I.m a hobbyist. I love fusion & fully appreciate why these changes have been made. I'm so thankful this poduct is still available for free for the hobyist. Thankyou.

I still think Fusion 360 is a fantastic deal. I am chronically ill on disability and love this program. Autodesk has to protect its business and these 'restrictions' really don't affect me too much. I am grateful for having had a great experience and also grateful to Lars for his tutorials. Thank you.

IMO, Mr. Hooper came across as genuine and believable with a perfectly reasonable argument for the new rules. Autodesk is a business not a charity and I certainly am grateful for free access to such a useful tool. The new restrictions are not showstoppers for us hobbyists. And when you think about it, zero dollars is a pretty low price.

@bunker1213

3 жыл бұрын

He sounded genuine enough, yet he sat there saying "trust me" repeatedly, while using a fake background.

Having STEP export back is a relief.

@beefybeef1326

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly is!

@tonysplace8009

3 жыл бұрын

That keeps me on the platform.

@manousosvasilakis753

3 жыл бұрын

That was big for me as well.

@fbi805

3 жыл бұрын

Yea until they change it again. Autodesk doesn't care about the hobbyist because they don't make any money from them. For autodesk it's all about the money and how they can rob their customer of it.

@manousosvasilakis753

3 жыл бұрын

Thomas Delgado first off nobody owes you anything for free. Giving education and hobbyist versions out free actually helps the company so it benefits them to continue on some level. More people know how to use the software and that’s more potential future customers. It’s also more people testing the software out and rooting out bugs. But to think somehow you’re owed something free and that charging for their product is theft is juvenile and selfish.

Thanks for everything Lars. It was great to learn Fusion with your help over the years. Build a Cnc Mill for my private projekts and started with 3d printing. Im learning now FreeCad. Goodbye Autodesk

As a personal user of F360 I would like to thank Lars and Steve for this video. It was something that they didn't need to do, but reaching out to the community in this way goes some way in resolving the concerns that there are out there. I chose F360 as a design solution as it touches all 3 workflows I am interested as a maker (3D printing, Laser Cutting and CNC). The time I have spent learning this tool has been an investment from my side and it's good to hear Lars call this out and recognise this! Due to the quality of the communications, I too was worried about how I would work on my pet projects. As a result I decided to explore other CAD options, specifically FreeCAD. After using this application for a short time, it became immediately obvious the amount of hard work the design team and programmers at Autodesk had put in to make the tools easy to understand and use. Something that I took for granted! I will continue to use FreeCAD alongside F360 to broaden my horizons , however F360 will remain my daily driver for all of my projects for the foreseeable future. To Autodesk, thank you for creating an awesome tool and making it available to the maker community - never forget, today's young personal users are tomorrows commercial engineers To Lars, thank you for this video and all that have gone before. I would not be working on the projects I do without the time invested on your part! Hopefully this relationship with the maker community and Autodesk F360 continues long into the future.

Fusion360 with these changes is still workable (at the moment), but that's not the point. The main issue I have is that this is a step in a direction I don't want to go. I (and other users) invest a lot of time becoming proficient with a piece of software and now I don't feel that I can trust F360 in the future. I'd prefer to invest my time with something that will grow, not degrade. I'm glad I've invested most of my time in FreeCAD, but I'm sad that this is happening to F360.

Here are my 2 cents. My personal concern now is that, at some point in the future, an important part of F360 that I use will be turned off and I will be told I have to pay for it. I dont' know what will be turned off (nerfed, whatever you want to call it), I don't know much I will have to pay and I don't know if I will be able to afford it. I'm already a paying customer, but I don't want to be in a place where I feel like all of my designs are hidden on Autodesk servers and I'll be held to ransom at some point in the future. I love the product and am prepared to pay for it, but the way this has been done, has made me very nervous, to the point of looking at other options.

@Skyrunner_84

3 жыл бұрын

One of my biggest concerns is that it is a subscription based program. If certain features are removed to a "pro" version i will not be able to continue to use it because of the subscription. I would be more inclined to pay for the program outright. Im sure it would be very expensive anyway.

@jeffreycase285

3 жыл бұрын

Ur gonna pay if they can make any sort of profit from it pal

Thanks Lars and Fusion 360. I am amazed that a program this powerful has a free version in the first place. I also appreciate all your free tutorials.

It's good to hear the other side of the story. Thank you for making this video.

Guess it's time to say goodbye to autodesk. I cant pay 400 a year for a hobby.

