын

Similar thing happened in Vietnam. It's sad how the global north destroy countries and then mock them and lie about what happened.

@jinbesan

3 ай бұрын

JIANGXI PROVINCE MENTION

When looking at the American Factory part of the video, I think part of the difference in CURRENT Chinese attitudes to work is that over the last 40 years they've seen a massive and almost unimaginable development in their society. They see that as a result of their hardwork (which it is) so its easier to see their jobs as genuinely making a difference even if its not to their own lives but just to the country as a whole. Conversely, in America all people have seen for the last 40 years is a relative decline in living standards as you went from being able to support a family on one income, to not being able to move out until you're 30 and having to change jobs every two years just to get an above inflation pay rise. In the end both attitudes are understandable and they're less about "culture" than they are about the realities of life and the economy in their respective countries. But even then, China is changing so fast that the American levels of late stage capitalism are coming to them thick and fast too. So many gen z and millennials are out of work or massively underemployed despite being promised a "Chinese dream." They had the Lying Flat movement and so on. Honestly I'm always struck by how similar humans actually are despite our so called "cultural differences."

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

whats wild to me is that its no secret that europeans live the easiest lives on earth, but there's no economic evidence to support how or why they are able to do so. they dont work, they dont have profitable businesses, and they dislike immigration. they dont have any major or valuable technological innovations to show where that money could have come from. meanwhile in america, we have the most productive working population on the planet, at least as far as profit producing goes, but our quality of life keeps rapidly declining despite our ever increasing productivity. seems to me like anyone with at least two brain cells in their head can see where all the money from our hard work is going. but no matter how many times i point this out and provide evidence to people about, the cognitive dissonance thats drilled into their heads from birth about eurocentric culture being honorable and good to/for people takes over and they deny our reality thats literally shoved in our faces every day. there's no legal way european countries can provide so much to their populations at such severe financial losses. usa has always just been a free labor colony for rich europeans to exploit for growing their fortunes.... otherwise working class americans would all be bringing in hundreds of thousands each year, due to actually producing 500k - 1million in net profit per worker per year...

@AammaK

3 ай бұрын

That's an interesting point!

@confusedpozole406

3 ай бұрын

That’s because class warfare is universal

As somebody who grew up in China, it was very interesting to hear your outsider perspectives on how children's life there is like. Child poverty and labor are indeed problems, but having lived in the US for a while now I have to say that child poverty, labor, criminalization, and institutionalization is even more grotesque and especially racialized here. Even as these issues are more prevalent in China by virtue of being a poorer country overall, and massively shady and flawed programs, there are more safety nets, welfare programs, and compassion for children overall as well in comparison to the US, where the extent of welfare goes to free school lunches.

@americandirt7834

4 ай бұрын

Utterly idiotic take. But completely predictable for the astroturfed piece of excrement Cheyenne Lin (she/her) who runs this channel. More compassion for children in a country whose economy depends on cranking out junk to the rest of the world that is manufactured in sweatshops? You can't make this stuff up.

@moustachio05

4 ай бұрын

Doesn't China also have issues with ethnic discrimination?

@derek7762

4 ай бұрын

@@moustachio05 yes. And in the US there are the historically most successful genocides and continued enforced cultural genocide.

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

@@derek7762 thats just not true and cant be contributed to USA. those are strictly european ventures. only ever committed by european loyalists who couldnt give half a sh!t about america. since our founding, america has been utilized as a playground for rich eurocentrics to exploit to their hearts content. to this day, the vast majority of wealth created here, gets handed to europe in one way or another. mostly laundering lately. but there's a reason the "world bank" is a european entity and not something operated by the entire world lol. they own everything and everyone according to the legal system they created to make themselves the perpetual rulers of the earth. but yeah, there's been more recent and much more intense genocides committed by the uk. in ww2 they literally killed more indians than the germans killed anyone. out of spite for them existing while brown and not being willing to sacrifice their well being to enrich pompous inbr3d monarchists.

@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811

4 ай бұрын

@@derek7762even now there a tons of native Americans that go missing, yet never get persued by the US government.

A lot of women secretly thanked the policy because without it, they will be forced to keep popping until a boy is born. Also they call “the only daughters” as “shrimps on the Titanic”. Under normal circumstance the shrimps (alive) were to be cooked for dinner, but got a second chance to live in the ocean as Titanic sank. Meaning the policy was tragic like Titanic, however the only daughters got a chance of better life that could have belonged to her brother.

@lenanayashkova

4 ай бұрын

Must have been the case for some, but also huge numbers of daughters got gender selectively aborted or abandoned. Many people didn't want to take the one daughter they got, they still wanted to try for that son and did what they had to do

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

@@lenanayashkova more children starve to death inside of america each year than the amount of children who have died or been aborted (abortion is a good thing, i'd know because i was not supposed to be here and my family treated me as such, starving me and using me as slave labor, thanks eurocentric culture for incentivizing them to be that way btw) in china in the past 150 years lol. add everywhere that eurocentric counbtries have substantial economic control over, and you've got over one billion children murdered with economic terrorism every single year. if you are going to criticize something for being harmful to children, perhaps you should examine the astronomically larger harm actively happening because of your own turning a blind eye to it before you start spewing crocodile tears about people who you probably dont consider to be human in the first place.

@johnsinclair4621

4 ай бұрын

@@lenanayashkovaTo say that they had to do it is just not true. They chose to do it.

