Check out the E-Flite A10 Thunderbolt II here: bit.ly/3gWllbG Check out the UMX A-10 here: bit.ly/3BsuORv Which A-10 Thunderbolt Warbird is Better? The $180 RC Jet VS $400 RC Jet. In this video we compare these two RC warbirds, both beautiful A-10 Thunderbolts and let you know which one we like the best and which on would be best for you to buy! Disclosure: This description box contains affiliate links. Check out the E-Flite A10 here: bit.ly/3gWllbG Transmitter: bit.ly/355t2tg Battery: bit.ly/3LBKypX Charger: bit.ly/3BsM7BU Lipo Alarm: bit.ly/3uY3U2p Smart Battery Checker: bit.ly/3GYbZXi Check out the UMX A10 plane here: bit.ly/3BsuORv 3s Battery (exact one Nate flew on): bit.ly/3sOPjnn Cheaper 3s battery: bit.ly/3rUhgei Cheap 2s Battery (more tame flying): bit.ly/3LHWeri IC2 to JST Battery converter (for cheap batteries above): bit.ly/3JAgclU Charger: bit.ly/3Btsg5v Transmitter (Abby used NX6 in this vid): bit.ly/3LGnvdA The products in this video are rated for ages 14+. Support TheRcSaylors Patreon & Stickers | www.patreon.com/TheRcSaylors Merch | thercsaylors.com/shop-2/ Mail | 1140 Carter Ave, P.O. Box 361, Ashland, Kentucky 41101 Social Media Website: www.thercsaylors.com TheRcSaylors Shorts | bit.ly/3rN37xp Facebook | facebook.com/thercsaylors Instagram | instagram.com/thercsaylors Twitter | twitter.com/thercsaylors Vlog and Live Channel | kzread.info SPECIAL THANKS TO OUR PATREON FAMILY!! Chuck R, David Chenzoff, Don Burwell, Doug Dahlheimer, Eddy Sinclair, Gary Zion, Haar Bear, Jake Barnes, Jamey Crowl, Jason day, Jeff Buys, Jesper Larsen, john love, john salt, Jose Valentin, Kent Barnes, Matt Reetz, Mike Gaffney, Raymond Hausele, RC HOOLIGANS, Richard Higginson, Robert Hipp, Ron Erickson, Ryan Alexander, Terry Kellogg, That Guy With The Birds!, Bill Conradi, Brian Buckstiegel, Brian wehrley, and Chris Hamlett #rcjet #warbird #rc

@Axoys_Aviation

Жыл бұрын

How fast doses the tan one go

@user-rk7ku4vd7e

9 ай бұрын

Hi am 12 and I always wanted a RC plane I don't know what to start out with because Christmas is close and an looking forward to getting an RC plane please help me find one

I am new to the hobby. Started 70+ years ago flying U-control gas planes that I built. The new now planes are super. Thanks for the warm up demo's. Can't wait to get my own "wart hog".

@user-rj3rl9xl7j

10 ай бұрын

70 years ago and your new?

@user-tu4rk5dt4q

6 ай бұрын

@@user-rj3rl9xl7j did you rlly believe him lol

@Zytrozyz

2 ай бұрын

​@@user-tu4rk5dt4qIts true

Had an A-10 Strafe in Afghanistan when I was in the army. What a cool day that was. They blew up dirt hut that we were taking sniper fire from. BRRRRRRT boom cya next life bois

@businessraptor134

8 ай бұрын

Thank you for fighting for us man! Hope you are doing good!

@AmazonArrow1570

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, I love veterans and you guys are my heroes

@darneshamckenzie748

7 ай бұрын

😅😅

@sujaytandra943

7 ай бұрын

Wow

@Rishik79832

2 ай бұрын

Gau 8 go brrrrrrrtttttt

U two are truly a great help to this hobby,your passion is obvious. Another great video

Well considering they just discontinued the 64mm A-10 the choice is now way easier

@REDWOLF_RC_ARMORY

2 жыл бұрын

Really suck’s that they discontinued it

@redwingsfan3621

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not saying you’re wrong but I own one and just now ordered another. Maybe look a little harder ha. But thanks for saying that because I want a backup after thinking that might be the case.

