Have to say, there was one constant theme that kept the animated series relevant, despite the obvious changes. I'm pretty much referring to the respect paid towards New York City and past events that made NYC of the 80's possible. The later, Q5 storylines did manage to pay some homage to city lore. I recall an episode that saw a spectral version of the original Pennsylvania Station come to life where Madison Square Garden had been built. Winston even recalled passing through the structure as a kid. Another episode, from the Slimer centric episodes, had Egon take Slimer to Lincoln Center to watch a live orchestra. He gave Slimer a conductor's baton. Little things like that made me appreciate the love that went into making NYC just as much a character of GHOSTBUSTERS as the 4 jumpsuited pros!❤

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

That's amazing you say that - When I pitched the Ghostbusters comic to IDW (back in 2009) I stated that New York was a "character" just as important as the Ghostbusters themselves! :)

I love that JMS had the last laugh over the Janine changes in that one episode.

The greatest sin that happened to The Real Ghostbusters was the network interference from Q5. ABC literally had the best animated show on television at that time, and they botched it up by listening to educational consultants from the Rand Corporation.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Hence why I bring that up in this particular video...including the never-before-seen revisions for the series bible! :)

@angrychipmunkonfire3

Жыл бұрын

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

@thepastreturns

Жыл бұрын

They (Q5) were bumbling bureaucrat's sent by Walter Peck ! F&$K 'em !

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@angrychipmunkonfire3 - Amen to that! :)

@SuperMarioBrosIII

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV You didn't mention that in Exterme Ghostbusters Janines every changing look had softened or returned closer to her old look albeit not exactly! Plus Slimers role was greatly reduced by the time we would see him on Exterme Ghostbusters. Rumor is that Frank Welker wanted too much money hence why he didn't comeback to voice Slimer⁉👻🚫🪤📺

The old TV adage: "If it ain't broke, fix it anyway." No matter how many times I hear about Q5's meddling, and know how it all plays out, it never ceases to anger me to no end. The needless destruction of an incredible show.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly said - I mean, I've no doubt that The Real Ghostbusters in its original form would've eventually ran it's course - BUT after the changes were made, as the seasons progressed, regardless of the talent involved, it really felt like they were dragging the show along, kicking and screaming...

@WOLVERINE25TH

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Absolutely. Popularity is finite. Even the Ninja Turtles died down by the mid-90s. Most likely RGB would have ended when it actually did regardless, but it would've done so on a much higher, less Slimer-centric note.

Her first design and voice was very much better and it really annoyed me how they changed it, Janine was my childhood crush growing up until they ruined her. SMH 🤦🏽‍♂️

@cerealgeekTV

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, when Janine changed (both in appearance and voice) the show lost something special...:(

@InvestedGman

4 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Agreed 😔

Absolutely fantastic video! I'm in the same boat, any episode past the Lorenzo and Laura era I can't fully get on board.

@MrJohnffrey87

Жыл бұрын

David Coulier makes Peter sound like such a dumbass and probably as a result of that the writers made him less intelligent.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I guarantee there are MANY people like us! :)

Thank you again James for demystifying things from my past. By the time TRGs hit my screen, my family had relocated away from the metro area, and the programming I witnessed would chop and change a lot. Regional networks didn't have the budgets to buy and televise new series as they premiered in the US or elsewhere. I still to this day don't remember seeing a full run of Filmation's Ghostbusters, before TRGs started to be shown. Also noticing the show was never the same after that first season. This pretty much explains everything. Thank you very much!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video - Over here in the UK we never had Filmation's Ghostbusters air on terrestrial television...though I DO recall seeing one video release in our local video store...:)

@KasumiKenshirou

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV I was in America and also never saw Filmation's Ghostbusters. The first time I became aware of the Filmation version was when my brother and I were in Goodwill (a second-hand store) looking at the toys, and we saw these weird toys that said "Ghostbusters" but had nothing to do with the cartoon we watched on TV. Unlike most toys in this store, these were still in the box and must've been donated by stores that couldn't sell them.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@KasumiKenshirou - My father was the one to alert me to the forthcoming REAL Ghostbusters cartoon - I'll have to turn the lil' anecdote into a video at some point! :)

