Celtic Source: Gaels and Picts
Fifteen hundred years ago, northern Britain was home to many cultures, perhaps the most important being the Gaels and the Picts, two originally distinct peoples that came together to lay the foundations of modern day Scotland. But who were they and what finally united them?
Oops, made a mistake, it was the Angles of Bernicia, not the Saxons, later absorbed into Northumbria.
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On the mystery of how the numerically inferior Gaels imposed their language onto the Picts I speculate that the Gaelic language carried more prestige than the Pictish language because it was the language of Christianity. Also, because Gaelic was a written language (unlike Pictish) it would have been a very powerful tool for the ruling class.
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, perhaps. Aristocracy also played an important role. Power passing from one elite to another regardless of the territory and populace sizes.
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
3 жыл бұрын
It was just bythonic celtic like welsh
@molecatcher3383
3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnMartin-jx1wz Obviously Gaelic was/is not Bythronic. Most think that Pictish had at least one language similar to Bythronic (mainly from place names) however there is some speculation, perhaps because of the Ogham writing on Pictish stones, that there was another, non-Celtic, language being used as well. The language scholar W.F.H. Nicolaisen speculates that some of the Scottish river names are indo-european but not Celtic - possibly from Bronze Age Beaker Folk.
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
3 жыл бұрын
@@molecatcher3383 Yes it is all a bit of a mystery. Saxon culture had the dharma of the hindus.
@kamion53
2 жыл бұрын
@@molecatcher3383Is it not that those Scottish river names are pre Indo-european. Rivernames are pretty resilient to change of name. So when the inhabitants of the Scottish lands started to speak Celtic they kept the names the rivers had a very long time. Before speaking Celtic they maybe spoke a language that had more in common with Basque or Iberian. The Scottish lands were probably the last region that switched from a pre indogermanic language to the Indogermanic Celtic and kept more ancient words and forms then the Celtic speaking people from the south.
Another great video, thank you. The name of my son is Gael. This was also an interesting way to find out more about the origins of his name (Coincidently, his grandmother's name is Alba).
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome.
Calming and informative
@CelticSource
Жыл бұрын
thanks
Super interesting! Was always curious about the history of the peoples of Scotland and this nicely sums it up.
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it.
Brilliant! Thank You for this 'Video', the Presentation, and Information!!!
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
No problem.
Excellent video! Really concise and to the point. 💯
Can’t find a better video on this time period thank you brother 🙏🏼
@CelticSource
Жыл бұрын
My pleasure.
Great video. Many thanks.
Thanks. I've been wondering about this.
@CelticSource
Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome.
I have reached the conclusion the Picts as well as Celts in general were Scythian or at least "part-Scythian" in nature, this convenient umbrella term essentially meaning more archaic and semi-nomadic horse cultures from eastern Europe that most if not all Europeans descend from. Perhaps the picts retained more elements of this archaic and shamanic Scythian culture, the way they are talked about as being wild in that sense in the Tain suggests that, plus there were long theories about the language being pre-PIE in nature. It is possible as is the case with Balkan languages (like that of Liburnians) or possibly the Ligures that the language was Celtic but a mix of that and pre-PIE language.
@lesterjohnston8888
2 жыл бұрын
Listen I'm so called picts & and no one really knows
Educational and entertaining.
Great video. I would like to see more about where the Gaels originate from, and their diaspora in ancient times that brought them to Ireland & Scotland.
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
I touch on that in the very first video of this series: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6eZmbx6e7iTe6g.html
Diolch Gwilym, diddorol iawn. Was Pictish language the Brythonic language but without the Latinisms which came into Brythonic and then the gramatical changes which was caused by a bilingual and diglossic situation which would have existed south of Hadrian's Wall. That is, was Pictish a more conservative and original Brythonic?
@CelticSource
2 жыл бұрын
Efallai cyn y Rhufeiniaid, ond mae enghreifftiau o ddylwanwad Lladin ar rai o'r cerrig Ogham os gofia i'n iawn.
GREAT OVERVIEW, Thanks
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful.
Good info
Thank you
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
In Old Belgica the first language after the Neatherthalers was a Belgian P Celtic language, old Gaul was a Q Celtic language, in the time of the pre celts there was a landbridge between the Flemish coast and North-East France, the channel did not exist. Pre Celts came in from that landbridge in the summer while hunting Reindeers. The ice melted and the landbridge Ireland Wales was one, there stil was a landbrige between old Belgica and the UK. Then afterwards the channel existed. There where 4 little invasion Of Belgian Celts of Old Belgica from the seaside of Old Belgica into certain areas of the UK, Belgian celts have founded Winchester and lived on the Island of White and north of the Island of White, 3 Belgian Celtic tribes together with the Britisch pre celtic tribes of other areas.
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Bruno.
Yes! Very interesting! Thank you. Which existing language do you believe is most likely closest to Pictush?