@starexcelsior

2 жыл бұрын

@@redwingsfan3621 Apparently they took it off the market for like 2 weeks and have now put up a revamped version with reverse thrust for a much higher price (almost 450 USD). Since I only have a dx6 I'm actually glad I got the earlier version now. But honestly the main draw of e flite is the as3x and since that single handedly almost destroyed my A-10 I can comfortably say just get the PNP version or the freewing A-10 at nearly half the price for almost the same thing

@redwingsfan3621

2 жыл бұрын

@@starexcelsior Nice! Enjoy. I do like the pnp warthog a lot.

I’d like to see you guys do full speed passes side by side to show the speed difference.

@Hockeyboycracked

Ай бұрын

Yeah that would be sick

Just ordered the Eachine P51 today. Beginner proud to have their first plane be a warbird

The smaller ones always good for beginners.. But beginners should fly it in half throttle... So it'll not go too fast and you can control it steadily

I have both and they're both a blast to fly. The little one usually goes with me no matter where I fly

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Very cool Punk! Happy Flying 👍😁😎⚓️

@williamhood8640

2 жыл бұрын

Why did you call him punk

@punkrawk89

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamhood8640 PunkRawk is my name and flying is my game 😉👍👍🤘

@williamhood8640

2 жыл бұрын

@@punkrawk89 cool

@Hughejazshole

Жыл бұрын

I have the Umx a10 and trying to decide between the 64mm a10, eflight 70mm f16 or something else. Any help?

Hi, I'm Brazilian, congratulations on the video.. I loved the 2 jets... But I really wanted to be able to buy the E-Flite A10 Thunderbolt II one day... hugs.

RCSaylors your a God send to this hobby, every video is informative, classy well presented Thank You for all.

Prolly gonna buy this around Christmas. Thanks for giving me the idea to fly at a football field really helped me with 3d flying my homemade plane

Hey guys I just want to say that you are my favourite youtubers and have really brought me into the hobby so thank you

I absolutely love my umx a10, it has an insane amount of power for its size (on 3s)

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! Thanks for watching ⚓️

@trainsplanesandautomobiles2547

2 жыл бұрын

I have 2 Questions, Is if durable, like for rough landings or grass landings, and Is it SPEED. ps. Is it FPV compatible, that would be awesome

@matthewmoyer3105

2 жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanesandautomobiles2547 I don’t have the answers but I agree FPV would be sick

@secretagb

2 жыл бұрын

@@trainsplanesandautomobiles2547 Almost everything is FPV compatible if you're creative enough! But yeah, I bought a second canopy hatch, pulled the clear plastic of and installed a Foxeer Pico Razer in pilot seat with RunCam TX200U 25-200mW VTX. Such a light weight, under 6g, and nice combo.

@secretagb

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmoyer3105 Do it.. ~$30 for Foxeer Pico Razer in pilot seat with RunCam TX200U 25-200mW VTX.

What a great job filming the planes in the air!

Excellent Video Guys & Very Impressive flying skills young man 👌🏼👍🏼 Happy New Year

LOVE that SOUND of A-10 Thundrbolt!! GREAT job Saylors and thanks!! 💟👍😘

I have both Brrrts. I mean A10’s and love them both. The umx is amazing due to the size and capability. The 64mm has so much power and fast just wish I had longer flight time.

@Doggy-B

2 жыл бұрын

Not a noob, but I clearly have a poor understanding of batteries... if the the larger plane suffers from short flight times, cant a higher capacity battery be used to extend it? The plane seems capable of hefting a bit more weight.

@duonesmith

2 жыл бұрын

@@Doggy-B the 64mm has two powerful edf motors that suck the battery dry no matter how big the battery is. 3-4 minutes is all you gonna get.

@oldscratch3540

2 жыл бұрын

The big one is too darn fast for me even on the simulator. I love/hate jets. Battery suckers.