@lenanayashkova

4 ай бұрын

@@johnsinclair4621 that's not how I meant it. They did what they had to do (to get what they wanted). It's wasn't meant as a positive assesment of the choice

@tofuteh2348

3 ай бұрын

Or how about we just let women do what they want with thier bodies

Watching something like Bollywood propaganda movies, a country that I have to personal stake in, and then going back and watching seemingly innocuous Western movies is so eye opening. When you have that detachment EVERYTHING is so blatant. Then you watch some American war movie and it's like "Ohhhh".

@Anna-pm3fq

4 ай бұрын

What bollywood movies are you talking about?

@eileenguy9478

4 ай бұрын

​@@Anna-pm3fq literally any work about freedom fighters or the armed forces. There are Pathaan, War, the Tiger franchise, Uri, and so many more movies. Even Fanaa, The Legend Of Bhagat Singh, RRR can count

@raven_g6667

4 ай бұрын

Use to work at a movie theater that showed Bollywood movies in Telugu alongside regular American ones. You'd have Sivaji or Jhoom Bara Bara Jhoom alongside Iron Man lol. I actually enjoyed some of em (especially Sivaji). Later in life, after actually learning about what's going on with Indian politics, yea, those movies were just straight propoganda lol.

Forced abortion or no rights to it. No matter which country we are talking about governments suck and should not be making these choices for women when it comes to their babies. China and US have both supported and enforced awful policies in this regard.

@raven_g6667

4 ай бұрын

Agreed

@showtime1235

4 ай бұрын

still hoping you get a date by being a feminist huh?

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts

3 ай бұрын

Legal abortion always leads to forced abortion, the people pushing abortion from the top aren't interested in "choice" they're interested in curling the population. My own family has seen this, I should have a brother or sister, my parents wanted desperately to have a child, but "doctors" decided she didn't deserve a baby, so they murdered him or her. The UK, on paper, doesn't force people to murder their children through abortion, but the reality is quite different. They had to flee to a different part of the country to be "alllowed" to have me. All abortion is murder, what does it matter who is committing mass murder against babies? Such a crime is always wrong.

@johnmckeon4498

3 ай бұрын

​@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts I don't have any reason to know if you are telling the truth about this story. I'll take it at face value as once instance because I don't know you. ASlso curious, what were the medical circumstances that made them conclude that? Was your mother's life considered at high risk or something? And you are just leaving this out. No legally practicing doctor is going to say have an abortion "because the population is too high." That is nonsense. That said, "Legal abortion always leads to forced abortion" is not a statement you can back up. Unless you can prove this from every country that has ever had legal abortions. So you are going to be looking through more documents than you've probably read in your whole life to find enough points to support such a rediculous claim.

Please read China's Hidden Children by Kay Ann Johnson. The one child policy not only restricted family planning, it prevented and restricted domestic adoption. Children "outside of the plan" were often abandoned by coercion, but many more were hidden through illegal domestic adoptions and through falsified descriptions of how children came to be (whether claimed to be "foundlings" or said other family members was their parents). Domestic adoption in China during the time of the peak of these family planning policies was actually occurring at higher rates than in the west. There was more of a "two child - one son/one daughter" ideal rather than a desire for solely sons. One Child Nation (2019) that you mention reinforces xenophobic ideas about how the one child policy really affected families in China by claiming the gender imbalance was because girls were abandoned at higher rates due to a sexist society and by ignoring the attempts by birth families to keep their "out of plan" children. It paints Chinese people as cruelly caring out the policy and/or following it simply out of duty, but there's a lot more nuance than that. I still think one Child Nation is worth watching, but it is not the only side to the story. (I'm also a Chinese adoptee...)

you honestly hit the nail on the head in your state of mind segment: the u.s. and north korea are extremely similar in ways we don't like to admit like, a lot of the horrible things that happen in dprk or china or wherever aren't unique to those countries. things like fervent patriotism and jingoism, deeply entrenched propaganda, mass poverty and food insecurity, imprisonment of political prisoners, the controlling of reproductive rights, child exploitation--they happen right here in the US (and canada. and britain. and france.), it just manifests a little differently. and like you said, that doesn't mean the horrible things don't happen or that they should be ignored. its just that north koreans aren't "brainwashed", *they're just normal people trying to live their lives in an unfair system.* it really feels like the lingering stink of the last 60 years of cold war sinophobia is why we westerners are so cruel in discussions about these problems

@sentientnatalie

4 ай бұрын

The US empire and the DPRK, one of these has no sanctions, the other, has the most severe sanctions in the entire world. Now, guess who's being sanctioned and who's doing the sanctioning, and why.

@henrytep8884

4 ай бұрын

Is it really though? When in the USA have we condemned 2 12 years old to hard times for watching k-pop/k-drama? I think people do this weird equivocation when it isn't categorically the same thing. The USA was and still is one of the best countries to live in, but relative to N.Korea its day and night, its not even close. Is there patriotism in America? Yes, but it is countered by free speech and the second amendment. We make fun of ourselves all the time, we burn our own flags all the time, so even if a certain population has strong national pride (which isn't surprising for a superpower), it isn't as if everyone is coerced to do so. Deeply entrenched propaganda? We have people like Noam Chomskey, Bernie Sanders, etc... who does N.Korea have? I'm surprised people fall for the false equivocation, its not even close.