Great synopsis! There's a trick to the Scottish/Gaelic pronunciation of Alba. Al-uh-pah. Feel free to correct my Welsh any time you hear me going astray!
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the correction :) I'm being lazy and Welshifying everything (thought I could just about get away with it, too . . .).
@macnacailli
4 жыл бұрын
@@CelticSource Is that a Scooby Doo reference :-D
Great video. I think there's a suspicion that Alba / Alban was always the name the Picts used to refer to themselves, and the switch from Pictland to Alba was really just a switch from the Latin exonym to the native endonym. In which case the claim of 1st king of Scotland should really go back to the semi legendary early kings of Pictland.
@jamescarruthers1967
2 жыл бұрын
@@bilstrude maybe, though that's still far short of the area now know as Scotland. All of the central belt, boarders, Dumfries and Galloway, and possibly the islands were outside of his kingdom. If the addition of the Gaelic areas of the West coast are important, why not look at the Pictish kings from before Dal Riata was founded? If a united Pictish Kingdom is the defining step, you could argue they first became united (or at least allied) as a single people in opposition to the Romans. And we know the name of the leader under which that happened (or at least what the Romans called him) - Calgacus
@jamescarruthers1967
2 жыл бұрын
@@bilstrude got a notification for your last comment, but for some reason can't see it...?
@jamescarruthers1967
2 жыл бұрын
@@bilstrude where does the idea of Alba as lower Pictland come from? Never read that before. I like the idea of it being related to the Greek Albion, which I assume was a Grecicised (is that the right word? Greekified?) version of a native name. The name possibly only survived in Pictland because it was the only area without significant Roman influence... If correct, that would imply it was a name for the land or people as a whole, not an individual tribe.
@bilstrude
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamescarruthers1967 the lower pictland term was mentioned in one of the archaeology lectures here on KZread, I'm not sure how common it's usage is, but we do know the "Picts" were a collection of multiple tribes. Regarding Albion / Alba, from what I've read this means white and was originally used as a term to refer to the whole of Britain- possibly related to the white cliffs of the southern coasts; with Ireland being Hibernia( and occupied by the scotti). Apparently the Irish (scotti ) called themselves Goidi l' (Gails) and it was they who later called Scotland 'Alba'. One has to remember our knowledge comes from the cultures who had writing, so predominantly Greek and Roman, before written records started to Spread with Christian monasteries, c. 5th/6th century onwards. Digressing, but kind of interesting, is that during the 5th and 6th century when the angles, jutes, Saxons, and Frisians started to invade; many Celtic Britons fled to an area of France, now Brittany, creating a "lesser or lower Britain" and giving rise to the name of our island as" great Britain ". This is the same diaspora where Celtic Britons were pushed back/fled to western Briton( Cornwall, Devon, Wales, Cumbria). While a distinct regional Britonic tribe We only see mention of " Wales" arising separately from other Celtic Britons around the 10th century ( Cymru, perhaps around the 8th century) , before their conquest in the 13th; with "Wales" being an Anglo Saxon word meaning foreigner.
Llewellyn here
it,s most likely the galls entered scotland from the frankish region of europe. settling on the east and west coasts. that's why it's called and written gallic in scotland.
Wait, so Nova Scotia is "New Scotland"???
A fellow Welshman!
@CelticSource
4 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
where the crusades happeningaround the time the geals and picts were interacting with each other? or was that after scotland was formed
@CelticSource
22 күн бұрын
a few hundred years later with a bit of overlap
@WTSD850
22 күн бұрын
@@CelticSource so say theirs a geal mercenary that working as a crusader would it be possible for him to be alive around the time when rome was driven off from the British isles
Please revisit the medieval period.
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
what for exactly, could you be more specific?
Regarding the Saxons. I heard that the First Saxons to arrive were Auxillary's of Roman forces. ..Rome falls. Saxons remain on farms. Fighting the 2nd Saxon wave, considering them to be invaders! If this is true, then it means Artos would have glady had Saxon warriors in his Romano/Celtic army!..good idea for intelligence gathering & ambushes!
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
There probably were some Germanic folks here with the Romans, as well as those from many other places. But the large scale invasion by Germanic tribes after the Romans left was a different matter.
Excellent. I would love to hear your telling of the Irish kingdom in South Wales. (deisi) just found your podcast and soaking them up.. Liam
Have come to assume that Celts fled Europe to populate with y'all. (Edited to add: I'm just a yank.) Altho genealogical tree shows Scots/Irish descent meself. 'Don't know how people figure out these things. I know g'pa #1 was German, g'pa #2 Norwegian, and the wild g-pa is the mysterious one.
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
Wild g'pa sounds interesting! The Celts certainly did cross to Britain from Europe, the only questions are from where and when!