@duonesmith

2 жыл бұрын

The only problem with the 64mm is that the nose gear is super weak and will break easily.

@Doggy-B

2 жыл бұрын

Seems that new little BAE Hawk may be the new inbetweener

My only concern with the smaller one is the lack of any landing gear and having to do a belly landing on a rough surface like concrete or asphalt. I have plenty of grassy parks and other soft landing areas where I live in Florida to fly such a plane, but for those that live in areas with a lack of grass covered parks or school yards, it would not be such a great option to tear up the belly of this plane on landing.

Weeee, I have something to watch after work now!!!😆 it's just a snowing and blowing in southwestern Michigan. Stay warm you all.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you are excited for our videos Scratch! You rock and hope you had a good day of work! If all goes according to plan, we hope to fly some warbirds together possibly tomorrow. Thinking the Spitfire and BF109! 👍😁😎⚓️

@oldscratch3540

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRcSaylors well heck yea. I been doing all my flights inside on the simulator. Hey, a quick question I have the older turbo timber. Does the Draco really fly that much better than the 1.5 turbo timber. On the simulator it flies crazy good.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

The Draco flies good, but you’d be buying it for it’s looks over performance in my opinion. The FMS Beaver or Turbo Timber both fly just as good but don’t cost as much. However the Draco has them both beat on looks for sure! 😎⚓️

@oldscratch3540

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRcSaylors yea, I have the turbo timber 1.5. I downloaded the eflight draco and it is worlds better on the simulator than the turbo timber but in real life you are letting me know that they handel the same. You should download the draco and fly it on the simator against the turbo timber. Horizon must want me to buy the draco with how solid it flies on they're simulator. Thanks man.

@oldscratch3540

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it is real EZ to bust the wings off on inverted flights if you pull up hard while inverted on the simulator. I know cause I've tryed it all on it. It was very solid during slow flight.

The first time I saw an A-10 was when I was stationed at ft Campbell KY. It immediately became my favorite bird. I have the umx, but want the bigger one. Unfortunately I just read a comment saying it was discontinued. That's too bad

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve only seen A-10s flying once, and we happened to get it on camera!! We were on vacation in GA and they were flying in formation (just two of them) along the beach, really low. It was honestly Amazing!! Yes, it has been discontinued, but I have a feeling Horizon will be bringing it back. Just gotta be patient 😁⚓️

Bought the Motion Rc 80mm A10 and the 64mm A10 for my son. Love these planes.

Nate and Abby I thoroughly enjoyed that I love that huge jet maybe someday I'll get the experience and the money to get one God bless thanks to the big guy up above stay safe stay well and stay happy 🙏

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

God Bless you and your loved ones Craig! Happy Flying my friend, and Thank You! 👍😁😎⚓️

id love to see a "state of the collection" video where you showcase the models you have, maybe talking about ones you dont any more and why

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

We intend to show our entire airplane collection on our channel fairly soon. Winter seems like a good time to share the hangar with everyone 👍😁😎⚓️

have u ever seen a full scale a10 fly ? i saw the last one built take off from the republic plant on long island new york. he took off heading south then made a u turn over the southern state parkway & did a lowfly over the run way& and will never forget it. i also saw turbine powered a10 model fly at the chatfield state park in colorado that looked like the full scale warthog that put on a good show.

@spud13x13

2 жыл бұрын

Among my top 5 favorite planes. I'd seen A10s in airshows a couple of times (excellent demos), but the most thrilling demo I ever had was on a flight shortly after 9/11...close unough to the day that we were still really on edge. I was anyway, being on an airplane after strolling past soldiers carrying M4's in my local airport prior to boarding! Midway through the flight, my eye was caught by motion; I looked out the window to catch four A10s in echelon formation, I'm guessing 2000ft below our plane. Within a moment, the lead plane rolled inverted, started popping flares, then pulled the stick to drop into the cloud layer below. The other three planes rolled, popped, and pulled in sucession. Only airshow I've seen from above!

Thanks for the x-mas card!