I remember that CITV did reach these later seasons, when they retooled the show so a Slimer spin-off aired directly after it, only I don't think we got 'Slimer', so the revamped titles and end credits didn't make sense to me. I'm sure you'll cover the Slimer shorts in another video

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we never had the Slimer shorts...but I STILL remember when one of those Saturday morning shows (Motormouth or Ghost Train) began airing the episodes with Coulier and Soucie...I was SO disappointed - I don't ever recall seeing the episodes with the fourth version of Janine until someone on-line sent me those later episodes... - As for the Slimer cartoons...I will indeed make a video essay about that show...and it may catch a few people off guard! :)

My favorite season episodes were FLIP SIDE, STANDING ROOM ONLY, ROBO-BUSTER. It's hard to pinpoint the seasons because they were always being numbered differently depending on the source

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

GREAT episodes - But yeah, I remember thinking every season was simply a season...until I worked on the Time-Life set and was told by those that oversaw the show that season one was the first 13 episodes...the syndicated season was the next 65...and then season two was when the changes were implemented... - Wikipedia has it all wrong! :)

@pferreira1983

3 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV It'll always be seven seasons to me.

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

For the longest time it was to me...until those that worked on the show corrected me! :) - Also, it's more awesome to highlight that The Real Ghostbusters was the only cartoon during that time that had a first season AND a syndicated season run at the same time - Still blows my mind! :)

@pferreira1983

3 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV But has it been confirmed Season 1 and 2 ran at the same time? I never understood why so few episodes were made for Season 7 anyway.

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

Yup - I spoke to the folks at DiC - Even Wikipedia contradicts itself, saying that the syndicated episodes carry a 1986 date, but aired in 1987...THAT is not how production works! :) - I have many of the duplication cards for when the syndicated episodes were ready to air...and they also carry the 1986 date...

I'm happy I followed the link to this channel. I'm really liking these videos.

@cerealgeekTV

Ай бұрын

Hey, thank you for the kind words - I hope you enjoy exploring and watching the videos! :)

I did not even know this, and this Ghostbusters series is on my watchlist. Having only watched an episode here and there back in the day.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

As I say in the video, the first season and the syndicated season are great! :) - As soon as the voice actors change, run away...

@antoniusyoutube

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV That's not great to hear. Thanks as always for your efforts, James.

@Grim2

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Eeeehh... not as soon as that. If anything, there are some nice pieces of animation to be witnessed (as you've stated in the vid). But once the music and colour pallet of the entire show got revamped (namely the last two seasons)... THAT'S the point at which one's to run away. :D The quality spiraled down so bad in season 6 that it literally killed the show. Sez something when the last season had only four eps...

@KasumiKenshirou

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV "If Peter has Garfield's voice, you've made the right choice. If he sounds like Coulier, throw it away."

Project A-ko in the intro. Crazy what they did to Janine. One of my favorite Jeanine scenes she says oh Egon take care and blows him a kiss then slimer kisses her she replied ugh Slimer cool the kissing!!

@cerealgeekTV

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, "Killerwatt" features that scene that seems to be somewhat based on the introduction sequence! :)

This video proves JMS was right, Q5 were liars! A pity ABC listened to them and not the success Season 1 had on Saturday Mornings on THEIR channels. Also it didn't help that Bull Murray was being a jerk it would seem (in regards to Peter's recasting). EDIT: He actually wasn't, my bad! Also it was great that JMS did NOT acknowledge that stupid sub-plot from Ghostbusters II where Janine was in a relationship with Lewis, no offense to the guy but yeah I'm more for JanineXEagon for sure. It's awesome that your great friends with Laura and that photo with you, her and frank at the end looked amazing. :) For sure this story about how RGB changed in those later seasons needed to be told. :)