I can see them having restrictions in the free license. The thing is, they should have been in place from the beginning. To give somebody something only to take it away later is guaranteed to illicit a negative reaction from anyone. It's just human nature. The proper path would have been to release new must have shiny things in the commercial version to entice an upgrade. How could their marketing dept. not know this? I've never been a fan of cloud software or subscription models that can alter your agreement on a whim. This incident just reinforces those feelings. His line about 'protecting' makers and hobbyists is pure bovine excrement. And if people were abusing the license it should be easy enough to tell since it's all running on their cloud. Thanks for making the excellent instructional videos Lars. They're great for grasping cad concepts generally even if you're not using fusion.

You know the old saying about how to boil a frog: you have to lure them in while the temperature is comfortable, then you can raise it gradually, bit by bit, until before they realize it is becoming dangerously hot, they are well and truly cooked.

I have an older, paid version of Solidworks that I have used for years at home. A few years ago I signed up for a free Fusion360 license for home projects with the intent of switching completely to Fusion360. I started into the learning curve, but then got an abrupt email from Autodesk telling me that the personal license was ending and that Autodesk was now demanding a $310 from me to keep my license. It was like the old MAD Magazine cover that said "Buy this magazine or we'll shot the dog". Apparently Autodesk is rethinking this now. Fortunately for me, I hadn't actually moved any important models over to Fusion360. I can only imagine what life would have been like if I had invested hundreds of hours building important models only to have the rug pulled out from under me. Now, like Lucy with the football, Autodesk is telling people they have re-imagined the free license and we should all come back and give it another try. But how do we know that some new guy won't take over in a year from now and decide to pull the rug out again? Unfortunately, I think this is a situation where you have destroyed all trust from the maker community and will not likely get it back.

@bluehornet6752

3 жыл бұрын

I too have a license for Solidworks, and have been paying them for over 5 years now. I feel your pain--but all I can advise you to do is to IMAGE THE HARD-DRIVE in the machine with Solidworks on it. Because if you lose that drive, then you'll need to go back to the VAR agent you had while under subscription, and get them to again help you install and register the version of Solidworks you own. About 18 months ago I let my subscription lapse, using the same logic as you've stated. It seemed like a good idea at the time. However Solidworks had made some changes to how they handle legacy licenses, and it took me well over a week to be able to again get Solidworks up & running on a new machine when I upgraded. In my case imaging the HDD in my old machine wouldn't have helped--but you can bet I'll be imaging my hard drive if I ever decide to stop paying for an annual subscription going forward.

Thank you for taking so much of your time to make the videos. I realize you are doing this out of the kindness of your heart, and no matter what happens in the future I will always be grateful for the valuable lessons.

EXCELLENT Explanation. You read my mind on all the little questions that no one seemed to 'get'. Thank you for making this video. Now I can sleep knowing my library of little projects isn't going to vanish in October. It's so good to have you back with us!

Thank You, You Opened my eyes. I just realised what is the value of having data in your own PC and not having them in cloud subjected to somebody else will to grant you an access. Today they say this or that or charge you "only" that, what about tomorrow, ??? 40%off ?? This guy might change with next CEO. Thank you Autocad giving me the valuable lesson of not reling on anybody storing my data with anyone else. I have learned not to rely (however its for free!!!) on product that I cannot control let alone access. ( I need internet connection to Fussion 360 to export data out) I only found yesterday. Thank you Fusion 360 to open my eyes!!! I was naive.

I still like LARS and recommend that he start a new tutorial channel about FreeCAD - if he does I believe many of us will follow!

@thesuperjed1

3 жыл бұрын

J K Lars is not just a free lancer who likes making videos about F360, he is an Autodesk F360 employee. So while they pay his salary, he will never make a FreeCAD tutorial sorry.

This is the video the community needed. Thank you! Looking forward to hearing more details...

Confusion360

@frankfiederlein4233

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and Con is the main thing

I would gladly pay 10-15$ a month for a somewhat restrictive license, but a commercial one that has features I would never use (like generative design,cam and simulation), I'm not very interested in. Would Autodesk loose anything by offering a cheaper license to semi-pro/enthusiasts?

@jothain

3 жыл бұрын

Motion simulations definitely would have to be in this kind of license

The biggest problem is what will they do next? What else will they take away next time. I wish they would had a lower tier price

@jameslaine2472

3 жыл бұрын

I second the need for a lower priced tier !

I am so glad that you took the time to do this for the community!!!! Thank you for all that you do!!

The fundamental question we need to ask ourselves is: Are we confident AD will not change the licensing again? This should tell us whether to invest our time into something else.