@quickchris10
3 жыл бұрын
@@CelticSource I thought I read it was during ice age when Channel was frozen; but I suppose that was for a very long time. There was probably a steady trickle the whole time it was frozen. Edited to add: wild g'pa descended from unknown gentleman in 1700's America who was illegitimate; of whose father his mother never disclosed the identity, so probably English? I think most ``gentleman'' inhabitants at that time were of English descent. Well, actually, it's so muddled in family lore, I don't know whether it's a g'pa or a cousin or what. Because further down the line, my great-grandma also left a husband with her two children (as the story goes,) and remarried and changed their names. So really hard to trace back.
The Scottish were a Scythian tribe! The Pontic Scythians that were driven off the steppe by the Huns around 300AD. We are the tribe of Hercules, who was a Danite Hebrew named Samson. We migrated to Ireland to be with the rest of our tribe, the tribe of Dan- Tuatha de Danaan. What other pork free pastoral culture did you think we came from?
@CelticSource
22 күн бұрын
Fascinating how history is so easily re-written
@KyIeMcCIeIIan
22 күн бұрын
@@CelticSource Yep. If Hercules was a Jew, it changes everything. Dig deep in to this subject using Gaelic eyes. The Gaels would have you believe that Goidel Glas, Moses, and Scythia all existed at the time of Babel. Total bullshit. This is the history I am trying to re-write. I hope nobody fecking minds and I hope some people help.
So Celtic and Britonic is the same, yet Picti and the Gaels were not the same people? A wee bit confusing hehe. Thanks for sharing.
@gwilmor
4 жыл бұрын
Think of Celtic (or Common Celtic) as the root from which both P Celtic languages (Welsh, Cornish, Bretton, Pictish) and Q Celtic languages (Irish, Manx, Scottish Gaelic) evolved.
@MrVipasana
3 жыл бұрын
Celtic is a term that should be done away with in usage such as this. Very confusing.
@MrVipasana
3 жыл бұрын
Jackson 1 This is just wrong. Sorry.
@JohnMartin-jx1wz
3 жыл бұрын
They are all neolithic basques
Diolch am y fidio hwn. Dymuniadau gorau o dde Cymru
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
Iawn, Jon, croeso.
Ella fysa hi’n handi iawn iti ddysgu pobol syt i ‘ Ystrad Clud’. yn iawn!!
@CelticSource
3 жыл бұрын
Bach rhy hwyr i hynny! Tua mil o flynyddoedd rhy hwyr.
@adrianjones8060
3 жыл бұрын
@@CelticSource Uffar ots!! Cymru am BYTH. Fusa’n hendeidia ni’n cywiro nhw fysant? a dim ond pobol Cymraeg sy’n dallt ,so mae o lawr ini tydi? Eniwe,diolch yn fawr am rhoi hanes o’n ochor Geltaidd am unwaith !! Hynod o ddiddorol a dwi’n gobeithio fydd na lot fwy i ddod.👍
New evidence shows the angles saxons and jutes didn't invade they certainly didn't steal. The Britons let them seek asylum. They adapted into the britonic tribes they didn't do what the romans did.
@CelticSource
2 жыл бұрын
I doubt that very much. Where is this new evidence?
Great History Here 👍My Surname is Daly, in Irish (as Gaeilge) is Ó Dálaigh.. My blood line is Connected to DALRIADA 700AD Also Niall of the Nine Hostages, High King Of Ireland 4th/5th Century.
I am not sure! I thought the Scots as a people came from Ireland in the fifth century 🤔
@CelticSource
Жыл бұрын
yes they did, but the picts were already there
@brucecollins641
8 ай бұрын
@@CelticSource scots never came from ireland. these are mythical writings.
@WjfhdhShshshsh
4 ай бұрын
@@brucecollins641yes they did ffs Stop arguing and accept the facts Scott's is Latin scotti a derogatory term found in Latin text that talk about the irish raiders into Romano british land Scotti was a term for all gaels they also called us irjsh scotti We are Goidi l' old gaelic for wild Scott's also called themselves Goidi l' this is stated in Latin texts from roman encounters This changed decades later with normans who put the name irish on gaels from Ireland iris old french for vengeful or ill tempered is be vague translation In reality we are all Goidi l' or now gael who spread to pictish land and created the first kindom in Scotland during the gaelic expansion we also colonised the isle of man
@WjfhdhShshshsh
4 ай бұрын
Picts were the original settlers Probably just another brythonic/ bell beaker people cought in a migration You need to remember names of these groups only exist from encounters so groups of people can be split judging on when they were encountered.
@brucecollins641
4 ай бұрын
@@WjfhdhShshshsh it's gallic in scotland. it only became gaelic when it crossed over to ireland . 15/17th irish monks changed it to gaelic to suit the irish narrative of the gaels coming from the mythical queen scotia. type in...who was queen scotia princess scotia grave and other facts..... you will also see where the mythical niall o the nine hostages came from.