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome! Thank you for all of your support 👍😁😎⚓️

I absolutely love these jets!! I want to get the umx A10

Damn. You have made a great life bro! Planes!!!!

your videos are great never had rc planes before i may try the smaller jet to see if i like it

@markushuber214

Жыл бұрын

And? Any news for your plannings? Did you regret?

Hi. You made me confident to buy the F18 as my second jet. I love it!! Thank you so much

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

So happy to hear that! Happy Flying 👍😁😎⚓️

@rcav8r185

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRcSaylors you too

@Hughejazshole

Жыл бұрын

Are you still flying the f18?

Your doing it right. Learn to make the wind your friend and you can always fly. Learned that from some Canadin flyers. Great wisdom from them!

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT CHEAP A-10 THUNDERBOLT I WANNA BUY IT IM IN DA UK

I used to like Spektrum radios & own the DX6 which I bought 13 years ago for nearly $300. I abandoned the hobby for 12 years, but became interested again with the advent of flight controllers that allow for mission flying, terrain following & etc. To my disappointment it certainly appears that Spektrum has stayed away from being useful for use with flight controllers thru their receivers largely being unable to connect via serial communication to controllers. Sure there are the satellite receivers that with work arounds can be mated with a controller, but all other of their serial output receivers only can send telemetry. On the otherhand brands that did not exist to my knowledge 13 years ago such as Radiomaster, Radiolink... not only have receivers with serial called SBUS output for connection to controllers, but can also send PWM signals individually to servos if not using a controller. To top it off, these newcomers are a lot less expensive than Spektrum. Hence, now with Spektrum, contrary to all the hype when 2.4 Ghz spread spectrum radios initially were introduced, we have Spektrum gives one, you pay more & get much less.

You guys are som much more fun than the usual, serious, boring RC reviewers.

He is just a kid, and Ilove it.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

👍😁😎⚓️

That big one would be so cool to throw an FPV cam on

Well, unfortunately the 64mm Version is discontinued now....

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Be patient my friend 😉👍😁😎⚓️

I'm getting this plane. I'm starting to fly rc jets and it's going good

For being a parkflyer, the UMX aircraft have the flight envelope covered,but the scream of the motor(s) is a deal breaker to fly in those venues.Why can't technology deal with this grating scream ?

What's the link for the smaller one? Would it be available in Australia? Keen to get into this

Do you a video of the FMS A10 warthog radio setup? Thank you

how easy to fly is the A-10 Thunderbolt II Twin 64mm vs the eachine corsair warbird.

New into the hobby get yourself a apprentice i have mine over a year now and have allot of flight times just get extra gear mounts and props and a screwdriver set it comes with a remote but if you looking to get more planes get a remote with a screen so it’s way easier to bind and pick what you want Also where have my country gone

you are missing one a10 :D I habe the freewing a10 with dual 80mm EDF but did the 90mm conversion with wemotec fans - that thing rips. When i tried to run that thing in my livingroom it threw stuff around all over the place xD

Every since my back went out and took me out of work, I’ve been giving rc flying some serious thought! Just don’t know which is the more common since way to go. Obviously it can be an expensive hobby by the time you buy everything you have to have just to start flying. I love those A-10’s you showed! Any idea on what I should look at as a beginner?

@robertballard8048

2 жыл бұрын

Habu sts. Awesome first jet. Even works well a first bird! Bought mine in the rtf version so didn't need anything outside of the box to get up in the air!

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Depends what your budget is Steve, but this video is an amazing place to start - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKek2NuDY7qzfNI.html

@ptgfox3082

2 жыл бұрын

Try one of the eachine mini Warbirds, so easy and so much fun to fly, and because they are so cheap/indestructible there is no fear/worry of crashing,

@stevefranklin9920

2 жыл бұрын

@@ptgfox3082 thanks, I’ll check them out!