@megacanam

3 жыл бұрын

Look how it's changed in the last three years... I'll be looking for a replacement. I haven't been consistent in building stuff in my garage, but when I jump back in to Fusion it's always functionally different with some quirk that takes a lot of time to figure why it doesn't work like it used to. My mantra is... "well it's free, and bad ass software". But if I'm forced to buy it, I'll look for software that doesn't keep moving the goal post.

@fbi805

3 жыл бұрын

You know they will change it again just like they have with autcad, inventor, mechanical and all of their other software. Their are engineering and architectural companies that have jump off the Autodesk platform because of all the changes they keep making while increasing the prices of their products. I'm done with this company and moving everything to Rhino and Freecad.

@model3d90

3 жыл бұрын

@@megacanam I think for free users the Long time operation of this software can be caused by full servors. For people like me it is very to much time lost to do a design. Now, I have to work with Freecad like some another people are doing now. I don't understand why they closed the 123D design open source software, it was very easy to use for 3d printer community

@ericed69

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I can't afford the software and I just got a 4th axis for Christmas and after all I learned, I can't use it. Oh well, I'll go learn another software, again! Lol But all the videos I've watch and all the frustrating time spent. Grrrrrr!

@jeffreycase285

3 жыл бұрын

Simple answer if they can profit they will charge you. So do what you think is best for you because you know they won't. I for one would ask the content posters to remove their their tutorials how to videos etc. Don't beta test the products for them do not give them free product improvement advice. Don't like videos or subscribe to coperate schills like this guy

Thanks Lars for the video and all the work you have put into explaning Fusion 360 over the years, I have learned alot thanks to you, and explaining what is happening now is absolutly great in stead of listen to gossip. I hope you one day will come back with all your good tips and tricks.

I'm a hobbyist and a Huge fan of Fusion 360. Thanks Lars for your great videos. I think finding out those "fake hobbyists" might not be an issue, based on simple activity monitoring. I also think Autodesk just gave the hobbyist community the best possible motivation to consider learning FreeCad and contribute to its improvement. Because FreeCad still has simulation, unrestricted CAM and other features that you guys are removing. Some people are already posting videos on moving to FreeCad from Fusion. I just finished building my desk CNC when this thing is Happening. I think I will continue to use F360 but I'm going to learn CAM in FreeCad.

Thank you for the clarification of the changes. I wasn't 100% clear on them, and your video has helped a lot.

Thank you for all your time, hard work, and dedication to this community!

I started learning Fusion 360 because of you .. Thank you very much .. I was astonished that a piece of software of this caliber was free to use.. I am unsure of how these changes will affect me , if at all.. I use fusion 360 to design items to be 3d printed.. Some have several components each.. I completely understand that Autodesk wants a little bit of separation between a true hobbyist and a commercial user.. I am positive that I could get by just fine with the personal license.. However.. I will go ahead and purchase a license .. Thank you Lars.. and Autodesk ....

Lars, I am so glad you are back making new videos so you could explain the Fusion 360 changes. Like many of us, I have been following some threads on this subject, and I thought the updated personal version would still be fine for me and other hobby users like me. Your explanation confirmed this, and I am planning to continue to use Fusion 360 and follow your excellent instructional videos. Thank you for this update.

Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and for including your communication with the VP of autodesk. It's helped so much in understanding exactly what the changes will mean to all of us hobbyists

Thank you Lars for taking the time of making this. Fully understand the position of Autodesk and thanks for listening!

You Sir, are a class act. Very good video, highlighting the good, and the bad. I’m happy to see that Autodesk have fixed the colossally stupid idea to eliminate export of STEP models. How that idea ever got approved to begin with is shocking in and of itself. Trust was shattered... it will take a lot of time to repair that mistake. It was fixed immediately, but it shouldn’t take a public outcry for Autodesk to wake up and realize how stupid that was. Thank you for this video. I have gained so much knowledge from you, and your exceptional tutorials. I can’t thank you enough for all your hard work.

I have been using Fusion 360 for a few years now. I enjoyed the Personal License for all that time. About 2 months ago I decided I wanted to go ahead and start paying for it not because I want to start making money off my models I am creating. I wanted to help support the company that helped me learn how to design and create my own models to 3d print. Thank you lars for all the videos of yours over the years that helped me in learning process. I still go back and watch the older videos and I look forward to more from you in the future. Thanks to the Fusion 360 team for creating a great product and I will continue to use it for years to come.

