* Bearings * Bearing Boxes * Air Brake work (pull valves and send to PATCO /Wabtec) * Stop blocks or self centering coupler draft gear * Blue Card (92 Day insp., 1Year insp., AND 2 Year insp.) * Fix anything found in the inspections Big bucks. I will also comment that Larry's Truck and Electric (LTEX) is scrapping a bunch of stuff right now, you might be able to pick up a set of roller bearing trucks and get them fixed up cheaper. This would still involve a day of crane rental.

@rearspeaker6364

2 жыл бұрын

that's in his state.

We had some friction bearing trucks on some SW-8 switchers that were surplus and had the same restrictions. When we told a potential buyer about not being able to interchange them on a class one for shipment because of those friction bearings, the buyer said no problem. and a few days later came back with a pair of roller bearing trucks and a crane. Did the swap out in a day. Asked him what he was gonna do with the old ones, he said take them back to the diesel repair facility he bought them from and have them modified as spares. Always a solution, eh?

@mdouglaswray

3 жыл бұрын

The good stuff can be reused!

@kylechristine714

3 жыл бұрын

George I was just wondering if you buy locomotives or lease them? If so I have a beautiful reconditioned SW1200 and a SW1500. Lmk

@georgecarter838

3 жыл бұрын

@@kylechristine714 That was back when I was employed in the railroad business years ago. I'm retired now, but have you checked with any railroad equipment brokers by chance? I do know shortlines and a few industrial lines look for switchers like you described.

@ernestpassaro9663

3 жыл бұрын

Now it makes sense to me why seemingly good locomotives are scrapped railroads and their idiotic restrictions !

@bobpaulino4714

Жыл бұрын

@@kylechristine714 did you have any luck finding a buyer? There is a fellow named Sicott in Worthington Ohio who buys, reconditions, and leases or sells locomotives.

We moved C & O 2-8-4 # 2716 from the KY railway Museum to it's new home at KY Steam. We had to change out the trucks on the tender.

I like the look for the roller bearing in a plain bearing box. It gives it an interesting look.

If you want to make 1 million dollars in railroading, start with 2 million dollars. There isn't anything that's inexpensive in that business.

@klsc8510

3 жыл бұрын

Try 10 or a 100 million. I know a friend that tried. Great ideas. Too little funds to get it started.

Great discussion. It explains why I see so many abandoned train vehicles.

@oregonrailfan7046

3 жыл бұрын

What is a “train vehicle”

In 1995 I watched the D&H 5017 RS 36 Alco being moved to the Delaware and Ulster RR based in Arkville, NY I have some great photos I took of the move. It was transported on a multi-wheel trailer. Up 30+ miles on State Route 28. Telephone and electric companies headed up the caravan, lifting wires along the way. Years later the Catskill Mountain RR had a Alco S1 moved in the same way, up State Route 28, by trailer and semi tractor. Glad to have seen these incredible feats !!

Another big issue is timing. Usually, they want the engine gone by yesterday so you don't have time to arrange a way to save it without spending BIG bucks. BTW, an nod to the locomotives in the vid, nothing sounds as great as an ALCO loaded up. Great videos, got my up vote.

Those old oil bearings bring back great memories. Watching the trains go by and the smoke from the oil,

I remember hundreds, if not thousands, of freight cars in the late 70'/early 80's that had this modification done to their trucks. Thanks for the memories!

As a modeller of the US railroads but living in the UK, this was a great instructive video. Loved the talk on the tank car. Keep them coming.

Very informative. I learned so much with your videos!

When I was a kid the railroad station in town still had an agent on duty 24hrs. Used to let a couple of us kids set inside with him. Hot box detector reader was there, like a electrocardiograph machine with two needles marking the graph paper, one for each side of the train... the hotter the journal the farther the needle moved.. Engines were roller bearing but most all the cars weren't. He pointed out the roller bearings ran warmer than the old style.. you could tell a roller bearing car from the rest because of this.. when they did have a hot box he stopped the train at the station, they counted the marks on the graph (the axles) to find out where in the train the hot box was. He said when roller bearings first appeared some guys mistook the readings as a hot box even though all 8 journals of that car had the same reading just hotter than the rest. after each train passed, he rolled up the graph, wrote the engine number, direction of travel and track number on it, put a rubber band around it and threw it in a box.

@eastterminalrailway5975

3 жыл бұрын

Rob That is a great story! Thanks for adding your memories, it brings this topic to life! Brian

In the UK from the beginning of the 90's railway equipment was routinely moved around by road as moving it by rail was to expensive. The companies were so busy that you had to book them well in advance, plus you had to wait for them to tie up an arrival and departure at the same yard, as most don't do empty moves. Today a lot of stuff still moves by road, but thankfully as we now have privately owned diesel locomotives a lot more stuff has gone back to moving over the class 1 rails. During the peak of scrapping and replacement it was not unusual to see 120 ton plus locomotives going up and down our motorways (freeways) on the back of lorries.We do of course have the advantage of having a smaller loading gauge. The last time I saw a quote for moving a loco was back in the mid-90's, and for moving it around 150 miles it was £1500.