@KasumiKenshirou

Жыл бұрын

Has it ever been confirmed that Murray demanded the role be recast, or did he just say "Huh, he sounds more like Garfield than me," and then someone else overreacted? The reason I ask this is that I heard a story about Stan Lee criticizing a drawing of Iron Man by saying, "Where's his nose", meaning that his mask had been drawn in such a way that a human with a nose could not possibly fit under it. Someone misunderstood what he meant and for a while Marvel was drawing a nose on Iron Man's mask. (I think this even carried over into the Mego dolls that were made during this period.) Something similar is when they made Sulu gay in the Star Trek reboot movies, and were then surprised when George Takei did not approve of this change, stating "Takei is gay. Sulu is not." The people making the movie just ASSUMED he'd always wanted Sulu to be gay and didn't actually bother to ask him. But Murray has acted like an a-hole before, so him demanding a recasting could've happened, too. I remember the events of Ghostbusters II only ever being acknowledged in a single episode. Someone says, "Hey, remember when we fought Vigo and we had that mood slime?", and then they use the mood slime, which IIRC did stuff that it didn't do in the movie, like give a mood-slimed person the ability to fly.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the cartoon did kind of ignore the Janine/Louis sub-plot from Ghostbusters 2...all the characters did seem to be in one another's company...for a time...until Louis was written out...poor guy! :)

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

With regards to Bill Murray...I was told the story first hand by a few former DiC staff members when I worked on the Time-Life boxset - But yeah, I do agree that it was probably a passing comment made by Murray...that was acted upon (in an overreaction) by the executives...

@David315842

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV That I think was for the best as we were more used for Janine wanting Egon. (Again nothing against Louis, it was just what we were used to). At least he was a playable character in New Ghostbusters II for the NES. :D

@David315842

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Thanks for letting me know, I just added my error to the last comment. It does seem more likely that Murray was making a joke and as you say the executives at DiC thought he was being serious and so 'that' happened. Hopefully Dan Ackroyd wasn't too offended with Ray being slightly chubby, though they fixed that later on regardless.

I do like that one design of Janine where she has longer hair down to her shoulders, her hair is in a 1sided type of a wave and her glasses are bigger and rounder. Damn I thought she was "WOW! CUTE!" and she sure caught my attention when I was young!

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

Apologies for kind of taking that design to task in this video...:)

Great video, James! As a kid I was very disappointed and confused when Janine lost her edge. It felt a little bit like „The Body Snatchers“ or „Invaders from Mars“. It makes you kind of paranoid (Mom and Dad don‘t know what‘s going on anyway but somebody replaced the woman in my favorite show, and nobody notices?!), so no small wonder that JMS‘s lovely retcon episode worked so fine - he really cared for the characters and the audience! And so, all these years later, your video is still very therapeutic. :D Thanks!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU for the VERY kind words about the video, Sebastian! :)

they did the same with the animated batman series. they messed up the joker. stay to the formula that works

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Amen! :)

@lucaschannel726

Ай бұрын

But wasn’t the new Batman adventures consider by every fan to be the best season of Btas with the only issue being the artstyle?

I think neve Campbell said it best in scream Don't f@#$ with the original!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Amen to that! :)

Another great vid. I knew a lot of this information from other deep dives, but thank you for focusing on Janine. She was great. Since I was more a Real Ghostbusters fan than of the movie, I actually preferred these versions of the characters. And then they had to mess up the show 😡

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

It's crazy - 78 episodes...a winning formula...and then they decide to change it - SO bloody sad! :(

Love this.. great job.. would love to have you on our show sometime

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

That sounds like fun - You can reach me on Twitter - @cerealgeek - Hit me up! :)

Another fantastic video my friend! The Janine voice change especially hits a different chord. I mostly associate Kath Soucie with Linka from Captain Planet and she is a talented voice actress, but in this case they needed to have kept Janine as-is.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jukka - Kath Soucie is SUPREMELY talented as a voice actress...but yeah...I don't think she ever stood a chance voicing Janine after Laura Summer had OWNED the role for seventy-eight episodes! :)

JMS's autobiography _Becoming Superman_ reveals a bit more, including exchanges with a network or Q5 type who tried to pull out their psychology credentials to shut down objections to the notes. It didn't work as JMS has a degree in psychology. Stellar shutdown right out of a screenpkay.