@michaeleisenbart9073

3 жыл бұрын

If get to the point of selling stuff I make I would gladly pay for it. I think the biggest mistake was offering so much power for free but at the same time could have been a long term marketing thing.

Thankyou Lars for clearing the air. Thankyou for your hard work and not forgetting us!

Thank you for the clarification. I understand the changes better. I enjoy your teachings, keep them up.

You know what they say... ‘If you aren’t paying for a product, you are the product’.

I am two days into learning Fusion360 to use for my hobby 3D printer.....I'm glad I found this out before I invested any more time. $400 per year is much too much for hobby software.

@andytaylor8802

2 жыл бұрын

Reading these thousands of replies it seems Autodesk alienated more people who were not in a position to buy it anyway so they don't really care.

@BonifiedWingnut

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I am glad I came across this before I spent one more second trying to learn Fusion 360. Autocad was overpriced 30 years ago.. I thought this was their redemption.. I see it was a bait and switch. Apparently half a billion in profit a year still isn't enough to satisfy the greed.

Thank you for this clarification, I will continue following your lessons.

when I got my 3D printer it was suggested to me by numerous people to get the personal version of fusion. I did and when I asked for some good video's on how to use it your name came up instantly and consistently. I'm having a great time watching your video's and modeling the things you have.

thank you Lars and thank you Steeve for these much clearer explanations.

This video definitely has an Autodesk PR Damage control vibe to it. That said, it also alleviates any major concerns I had. My interpretation is this: If some commercial users weren't abusing the hobbyist license, Autodesk would not have to take these actions.

@ryanrose8856

3 жыл бұрын

Of course, the 10 document limit still STINKS!!

@andre_pikes

3 жыл бұрын

People pirate autodesk cads for ages. I dont think such companies blink eye if they cant use fusion , they pirate something else. Thats why I dont trust this reason

@ryanrose8856

3 жыл бұрын

@@wojtek-33 I am aware. It's obvious this is meant to "cause friction" as Lars put it. In other words, it's purposefully a pain in the ass.

Great video Lars. I dug through the announcement and was able to realize that these changes wouldn't affect how I use Fusion, but to have you take the time to explain clearly and simply shows your commitment, and through you Autodesk's commitment, to the community. Thanks for everything you do for us.

Thanks Lars and thanks Steve. Great video. Well worth being patient and watching the whole thing.

I've been in design for over 50 years, you people need to realize this is a function of AutoCad. Years ago when cad took hold I used a program Called Generic Cad ( $ 60.00) which was purchase by Atuocad for their 3D program. Two years later they shut Generic Cad down and AutoCad went from $1,200 to 5,000 for the complete program. What I'm saying is "buyer beware".

@1873Winchester

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the smartest way to be a hobbyist is to avoid AutoCad, YOU WILL GET BURNT! Sooner or later.

@forrestgumpv9049

3 жыл бұрын

@@1873Winchester Autocad is not free, right now everyone is being used for their benefit. The time is near when this product will not be free or cheap as it is now.

@jjdawg9918

3 жыл бұрын

This does smell very much like we need the antitrust suit like United States v. Microsoft Corp. regarding internet explorer being bundled for “free” and killing the competition such as Netscape, Opera etc. in this case companies like RhinoCAD, BricsCAD, TurboCAD, DraftSight etc. are the ones hurt since people will flock to the highly marketed free option and build all their mindshare around it.

Thanks for clarifying this, Lars. It's good to know all that time climbing the learning curve for Fusion 360 has not ben wasted. Keep up the good work!

Hey Lars. bywebberen here. Thank you for taking the time to clarify this! It makes so much more sense now! I'll keep doing my stuff in this amazing software!

Wonderful to see AutoDesk respond to the community like this, and thanks to you and Steve for addressing this. Putting a face to a corporation can make all the difference and having Steve talk openly about it and make changes to reflect the needs of hobbyists and makers speaks volumes to me about the company behind Fusion 360.

Loved seeing the Boss. As an old man now I am having a ball learning something new. 10 years ago this was not possible for the man on the street. So many brilliant ideas are born in backyard sheds late at night. I a 3D printer which is great, if I can draw it I can 3D print it. So far still got L plates on with Fusion 360. Cheers from Australia

Thank you. My take on it is that a lot of people were acting like entitled jerks. I am a retired software developer and software project manager that worked in that tall black tower in the city just east of where you live. I read that blog posting when it came out and found it to be very clear - and I understood it to say what you just said. People need to learn how to read. They also need to understand just how much it takes to produce and support a complex piece of software. I have a 3d printer and a home built CNC (Gatton CNC). If it takes me 10 minutes longer to make my parts it is not a big deal. I think the most complicated design (spinning wheel) had about 15 parts that I designed in F360 and cut on the Gatton. I am grateful that Autodesk allows me to use Fusion 360 for free.