That shop you talked to in Pennsylvania gave you good fair prices on the conversion work. My family has been doing this exact work since 1968. I have been doing it since the middle 70's. The journal conversions and the box conversions can actually be the cheapest part of the job. To get away from hot bearing detector issues we have been cutting off the faces of friction boxes on locomotives in addition to removing the lids.

@donavonrobbins1908

3 жыл бұрын

I was just joking about the se thing regarding the bearing boxes. Would be way quicker to cut off the face, rather than drilling a drain hole. Plus no debris getting trapped. I'm no pro, but nice to hear a pro shares the idea. Also, I wonder if there would be a market for leasing trucks for a move to a short line yard that doesn't have the need for the expensive bearing mod?

Great video and information. Looking forward to more and news on your RR’s progress.

just found your channel and how you bought some old rail track and are restoring it, very cool! the progress already is awesome :) can't wait to see what it looks like as time passes

When I see older equipment I like to look for something that most folks dont know about. Anyone who worked the railroads would be familiar with it. Do a video on "polling sockets" and the use of them. Really enjoying the videos.

@mikefochtman7164

3 жыл бұрын

I heard them called 'pole pockets'. Yeah, the idea of using what amounts to a small telephone pole to push cars on adjacent tracks to save a little time switching? Them railroad men had guts. :)

@robertbullcarmichael9856

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefochtman7164 yeah I have heard them called both.

@wgc53217

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertbullcarmichael9856 Poling cars is DANGEROUS! When I had a opr job I talked to a few old heads who had seen accidents using poles. Normally not something you want to do if there is an another easy way to do it.

Thanks for these two videos! I can think of nowhere else I would have learned this stuff! Again, thank you.

I just learned a hole lot info I had no clue that changed in RRing.

Good information, thanks for posting. Eagerly awaiting for the tie replacement video.

Thank you for the info on how bearings changed over the years

Thank you very much , that's a of wonderful information I gathered here. As child growing up , my father would let me have as large of a model railroading lay out that I wanted. When I was small, I always thought it would be great to have a real train running around a large farm that I have bought. Much rather have that than one of those super yachts, to this day. Never considered the cost of having the train cars and engine moved to the location.

Thanks for the lesson on bearings! I've always wondered!

A lot of good information. I’m a huge rail fan and as such have built a ride on 7.5 railroad around my home. I had a chance years ago to purchase a standard gauge F3A, the price to purchase was reasonable and the prime mover was refurbished about 6 years prior. However, the distance and logistics to move the thing to where I would be working on it and further operate it was astronomical. Sadly, I learned not long after I showed interest it was scrapped. Very sad day

Well ILL say, that was VERY INTERESTING, piece of history on the mechanics of the early rolling stock, great job, more please. 👌👍

I live in Florida.. Pretty hot down here too. Really enjoyed these videos on the bearings. All is interesting. Thank You

That old UTLX car,at the end,was awesome to see!

I'll echo what you said: "what a blast" of a video! Keep up the good work...

All your videos are great. You make a great Teacher. Learning lots about railroading. Thank You.

I like roller bearing trucks.I also like the friction bearing trucks too.I'm an HO model railroader and all the HO cars I have that have roller bearings have rotating roller bearings like the reail rail cars.I have a few engine I modified with working roller bearins.Keep the videos coming.I like all your videos.Thankyou.

@klsc8510

3 жыл бұрын

What brand of trucks do you use? I have been doing a capital improvement on my model railroad converting cars to Kadee roller bearings of the correct weight.

In the uk, the end cover of a roller bearing is painted in yellow, to make it easy to see what bearing the vehicle has from a distance.

Thanks for this video! Concise, well-presented and great information! I really enjoyed this one!

Very nice video. Thanks for posting and have a nice day too.

4:13 i live next to this base for many years, while they were ripping out the old switch yard that was part of the General Motors plant there.

Thank you for explaining how the change could be made, good job .

Nice video, finally you can see the history of the axle camps with you in america. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven

Great video. Thanks for the lesson. I will accompany you and son on this journey. I’m curious if you purchased CP 6568.

Well done explanation! I will start converting my old fleet today.

I do not know much of anything about railroading or railroad history. I know that when I see a steam engine like the Flying Scotsman or Big Boy it gives me a special feeling. Your passion for trains really comes through the video and makes me want to know more.

Well thank you for that blessing on your ammo boxes and stuff like that you did a fine job speaking of work

Loads of great information……thanks for sharing 👍

Great information in a knowledgable presentation ... keep them info filled and short like this for a more regular turnout to keep interest high.