@cerealgeekTV

4 ай бұрын

Q5 were just a waste of time - DiC should NEVER have entertained their ridiculous ideas! :(

It’s been ages since I’ve watched these episodes. I didn’t remember Janine having so many design changes.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Towards the end of the series, it gets ridiculous, with the last two designs feeling so close to one another...

@SuperMarioBrosIII

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Only ABC aired the ever-changing Janine seasons as the weekday afternoon aired the syndicated episodes only so Janine's hairdo and voice remained for those episodes! Unless you count the redubbed episodes that Uncle Joey and Kath Soucie would later do replacing Laura Summer and Lorenzo Music. 🤔🙄🤨🗣

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperMarioBrosIII - Yeah, for the longest time in the UK we had no idea how syndicated/network shows worked - I still find it frustrating that Wikipedia lists the syndicated season as season two - When I worked on the Time-Life DVD boxset, and met many of those that worked on the show, they really stressed that the syndicated series was very much its own thing...with season two being the resumption of the series on ABC! :)

A really informative video, thank you James. Sadly it seems people have learnt nothing when it comes to the mistakes of the past and will still attempt to "fix" what was never broken.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

These days I think it's more about "creators" wanting to leave their "mark" on an existing IP - The amusing thing is, decades from now, people will STILL be going back to the 1980s versions of these shows! :)

@Shnarfblat

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV I completely agree. I think that era spanning the late seventies to the mid nineties was the most inventive when it came to animation, as most things since have felt derivative of that era.

This is such a great video!! Janine is my fave. The original look and voice are still it for me. Recalling back, no one ever understood why she was changed and I can assure you that none of the reasons from the network were anything we were concerned about. But, I do love that they gave us the "Janine, You've Changed" episode.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I still remember the first time I saw the new Janine and heard that voice (alongside Venkman's new voice)...I was immediately put off...:(

@SuperMarioBrosIII

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV How about thanks to Q5 rebranding the show to Slimer and The Real Ghostbusters! Just imagine how much longer and better the show could have been if this never happened? We need a Scooby Doo and The Real Ghostbusters crossover movie!🐕‍🦺👻🚫🙏

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperMarioBrosIII - Actually, from all the research I've done, Q5 didn't themselves suggest rebranding the show...that was the choice of DiC - Though no doubt Q5's meddling elsewhere led to the prompting of the title change! :)

Excellent video and it was very annoying how Q5 took control of a successful animated series. I appreciate how you included their notes on the altered Janine model sheet. You can read tones of misogyny in the corrupted Q5 Series Bible. The video thumbnail art is great, and I liked your comments about her lazy design in the final episodes. The overseas crew just cheaply drew circles as her frames, with no color or effort! I'm glad that both Lorenzo Music and Laura Summer continued to have voice work after they were unfairly removed from a great show. I think that Q5 stuck around at ABC, because in 1996 Disney's Gargoyles was heavily altered for their Saturday morning episodes.🙄

@KasumiKenshirou

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if Q5 had anything to do with the Gargoyles changes. There is no shortage of meddling idiots in the entertainment industry.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words about the video - The thumbnail was laid out by me and illustrated by Dusan Mitrovic, who does a lot of behind the scenes work on this channel! :)

Never watched this show when I was a kid, but this mini-documentary was excellent.

@CartoonCommotion

Жыл бұрын

Totally worth watching!

@stevenbootes1979

Жыл бұрын

@@CartoonCommotion Yeah I'm thinking of watching Season 1 and the syndicated season anyway!