@K.C-2049

4 ай бұрын

@@henrytep8884 12 year olds might not be getting incarcerated, but just gonna remind you that the US has allowed child marriage and cults/religions like Mormonism and Scientology and puritanical Christian branches to brainwash and groom and assault children for AGES. yeh it might not be state sanctioned, but sure as shit it's close enough given the conflation of church and state in your country. anti trans and anti abortion legislation aren't a very good look as far as so called "freedom" goes, either. oh and child labour. child labour is making a comeback, because it can.

@kazaddum2448

4 ай бұрын

@@henrytep8884 That story again? With the only source being a video without sound? And the BBCs word for it? Which admits in the corresponding article that they could not confirm anything? Do you have no media literacy? Westerners are really as brainwashed as they think north koreans are.

@ellie_nkv

4 ай бұрын

@@henrytep8884 brother there’s literally states in the us that don’t let a 10 year old that was raped get an abortion. what are you talking about? stop pointing at others and start looking at your own mess of a country. also the second amendment definitely contributes to so many children dying in school shootings. you’re so fucking blind it’s not even funny anymore.

Sadly, one child policy is feeling the affects now. Women should have control of their body, but governments want to say what a women should be. As for American Factory documentary, workers need rights regardless of who they are.

$14 an hour, some US states and some cities still have the minimum wage at $7.50.

@kiernanbauman

4 ай бұрын

Pennsylvania minimum wage still $7.25/hr 😎😎😎

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

whats worse is that almost every business here steals wages from their workers. so much so that it surpasses the value of goods stolen from businesses by a factor of 10. they literally wont even pay people for what they contractually agreed to pay them for. we're at an inflection point where rich eurocentrics are just converting back to overt slavery at a break neck pace. its why we've seen a universal rise in eurocentric fascist organizations in every single eurocentric country. they dont even want to pay people the .00001% of their generated profit anymore. they want everyone to pay them for the opportunity to have all the value of their lives stolen and handed to people who think inbr33ding and monarchy is awesomesauce.

@manwhoismissingtwotoenails4811

4 ай бұрын

Or if you're a server you get 2.25 an hour 🫴🫳🫴🫳🫴✨

@raven_g6667

4 ай бұрын

Last job I had was 10 dollars an hour. The minimum wage where I am is 7.25 but that basically serves as a competitive starting point. Even the 14/hour isn't enough to live on. Which is why if you raise the minumum to 15, employers will have to pay a good bit more to stay competitive.

@nootnewt9323

4 ай бұрын

I made $16/hr before I started getting salaried positions. And our boss acted like we should be thankful for our shitty wages and made it seem like our jobs were highly sought after, when the chipotle paid more. Minimum wage where I live is $7.25 but I think most people pay around $13+

I love the humanitarian lense! I wish more people realized how important it was to all of our collective mental health and sanity.

Interesting topic - very controversial too, looking at the comments. Your video really highlights that regardless of the culture, ethnicity, ideology, etc, it is always the vulnerable, 'lower class' being exploited by the powerful and rich. Doesn't matter how you dress it up (by politics, propaganda, racism, war), that is how it is at its core.

you knocked this video out of the park, cheyenne! reaffirming the fact that socialist countries are not a monolith is so important, especially when western countries are so focused on othering them as one in order to make their own way of life look superior. after visiting both the us and china recently as an english person, it makes me so frustrated to see the way americans portray china as being some scary communist country when in reality the nationalism in both countries is pretty on par. more often than not i felt more shocked learning about american customs, particularly religion and how fanatical followers of it can be. in comparison, chinese people are aware of their role in their country, but this doesnt mean their government completely prevents individualism.

what a fantastic video! i'd love to see your take on Japan utilizing its soft power to launder its reputation and cleanse public knowledge of their war crimes post-WW2, i feel like you could tackle the topic really well

This was a great video. I really appreciated your perspective and I learned a lot. I will definitely be checking out those documentaries. Thanks for your great work!

very interesting video! will look the documentaries up

Wonderful video. Not sure when I'll get around to watching the movies and docs but I'll definitely put it on the docket.

As a girl mom, it is very upsetting to hear how many baby girls were unalived during that time 😣

@eileenguy9478

4 ай бұрын

You can use the word dead in comment sections !

@daegredwinsterhand

4 ай бұрын

you can say killed I won’t tell your mom

@vladys5238

3 ай бұрын

this self censoring newspeak is honestly starting to get ridiculous... I hate this algorithm bullshit that ppl on youtube tiktok and instagram obey to make money as it make​s us distance ourselves from the realities of this.@@eileenguy9478

A very thoughtful and well put video! I learned a lot, and will be watching these documentaries when I can! Looking forward to diving into more of your videos!

your videos continue to amaze me. as a fellow east asian american, i relate so strongly to all of the themes you explore. the othering idea just hits so close. you're a fantastic creator, cannot wait for even more!

i learn so much watching this channel, cheyenne your hard work is very much appreicated

amazing video ! you explained a lot of heavy things in a digestible manner without it feeling cold or distanced in any way i think this is one of my favorite videos you've made to date

I appreciate how you consistently raise topics that are receiving less attention. Thanks as always ~

Thank you for this video. I enjoyed your thoughtful and nuanced way of discussing such a complex issue. As always when watching your videos, I learned something new about people I've never met.