@eastterminalrailway5975

3 жыл бұрын

That's the plan! Thanks for your support! Ill talk fast! Thanks Victor BTW what is your favorite locomotive? Brian

Curmudgeon knows his stuff... appreciate it......the old man's down the road..

Great educational content. This IS good stuff!

Several years ago, the Kentucky Steam Heritage Corporation wanted to move C&O K-4 #2716 loco & tender from The Kentucky Railway Museum to KSHCo’s facility at Ravenna, KY. CSX would do the move for them, but while the engine itself had roller bearings, the tender had friction bearings. This meant they had to convert the tender to roller bearings, put it on a flat car or have it transported by truck. They lucked out and found an abandoned heavy flat car with roller bearings three axle trucks. The trucks fit on the tender and it the engine and tender were moved over CSX track.

Pretty interesting stuff. Nice history lesson about bearings.

Be Prepared - Ask RR about planned Move - Purchase Permits - Have Safety Plan -- and a Box Car full $$ CASH 💰 !! Plenty of : Friends , Waffle House/Taco Bell / etc., Time, Inspiration & Perspiration!! Plan your Work & Work Your Plan !! Thanks crew from ETRR !!

I think they should add a exception to the regs for friction bearings, allowing them to be moved on a class A for special moves, for a limited distance as long as they can pass an inspection, are well lubricated and checked every 400 or 500 miles (no more than 1,000 total miles) and moved at no more than 55MPH. You wouldn't be able to go cross country but it would save a lot of $$ and time for short or regional moves.

Super interesting the way you laid it po out. Cool video. Thanks!

Thank you for the history lesson I am an old guy that has been a railfan since the 1930''s. Most of it in NE OH.(20th Century Limited) style when gates were manually lowered.---- I have subscribed Tom

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom! Brian

Excellent railroad! I have seen all these types of bearings!

Great video bro. Safe travels

Great video very informative.

That DT&I Caboose #118 my Farther has pictures of Him riding inside when at work for the DT&I. My Farther hired in on the DT&I Railroad in Flat Rock Michigan in 1963 and retired in 1998 then it was the CN in 1984 the GT bought the Railroad due to Conrail being split up from the government not long after the CN took over the GT Railroad. Awesome video

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Kenny I like the DT&I, i wish it was all still in place. You and I would buy it, LOL. Brian

@kennyspry5189

2 жыл бұрын

@@eastterminalrailway5975 Absolutely We would and it would be Awesome!!!

The silly thing about the class one reluctance to moving plain bearings is that many of their own units still have friction TM support bearings.

Thanks for the lesson. For me at least, it was much appreciated. Now, what are going to do? Are you going to buy that engine and do the conversion? If so, please document and post a video, as this is very interesting stuff in terms of resurrecting an old switcher, and making it more reliable, AND useable. Cool stuff...

Excellent review !!!!!! Thanks

Thanks for all the info it was very interesting.

Much obliged for a very educational video.

I learn some new ever time I watch your video thank you keep up the great video. 👏👏👏👍👍👍

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Steve Its mutual, the colective tallents and abilities of the ETR nation are amazing! 19,000 strong and a strong 19,000 at that. Brian

Thank you for the information today

Very interesting topic, thank you!!

The tulsa Sapulpa union rail road in Sapulpa Oklahoma restores these locomotives. Should check them out its a small line but moves alot of freight and sand to the glass plant in Sapulpa.

Very informative !! Thanx so much !

Born I. 1946 here. I remember seeing smoking hot boxes on cars rolling into Brooklyn Yard in Portland, OR. As a boy, I thought it was mysterious and cool. Back in the days of putting pennies on the rails to flatten them out. I lived right next to the tracks.

Thanks. You covered that very well. So how is your railroad coming?👍👍👍❤️

Nice video. Thanks for sweating it out to explain the details. 😃👍

@eastterminalrailway5975

3 жыл бұрын

Dennis I really enjoy bringing you the details that others overlook. On sweating? As I've gotten older I sweat more, but I know more too, a trade-off I guess. Brian

@dennisb-trains23

3 жыл бұрын

@@eastterminalrailway5975 You do an amazing job Brian. Its very interesting. Keep posting. 👍😀

Very cool video. Thanks.

Great you were able to show the difference. They destroyed to many good units and just for profit. Great video. 😎👍👌

Maybe a side business for your storage business. Make up a set of trucks you can lease to somebody for their move, then return the trucks after they reach destination? Don't know if there's be enough customers, but by offering a low cost alternative would encourage some business? Maybe even move a couple pieces for yourself first.

very nice instructional video !

Very informative vid, thanks.