@KasumiKenshirou

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenbootes1979 Yes, and it's really easy to tell when the good episodes are over, due to the voice changes discussed in the video.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words - And YES, do check out any episodes from the first and syndicated season...there are SO many great episodes! :)

Yeah it was awful to endure as a child. Same with the changes the made to Freddy and Wilma on the Flintstones kids.

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

I will admit to not being aware of those changes - I'll have to check 'em out! :)

Great stuff. RGB is definitely the best animated show of the 80s…until it was ruined. You got a sub from me!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Steven - Be sure to check out some of the other videos relating to The Real Ghostbusters! :) - Actually, thinking about it, I really should create a playlist...

Great video.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you - And just so you know (looking at your avatar), Captain Shiner will be making an appearance on this channel...on the 20th May...you have been warned! :)

@BooshmanLee

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Oh dear, that sounds ominous. I'll look forward to it!

Same here, I have the German DVD set, I've barely gone past episode 90, I just skip onto Extreme Ghostbusters, which I again have the German set, as our UK DVD set censors several episodes... for literally no reason, again!! I'll be getting the German Blu-Ray set soon, as I need the shelve space and the DVD set is rather bigger!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

There are some good episodes after the syndicated season...but, yeah, those new voices make it a bit of a chore...:(

Apparently, even Ivan Reitman was to blame for why Lorenzo was replaced. Co-executive producer Michael Gross said that animated Peter's voice "Bothered Ivan a bit".

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

That's disappointing to hear...:(

What syndicated season? I remember all the seasons aired on ABC, even Slimer & the Real Ghostbusters.

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

The syndicated season was the 65 episodes that ran alongside the first ABC network episodes - It was something I wasn't even aware of (as we don't have syndication over here in the UK) until I met those that worked on the show - That's why there are two initial series bibles (one by Len and Chuck for the ABC first season, and one by Straczynski for syndication, which allowed for less Slimer and more horror)! :)

She's 1 of my favorite cartoon babes!!!

@cerealgeekTV

10 ай бұрын

Miss Melnitz is simply fantastic! :)

I've never understood why the episodes featuring Lorenzo Music were dubbed in Dave Coulier's voice. Really, what was the point of that? Also, couldn't they find another voice actor who didn't sound silly? Or did they select that type of voice actor on purpose? It gives the impression that Peter never takes anything seriously.

@cerealgeekTV

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'll just never understand anyone in production being okay with Coulier's voice for Peter Venkman...

say what you want, I actually preferred Dave Coulier over Lorenzo Music. but I do agree with you on Laura Summer. I loved her Janine.

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

That's fair enough about Coulier - I think Summer will always be favored for Janine, because Soucie's Janine was almost written like a completely different (forgettable) character...until the bobbed hairstyle version, where she seemed to reclaim some of the edge that the original had! :)

So it wasn’t just Sledge Hammer! The ABC execs tried to mess with. I remember as a kid never being able to enjoy The Real Ghostbusters after the voice of Venkman changed.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I still remember as a kid the first time I heard a Coulier/Soucie episode...I was immediately put off...:(

@AndrewNeilFalconer

Жыл бұрын

Did you know who Bill Murray was and how he sounded when you were a kid?

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewNeilFalconer - Yeah...I'd seen the movie on the big screen, and my parents were huge fans of his work - But yeah, when I tuned in to watch a new episode one Saturday morning and Coulier's voice was heard...shortly followed by Soucie's Janine...something just didn't feel right - I even remember the episode being "Baby Spookums"...and given the episodes were often shown out of order over here in the UK, turned out that was actually the season two premiere episode! :) - Though, over here in the UK, at the time, we had no idea there was such a thing as TV show "seasons"...

@mikekz4489

Жыл бұрын

Who in the world were Q5 getting opinions on The Real Ghostbusters from? So disheartening.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@mikekz4489 - It would've been "research"...a room full of children watching a few episodes - And from THAT the entire future of the series was determined...