I have a hypothesis that the reason for the discrepancy in perceptions about jobs between the Chinese and Americans, for why one sees working as abuse and one doesn't see it as so, is because how the culture in china covers up capitalism with "socialist" language so they are able to whitewash their abuse into something like "doing it for the cause/socialist cause" when in reality they suffer the same capitalist abuse. While Americans experience the ins and outs of capitalism and thus sees it as abuse.

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

its not the same at all. there are almost no homeless people there, and you are far less likely to get murdered with labor induced starvation, which if you arent born well off in america, is the near guaranteed cause of death 99% of the time. labor induced starvation is when you are forced to burn more calories than you put into your body, which causes your body to literally break down your muscle and bones to have enough energy to keep your organs from immediately failing. it takes only two years of being forced to work while starving to kill most humans. the chinese who had to work the hardest are still all mostly alive. that alone proves one culture is focused on murdering their working class while the other is focused on keeping them alive.

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

not being hyperbolic here - 99% of jobs in america pay less than 1/10 the cost of living. that means if you arent born well off, its absolutely impossible to ever meet the cost of just being alive in america. which means you are getting systematically murdered so that 100% of the wealth you generate will go back to europe where the ruling class believe it belongs.

@andromedamessier3176

3 ай бұрын

Well u ain’t wrong about that. It is also amazing how label change people brains

@nectarinn3

3 ай бұрын

I think the fact that Americans have seemingly had a more clear decline in the living standards of the middle class also plays a part in that. Less that Chinese people are blind to their abuse, because lets face it, Americans have covered up their own mistreatement as well for decades, but more that the latter is just so entrenched in free market capitalism for so long that there are less priviladged people willing to forgive the cracks in a system that provides less for them than it did their parents.

@andromedamessier3176

3 ай бұрын

@@nectarinn3 Americans have covered up as well yes. But as a person that used to lived in both, I would say China covered up are more effective especially in the age of social media. Every companies need to have gov people to oversee it. The companies success depends on the Chinese gov as well. It is like the private companies and Chinese gov are the same but yet different entities. You could see it in Chinese social media. They also hired a lot of army to sway public opinion too. They reported on major incidents that happened but the public will forget it fast. Ofc it is not like most Chinese don’t know they are suffering. It is just that unlike American, they can’t complain out loud so they started to get creative with their words and protest. But there are lot that think they are living in socialism tho, which is far from the truth.

this is an incredible video, i really enjoyed one child nation its a very interesting doc, im definitely going to be checking out these others as well

loved this !

lots of really well presented info that i hadnt really thought about. i had seen the american factory documentary but i will be watching more content mentioned in the description including the documentary mentioned in the comments about north korea. thank you!

The One Child Policy was implemented based on fears of overpopulation and subsequent mass famine. The policy is credited with preventing 400 million births and significantly contributing to the elimination of rural poverty in China. In fact, if you don't include China in poverty elimination statistics from the IMF, global poverty has remained basically the same for like 40 years. I'm not saying that there wasn't a horrible cost to make that progress, but the CPC viewed it as a necessity to drag China kicking and screaming into the modern era

@raven_g6667

4 ай бұрын

She says this exact thing in the video. Don't mean to be snarky, just letting you know.

@HughJass-jv2lt

4 ай бұрын

​@@raven_g6667 ❤❤

incredible comparison and essay, great to see Esat Asian person's view and perception of such topics 💓

Farewell my concubine was so heart wrenching! It was such an impactful movie for me. I was 15 when I watched it.

interesting! the third documentary didn’t really fit though-what does it have to do with children?

great video!!

Thank you!

Cheyenne, you are amazing! I'm a 67 y.o. woman, PhD (who grew up in San Lorenzo!). Your extensive fund of knowledge, and humanistic perspective make me hopeful. 🙏🏻♥️Deepest Gratitude♥️🙏🏻.

Thank you for this and make me realize that there's still more for me to learn

thank you for this !!!!!!

I find the bit between the american and Chinese supervisor so interesting. The dichotomy between american and Chinese proletarians when employed by capitalist wage labor is so interesting, especially when you consider the leadership philosophy. I feel like there's something to be said for china, a country that barely knew capitalism before the CPC achieved political prominence and attempted a conscious socio-economic development of their country, vs America, which was founded by capitalists, for capitalists, and marketed and branded as the dream of becoming a capitalist yourself. America having a much more organic and competitive environment where everyone around you is both a stepping stone to success and a possible obstacle, whereas in China there seems to be this idea that the people of the nation come together to build the country they want, led by CPC. Americans are so naturally antagonistic, we're incentivized to dehumanize each other, to want to fight, and when we aren't antagonizing each other it's notable, or treated like it's something special.

love this video as an Black American woman that has emigrated to China!

but we've never had communism on earth. i mean the people in star trek are the best example of communism and they have little in common with the "communism" we've had so far. precisely because we've never had real communism on earth. communism is actually quite great and the absolute form of democracy and human rights.

Kids can be happy as long as they have someone that loves them, some food and friends. Documentaries can always be faked in many ways. These aren't unique things to one country bc people are just people, we all work just about the same everywhere. What is different is the people at the top and their propaganda, that's the part that you should criticize, not the overall population who're just trying to live their lives.