Thanks for the great video

Not too savvy on the history of UTLX, but my old man worked for ACF (American Car & Foundry/ACFX/SHPX) in the 90's so I'm reasonably knowledgeable about that them.

Looking at the caboose truck it's almost identical to those under the S160 tenders we have at Churnet Valley railway in the UK. Incidentally we had a triple headed S160 in Feb 2020 you tube has some videos.

Very informative!

Holy cow that’s like a million bucks in lumber holding up that red train on that trailer in your first example.

@jasonplatco7881

3 жыл бұрын

The load bearing capacity of wood is alot more than one would assume.

@Justme-jt1ef

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonplatco7881 what’s that gotta do with what I said??

Cool video very informative

Extremely interesting. Thanks!

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

roller bearings can get hotboxed also, I have seen it many times at KCS

I remember summer nights as kid at my aunt's house watching the cars go by. The car with the hot box would get the steel wheels cherry red hot in rolling in the night. Sounds like roller bearings was clearly the right decision with respect to safety.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Dang Mike that's an interesting story! " Memories how they linger" Alan Jackson

Very interesting! Thanks!

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

nice video. I wish all the success. Also, I maintain that local technical school would be interested in what you are doing, or industrial arts at local high school. No video game teaches you these things. Cheers

The Waterloo Central Railway in Ontario had sister engine 6593 brought in on a heavy duty 4 truck flat car back in 2012. There are videos of the move on KZread. Where Is the pictured locomotive located?

You actually forgot a 5th option...use temporary "shop" trucks in place of the friction bearing trucks...it's been done. Also, it's friction bearing, not plain bearing.

Nice axle classroom Thank you What is happening with your motive power choice??

I knew of a very expensive locomotive move on the road, the lowboy detached in a curve on the interstate and demolished the support for the overpass for the other interstate, 10 mile detour for the interstate that went over.

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Jeffery I think I've seen pictures of that one, an 80 ton with out trucks. Brian

MTM has a passenger car in Wisconsin that have the friction bearing still in use the line is run by the CNRR

Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 1 Aug 21.

Very enjoyable video Brian. I assume you are working towards a loco BUT it has journals?

Nice but solid bearing were never "outlawed." I have had equipment with solid bearing moved under careful watch. Railroads are under no obligation to take cars or locomotives in interchange with solid bearings. They may do so under their own prerogative. This is where your mechanical reputation comes into play.

@rearspeaker6364

3 жыл бұрын

the "outlawed" is for common everyday usage of cars and locomotives. the exceptions are what you just said.

@maestromecanico597

3 жыл бұрын

@@rearspeaker6364 Whenever a group or museum is faced with the move of solid bearing equipped axles the automatic default belief is the railroad won't touch it. Try this first: ask! Assuming it's an automatic 'no' is incorrect.

@rearspeaker6364

3 жыл бұрын

@@maestromecanico597 true, that would be a common sense thing to do. today's railroad rules change daily.

@gravelydon7072

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I have moved them even thru interchange including a Class 1. Look up "Home Shop for Repair" rules. Have all things ready for the inspector and acceptable except for the fact of plain bearings. Always ask first and you may get it moved.

@wayneslayton5561

3 жыл бұрын

Question before I go how do I get one of them orange t-shirts where do I send the money I send money you sent shirt with Good2Go what do I send the money

Back a year or two ago they gave C&O's #2716's tender "new" roller bearing trucks and sent her up a few class 1's to her new home in Ravenna, KY. So I'm wondering, couldn't they have just put roller bearing trucks under that Rock Island diesel to move it or would that have been even more expensive than shipping it by truck? Ten when it got there they could set it back on the original trucks.

Can you still obtain new brass on friction bearing locomotives? Or are they impossible to get?

@eastterminalrailway5975

2 жыл бұрын

Yes There are used ones available but probably less everyday. Brian

I don’t understand why people think that just because a piece of equipment has plain bearings they can’t move it on any Class 1 territory. Especially since if it would be a one-time move and restrictions are put in place.

It is a shame that we at CN scrapped a lot of nice switchers. They used to go to London Ontario but in later years some were going to Selkirk Manitoba and parted out. Maybe you could buy used wheel sets from a place like that with or without traction motors and save some money and time. Or whole trucks. I changed a lot of them out in my time bit never did a conversion.

nice video

So on converted trucks, why are the lids removed? Would they hinder the roller? Or is it required to easily see that it's a roller? Just curious.

so, pretty much, to convert to roller bearings is gonna be at least 10 grand by the time all the costs are added in. maybe more depending. now, for a locomotive, a 1 time upgrade cost of that amount does not really sound too bad. but if the seller will allow you to dismantle the thing where he has it sitting and do all that work etc, would be another matter. so? you a lead on buying one of those and doing the conversion? i wish i had the time to come help do the work.

Cleveland cliffs uses lomotive like that inside the mill also us steel does to