@David_Best

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I read the table and everything else the team put out, and I'm still confused - even with Lar's video. Absolutely abysmal descriptions of the restrictions.

@davematthews7686

3 жыл бұрын

@@David_Best What part of it isn't clear? At this point all you will see different is the number of documents that are active at one time unless you also have a 4 or more axis milling machine. If you need to have rapids back just do a find and replace in the g code.

@David_Best

3 жыл бұрын

@@davematthews7686 Here is my original reply to Lars: " Even with your video here, I still do not fully comprehend the document print stuff. Your video here helps, but I still do not see revised descriptions from the F360 group that further clarifies things. I would ask that you do a follow-up video that illustrates what you can and can not do in producing 2D shop drawing with the personal license. For F360 to be useful to me, I need to publish the 2D representations. I have been able to "trick" the system to output to a PDF driver, but I'm fearful that I can't get the full 2D documentation set output even on paper. The same goes for active versus inactive projects - a video showing how a complex assembly with 100 parts, only 10 of which are "active" and needing to get to the 11th one and exactly how to archive one and do the substitution. "

@davematthews7686

3 жыл бұрын

@@David_Best he said you can still print. He even hinted that you can output to a pdf by installing a pdf printer as one of your printers. We have them on everything here and I think one ships with windows. You can probably get a better feel for the 10 docs limit by googling fusion 360 archiving. Pretty sure it is a current feature.

@David_Best

3 жыл бұрын

@@davematthews7686 I'm glad you are so clairvoyant on these topics. I would normally suggest you apply for the job of Product Manager of F360, but alas, your gloss-over the details approach is no better than how the team functions already. Not everyone is as informed on these intricacies as you clearly must be. "Limited 2D documentation and drawings: Single sheet support and print only" is completely insufficient description IMO since I have no idea what that means in practicality. I'm not asking for your assistance in figuring it out either.

I am not fluent in fusion 360, but I love learning it, and your videos has helped me a lot. Thanks for the update

It would be interesting to know, how many hobbyists like myself compared to professional users there is. I personally wouldn't mind paying an amount like e. g. a Netflix subscription - though i much prefer to model new things i F360 over watching a movie. I feel a bit uncomfortable being a free rider - on the other hand, i cannot justify paying a full professional licence (I am using F360 around 5 hours on average each week). Maybe Autodesk should consider dividing the users into 3 groups: Hobbyists, semi professionals and professionals, where the semi professionals would pay half the amount the professionals do - and of course have some of the most impeding restrictions lifted.

@jameslaine2472

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, need cheaper options for casual users who need just a little more than the 'free' tier offers.

@jeffreycase285

3 жыл бұрын

How bout forming fusion co-ops get a bunch of users two throw in a couple bucks to buy 1 license then share it if it like some kind subscription service- probably wouldn't work though I can't get my family to agree on what's for dinner let alone share

Thanks Lars. You restore my faith to Fusion 360. I'm glad that I can used it in to future too, thanks! -Tommi

Lars, thank you for the detailed explanation, much appreciated. You are more than just a good teacher. Obviously nothing will change for me as a hobbiest, great!

Cheers Lars for clarifying all those changes. I’m really pleased to hear that the simulation in CAM won’t be affected 👍

Thanks you so much for this video and also thank you to Autodesk for keeping Step export in the free version. Creating 3D step models and using them inside KiCad was the reason why I started using Fusion 360 in the first place. Then I realized it's such a fun hobby and I got myself a 3d printer :-)