Great video.

thank you for this video.

if you're actually interested in trying to understand mainland chinese perspectives whilst coming from a more western pov the two articles i try to recommend are why do chinese people like their government by kaiser kuo and beijing calling by stacey anderson. kaiser’s for more obvious reasons, but in staceys article two chinese bandmates get arrested for drug use. both of them believe that their punk association contributed to them being targeted, but winston, who was raised in the west and traveled to china with a work visa, has a very different reaction than liu. and i think these two in combination can contribute to a better idea of what kaiser kuo calls the value gap. then theres also a lot of misinformation that can be hard to combat, the most popular one of the being the black mirror esque social credit system, which i still see everywhere despite it being thoroughly debunked. this is becoming such a increasingly prevalent problem that it can affect actual activists working in china(see lausan collective campaigning from the outside reflections from two chinese activists)

@ShiningSta18486

23 күн бұрын

That entire part where you say that children under communism are just engines of labor or propaganda is completely bullshit im sorry. Maybe it's because of the narrative of the documentary, idk, but before the DPRK existed children literally starved to death in the streets and were enslaved by the Japanese. Also I think it's ironic that seeing and hearing people in North Korea talk positively and laugh and smile is treated with distrust but hearing people talk negatively about the "one child policy" with no substantiation is treated as objective fact. Also 1 child policy only applied to the Han majority

Good video love this

I actually used to watch A State of Mind quite a bit when I was younger.

This was so insightful! A great blend of the personal and political Workers of the world unite!

I remember back in secondary school (middle school age for Americans) I was always seated next to a very shy Chinese girl, for the first couple months I thought she was mute since she didn't speak, we were in a higher level education class so it had nothing to do with any obvious learning disabilities. I figured she may have been bullied a lot in primary school since her name was unusual and she was chubby like I was (and that definitely got me bullied), so I tried to not pressure her into having to speak. Then at some point while we were cycling to the swimming pool during a school trip she spoke up and asked me a question, if I had brothers/sisters.. I told her I had two brothers and asked her if she had any siblings, she had a younger brother she said. I asked if she liked her little brother and if she liked her parents/being at home. She told me she had no friends because after school she always had to help in her parent's restaurant and her little brother was annoying (which I'm sure any 12 year old with younger siblings could relate to), she seemed to be quite sad about her home life. I told her a bit more about my family and about my home life (which was definitely not great at the time), but to kind of cheer myself up I also told her I really liked my grandma. She was quiet, to break the silence I asked if she liked her grandma, and that's when she dropped a bomb, she told me her grandma was still back in China and that she had to visit her with her family but that she hated her grandmother because she'd killed girl children after birth. She told me those babies were buried in her grandparents yard. I didn't know what to say to something so heavy so I was quiet whilst processing this information, I then asked her why her grandmother did that, she then told me about China's one child policy and how families favored male children, she also told me that her parents left China because of the political climate at the time. That talk with my classmate made me realize that some people in other countries were facing hardships I couldn't even imagine, it was one of the things that helped me to be kind and patient with people that are different. I later through other classmates in different schools got more understanding of a lot of different cultural struggles kids and women face. I thought about the Chinese classmate's story a lot over the years and the way I think about the situation has shifted over time, back then I just thought it was horrible and agreed with her that her grandmother was a monster, later I started to realize that due to financial circumstances and pressure from Chinese law enforcement her grandmother may not have had much of a choice to make.

Great video ❤ How does one get a hold of you for sponsorships on your videos,email?

under-rated

Good video

I figured out something whenever I've travelled or met someone from somewhere else in the world and it's that people are people.

Excellent video. I was really excited to watch this and was bot at all disappointed. This world seriously needs more anarchist communism and less state capitalism--on both sides of the Pacific.

interesting topic that I never heard of.

I learned about the one child policy in science class at school

"People who looked like me were depicted as the communist threat" but later you realize how bad ass that is. 😁

I have found that Americans in general are great at complaining about working conditions. There is entitlement as you say and the last documentary suggests. But it is also unfortunately paired with laziness because they don't follow through and are not always pro union in order to get better workers rights and benefits as is common in many European nations. And I am American, I've seen it and worked sh*tty jobs and ones with benefits. I've always found it humorous that the military is the best showcase we have of socialism but many Americans don't want to think about it that way, speaking as a vet. Anything other than individualism baaaad. Thank you for a great study on these topics 🙂

There was so much goodness to take out of this video essay! You did a really good job and your voice was soothing, but I can not get over the Chinese supervisor being scared and confused at the audacity of the American talking about taping people's mouths. Really highlights a lot of core problems with our systems of domination and control.

I think the One Child Policy is a really good example of how China changed before and after the capitalist restoration in 1976. The Cultural Revolution, which ended with the restoration of capitalism in China, was all about getting rid of the corrupt bureaucrats that exploited and benefited the most from the OCP. Sex Ed and access to contraceptives was promoted heavily and the central government really became hands-off for a lot of personal matters. But once Deng Xiaoping ascended to power and the restoration of capitalism was complete, exploitive policies like the OCP were able to flourish in the absence of power being vested in the rural peasant communities like it was during the Cultural Revolution.

23:23 agreed.

Thank you for this video. This is good work, level headed, on point, offering fair reads and apt critiques of all 3 documentaries. Unfortunately I've never seen such a pathetic scene as people completely losing their minds in the comments over you not loyally regurgitating the simple, familiar, easy to digest classic American propaganda about China & North Korea. No less pathetic than the pol-sci bros who suddenly decided to debate a completely irrelevant point about whether which country is "actually communist" or what communism is. Or that one tankie who suddenly came out of the woodwork. Or "my father did 2 murder tours in this (country that isn't even the topic of the 3 docs, nor did it came up in the video at any point), so my opinion about this completely unrelated country suddenly matters here"... somehow. The way this video became a lighting rod for all the mutton heads just once again shows how wildly ignorant yet *confident* most Americans still are and about the world. I'm disappointed & disgusted... but not surprised.

