So do you feel cleaning a comic should be restoration?

@adamdeaton2906

Жыл бұрын

In terms of how CGC defines it no I don't.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@adamdeaton2906 yeah, I feel like there B and C definitions of cleaned books are reasonable. When it comes down to pure gut feeling though it feels like a bad joke.

@adamdeaton2906

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 This has got me concerned about an order I have with Berry. If I get Plods back I'm screwed. I seriously considering having Berry send them to CBCS instead.

@marinefubar

Жыл бұрын

No.

@nerdyoldwoman9651

Жыл бұрын

No. Absent an objective test, such as detecting a certain chemical residue, it is too subjective and prone to misuse. If sometime in the future an H2O2 or blue light wave detector diagnostic test is developed, CGC should clearly let the community know that "after thus and such date, books detected to have been cleaned with blue light, peroxide, etc. will be labeled as restored."

You are absolutely correct! Great comparison with vintage cars!

@hobbyhero6973

2 ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

You know I've been very vocal saying the exact thing for quite some time. If you can't prove it was done, then you can't ethically assign it. And even if you can prove it, you should have to prove it meets the criteria set forth by CGC - Removal of cover & aqueous bath - Surfactants and bleaching agents that are not naturally found in paper. - Harsh Ultra-Violet lights that damaged the paper and the ink. You know, I was also saying we are going to see an uptick in false positives. When Mike, Chris, and I developed these techniques, we were very aware of CGC's stance. We developed these to play in their guidelines. We sidestepped what made it restoration (Shoutout to Joe BTW for doing the behind the scenes science stuff for us!!!) Prior to SRW work (HOP and BLED-O/M), the methods of doing this were - Removal of cover & aqueous bath - Surfactants and bleaching agents that are not naturally found in paper. - Harsh Ultra-Violet lights that damaged the paper and the ink. With SRW, - You don't have to remove the cover. - You are only using chemicals that have a very short half life AND are used in the paper making process - We found the safest and most effective wavelengths using BL, not UV. So much so that other people are actually using our research and manufacturing light boxes almost exactly to our specs. We literally took the things that made it restoration. Literally CGC's own definition of what made cleaning restorative and developed safe alternative methods with fantastic results.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, only reason I used the processes on some of the highest value books out there. If I felt it was true restoration then I would never have risked that. It doesn’t help that it feels deliberate on CGCs part

Amen brother. I totally agree that there’s a difference between adding color and removing dirt. Doesn’t matter how you do it, what matters is whether you’re changing the book by addition or subtraction. As a lifelong collector I have no problem with subtraction but would want to know about addition.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Who is out there enraged that foxing and water stains are being removed from comics??

Makes sense to me! Great video.

@hobbyhero6973

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, just another in a long list of growing concerns with CGC

I'd buy all the grails with purple labels stating cover cleaned. That's not resto that's a discount! 🎉

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Probably a smart buy especially since time will make even the most unnatural looking ones natural again even if they don’t change their stance on them.

Sir!! Your Thumbnail got my attention!!

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Lol thanks!

I definitely have to agree with you! Thanks for the video. My thoughts on this is that they are looking at the bigger books, and slapping purple labels because they’re not stupid… they know we clean comic books duh!!! And how often does a hulk 181 pass through like at the Comics store.

@hobbyhero6973

6 ай бұрын

Just feels like another way to get people to resubmit. I’ve seen several PLODs go back through and come back universal