As an advocate of Open Source Software such as FreeCAD I think this was a good and fair appraisal of the situation. My interest in learning Fusion360 is to assist those who might either want to make the transition to FreeCAD or seek that alternative from the start. For industry FreeCAD will never usurp or even completely match Autodesk products, It may lack some functionality present in Fusion360 or, more likely, such functionality has to come from workarounds. Now as Lars points out, for the Personal version of Fusion360, workarounds may have to be used for such things a PDF, or assemblies will now just have to be limited to 10 components. FreeCAD, as open source software, does not have to balance access and revenue production and trades off some lack of sophistication for this complete freedom of use. Autodesk has an obligation to shareholders and employees (who both benefit from the revenue generated) to be a profitable company, the primary objective is to protect and build the revenue. One can only speculate what the parent company's share of the market is, but it will be large. All such organisations seek to at least maintain if not grow market share, particularly in an expanding market, despite increased competition. They have decided on a business model for Fusion360 that invests in gaining and holding individual users and converting some of those users to revenue producers. The education model provides a trained workforce some of whom will use their knowledge in firms already using Autodesk products. By offering academic licences they recruit universities and colleges to build Autodesk expectations in the wider marketplace. This is a proven strategy followed by other software manufacturers like Microsoft and Adobe. The hobby/small business market is growing and the opportunity to freelance, subcontract or maintain a small business based on CAD/CAM is expanding. As this happens the distinction between hobbyist and small business blurs and there is a need to ensure recompense for commercial use of the product. A hobbyist is useful to Autodesk, not only because if they grow into a business and start paid subscriptions it will produce more revenue but also because, if they are satisfiedwith the product they will encourage others who may then become subscribers. Alienating hobbyist users, as the initial changes have done, reduces Autodesk's reputation in a small but significant way and Autodesk has now moved to mitigate this a little. Some of the horses have already bolted but probably not the whole herd.

Hi Lars, thanks for a well balanced appraisal of the changes, impressive chat with the boss who came over sincere in the reason for the changes and support for the future. Well done, good to have you back.

Thank you Lars for the great explanation of the changes. Much appreciated!

Autodesk is wagering the trust they have built up over many years with the maker community. Autodesk management has obviously made some executive decisions without consulting application engineers for all fields of usage. I assume that the internal damage within Autodesk and Fusion 360 Team will take years to mend. From my personal hobbyist perspective the changes looks stupid and rash and will cause Autodesk a lot of internal and external friction. I understand that cloud services cannot work without costs, so lock us out and enforce only local file storage, but give us a a couple of months to download files before locking us out. Sorry the comment is so negative, keep up the good work Lars!

@buddythompson5284

3 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer local storage. I don't trust cloud storage one whit.

I see myself as an advanced hobbyist and I am very happy all functionality I use is 100% free. To my opinion I would love to pay 10 euro a month. I don't need full functionality for my hobby. It's less as before but far more I expect for free. Thanks for explaining and supporting hobbyist because there is no serious alternative for free to be fair.

Thank you for taking the time to clear some of this up. AutoDesk really shot itself in the foot with the way this was communicated.

That sounds great I am grateful for everything that you do. For him just a hobbyist and retired. Thank you for clarifying this up.

Thanks for the explanation Lars! I've been a machinist for 20 years and a hobbyist user of fusion for a year or so. I got laid off in April and recently started working again in a machine shop that uses fusion as a cam and design software. Having a cheap/free, easy to learn software like fusion let me tinker on hobby stuff like 3d printing. It gave me a lot of good base skills. It also gave me enough experience to jump into a programming and design job when I wasn't expecting it. With the downturn in the economy, I could see a lot of machine shops out there making the switch from big dollar CAM and going over to fusion. It's very impressive for what it costs. For the price, I think it's an amazing software and I'm amazed that it's offered so cheap. It can do many things that other cam programs just can't. I think Autodesk has made a great product and I am only going to continue to use it more in the future.

It feels almost like a funeral ...

We just got you back,need more of your videos with changes

Thank you for this. As always you are down to earth and very informative.

Excellent video Lars....I, for one, am staying and think Fusion 360 is awesome. The fact Autodesk put this out there and let people like me use it on a personal level is beyond gracious. Thank you and Autodesk for giving back to the community.

@GoranSkular

3 жыл бұрын

It's all calculated in. They get user base, they get community, people get knowledge... And hold and behold, it affects business owners also, attracting more commercial licenses.. and it's a great move. They did it well. But now they made a mistake. A lot of people will go away, myself included. Also, for some that will stay will be impossible to learn everything in fusion anymore. It's a sad year. Goodbye. I will miss it for sure and will use it occasionally, but I lost passion immediately and will try to migrate fully to something else. Until now it was a win win situation and now it's loss loss for both sides. I am hundred percent sure.

@garywildgoose767

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoranSkular I personally don't see it as a mistake. I respect your opinion but each Autodesk SBU has to stand on it's own, and they can't do that if they give their product away to everyone except businesses. Like I said, it's a matter of opinion and I understand why they would need to do this. As for me? It doesn't effect me all that much. I still use the software as they intended me to. While there are some features I can't use, I wasn't using them anyway, so the downside is minimal.