Regarding the midwife, the one who said that it was nesesary and prophetic, i think she cant just asmit it or, like it would crush her. And oh god, besides the documenty in panying that is still opressive , but yeah, they are people, and people can always feel happy, why wouldnt that still be people. Like yeah, obviously the fear and brainwashing force some behaviour, but they still can have freiends love and feel happiness. Not that , its not, ... , but people. And any docu that shows people and something out of north korea is intersting. like the kliving under stasi opression is terrible , but why wouldnt that perople still not have emotions. That are lives. and stories if , not always pleasent, everyone has happy moments probably somewhere. And i mean no immigrated worker are at fault for bad conditions, hell chances are they have worse ones with less choice. So the "they took out jobs muh" is wrong here. Its a company not exploits that poor people and they have to get along, why hate them, hate the system and the boss.

@JC-jz3ry

4 ай бұрын

I definitely think you have a point when it comes to the midwife, but I think that's only part of it. I think in the US we have a habit of relying on oversimplification to make sense of other the opinions of people in other countries when they don't align with our morals. You're correct that "people are people" but not just in that we all have a a range of emotions but also in that we have range of experiences. Cheynne mentioned this, but the people in that documentary have seen China's development during the past 40 years, which has been undeniably impressive. The standard of living has increased for many people, and they have seen the benefits from this system. I don't say this to dismiss the hardship or the horrible pain of the one child policy. I just think it is important for us to examine all of the reasons for people's opinions, even if chalking it up to guilt or fear of oppression is easier for us to swallow.

if living through covid and learning chinese has taught me one thing it’s that people continue doing everyday stuff, regardless of the national circumstances. governments suck everywhere and people will continue working and having fun everywhere

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First of all, what does the third documentary have to do with children from socialist countries? Secondly, how are the two Chinese documentaries you name in any way showing a different view of China than western propaganda have? They're educational and all, that's fine, but I don't see them as "controversial" to the view that western people already have of China, in contrast to the North Korean documentary you name. Apart from them being completely lukewarm to the western liberal brain, the third one seems to me to be even walking towards the area of sinister propaganda. It first of all reinforces the "the children in Afr- China are ACTUALLY hungry, not you, western kid" ideology. Secondly, even framing it as something positive that the workers in the US are "SO" entitled, and the rest of the world's workers should be just as entitled... excusez moi, can I laugh in french for a second. Compared to the amount of wealth in the US, its citizens are incredibly un-entitled. It makes sense for Chinese people who see their country launching itself into space from a dirt poor start, to have faith in their work and to have respect for a company - no matter how strange that sounds to a western brain. The average American sees everything being stolen from them on a daily basis, while Chinese people see their country giving them more and more every day. To call the Americans more entitled only makes sense if you view the concept of entitlement strictly through an absolute lens rather than a relative one. Thirdly, it enhances the ideology of "if only the people in those third world countries were more entitled and had better laws, then our companies didn't have to go there to profit off of child labor", completely flipping reality on its head. Lastly, only hearing the voices of foreign people who left their country can function as a self-reinforcing feedback loop for the pre-conceived notion that the west is the best, and the rest needs to keep up. All in all, I'm not surprised that Barack "Africans should stop complaining about colonialism" Obama was behind this. To top it off, at the start you frame the fact that the west focuses on all the worst parts of foreign countries' histories as bad because people like you were being discriminated for it in the west. Sorry, coming from a foreigner in a western country who has received a considerable amount of shit for how my father's home country was portrayed in the news, the propaganda is bad primarily because the west uses it to justify exploiting, torturing and killing people in those countries, not because my high school peers were assholes to me.

@ShiningSta18486

23 күн бұрын

Preach!!!!

There was one documentary about North Korea back in 2017 where two Australian guys went there to get a haircut to debunk the claim of the crazy notion that men were forced to have Kim Jong Un's hairstyle. They talked about how Western media say crazy stuff about North Korea without any solid evidence of the claims being true. Their conclusion is that while it is true that North Korea is a country that suffers from many issues, most of the claims about the country were based on lies. P.S: The documentary was called "We Went to North Korea to Get a Haircut".

This video is so strange to me. I am only a 1/3 of the way through, stuck on the DPRK topic. Your video about the US school system and raising children under capitalism was nuanced and relateable, I think because you have experience both being a child and raising children under such a system. But to follow up with a video about "children under communism" based purely on one documentary (I'm speaking of the DPRK bit) and thusly draw the conclusion that children in DPRK are treated similarly to children in capitalist america because "they're only useful if they work" is extremely shortsighted...(edit to elaborate now that I have the time :)) It is shortsighted because it does not take the very different socio-economical and historical context/conditions of these countries into account. The DPRK is a country that has spent the last 50 years recovering from being torn apart by an imperial war. They have developed beyond their pre and post war conditons while opperating on a socialist planned economy in spite of the sanctions and other tractics of sabotage used against them by capitalist powers. There are generations still living in the DPRK that remember the war, the destruction, the famines. Having achieved a level of developement secure enough to be able to support having children go to school and be bodily strong enough to participate in sports is a monumental achievement in of itself. On the other hand you have capitalist imperialist countries like the US, UK and so called "social democrat" scandinavian/european countries who have been gaining their wealth by exploiting people/workers around the world for generations. Yet our capitalist system is crumbling around us. Whatever social contraditions the DPRK may have is for them to work out. If one is going to compare these countries, I think one should take more context and background into account.