Too many re-invents are no good. The Real Ghostbusters is a great cartoon but after season 5 it really started to be a bit strange and never the same.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

When they introduced the new theme song, changed numerous little designs (like the Proton packs and guns being primarily blue), and replaced Shuki Levy as the composer for the series, it really does feel like a different show...:(

I subbed to this channel based on the bad ass intro alone.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Jay - I hope you enjoy all the content I've thus far created! :)

@jaychild78

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Marathon incoming!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@jaychild78 - LOVE it! :)

Forgot Silverhawks.

@cerealgeekTV

11 ай бұрын

Well, I didn't think it was particularly relevant in an episode about Janine Melnitz! :)

This man speaks the truth.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Thank you - I do my best! :)

Honestly with all the bullshit creators had to deal with from broadcast networks it's no wonder they all jumped ship to syndication and cable networks and let Saturday Morning cartoons die a slow death.

@cerealgeekTV

4 ай бұрын

VERY true - The somewhat ironic thing is that Ghostbusters had a season of syndication which aired alongside ABC's season one...the popularity of which led to the changes when it went back to ABC for season two...:(

What a shame, the way the network did this show so dirty. Those earlier episodes are stellar, but when things changed, it was for the worst. Replacing Lorenzo Music (a crime in and of itself, no matter how you cut it) with Dave Coulier, softening up Janine, the heavier focus on Slimer...all terrible decisions. It really says something that while I have the Time Life steelbook box set, the later volumes are still in shrink-wrap!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

YES, those later DVDs rarely get any airtime in my household...:)

Great examination! I hate Q5. 😅

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah...and ABC was just as much to blame...they didn't HAVE to enforce those Q5 changes...but they chose to! :(

@CartoonCommotion

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV True. That aspect is hardly ever talked about as much. Well ABC called them in to do this terrible thing too, right?

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@CartoonCommotion - The decision making from top to bottom was pretty rough on this occasion...:(

@kingbeef66

5 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV I hate it when suits horn in on the project.

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

We see it even today...sadly...:(

I liked Mr. Spook.

@cerealgeekTV

9 ай бұрын

It's fair to say that MANY of us did! :)

This was fantastic and I agree. just wasn't the same

@cerealgeekTV

6 ай бұрын

Thank you - The really frustrating thing is that there are GOOD episodes after those first 78...but as soon as I hear those voices...it just makes me lose interest! :( - Kind of like when, every once in a while, one of the voice actors for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was unavailable...and so they'd have a replacement for an episode or two...it was never quite the same...

@WarlockHVN

6 ай бұрын

I watch the show regularly at night when the wife and I are settling down for bed and I'm always STILL amazed at how well written the first batch of shows were. I always tell fellow nostalgia warriors that there are many cartoons from growing up in the 80s that don't quite hold up as much as I want them to, but you better believe The Real Ghostbusters still does! @@cerealgeekTV

Changing the voice of Janine was a bad idea but they really ruined the show by removing Lorenzo Music as Peter.

Okay. Remind me why the guys didn’t notice her changes?

@cerealgeekTV

11 ай бұрын

Egon states that Makeoveris Lotsabucks, through the power of her dark magic, was able to mask Janine's changes from the Ghostbusters...:)

@allysanchez5630

11 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV thank you.

Love Jeanette shes one of my favorite

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I think she's a favorite of many! :)

*bes jelly that you're ackshually frends with Laura Summer and got to talk to Frank "the Voice God" Welker* @.@

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

As I say in the video, Laura Summer IS awesome...and Frank Welker...he was just a pleasure to meet and be around...and watching him in the recording booth was fantastic! :)

@shebakoby

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV man you are so lucky you seem to be in the right places at the right times :3

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@shebakoby - It's less about that, and more about me working hard for decades to get to a point where companies hire you to work on projects because they know you care about the end result - And, at times, those same projects lead to making rather wonderful connections that afford even more wonderful opportunities...like getting to know Laura Summer and meet Frank Welker...or going to Lou Scheimer's house! :)