In 2019 I decided to start having comics graded to sell on eBay. I chose to go with CGC because of their stellar reputation. I sent Batman #251 to be certified. They certified it 7.0 and as restored! I filed a complaint with CGC about this certification explaining that this comic had been in the family since the late 1970’s. Was purchased for less than $5 back then, maybe even as low as $1. Would have been no reason for anyone to spend time on any restoration, of any kind. Having conversations with them they couldn't explain to me why it was labeled as restored. But, said I could send it back in to have it re-graded for another fee, of course. I didn’t choose that option. Why should I pay them again to the job they didn’t do, in the first place? Just putting the bogus statement of “restored” on this comic made it completely worthless. I complained to my credit card company that I paid for professional grading and got amateur grading and had the card charge canceled. Which CGC fought, and had reinstated. I’m sure it cost CGC more to reinstate the charge then the amount of the charge. If they would have offered a free regrading I would have gone for that. It would have cost them less then fighting the charge. But, I’m sure that their goal is to never refund or redo. They do have a 30-day money back guarantee, but only if you do not use their services. Finally, I busted the CGC case open, removed the comic, and sent it to CBCS for their certification. They gave it a 7.5 with no mention of it being restored. My opinion is that CGC reputation is totally undeserved, cannot be trusted to do the professional job, and should be avoided by everyone. CGC’s stellar reputation is totally undeserved, cannot be trusted to do the professional job, and should be avoided by everyone.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if they can’t defend it they shouldn’t be marking it.

@davidsalaski9095

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 Exactly! As soon as they said I could send it back I, felt like I was being swindled.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@davidsalaski9095 yeah when you are talking about something as serious as restored tag it better be correct.

I totally AGREE!

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

It seems like a no brainer really. The mental gymnastics they have to go through to call it restoration while humidifying and pressing or tape isn’t is astonishing.

At the end of the day, we are all in this hobby for the history of the books. The stance should be that removal is ok, but addition is not. Cleaning a famous painting does not suddenly make it less valuable, but by the same token drawing a face on it, or cutting a section of the painting out would. The same ideals should apply here.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

100% I think the precedent of something foreign to the book being removed being considered restorative work is crazy.

I'm glad CGC if finally catching the restored books you are trying to slip through 👍

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Your entitled to your thoughts on the matter but I’m willing to bet you aren’t ok with them incorrectly hitting books for restoration that haven’t been treated. Also I’m sure you don’t like the idea of buying a high grade raw book only to have it sent in to come back with a purple label. Or even cracking out a blue label book for a signing only to have it hit. The fact remains that their detection methods are problematic at best even if you truly care about your books being cleaned

I think CGC needs to amend guidance so that removal is okay but not additions to a book. I think the removal of foxing, stains, tanning, and even rust removal from staples should be permitted as long as the staples are the original ones in the original position. Adding colors, adding pages, marrying covers, repairing tears, repairing missing pieces, and leaf casting, I think should be restoration.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I think most people would agree. In the grand scheme of things it shouldn’t matter to someone if dirt is removed. Not sure why taking off food with a dry makeup pad is fine but if you use a wet one it’s restoration.

@jawknee2480

Жыл бұрын

Removal is okay? Isn't trimming removal? Are you okay with trimming?

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@jawknee2480 removal of the actual contents of the book should probably all fall under green in my personal opinion or just be reflected in the grade. If you can have a mouse chew an entire wedge off and still get blue label I don’t know why a straight line removing that same edge should get a purple.

I was very surprised when I saw some U Tubers use magic eraser on comics. I think a lot of these purples are from this. This should be considered chemical cleaning

@hobbyhero6973

5 ай бұрын

Magic eraser is pretty abrasive and will remove gloss on the books very quickly. Not a recommended tool but still don't think I'd put it in the restoration category

I always thought that restoration referred to that something was added to a book. I can understand chemical cleaning being restoration because something is actually being added. Pressing and removal of defects (even if humidity is used) should not fall into this category.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

That is my thoughts exactly!

If I get an old book and the only thing I see as a potential issue is rust on the staples, you better believe I'm gunna to replace them with appropriate staples if for no other reason then to stop the staples from rusting more and possibly staining the pages while it sits in that plastic holder for who knows how long ...the first book I ever got that was graded had rust on the staples and after a few years you could visibility see the rust creeping onto the book ..removing staples and replacing them with era spacific staples that are free from any abnormalities and are cut to the correct size ect. Just insures the integrity of the book .. I would probably go as far as saying even if you just take them out and clean them the right way and there's no pitting on them that's fine too.if it's done properly what are they gunna say "this staple hole looks like it might be bigger then all the rest" that's not exactly proff of anything ..I think baring a bad staples job there's way to much assuming happening to absolutely devastate the value of the book like that.