@saturationstation1446

4 ай бұрын

elaborate. dont just say something is short sited and not explain why you think so and whats wrong with whatever. makes your comment have the same amount of value as someone spamming emojis. give us some substance behind that criticism please

@maria-wu7us

4 ай бұрын

I agree with this comment a bit though. She even states that we can't really trust the documentary since it is examined by NK state censors. So why even use it to compare and contrast with U.S. kids, let alone draw any conclusions from it? I am surprised by all the praise and lack of pushback for this video. I definitely have to watch it a few times to put into words why exactly it's not sitting right with me.

@Vanbedda

4 ай бұрын

@@saturationstation1446 I have now updated the comment, thanks for asking for an elaboration.

@KookiesNolly

4 ай бұрын

Yeah the lack of contextualization is also bothersome when she discusses the differences between american and chinese workers. In the last 50 years, the living standards in China have significantly increased whereas they have clearly decreased in the US. You used to support a whole family off the salary of one man who didn't even go to college some 40 years ago in the US. Now a couple of college graduates struggle to pay rent and can't offered to have kids cause they're both working 2 jobs and still skipping meals. I think that's where most of the american cynism and entitlement comes from. They use to get more from their work, so they don't want to see more being chipped away. Whereas chinese workers are not used to getting what american workers used to have. From their perspective, they worked hard and society changed for the better, so of course they'll see working hard as a virtue (even if the correlation isn't directly a sign of direct cause and effect). American workers are damn near working harder these days but getting less, of course they see the bosses as nothing more than greedy assholes fucking them over, cause they've BEEN fucked over demonstrably. It's not just random cultural differences that came out of nowhere. They are a direct result of the economic changes in both countries.

@aturchomicz821

3 ай бұрын

@@KookiesNolly "so of course they'll see working hard as a virtue (even if the correlation isn't directly a sign of direct cause and effect)" And those Chinese construction workers who jumped of the bridge they built to protest for better worker conditions dont exist as well hm?🤡🤡 The Working Class is restless and fighting for a better world for everyone, but you Red Fascists just cant deal with that huh?

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I was really hopeful for this video until we got to her saying North Korea is a totalitarian dictatorship, shouldn't expect more

@ShiningSta18486

23 күн бұрын

SAME LOL

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You seem a little happier. 🌈

I clicked on this at first because I loved Julie and Ivy as American girl dolls and only just found out they discontinued her and have never again had any dolls of Asian descent in the historical line since! :(

need a DNA database for interested adoptees to cross-reference with interested families who had a child taken

That makes me sad we are all unanimously erasing childhood

I'm South Asian and was compared to terrorists by the other boys at Scouts.

@JC-jz3ry

4 ай бұрын

that sucks i'm sorry they put you through that

@HughJass-jv2lt

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 And then they have the nerve to call themselves " the good guys". Gotta LAUGH.. or else you'll cry. Nonetheless, here's a heartfelt HUG for you! ❤❤

30:16 the comment about workers laying down the tracks so the train runs smoothly… idk it’s just very true? Here in the US we don’t value all our workers. Idek how much we value ANY of them. We look down on so many workers in so many industries but the ones we look down upon are some of our most essential and important workers.

Yo imagine being shamed for not wanting to have children with the men whose lives were valued above your recent ancestors… that’s tough

Thank you for this, North Korea is good. What country does not have people that are materially privileged in their capitals and vice versa in poorer areas. It's a massive challenge to be a self defined country in South east Asia when throughout history having to fight against colonialism or the neo-colonialist tourism industry and destructive capitalist influence. Needing to preserve itself considering the sanctions and economic difficulties of being an isolated country with the west looming over it obviously has had uncomfortable consequences for the quality of life of it's people. We need to just let a country live without feeling America and the west should 'influence' them. Same with China, it's seen huge economic growth due to it's socialist policies which according to the west 'dont work'. Nice to hear a slightly more thought out perspective.

@RajyMcgee

4 ай бұрын

China is seeing the positive consequences of the one child policy now. They do not make these decisions willy nilly. These people are smart, they know that with such a huge birth rate it will come back to hurt them in the future if it is not controlled. Now across the world we are seeing the difficulties caused by a huge rise in elderly population that need to be supported by a young population that is proportionally diminishing compared to what it was before. This would be far more of a problem in china now if it had not been for these policies. Without these policies there would have had dire consequences for the average persons standard and quality of life today. Regarding workers unions China definitely has room for improvement as do many countries across the world.

China and NK are not communist.

17:12 and now they are begging the people to have kids 😂

@middleagebrotips3454

4 ай бұрын

And people aren't having kids no matter what. But now rich people can have multiple partners and their children are recognized in the Chinese hukou system now, good for them

In defense of China they were already having mass famines so they chose extreme actions out of fear of future famines that would be even worse. But the system was always corrupt. And yesh we aren't reall too different.

@user-ez8le1rp3x

6 күн бұрын

Should they be like Russia, they would already collapse. Russia has ten times cops of China, yet they're 10 times less effective than China.

Ursula took the mermaid's voice and legs, and Ursula von der Leynen think have no voice and no legs, and talks about freedom on our behalf.