@shebakoby

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV man i wish i knew how to get into that line of work but I'm like 50 now it's prolly too late lol

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

@@shebakoby - I was hired by Mattel (freelance) back in 2001...when I was a sprightly 24 year old...seems like a lifetime ago now! :)

15:03 Kinda hypocritical that they slimmed Ray down. Considering the franchise made billions of dollars off of sugary foods.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Good point! :)

Wow! You're actual friends with Laura Summer, and she got you to meet Frank Welker himself! That's friggin' awesome. Anyway, I totally agree with you that Summer was the much better voice for Janine because she captures Annie Pott's attitude, and New York accent perfectly. While I've enjoyed Kath Soucie in other cartoons, she just wasn't as good as Laura Summers was at voicing Janine. I'm A little indifferent between Lorenzo Music, and Dave Coulie, but I'll give the slight edge to Lorenzo, and I'll just stick with Coulie holding his 'Mr. Woodchuck' puppet.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Kath Soucie is awesome is many, MANY roles...especially during the nineties! :) - But yeah, I was never a fan of her Janine, primarily because Laura Summer had done SUCH a wonderful job! :)

@SuperMarioBrosIII

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV I have every Janine Melnitz figure ever produced including the very rare Ecto Glow Janine! 🤗❤🙏👍

Leave it to Disney/ABC to find things problematic even back in the 80s.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

It's SO bizarre - The show was doing SO well...and yet all these changes were recommended AND implemented...:(

My second "cartoon crush" after Velma. Why do people always try to fix something that ain't broken? I saw only a handfull RGB episodes because they weren't broadcasted in Poland, only some short VHS release. Anyway: you're doing a great job. Many questions from my childhood have been answered :)

@cerealgeekTV

9 ай бұрын

Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video! :) - But I'm sorry to hear that the series wasn't broadcast in Poland...

@mkozlinski

9 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV It kinda sucks whe you didn't watch certain shows being at certain age. Luckily I'm not very mature now anyway 🤣

I still think Q5's was sent in to sabotage the show. Why would one try to "rescue" the highest rated cartoon at the time?

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I think there's some legitimacy in what you say...it's SO perplexing as to why a successful show needed "examining"...:(

@teddybeer6206

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Not just a successful show. it was THE most successful show of the time. It was getting rave reviews and was highly praised by kids AND adults.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I think the fact that it was running on a Network AND in syndication at the same time tells us everything we need to know! :)

@VahanNisanian

Жыл бұрын

The story goes that ABC was dead last in the ratings in the terms of their Saturday Morning programming (behind CBS & NBC), and that they were looking for a way to improve those ratings. But I'm sure instead of hiring Q5, there was a way to do it without interfering with anything. If you know what they could have done instead, can you let me know?

@teddybeer6206

Жыл бұрын

@@VahanNisanian If you're trying to save a falling block of Saturday morning cartoons, you try to have your shows be in the vain of your most successful show (great writing) you don't touch your most successful cartoon by far and mess it up.