@skypilot249

2 жыл бұрын

Steve, I also have back problems. And many different planes, and carrying around just a plane, the transmitter, and batteries, is tough. As a beginner you should buy a trainer model first, about 1200 mm wingspan, and a decent transmitter like a NX8 or 10. The big money you will spend on the LiPo Accu's so it's important to start with a few similar models; most of them use 3S 2'200 mAh. What I do not recommend: Spektrum LiPo's because they are so smart they discharge themselves automatically after about 2 -3 days non -use. After so many years of flying, that was a nasty surprise to me, as I usually have a few accu's in my car besides a plane or two. Anyways, see this video of my Eflite T-28 Trojan, a pretty fast one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6eTp5upiabgd6w.html

ANYDAY just LANDING without breaking something is soo satisfying even if frostbite has kicked in!

I want to get into the hobbit of RC planes without going broke

What transmitter did you use

First flight,should I go with the VTOL Harrier ???

I want to get into the hobby but tight on money and I really like the a10 so if I could have an suggestion that would be great

what would you recommend for a brand new flyer? plane, remote, batteries, the whole kit a kaboodle? thx

You guys upgraded your camera gear I see. Youre getting some pretty shallow depth of field. What system and lens combo did ya'll upgrade to?

You don’t pull up hard from a strafing pass to avoid enemy fire, so much as to avoid your own ricochets.

Hey spectrum radio question in a boat and I'm needing to get the cheapest controller to work that receiver can you help me out is it the DX 4 dx3

Do you need a big flying area for the Big 6s A-10? Like a tiny soccer field?

I'm buying the tan one

There's plenty A10 64mm left for sale in the UK.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that my friend! Usually our friends in the UK get the short end of the stick with Horizon, but now you have one up on us 👍😁😎⚓️

I just got one what is the best way to take off the first time

Awesome video

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! 👍😁😎⚓️

It would be really cool if it cool drop flares after a strafing run.

Do they come with a remote controller

Any recommendations for an RC Airbus? Best website to purchase?

Kinda early squad where you guys at happy flying all 😊😊😊😎😎😎😎⚓️⚓️⚓️⚓️⚓️⚓️

Do you need a transmitter for the remote control if you already don’t have one?

Need more BRRRRRRRRRT

Hi RC Saylors! Hey do you think that they will bring back the A-10 64mm? I was really looking forward to getting that one but realized it was discontinued

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

I would suggest to be patient and let’s hope Horizon does what is best for everyone 😉👍😁😎⚓️

By the time you add on everything that you need to the cheaper UMX A-10, the price is just over $500.

the big one is my dreammm rc

How long is the flying time on the small jet

-someone actually tried to fly it to the moon be like I STOLE THE MOON!!!!!-

Exactly How fast is the A10 30mm thunderbolt 2???

Does this video mean they are bringing back the A-10 64 mm EDF? It was just discontinued.

Looks like a blast to fly. Just curious, which EFD do you like flying more, the Viper 90mm, or this A-10 Thunderbolt II Twin 64mm?

If only the little one had scale sound instead of screaming xD

What’s the make and model of the large gray A10?

batteries cost and charging is a huge price difference... both are nice quality... does the big one have 2 70mm fans? think little one has 2 30-40 mm fans ...thanks for sharing

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

TBH off the top of my head I don’t remember the mm size of each EDF. I thought the larger one was two 64mm but I may be wrong. It’s been so long since the larger A-10 was released I just forgot 😬 Should be listed on the website though where we have them linked 😉👍😁⚓️

Is the little one, scaled 1:18 ?

Awesome vid

@TheRcSaylors

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!! 👍😁😎⚓️

Can u even say how long can we play with big A10 plane pls

Would the small A-10 be a good beginner plane?

Now.. i’ve never flown a plane before. Never done any sort of simulation. Would the smaller a-10 (desert camo) be a good beginner, first plane to buy?

@TheRcSaylors

Жыл бұрын

Honestly? I wouldn’t strongly recommend it. However, you’d stand a much higher chance for success with this than things that existed when I was a kid!! Having said that, though if you are learning to fly there are some other options I’d recommend just to learn the ropes on. 👍😁⚓️

Probably not the only one asking this. Do you guys know how to replace the pins on the main gears. I have replaced the nose pin. But having issues and dont know what im doing wrong. Or is there a video or forum somewhere who explains the process. ThAnks!