Gawd glad to find the comments open. You look like me. But I have curly hair..... my dad had grey eyes. I am very old inside according to my dna I need the true story. Not the nice version. Fun fact I am 95% euro 14% basque and %4 persian 😳 20 years ago before dna home testing was as available as today... I was able to confirm through genealogy ....my ancestry family stories CONFIRMED to dal raidia. Ff 20 years. DNA results send me foraging again into genealogy which lead even older origins to a place of Helsinger Denmark. So the thing is I am armed with science and history ....sort of.... Your video I paused here. @5:43 Because frankly this is where things start to get dicey....... Unpausing now to finish your video. 😊
@dwaynedarockjohnson2023
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. Admittedly I am still confused, the 900 a.d. period is my central focus of intrest. So like.....okay...spoiler alert: I'm reading 1800s perspective history regarding the picts. So what those books which are property of academic are saying ....is not very sensitive..... And well.....it conflicts with the narrative that most speakers I've encountered are willing to say. I've heard the terminology "dynasty propaganda" thrown around in regards to medieval history regarding the kingdom of Alba. Pls listen closely....it seems it is not "political correct" to retell the history of the picts...in fact many speakers just trail off there....like you did. I understand that is is a complex history... However this general unwillingness to speak about this prove a glaring contrast to what anthropology is discovering. Is that the reason for such silence. There are whispers of a perspective of pictish history kept alive through legend and folktale....quickly discounted. I will continue to search!!! 🔥❤🌎
Northern Ireland was called Scotia (Scotland) by the Romans in the 1st to 5th century it was these people from Scotia called the Scotti (Scots) who sailed to Caledonia and built Dalriada and mingled with the Picts and Vikings. The old name for Great Britain was Albian and Britain in Latin means painted one, ie Picts also painted one, Albian was the old name for Britain and the kingdom of Alba may have been much larger than present day Scotland 🤔
@MacRiocaird
Жыл бұрын
Untrue. Scotia, meaning 'land of the Scoti' (Gaels), was applied by the Romans to all of Ireland.
@brucecollins641
8 ай бұрын
@@MacRiocaird the greco/roman ptlomey named mainland scotland scotia. not scotia minor. he also called britain megale brettania and ireland mikra brettania..little brettania... although scotia may have meant skota which means dark in greek. onyhoo.....the scotti is a mythical tale.it's gallic in scotland coming from the gauls of europe.
Great video but you should have mentioned Saint Columba who had a huge influence in Scottish history.
@CelticSource
2 жыл бұрын
cant mention everything in a short video
@brucecollins4729
Жыл бұрын
ivan dinsmore st columba is a myth
The Gaels (Gauls) came from what's now Switzerland I believe.
@BTsMusicChannel
4 жыл бұрын
If so, do you know when that happened?
@daragildea7434
4 жыл бұрын
The Gaels and Gauls were two different peoples.
@daragildea7434
4 жыл бұрын
@@BTsMusicChannel It's thought by more people that the Gael came from Iberia, as it's believed the extinct "Celtiberian" language was closer to Gaelic than Gaulish or British.
@ajrwilde14
4 жыл бұрын
@@BTsMusicChannel circa 450 BCE. - circa 1 BCE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_T%C3%A8ne_culture
@ajrwilde14
4 жыл бұрын
@Reyn J Merlin was a wizard, a character in a story, therefore he didn't actually exist
Interesting video thanks will use this as a base for a deeper dive. History records cultural artefacts and bones from tribes going back its said for 100K years. So there is a presence and inhabitants in these islands going back well before the last ice age. What that history is / was will be impossible to say but it shows a deeper history than is commonly known. The celtic presence is very interesting and there is some evidence to these migrants being linked to the tribes of Judah. Scots seems to have DNA linkage to the Scythians which were a mediterranean people based around holy land. They seem to have spread out sometime around the time of Christ.
Was todays Ireland not called Scotia = Scotland and the people were called the Scotti = Scots, Ireland did not exist as Ireland in the 1st to 10th century (I read somewhere that it was formally Ireland in 1922?) The Irish monks had too much Guinness making up stories and myths, the Romans and Greeks in the 1st century called today's Ireland Scotia, later it was called Hibernia, and later still Ireland. I read also that the Picts invaded today's Ireland in the 2nd century captured slaves and brought them back to today's Scotland si I surmise that there was trade between Scotia and Pictland in the 1st to 5th century, perhaps the Scotti were actually Picts that went home to Scotland.
@CelticSource
22 күн бұрын
please check out any standard history of Ireland
Can we stop calling Caledonia North Britain ? Britainnia was what became Wales and England ..not Britannia .
@CelticSource
2 жыл бұрын
I'm referring to the British Isles, Britain, in normal parlance, something everybody understands.