@hobbyhero6973

8 ай бұрын

I would agree. I don't know anyone who should care that the staples were cleaned off and put back. Like why would that ever matter?

I miss your video boss. Where did you go?

@hobbyhero6973

5 ай бұрын

That is a very long answer. I'm not gone though just on hiatus for a bit.

I’ve never heard of any presser who removed staples, with the implication those staples would be put back in, just to clean/press the book. And if anyone actually does that they’re quite frankly nuts. There’s soo much potential damage you could do to a staple taking it out, and damage to the book. So I’m not sure if you’re just assuming that, or if you’ve actually been in contact with pressers who do that. I certainly don’t know any that would have the balls to fuck with a staple like that. Now if you mean people are taking original staples out and replacing them, which is resto then yeah, people with restorative experience certainly do that. CGC will likely catch that though. To answer your main question, no I don’t consider normal dry cleaning restoration, and I’ve never had issues with any of my books.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I avoid removing staples at all cost but I also know several pressers who remove them pretty regularly for wet cleaning or even just pressing if there are inserts. They are confident enough in their ability but still not for me.

The car analogy is absolutely perfect. Could you imagine if car restorers could only clean their cars with absorene sponges and vinyl erasers or risk getting only half the value for their cars if turtle wax gets detected? BAD restoration should be purple labelled, B and C level, that's for sure, but professional restoration/conservation often makes a book even better than it was, in some cases better than it was off the press. If I had the money, I'd be scooping up every high grade A-level purple label book I could get my hands on as its only a matter of time before CGC changes their tune on wet cleaning and goes with purple labels on books only where there has been additive measures, color touch, piece fill, etc. I don't even think trimming is that big a deal. A purple label because 1/16th of an inch of paper has been removed resulting in a safer to handle, better presenting copy? GTFOOH, CGC and every d-riding purist out there that agrees with them. Anyways, the number one reason I think CGC will cave on wet cleaning is because they'll make a buttload on resubmit/regrades of high-end purple books.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I do think it’s a change that is coming down the line. The detection methods are unreliable at best and speculative at worst. Combine that with the fact that the majority of people don’t care if a book has been cleaned and you will most likely see a change in the future.

The trying to catch ‘em mentality is like a cop giving a ticket for an implied law

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Just seems counterintuitive. Why try and “catch” your consumers. Err on the side of the consumer every time. That’s just business 101.

@sylversyrfer6894

2 ай бұрын

Like being ticketed by police because “ you just LOOK” suspicious.

So CGC says their grading scale has changed over time and will continue to do so. For example with the advent of cleaning and pressing they now grade pressable defects harsher than they used to. Now they are grading more cleaned and pressed books as restored, but hey don't worry if you send it to them to get cleaned and pressed then you can get rid of those defects they grade harsher now and you can get a clean and press that doesn't count as restoration. Funny how every time CGC comes out with a new product or service they change the way they do things so you have to spend money on the new product and service they offer.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if they can monetize it then it will for sure be universal in the future. Just needs to be sooner than later lol

Thank you for this deep dive. If CGC doesn't have strong evidence of "restoration" then they can't put a purple label on it. The only concern I have is the long term effects of the BLED process on the paper of the comic. That being said, in 20 years I probably won't care.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Halving a books value on suspicion is ridiculous. If you feel that strongly then refuse to grade it based on your suspicion and refund the customer but they won’t do that as it effects the bottom line. As for the long term effects of the process there shouldn’t be any continuing degradation. The process has been used for whitening paper for a long time so we would know if there were persisting issues. However the immediate impacts can be severe if people aren’t careful. Adding heat and moisture to paper is never ideal for paper integrity but just like with pressing have to know your limits.

