This one with Greg was simple and very direct. Clear questions, clear comments, and simple reflexions. No time loss.

Coach for 9 years here. Just adapted this style a week ago, and it’s been eye opening. I’ve always had a feeling like “something is missing here” while noting many flaws of the traditional class structure. I looked into understanding short term memory and working memory, and it only supported the ecological dynamics approach. There’s also way less wasted time as people aren’t standing around waiting to attempt replicating what the instructor is (usually) taking up to ten minutes (or more) of the class available training time. We start class now and get right to it. Using almost the entire hour constantly goal oriented and live training. It’s worth reflecting and taking a deeper look into at the very least hybridizing the eco approach. I also find it more demanding of the coach. You really must understand the game you’re playing, and you will make more discoveries as you go. My school has 4 coaches including myself, and I will be switching to 95 percent eco approach, which in turn will benefit the other coaches as I am helping to create good grapplers which will supplement their prescriptive approach (until they jump on board and employ this approach) Anyways, this is growth, and martial arts is all about adaptation to solve problems.

Every time I hear Greg on a podcast I understand more and more. I recently opened a new gym and we have only used Ecological Dynamics. It has been amazing watching my students grow so quickly.

@gladiusbjj

6 ай бұрын

Bro exactly the same at my gym, got begginers doing berimbolos outta nowhere it's wild

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

Ditto

@BjorsN

6 ай бұрын

How do you structure your classes and what resources do you recommend?

@vystopian8492

6 ай бұрын

I would give anything for an Ecological BJJ gym anywhere near me. I've talked to all of the local gyms about it but they totes blew me off.

@shawnfritz6259

6 ай бұрын

​@@vystopian8492Where are you?

Ive gotten really deep into this and I am with Greg. Technique is like a road map, but BJJ is a world with now roads. We do not remember technique in a fluid state, and so we do not execute technique in a fluid state. To pass the guard in a fluid state you have to abandon technique. So we would call this "chaining passes" but the reality is all we are doing when passing guard is developing better pummeling with the legs.

Lets get a supercut with just Chewy's facial expressions hyperzoomed throughout

Greg is killing it recently!

Great episode!

Great episode Chewy! I have seen a lot of podcasts and discussions with Greg and you were incredibly thoughtful in your responses and challenges to his claims or beliefs. We all get tribal about our methods and ideas but you did a great job of challenging for the purposes of learning rather than proving yourself correct. I have been primarily using ecological training for the last few months and many of the idea are hard to fully grasps unless you jump into it. That being said, get ready for a shitstorm in the comments between guys who aren’t willing to look into the methods or science behind ecological training and Greg’s aggressive cult following.

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

My cult goes hard

@ryanthompson3446

5 ай бұрын

As opposed the the drilling cult of mainstream jiu jitsu?

@KodiakCombat

5 ай бұрын

​@@ryanthompson3446are you the same guy that Grappling With just called out in a recent podcast? I was literally just listening to that. Apparently a Ryan Thompson commented on a video of theirs saying drilling is garbage. Too cool if that was you. Wild coincidence.

@ryanthompson3446

5 ай бұрын

@@KodiakCombat lol if they did i dunno about it but cool it is garbage its a huge time investment better spent watching live film doing live positional constraint practice or just straight up rolling.

great pod. I feel like a hybrid of both is the way

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

Maybe you can help us out then. How can information be both direct and indirect?

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately they are diametrically opposed views. It’s oil and water. Ecology is a world view that is emerging based on evidence. We can debate methodology for implementing perhaps, however the scientific community is clearly reaching a consensus on that as well. The debate is about how to best apply the science to the real world. You can train however you want, but there is a clear advantage to the speed at which someone can acquire skill using CLA and differential learning.

@ryanthompson3446

5 ай бұрын

Feelings are great and all but facts don’t really care…

@KodiakCombat

5 ай бұрын

​@@ryanthompson3446didn't realize Ben Shapiro did BJJ!