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

You’ll likely think I am crazy, but on this specific craft I have not had a single landing gear issue. Hundreds of flights off asphalt and even more off grass and still going strong! 👍😁😎⚓️

I need one

I would break it on landing if I survive the flight. But looks like fun!!1

Where do they find any parts for the F4 Bone yard. Still airframe and parts old .

where can i get the small one

The big a10 wins

wait you have to buy a controller in order to fly the plane? idk about that

I don’t understand why the discontinued the 64mm!! I was about to get one and then I see the “This Item Is Longer Available” I’m now depressed lol.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Just be patient my friend 😉👍😁😎⚓️

I'm new to the hobby I have an eachine mini mustang and I gave my ten year old son a mini corsair, but I want a cheap decent affordable jet, I'm thinking maybe the arrows BAE RED ARROWS 50MM

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Oh I DO love that jet!! Have you seen our videos on it? Also, congrats on growing your collection! 👍😁😎⚓️

@ptgfox3082

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRcSaylors I most certainly have seen your video on it, to be perfectly honest it was your joy and enthusiasm for it (and my desire for a jet) that helped me make the decision

Could make fpv on the big one.

What’s the difference between the transmitter you have and the DX6e? What does about a hundred more give you? Happy New Year and blessings to your family.

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

The biggest difference is the ability to connect to your Wi-Fi for updates and airplane downloads, and a bonus 7th channel for SAFE 👍😁😎⚓️

I got the little one as my first EDF. You and others say that EDFs fly differently, so do you think it's representative of the experience? If I moved up to something bigger, like a Viper or Falcon, aside from speed and power, would I be surprised by a lot?

@mongoose4117

2 жыл бұрын

The little a10 is a real sweet heart, its much more tame far as takeoff and landing, very easy. I think the big a10 is real similar and a sweet heart as well. They are good jets because of the large wing, still very fast. That being said I do not have a viper but do have an avanti v3. The avanti its also a real sweet heart. I think its easyier to land than my zero fighter or other tail draggers. Some edfs are way more intense. Like my freewing f5 80mm hp, very high landing speed but so fun. If you can handle the little a10 with no issues. I think a viper or an avanti or a habu ss or a big a10 is the ticket. Another really sweet, step up bird, is eflites f15 64mm. Mine has been on a couple hundred problem free flights. Its super easy to land and once your used to it, you can high alpha at about 3 miles an hour with your nose way up in the air and i can hover mine. I did add servos and functional rudders to my f15, the f15 basically dosnt stall, either. I mean you can stall it but you have to try. Its so well behaived, eflites 70mm f16 thunderbird is another that almost wont stall, thier both really amazing jets. The f16 is sweet but a little more challenging, just a tiny bit , tho. Anyway best of luck.

@Hughejazshole

Жыл бұрын

@@mongoose4117 great response! I’m in the same boat, I am starting to get a bit bored with the Umx a10. Do I go to the eflight 64mm a10, eflight 70mm f16, or try a different brand? Any thoughts?

You're having too much fun

@TheRcSaylors

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this hobby!! 👍⚓️😎⚓️

With flaps down will it go as slow as the viper?

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Not quite but it still slows down A LOT! 👍😁😎⚓️

I was at our hobby store and looked at both of these jets! I need 1 of them but I'm a beginner, any recommendations?

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

If you are a beginner I would strongly encourage another plane and work your way up to either of these. If you want, I can make a recommendation based on your budget. Just leave a new comment on any video and I’d be happy to help! I ask that if we were more help than your hobby shop, you consider buying your plane through one of our links. It helps to support our free content and our family at no extra cost to you. Happy flying! 👍⚓️

dont care Ill take either one lol

Hey how far range do these got with a dx8? What’s the limit on the bigger a-10?

@TheRcSaylors

2 жыл бұрын

Much further than you can see Line of Sight 👍😁😎😁

Which one turns faster

Hi can anyone help me I’m trying to find a good RC plane that doesn’t break the bank any suggestions will help