I can really understand why people could careless about the purple labels as for myself I don't get my comics graded due to the fact that I'm into collecting comics for the passion not the money. I have comics that are grails that are low grade and I'm fine with that as long as I have it in my collection at the same token I have grails that are in high grade. My friends always give me sh÷× about not sending my raw high-grades to cgc but they just don't get it I'm in this for the passion and I will never sell my collection. Some things are worth more than money. I've been collecting for almost 40 years these comics are a part of me and they only have one destination after I die and that is to my son and daughter. It has never been about the money.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have a lot of books id never sell personally but my only thing is that when I’m gone I don’t want my family to end up selling them for $1 at a garage sale. Grading helps define the “value” for people with little to no experience

@bnferguson9827

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 both my children are collectors as well it is a family affair it really draws us together and they both know what my collection is worth and they both know what it means to me but I definitely get where your coming from.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@bnferguson9827 that’s awesome! Not everyone has that. A close friend of mine passed while his kids were all very young and his wife had no idea what his stuff was worth. Luckily he had a lot of friends who stepped in to help

@bnferguson9827

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 thank God for that!

Lord Dark Helmet said it best: "CGC will always triumph, because good is dumb"

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I feel like the sooner CGC can monetize cleaning books the better it will be for everyone

I can send my purple label book to CCS, have them cut out some black Sharpie marks and get a blue label, but removing staining without damaging or changing the book in any way is given a purple label? CGC should worry more about detecting absolute fraudulent/fake comic books.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, where is this group of people who care if a book was cleaned and you can’t even tell other than it looks so good!

Hey Charles! Just started getting into comic book cleaning and grading, and loving your channel. You've got lots of great, useful info, and you seem like a really friendly guy! Wanted to offer some feedback by way of audio quality. It seems like you're using a mic that records in stereo (left + right channels) and you're also editing and finalizing your videos in L/R stereo. I would suggest against this. It makes your videos sound "off" - this video has the left channel louder than the right, and it kind of sounds like you're coming from "behind" the viewer rather than in front of them. If you don't understand what I mean, take a listen to any top KZread vlogger's audio and your own, and you'll notice yours sounds "separated". A quick and simple suggestion is just changing your audio tracks to use the same channel (i.e. set them both to left or both to right) - that way, everything will sound balanced. Not sure what audio program you're using to edit but I'd be happy to offer a few tips that will take seconds but will greatly improve your audio, if you're interested. Keep up the great work!

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the advice. I have no idea about any of the technical side of the video making. I use Vegas Pro to edit and use the computer microphone to record most times

People wonder why I don't get my personal collection graded. I think this says it all, I have comics that re over 50 years old that look like they were printed yesterday. Could this possibly be because I took care of them, or is it because some goblin came in the middle of the night and cleaned and pressed them when I was sleeping. I am sure that there are a number of my comics from the late '60s and early '70s that CGC would claim were restored, simple because they are nearly perfect. I don't trust CGC, I never have and this new stance on subjectively deciding if a book has been restored is outrageous. One of the biggest problems I see is every company wants to set their own standards for grading and what is and is not allowed. Oh look there is a book that would be a 9.2 if it weren't for a cut coupon instead of giving it the BLUE LABLE 2.0 it deserves, we'll give it a Green Label 9.2 qualified! Guess what there is an industry standard, it has evolved over the last 53 years by Overstreet. That is the standard that all grading companies should use and if they don't than they have no business trying to set the grade on a comic book! oops, I better get off the soap box now...

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Not a soapbox but the reality is that things should evolve and there should be a third party company out there to help make uninformed people more comfortable purchasing collectibles. Now, I can’t for the life of me figure out why CGC all of a sudden decided that cleaned comic books were a problem and started cracking down on them.

I joined and used CGC from the start. I went to CBCS

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

If CBCS keeps there stance on “cleaned” books I may have to as well.

I can say my three books that Charles worked on last year all came back recently as blue label, still waiting on two others. We'll see. I don't understand why removing a rusted staple and replacing it with vintage staples is put in the same category as adding colour to a comic book cover. If you don't remove the rusted staple it will just continue to destroy the book.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, wish they took the same approach as classic cars.

I’d love to see some examples of the purple labels you have got

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Most of them were not my books. I do have some pics of ones that were sent to me if you want to hit me up on IG

I really don’t understand why a book that has been cleaned by any means and even whitened shouldn’t get a conserved label. What would qualify as a conserved book versus a restored book?