@ryanthompson3446

5 ай бұрын

@@KodiakCombat lol good one. I don’t sell sheets and whine but close 😅

I think what Souders is trying to explain is basically what skateboarders or freestyle BMX or other X games athletes do. There are no coaches for these sports. They "play" together and continually experiment with new things and pushing and pushing these things until they become more intricate. Take freestyle motocross... first they were whipping the motorcycle around off the jumps. Then they started doing a back flip, then a double back flip, and now they are doing front flips...on a motorcycle!!! No one taught this...they had to explore and experiment and continually fail until they succeeded.

@natwilliams4076

Ай бұрын

Im a 50yo purple belt who used to skate back in the late 89s early 90s. Started 6yrs ago and fell in love because it reminded me of learning skate tricks. I think your bang on!

This podcast reminds me of the time I tried to explain the internet to my grandparents.

I like Greg's approach to teaching. Examples are great and helps me understand his approach. More Examples of implementing "Concepts" like he gave for Guard Pass would be great.

Thank God for Greg Souders, and of course Kit Dale!

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

God gave you guys Kit. I was handed up by satan 😈🤓

@TheMartialWay

6 ай бұрын

@@gregsouders9648 🤣🤣🤣

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

@@gregsouders9648 hail Satan 🤘😈

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

And our lord and savior Kit Dale 🙏

Good stuff Greg! Keep it going man. Really enjoying these podcasts 🤙🏼

John could say word for word what greg says and the wholl bjj community would go crazy for it but being greg is saying it. It's argued against.

@doriangongar1859

6 ай бұрын

It’s going to be argued against until his team produces an adcc caliber medalist. Which will happen in time.

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

Greg is polarizing. It won’t matter if he has several adds medalists. People will still argue against him for decades because he represents change and is challenging the status quo.

@nerdSlayerstudioss

6 ай бұрын

Highly doubtful, change has largely been supported in the BJJ community. It's one of the youngest sports and combat sports after all, it's not like a pedagogy has even had time to exist yet properly...and if you want to base it off that, there are no ecological based champions. This wouldn't matter if Greg and his savants weren't 0 sum. @@aaronlynde9146

Kit Dale an Australian black belt has an instructional called task based games that sounds like this exactly.

Rickson Gracie once said that constant open free rolling is toxic. Jiujiteiros must have a surgery approach where you isolate one section of any free rolling, and rep from there, reset, rinse/repeat.

@techniquejiujitsu8832

6 ай бұрын

That is not what is being advocated either by Greg or in your example.

@dfjr6525

6 ай бұрын

Rickson transcends the science with the sheer power of his chi

@padshardbank

Ай бұрын

He also said he was 400-0

@DrHarbirSingh

Ай бұрын

You need to read Robert Drysdales books

This is so exhausting

I'm sure there is a better place to ask a question like this. However, around the 50 minute mark, Chewy talked about having a drill from the mount where the bottom person only defends and doesn't try to escape and Greg said that was not representative. However, I have seen Greg on Instagram show a drill where a top mount player tries to trap wrists to the mat while the bottom player tries to put their hands on the hips. So, in Greg's game would the bottom player still be allowed to bridge and roll or recover guard? I'm not trying to criticize Chewy or Greg, I'm just trying to better understand how we measure representation. The biggest issue I have with using the constraints led approach is keeping the games representative while keeping the variables low.

@ryanthompson3446

5 ай бұрын

No that is a parameter of the bigger picture its isolating the full game of mount escape, so there the skill is just getting hands back to hips and handfighting, the ultimate goal would still be to get out but not in that game. Do you see the point within that context it is representative.