@GoranSkular

3 жыл бұрын

@@garywildgoose767 true, they know what they did. :) I am happy that I will be still able to open it from time to time and use it. Great product for sure. And it deserves to be monetized properly.

@garywildgoose767

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoranSkular agree

Great update. Thank you and thanks to Steve for taking the time to reach out. I appreciate Autodesk supporting the maker community and rethinking their support of STEP going forward. This makes me feel better about the new restrictions. I intend to stay with Fusion360 for personal use. Humans have a strong reaction to perceived loss and I have some of that going on, however I cannot find fault with Autodesk's decision and changes.

Thanks for all the help Lars. And thanks for the direct info on the changes. No issue for me, I carry on as a satisfied hobbyist using an amazing tool.

THANK YOU, Lars. I appreciate the video. The clarification. Your opinion as well.

Thanks Lars, I find these changes complety reasonable.

I have a very mixed feeling on this. On the one hand I can understand the idea of protecting the IP, on the other hand I am altering my plans as a hobbiest that one day would like to go commercial Fusion360 was a no brainer to specialize in. Never even considered any other software. Now I'm evaluating other packages and workflows and it's becoming less and less likely I'll stick with Fusion. Losing rapids and tool changes is a hard stop for me. Sure I can edit it by hand, but that is going to exacerbate errors and slow down my learning abilities. I can't afford the tool breakage.

@drhender6943

3 жыл бұрын

TheArsonsmith4242 , I’d be interested to know how much you paid your your CNC with a tool-changer, or how much you pay for access to that kind of equipment. If you are willing to pay good money for that kind of hardware, why do believe that the software should be free? What would you be willing to pay for all of the functionality included in the hobbyist/free licenseFusion 360 plus rapids and tool changes?

@askjacob

3 жыл бұрын

@@drhender6943 it's not just the license costs to worry about. It is the time invested in learning the tool. If the tool owners decide to change things on a whim, the issue is all that investment is lost. Even if you go to the paid option, the "we will change it again in the future" problem still exists. What has been illustrated is a lock-in culture, with the hope that the carrot can keep getting dangled a little further out for just a few more $$ a month... until when? They are preying on the sunk cost fallacy here, and not everyone wants to play that game

Thank you so much for clearing that up, I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your videos and learning 3D cad completely from scratch. I truly appreciate being able to use fusion360 for free and look forward to using it more in the future. My job keeps me busy for 6 months of the year and then I get to sit down with fusion and try to create things keeping my mind busy. It has allowed me to create things I never thought I would be capable of and it’s all thanks to your amazing videos. Thanks again.

Great news Lars, I have learnt to use Fusion by watching your video's, home user and still learning.

Good video, This helped me to understand more of the confusion.

Lars, I'm not a fusion 360 user, but I wanted to say Thank you for all that you do and I appreciate your efforts for the maker community.

Thank you for taking the time to explain this. For me, this is still a valuable resource.

What a good video! Thanks you guys for this clarification it is truly appreciated! Such a great level of professionalism! Thanks for your time guys 😊👏

Autodesk inventor just terminated my maintenance contract which I’ve paid annually for years. That subscription arrangement would have taken control of our business. What harm would it have caused them to leave those who prefer maintenance. We were faithful, they weren’t.

Lars: I hope that you will include in a future Video, How to handle and the actual procedure needed to Archive or Deactivate and Activate my huge library of Documents. I'd like to get started on reorganizing my documents.

Thank you for the clear explanation, great training and summary of the current situation. The reasoning is sound and understandable. I appreciate that Autodesk is maintaining there strong commitment and support to the maker community. I am looking forward to continuing to create my home projects using Fusion 360. Thanks again.

Hi Lars. Thank you for doing this video. I think we were all a little worried about the new licence system. It's good to see Steve Hooper say sorry for some of the misunderstanding they put out. As I said great video, and thank you for putting our minds at rest. I think you have probably forgotten more than I ever know when it comes to fusion 360. Please keep them coming. It's so good to see how you go about things and your working. Take care and stay safe.

This feels familiar. Like exchange between Darth Vader and Lando in empire strikes back: "I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any more" , and "Are you complaining you are treated unfairly". No money spent but countless hours poured into learning F360, watching tutorials, trial and error... that itself is an investment. Original agreement was for hobbyists and startups making under $100K. Then the Empire altered the deal, only hobbyists. And then altered it again, now hobbyists have to use this hobbled version. And you are saying let's stick with F360, we should trust their word, Lord Vader will not alter the deal. So hobbyists can look at their track record and then decide where best to invest their time and effort. Bye.