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

That’s the even funnier part; sometimes they do get conserved for it

@bronze_age_barbarian

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 Seems like they need to more clearly define what is conservation versus restoration, if they are going to slab books with both of these labels. People need to know what kind of processes they are classifying in each type of labeling to understand what type of procedures they are willing to use on any given book. Seems like the cleaning and restoration "industry" is evolving faster than CGC and they can't decide what to do about it and are thus approaching it very inconsistently. Unfortunate.....

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@bronze_age_barbarian it’s extremely aggravating. I will send books with tons of work done and all blue labels then one book with light treatment and ban purple.

The point of cgc is to accurately grade and describe the book so the buyer knows what he is receiving

@hobbyhero6973

10 ай бұрын

Think the issue is more their definitions. There is quite a bit of restoration that is not mentioned or listed on the graders notes however the book being cleaned is occasionally listed as such. There is no other collectible that cares about professional cleaning unless it damages the collectible either so not sure why they feel it is necessary to note it unless the book has been harmed by the process.

So how do you feel about this? I had a cgc 9.0 asm 129 blue label. Cracked and had cleaned and press. Nothing drastic. Resubmitted and came back a 9.0 purple label for APPARENT top edge trimmed. But it’s not. Never was. So what do I do next. Crack and resubmit to cgc again. Wait a few months and resubmit. Or go elsewhere.

@hobbyhero6973

8 ай бұрын

Think I've seen your posts going around. It is honestly getting to be a real nuisance. Its getting to the point were I feel like the fact that they have no accountability to prove anything is problematic. They charge fees based on perceived market value yet they can just halve a books value because they feel something is wrong.

@bobbybigfoot1163

8 ай бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 I’m sure you have 😂. I just don’t understand. If it’s trimmed then it’s trimmed. But it was just graded during Covid times at a much higher value as well. I’m going to go over it again. But I just felt like I’ve been seeing more purple labels come out recently

Gets me that CGC can find no specific evidence of cleaning but because they “feel” it looks too good, that it must be “restored.” What utter BS. Wonder what specific financial angle is driving them to do this (because at the end of the day, it’s ALWAYS about the money).

@hobbyhero6973

2 ай бұрын

Well I would imagine they hope people resubmit to try to get them through; which they have.

Yeah, cgc is full of it, so it's subjective. A new company needs to take them down a few notches.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

They definitely have competition now but they are still the value leader by a landslide if you plan to sell

So if they clean the book and press it, then you should reasonably expect it to come back a PLOD. Who would want to use CCS? They will kill the inhouse service. They will literally, in writing, need to promise no PLOD if done inhouse. Especially if they are wiping it down, cleaning and pressing with humidity.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think CGC will use moisture at all in their pressing which is generally why their results are sub par

Friggin' CGC offers clean and press... so does that mean every book they clean and press get a purple label? No.. so why would they give a purple label that was cleaned and pressed elsewhere.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

While that would be hilarious they don’t use any moisture in their pressing so would be hard to cause any of the “tells” but always a possibility

@Erik_Danley

8 ай бұрын

Man great point. Wow this is nuts

Works of art hanging in the Metropolitan Museum of Art here in NYC get cleaned every so often. I don't recall anyone having issues with that. So to are comics works of art. In fact American folk art that tell stories using sequential images that are linked as far back as the caves at Lascaux, France. Why not keep them as nice and presentable as possible? CGC take the stance that dry cleaning and pressing isn't restoration and that's fine by me. I would consider leaf casting, re-glossing and perhaps even wet cleaning as restorative work. Still, I've got to say the wet cleaning technique I've seen used on your channel were a revelation to me as I thought for sure you'd get purpled. I've seen your outstanding work there and I am so instructed. I do also understand your point that CGC is taking it to a weird level if they 'think" a book has been restored without definitive proof. I suppose were at their tender mercies there. I suppose the comic community can take this up en mass and perhaps CGC will relent at some point. Until then, read them enjoy them and collect them by all means! Oh...and Make Mine Marvel!...Silver age, that is. Best to all.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know of any collectible were cleaning is frowned upon provided the item is not harmed. Especially not to the tune of 50% of its value beforehand

@timothymccaffrey3461

Жыл бұрын

I don’t see how wet cleaning is restoration if staples aren’t removed. CGC should allow in its definition of “restoration” for technological advances that allow for cleaning without addition.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@timothymccaffrey3461 my point exactly. How is something looking nicer than you think it should deserving of a purple label

Am i restoring my body when i shower?