You can 100% measure your heart rate with a monitor during your rolls

I appreciate the patience of you guys dealing with the subject matter, and Greg. But something I thought worth asking him was what his sporting background was in other sports, collegiate etc. I know he doesn't have much of one, otherwise he wouldn't talk about collegiate sports in a way that ignores what actually happens in them (not practicing the full sport for example, or needing to perform in practice). Not trying to pull anyone's card, but I think that context is very important in this discussion. Because most of what Greg is saying, to be blunt, is not how collegiate practices (in Football or Wrestling in my experience) are carried out. That's fine, but Greg should probably learn there's other ways to do things than his way he just learned and started applying to a new sport that are massively successful and can't be handwaved as "well if they joined the darkside they would be better". For example, focus on how much Greg focuses on making drilling synonymous with being dead and not live...meanwhile acknowledges wrestling practice doesn't work that way...but mate, they still drill lol. Which basically invalidates this whole idea, unless you want to admit "constraints based learning" involves drilling and not just "games". Why even make that a point of contention? Feels scapegoat-like. Don't believe me though, ask someone else with collegiate sports experience and they won't ever give you a super one-note perspective like Greg is doing here.

@ryanthompson3446

6 ай бұрын

Greg did jiu jitsu the way most do it all the way past black belt and it led him here so what do you mean he should learn…. Is it possible you are wrong?

@BaldyMcNosehair

6 ай бұрын

Constraints and games are harmonious not synonymous. No admission required. Researchers have dedicated entire papers to clarify the difference between constraints and games. Games just happen to be the most natural implementation of constraints manipulation.

@wisebijou3633

6 ай бұрын

I just asked someone with collegiate sports experience and they gave a perspective like Greg

@dfjr6525

6 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YmeC0NazaMeeopM.htmlsi=myPcwwanH5DNeG99 Is this the authority you were appealing to?

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

This comment makes me think you might have completely missed the point 🤷🏻‍♂️😅

I feel... I think... I like... worked for me.

Some of these comments are hilarious. We’ve implemented the constraint led approach to coaching from the perspective of ecological dynamics and the results have been incredible. It takes more effort and forethought as a coach and I have to study and learn and adapt. However, there’s been a clear advantage to this approach in our room in just a matter of months. The uneducated comments here are comical 😂

@dfjr6525

6 ай бұрын

Chewy's audience is extremely regarded

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

@@dfjr6525 extremely regarded? 😂

@padshardbank

6 ай бұрын

​@@aaronlynde9146never go full regard

@nerdSlayerstudioss

6 ай бұрын

Dude can't even make the insult he was trying to make, while insulting other people rofl@@dfjr6525

@KodiakCombat

5 ай бұрын

​@@aaronlynde9146perhaps he means acoustic? What's your gym. Trying to create some relationships with people of a similar mind.

Another banger by g-man

As a former tennis player who now does BJJ he’s right most tennis coaches do task based games. The issue is 99% of them have no damn idea why they are doing it or how to program progression. This is the downfall IMO of this type of learning.

I see Greg, I click..

@logman5357

3 ай бұрын

Always 👍

Is there an ecologically sound approach to getting my coach to notice me?

@dopeboyvid8988

6 ай бұрын

Lmao

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

Show up without clothes on

@padshardbank

Ай бұрын

Be an early 20s female

I still rather drill something statically the first time I see it and then I can start doing situational sparring. Usually 10 minutes is enough to get the mechanics and then I can play the game around the position or goal I have.

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

What if you just added some resistance right from the start? Limit their options on how to resist so you don’t fail 100% of your attempts but could that perhaps be a better approach?

@selfcritical

6 ай бұрын

You just invented the SBG training process@@aaronlynde9146

Props to Luke! He lost lots of weight.

“The Life-Changing Science of Detecting Bullshlt” by John V. Petrocelli. Please read.

btw i love Greg

Needs to explain better what he does . How he explains i think turn people off

Im sure Greg's teaching methods at Standard Jiu Jitsu is solid. He's an intelligent instructor. But in a couple years when every nogi-only school with a purple belt head instructor is teaching strictly ecologically it'll all devolve into an amateurish shit-show.