This is what you call, "scripted damage control"

Thank you for an excellent clarification! Hopefully it'll trickle down and quiet those screaming in pain - yes, some have expressed these changes as if their firstborn was being taken away.

Thank you gentlemen. I am a fan of fusion 360 and appreciate the mea culpa. This is what a grown up response to confusion looks like. Again, thank you.

Even if i understand the needs of Autodesk and intensions of this video in terms of communication, I think that the big asset that got broken here is trust. Beacuse when you spend time learning a software in the prospettive of an investment then suddenly and unilateraly things change, you won’t trust anymore. I guess that, beyond good intentions or anyway intensions of company which i fully respect, at the end this move will turn counter produtive for Autodesk. Trust of your users in your brand is the ASSET!

@DieselRamcharger

3 жыл бұрын

You explained it perfectly right. I trusted F360, i went so far as to buy a brand new machine and learn the ropes from the ground up. I am about 18months in, i absolutely can not afford 700 bucks a year. The stress this has all caused me far exceeds any value F360 would have ever brought into my business. I cannot continue forward with a company that says one thing then goes back on their word. When the changed to yearly license re-ups a few years ago the writing was on the wall. I should have ran then. Fusion thought we would all be so deeply invested in their junk software that we would HAVE to pay...Nope. Ill sell my machines before i get in bed with Fusion again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Interesting update, and you're right I've spent countless hours with your videos and Fusion. However adding .step export back isn't going to restore trust in Fusion and the future; and for hobbyist at maker spaces where even the hobbyist pay for machine time removing rapids is a deal breaker. The sum of changes still say throwing a fraction of the Fusion fee at FreeCAD will be a safer long term to avoid vendor lock-in when step files are removed again. So long and thanks for all the fish! (Also "ka-ching" is a bit of an unfortunate ambiguity given the circumstance :P)

This sets my mind at ease. Thank you for being the first person to take the time to get all the facts and taking the time to explain in detail everything. The internet and tubers with the doom and gloom thoughts actually caused me to boot up Fusion 360 not to draw but to see if all my drawings had disappeared . Lars, you are a straight shooter, Thank you

Thank you Lars, thank you Steve for the open and frank discussion, and thank you Autodesk for listening to the community and putting STEP back in :) If you ever make it to the South West of England, I'll gladly buy you a beer ;)

Kudos for putting STEP back. lovely lovely, this makes me very happy.

Gotta admit, I'm a bit surprised and shocked Autodesk listened to the community and brought back STEP export. Call me cynical I guess. I totally get the other changes and as a hobbyist they don't really impact me (sure, some are annoying, but none prevent me from getting a lot of value from F360), but the STEP issue was a deal breaker. Really glad to see this change.

Thank You " Lars Christensen " !!! You have been so much help, I enjoyed your way of teaching. Best Wishes.....

Yeah Thank you Lars and Steve!

I really loved Fusion 360, and I was an avid champion for it. I told all my buddies about it. I really appreciated them letting a startup/ hobby guy like me have access to such powerful software, and I totally intended to buy the software when I could afford to. Then these mental defectives took away RAPIDS!!!! Are you kidding me? Guess what , I don't reward Extortion! This is NOT the way to do this! Pissing me off is NOT how you get me to spend money on your product. This sort of corporate behavior is what I expect from Bill Gates, not you guys. But I guess you don't need us little guys anymore after we helped you beta test and refine your product to the point that it actually could compete with the other software out there. Now I will never buy F360 because I WILL NOT reward this kind of behavior. You guys screwed the pooch on this. Tootles..

@crozwayne

3 жыл бұрын

And the Autodesk B.A.S.T.A.R.D.S. have made it unusable with every poxy update, and i have the paid up licence ! I hate these charlatans and I am switching back to SW

Thank you. I recently bought an 3D printer and had started to learn Fusion 360 when the license changes were announced. I was reluctantly looking for an alternative as I, like others, thought I'd seen the writing on the wall. I'm glad I can stick with F360, which I find not only responsive and easy to use, but visually appealing.

As a hobby user, the functions you provide are always sufficient for me.Well done,Lars!!

This was very informative Lars. Thank you for your efforts with all you do for Fusion 360. Some of your videos are way over my head but I pretty much use it for very simplistic projects as of right now. I may grow into more later down the road. I am thankful it is still free. Keep up the work you do so well.

Any time a corporate VP says, "trust me," I immediately don't trust him.