@hobbyhero6973

8 ай бұрын

Lol, I don't know I've had some pretty restorative soaks.

What comics are getting these grades? Are they silver, bronze, copper, or modern? Huge difference for comics that have super white pages

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I have now seen all but modern get purple label for cover cleaning. Was sparingly popping up on Silver Age before they started ramping up

@adamadrian3487

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 The reason i ask is i have some copper age books i want to have cleaned and i am looking to avoid this

So you've had a lot of purple labels come back recently? Have you heard from others like berry from comicpresser say they're getting PLODs?

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I have had a number of people reach out to me that started getting them at a much higher rate. Some professional pressers some just casual. I’ve noticed a small uptick on mine but on books were very little work was done where books with major cleaning were still getting blues. That’s kind of the point though is they are all over the place trying to “catch” em

@nerdyoldwoman9651

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 I wonder if CGC is more heavily scrutinizing books submitted by certain individuals.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdyoldwoman9651 you may think that but doesn’t appear to be the case. I’ve seen submissions where 25 out of 25 books were treated and only 12 got hit so clearly even if they are alerted to it they can’t really tell with consistency.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@nerdyoldwoman9651 for the record I’ve also seen 25 books submissions where they were all treated and none were hit.

If what people want is a comic book to display well, why does the color of the label matter? It only matters to sellers who want to get more money with it. I personally don't want to pay for a comic book that has been cleaned the same that one who is looking great without going to any processes. I also do restoration and ALL wet cleaning takes some of the colour away not just the foxing. So, it should be noted that the comic was retouched and CGC does this with a purple label. If someone only cares about the book looking good, they will still buy it.

@hobbyhero6973

8 ай бұрын

The color of the label matters because the market says it does. As for paying less for a comic that has been wet cleaned do you also expect to pay less for a comic that has been dry cleaned and pressed? My guess is you would not. Dry cleaning can remove color and gloss as well and heat pressing can pop staples and fuse pages but again CGC does not consider that restoration. It's just not consistent and the fact that their definition is not consistent or well defined is a pretty big issue.

Dry cleaning, pressing are restoration. Not sure why CGC has this arbitrary line.

@hobbyhero6973

5 ай бұрын

I would agree that they have made it way more difficult than it needs to be. In my opinion it should be all or nothing. I don't personally care if something is removed from the book that wasn't there originally (bends, dirt, etc) but if sometimes its restoration to remove it then it should be all times.

Bottom line, again, when you own the gold you make the rules and you can break or ignore the rules when you wish. Both CGC and CBCS are guilty of these things. However, what are we as the users of their services to do. The only option we can control is not to have a comic slabbed. But as we all know, a comic is always worth more if it is slabbed as opposed to raw with a very few exceptions. This area of the comic community needs more companies to start slabbing that is a popular and somewhat trusted.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they make the rules but have shown they will change them to suit customer demands. As for not grading what happens when you sell that raw book and the person you sell it to gets it graded and it comes back restored? Just needs to change imo unless there is this silent majority I don’t know about who cares if dirt was removed from their comic.

@scottrivers

Жыл бұрын

How about we as collectors stick to the Overstreet guide, leave our books unslabbed and raw to enjoy, and open for the buyer & seller together to determine a proper value to be paid based on Overstreet grading definitions!

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@scottrivers if you never plan to sell them it really doesn’t matter. If you do you open yourself up to the buyer getting graded and coming back to you if they get purple.

Stop letting CGC decide what is restoration... stop sending them your books.