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

The entire community is already taught by an army of purple belts; they just hide it by wearing black belts.

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

PS our community is already an amateur shit show

@KodiakCombat

5 ай бұрын

Belts mean nothing in regards to quality coaching. I'll put my expertise in coaching against 99% of black belt academy instructors. Coaching is a skill in itself. It is very seldom taught.

When John Danaher came up haha. Cope.

@like2ROLL

6 ай бұрын

The cope is not realizing sometimes people are successful in spite of what they are doing rather than because of it.

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

I’ve spoken to Danaher on multiple occasions. He’s congratulated me on what I’m doing. I clearly understand why Danaher is successful, even though he uses different training methods. The fact the you considered my explanation of his success as “coping” says more about your capacity for comprehension than anything else. It’s your ignorance that makes you confident.

@nerdSlayerstudioss

6 ай бұрын

No it was coping, because you non-ironically said he would be proven wrong some day. So you have a lot of bark, but no bite when pushed on your ideals or things you say. Pretty disappointing for the leader of a so called movement.@@gregsouders9648

We don’t play a resistance game. Our game is about surrender, achieving non-resistance, getting a tap. We learn what that feels like first then control for the many points of pressure that come in to disrupt that. He’s not smart enough to know how narrow his view is. He has a hammer and everything is a nail.

@dfjr6525

6 ай бұрын

This! How are people resistant to the fact that the game is about non-resistance through a process of controlling an opponent against their will?! KEEP HAMMERING

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

How is bjj not a game of resistance. Both players have the goal of breaking through resistance until one side concedes 🤷🏻‍♂️ also, what does that have to do with the methodology of constraint led approach?

@gregsouders9648

6 ай бұрын

@@aaronlynde9146nothing. Everyone just ignores people like them. They’re here for the attention.

@aaronlynde9146

6 ай бұрын

@@gregsouders9648 big facts 💯

@dfjr6525

6 ай бұрын

@@gregsouders9648whoosh fellas same team

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂A democrat and a republican 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Imagine this guy's approach to teaching math 😂😂😂. No instruction, just "Do It" and learn on your own 😂😂😂. He forgot to mention he had ten years bjj experience before he coined this 'intuitive' method.

@SpiralBJJ

5 ай бұрын

Greg didn’t invent this approach. He’s one of the first coaches to apply Ecological Dynamics (Ecological Psychology, Constraints-Led Approach, Dynamic Systems Theory, etc) to BJJ. It’s a legitimate field of research being applied to motor-learning, Rob Gray’s books and lectures are worth looking into.

@tylerhutto9862

Ай бұрын

@@SpiralBJJ it’s like lil bro listened for 30 seconds, formed his opinion, left a comment and closed the video.

I’ve heard this guy explaining his system many times and it still doesn’t make sense. He speaks in a circle which doesn’t explain anything exactly. 😵‍💫headache listening to him

@ryanthompson3446

6 ай бұрын

It makes perfect sense there is a whole scientific field around ecological science, maybe you’re just not understanding, is that possible?

@remyhester8991

6 ай бұрын

It sounds like he speaks in circles because the ecological approach assumes that things are grey rather than black and white. There are no buttoned up and clear answers because things are always changing in a dynamic environment. This conversation focused on a relatively small portion of the ecological approach so Greg wasn’t able to get into many of the other benefits that arise such as injury prevention and a natural increase in action capacity. If you are actually interested in this method but Greg doesn’t seem to make sense, try listening to Rob Gray’s channel or reading his book “How We Learn to Move”.

@sirpibble

6 ай бұрын

​@@ryanthompson3446 He is the one making the claim that this is the better approach, it is up to him to articulately explain why and come with evidence

@cristianmagana6747

6 ай бұрын

Situational sparring> drilling. I feel like this is the simplest way of explaining what he’s saying

@juansergioflores9118

6 ай бұрын

Reading is a good thing…