I had to pause halfway through... It was just too much. Especially because i KNOW that you were adopted from China. Then you spoke directly to it. Don't you DARE have survivors guilt. The world is a sh!tty place... and you were dealt a Sh!tty hand. You don't OWE anybody, anything. Just do your best to take care of yourself & those you love ❤❤

Looking at the content on this channel I can't quite tell whether this Creator is a socialist or not lol. Anyone know?

My dad served two tours of duty in Vietnam from 66 through 68 in combat. And I remember him telling me that the average Vietnamese peasant did not know the difference between communism and capitalism they had not read Karl Marx's Manifesto or anything from Thomas Paine. They just wanted to keep doing the same thing they had been doing for millennia.

@martinrios4748

4 ай бұрын

Ur dad has balls to give his opinión on the people he genocided.

@grapeshot

4 ай бұрын

@@martinrios4748 from what I've seen the Vietnamese people are still here. Although the so-called chosen people are still doing their G word on live TV.

@user-pc3we6gf6j

4 ай бұрын

Your dad might not be the most reliable source there, given how as an American soldier, he was sent to help the fascist South Vietnamese puppet regime hunt communists down; unless he had been taken prisoner and sent to North Vietnam, there is no way the guy could have spoken to an open communist during his tour. Seriously, man, this is as if your dad had served in the SS in Nazi-occupied Poland and told you that he had not encountered any practicing Jews. Ridiculous... The truth is, prior to the 60s, the likes of Ho Chi Minh had spent decades educating the masses and helping them organise and there is a lot more to communism than Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto and Thomas Paine (?).

@grapeshot

4 ай бұрын

@user-pc3we6gf6j my dad did his duty, but your kind will say things like black people are not patriotic and un-American, but at the same time waving Confederate flags

@grapeshot

4 ай бұрын

@@user-pc3we6gf6j seriously dude you are talking straight up BS I'm talking about Vietnam and you are talking about the SS. Stay focused dummy

i started to learn chinese as a protest of our hegemonial eurocentricism.

Now for children under anarchy

The desire to defend your nations honor and feeling personally attacked when your country faces criticism is a universal thing, but criticism of a government and the people supporting it is not racist. And it is important to acknowledge that being called names in school is not the same like the systematic torture, forced sterilization, rape and killing that communities are facing because of their ethnicity

I don’t think China is a true communist country. They have communist aspects but they also have capitalist aspects. Most countries have mixed economies like this. No country has ever been truly communist how Marx described it(no I’m not a Marxist or communist I just know what communism is).

@endcaps1917

4 ай бұрын

Yeah no country has ever reached full communism like marx described many have reached socialism the transitionary stage to communism weather or not china is socialist depends on who you asked even among us communist contrary to popular belief we are not a hivemind were too divided for our own good if you would put all subsections of Marxism just Marxism no anarchism no non Marxist socialism you'd get a straight up color wheel like one which smooth transitions between colors

@Somebodyherefornow

4 ай бұрын

china is state capitalist, maybe it *was* socialist for a little bit, but no

@zetjet9901

4 ай бұрын

Yes, Cheyanne Lin also points this out in this video.

@juehju

4 ай бұрын

Kinda Correct but Context is Needed; China is a *State Capitalist Nation* HOWEVER the CPP is simply using it to move closer and closer to *Socialism, Not Communism.* For Extra Context: Just think of Communism as *Anarchist Socialism,* because it pretty much is. The CPP actually announced that they are Eliminating Capitalism and moving closer to Socialism while also stating that by 2050, *They Would be Fully 100% Socialist,* or at least more closer to it / more of it rather than Capitalism.

@mjgould1192

4 ай бұрын

@@zetjet9901 so if it’s not true communism why are we calling it communism? It’s straight up not. They have a mixed economy. That’s my point. We shouldn’t call this communism because when I think of communism I think about it as Marx described it. A classless moneyless society where the state controls the means of production.

Hey Lin sometimes I feel that you have to see who’s causing the distance between rather than people choosing for themselves who they like or what they resonate with more. I love me some Asian.

I'm an anarcho-communist.

@Numbers-gStands

4 ай бұрын

Cool I’m anarchotranshumanist personally. Though on the topic of anarcho-communism I’ve always felt like the term specifically was a double positive in the sense that they are pretty much the same thing or general idea both being about the total removal of class and state. Could be wrong though. 🤷 If I had to guess the differential comes from the moneyless part of the equation because some anarchist societies might still have some sort of currency? Not sure. 🤔

@pushon10

4 ай бұрын

@@Numbers-gStands correct

@Numbers-gStands

4 ай бұрын

@@pushon10 Thank you for helping me get the difference. 👍

May Taiwan prosper as a free and independent land!🇹🇼

Adv China is good

I just feel as if, and hear me out here, communism in practice differs from theoretical communism. It's almost as if it's its own beast, and we as Americans spend so much time demonizing the concepts that we don't take the time to analyze the differentiating factors. Which, could only work to make it more difficult for us to understand the relativism surrounding their culture.

@Zhicano

4 ай бұрын

Yup. This idea isn't new. Socialism historically forms around the material and social conditions of a particular society. It won't look the same everywhere you go but the goals are all the same.

@aturchomicz821

3 ай бұрын

@@Zhicano Tankie🤡🤡

@aturchomicz821

3 ай бұрын

Marxist Leninism will never be Leftist🤡🤡