@hobbyhero6973

5 ай бұрын

I've honestly stopped sending anything other than moderns for the time being. Just too much risk sending in older books in right now.

Your Hulk 181 example makes no sense. Keeping in mind it’s just a random example and not something you have an ACTUAL example of. Regardless, they don’t just willy nilly call cleaned books restored. They use devices to look for any kind of cleaning using “chemicals” to do so. A black light would absolutely show chemicals on the cover. If they discover it, then that will come back restored, not sure what your issue is with that lol. It’s resto 🤷‍♂️. And what do you mean about tape? Because archival tape is absolutely still considered restoration, and would come back restored from CGC.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

Cleaning and whitening with H2O2 and H2O are not detectable with any light. If done correctly the only way to tell is speculation. Also in regards to the tape CGC changed their stance on tape back in 2013 to basically ignore the tape if it serves a purpose

he cover cleaning using any solution or a old photography technique using lights to whiten a cover is 100% restoration / conservation. Cgc should be more aware of it and the label should reflect what was done. I would hate to be a buyer of a book that has been color touched or trimmed. Why would whiting paper be any different. These treatments change the fibers of the paper by making them more brittle and breaking them down. I have also seen a a lot of these guys doing it getting more purple labels, as they should be .

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you checking out the video and you are entitled to your opinion. I would ask you this though; do you also consider sun fade restoration? Do you consider spilling a liquid on a book restoration? The answer is probably no you don’t and neither does CGC. I would add that these processes don’t change the fibers of the pages if they did there would be no discussion and CGC would catch them 100% of the time. Heat and moisture can damage paper if paper is already compromised or if not done properly but again heat and moisture aren’t considered restoration either. There is a lot of misinformation out there and only a handful of scientific breakdowns of what is happening to the comics when done properly. If you are interested I’d be happy to point you in the direction of that info.

@comiccompany1470

Жыл бұрын

its funny , you have no idea wjo I am or what type of training / degree I have Unfortunately those are the cgc rules . Those mishaps what you are taking about are mistakes and not purposely done . If you don't think it hurst the paper you are completely wrong and should maybe talk to someone in at the library of congress about paper. Yes even a little heat speeds up the process of paper break down. There is a lot of bad info out there, including your own. You should try to educate yourself correctly. Unless you are trained in paper conservation / restoration , which you clearly are not then, you should check your resources.

@comiccompany1470

Жыл бұрын

I can only hope cgc catches every book that comes through with these techniques done to them . I know they wont but Im really glad they have stepped it up to try. Happy collecting .

@comiccompany1470

Жыл бұрын

dam spell correct on these phones lol

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

So you are kind of making my points for me here. Heat and moisture can damage the paper regardless of how it gets exposed to the comics but my point is we don't consider every (or even most) instances where it happens restoration. I would also assume you don't consider pressing a dangerous restorative measure where heat and moisture are used to flatten the pages. As for CGC catching them all, they are missing far more of these than they are catching and are getting false positives with whatever methods they are attempting to use.

No more cleaning and pressing, keep the books natural, that’s what it’s all about. Cleaning and pressing is just meant for a financial gain.

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

I’ve done several where people just want their childhood books to look nice for display or personal pleasure. People like nice things

@maxmilian7447

Жыл бұрын

@@hobbyhero6973 let’s be honest, people only clean and press these books for “the grade” - people do like nice things, of course. I’m sure an overwhelming majority of the books that are cleaned and pressed are primarily for grading. Happy that they’re finally cracking down on it and holding the mirror up to the people who are trying to alter the condition of their books just to obtain a higher “grade.”

@hobbyhero6973

Жыл бұрын

@@maxmilian7447 feel like your losing me now. Are you saying that condition shouldn’t matter? Because that isn’t the reality of the world. Condition determines value of pretty much everything in the world. The grade is just a third party weighing in on the condition

@Comicbookyoutubersrock

Жыл бұрын

Free country, people should be able to do what they want. If you don’t want your books pressed, then that’s you 👍

@maxmilian7447

Жыл бұрын

@@Comicbookyoutubersrock yes, it’s a free country. 🤓