Here's the thing that is really sexist about Q5's comments about Janine needing to be more motherly; being MOTHERLY doesn't mean that you can't be sassy or authoritative but apparently, that's what those dipshits believed, that femininity and strength can not converge. And this isn't a shot at people who are more sweet like version 2 of Janine is. There's nothing wrong with that personality AT ALL but; 1) It's not Janine 2) It was only put in because Q5 deemed the original personality as being not up to their standards. If anything, Q5's choice in the matter is both insulting to more outgoing personalities AND people who are more perky because they were viewing both not as people but some sort of weird placement to keep kids 'safe'. If anything, their view on Janine being motherly and therefor 'non-threatening' implies that they think that her softer personality is more 'approachable' because she MUST be too passive to talk back now, right? Because anyone who is like that is just a pushover, RIGHT? It's like a creep picking a 'nice girl' because they assume she's easier to control while being threatened by the more forward girl and ending up being wrong about both. How could a group like that think they were improving things? This is one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to how people handle female characters back then and even now; they always have to be 'RESEARCHED" and picked apart while the guys usually gets off scott-free, depending on their roles and this isn't me complaing about the guys either. A lot of times I ended up connecting with male characters more even though I'm a woman because OF THEIR FLAWS. Groups like Q5 and other terrible writers either make the female characters overly flawless or overly bland because having any sort of flaws would be considered an issue for certain people when it's what makes us human. It's why the original Janine was so great. She wasn't 'flawless'. She was snappy, she was witty but she was charming as hell and sweet. What Q5 made in response to that was someone that almost feels like they only made to control and feel like they had credit in creating. They wanted to feel like they had the credit for making the 'appropriate female character' for TV when they just messed up one of the most memorable ones. Sorry for the wall of text but I loved the video. And if I'm not mistaken, Q5 may have also played a hand in what happened with Pound Puppies since a similar 'tonal shift' happened there as well and Nose-Marine, the Southern belle and second in command to the crew, was suddenly made more 'motherly' as well, right down to always wearing an apron. Like I said, Q5's view of mothers was more backwards than they thought because even by 50s standards that wasn't what it was like in real life and there were often depictions where the 'mother figure' WAS more forward. It's like they took one BAD example and assumed everything followed that formula when they DIDN'T. Edit: that....2nd second read through. How the hell can they describer her as wanting her to NOT be for season 2 a victim but then complain that she fought alongside the guy a full sentence earlier?! THEY JUST CONTRADICTED THEMSELVES right there because she clearly wasn't a victim if she was capable enough to go with the guys to bust ghosts!

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

LOVED reading this comment - I do believe that, somehow, Q5 thought they were doing the right thing...not because it was right in the eyes of those working on the show, or the audience that had already made the show a hit...but because their "research" would've implied that their decisions were "correct" - They probably did have kids in a room watch a few episodes...and from that "research" determine the future of the show... - At the end of the day, consultancy firms are generally pointless - They are hired by companies as a good look...whilst the consultancy firms go out of their way to make recommendations, not for the good of the company that employs them, but because they have to be seen to be effective... - Interesting to hear about Pound Puppies - I know for a FACT that Q5 made changes to Defenders of the Earth - The original pilot had Flash with a daughter and the Phantom with a son - Q5 suggested swapping the sexes for "reasons"...and so Flash ended up having a son, and the Phantom now had a daughter...it's crazy...

I preferred the way she looked in the first couple seasons, she was much prettier and sexier, her redesign was a lot less attractive.

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

It's bizarre that those in charge believed her original design to be unappealing - As a kid I thought her design was SO wonderfully striking...and still do! :)

Next time I see Bill Murray I'm gonna give him a piece of my mind for such a stupid complaint about Lorenzo Music. Dave Coulier was lame, and did the same impression of Bill that Bill's brother used in that Driving School movie.

@Grim2

Жыл бұрын

Don't be surprised if Bill goes "HUH?!"... :P

@cerealgeekTV

Жыл бұрын

I remember hearing from either someone that worked on the show, or Dave Coulier himself, that his Peter Venkman voice was based on Bill Murray's role as the greenskeeper in Caddyshack...SO weird...

@JerkDouglas

Жыл бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV Ah ha! One thing I noticed, is that Bill's younger brother John Murray had a pretty much identical impersonation when he was starring in that movie "Moving Violations".

If I had to guess, I think they were trying to make Janine too much like Dana Barrett from the movies with the changes.

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

It doesn't mention that in the series bible...BUT...that is a REALLY good take and makes a lot of sense, because in many ways Janine in season two is VERY much like Dana! :)

I preferred the second Janine's nicer, less nasal and less New-York accent, and better appearance.

@cerealgeekTV

4 ай бұрын

Interesting to hear that opinion - What did you think of the Janine's that followed? :) - The bobbed-hair Janine was my second favorite after the first...

@cerealgeekTV

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! :)

@johnballard5547

5 ай бұрын

@@cerealgeekTV your welcome bro.