I grew up Protestant and I was Protestant for a number of years but I never fully believed in faith alone.. certainly we must have faith to receive salvation.. but the scripture by itself points out that we also need to share.. but more correctly consent and comply with the will of God.. I am Catholic now but even when I was Protestant.. my sister also is Protestant.. but we never believe that your works didn't have to conform in some sense to the will of God.. what I mean here is making the attempt.. to me it is the most dangerous heresy to say that we can do whatever we want and it doesn't matter we're going to heaven . it seems to me like a lie Straight Out of hell... consider the parable of the sheep and the goats.. in Matthew 25 and many other places in the Holy Scripture.. obviously the book of James . .. and one of the other points I was going to make was that you can't quote just a single scripture verse and then base all your theology on it . without reading it in context.. sorry for being so long texted LOL

Also just made the argument for why God is not a socialist. Socialist believe the pie is limited as where capitalist believe we can make many pies. Glory to God!

@lorenzobianchini4415

9 күн бұрын

That is false.Capitalists are not Christians but believe in making plenty and given themselves the bulk of the pie .😅

Two powerful opiates of the Protestant masses : 1) Once saved always saved, and 2) Saved by Faith alone.

Hi JD, you really want to use Andrew Tate as your virtual representative to counter Sola Fide? "Whoever isn't against us is for us" I guess. Does the roman catholic church describe what counts as being "fully alive"? Because that's pretty much what Ephesians 2 talks about. Do let me know if the RCC teaches differently.

@eyk400

4 күн бұрын

using Tate in one video isn’t making him the virtual representative against scripture alone. And what he said although a non Christian, doesn’t go against Christianity.

Joseph never stop this. God bless you.

How can you put Andrew Tate and Bishop Barron in the same video, on faith alone?

about 35 years ago, on a day I had no intention of becoming a Christian...Jesus opened my eyes and gave me eternal life. He's been with me ever since. If I said otherwise I would be lying

@CountCulture27

10 күн бұрын

Tim, I believe you.

@TimSpangler-rd6vs

10 күн бұрын

@@CountCulture27 Thank you

@eddyrobichaud5832

9 күн бұрын

You are saved by faith through grace. Right?

@TimSpangler-rd6vs

9 күн бұрын

@@eddyrobichaud5832 Yes I am...grace through faith

@andreeattieh2963

8 күн бұрын

The bible doesn't say faith alone ​@@eddyrobichaud5832

If there is no work of righteousness, it is a proof that is is a false faith and not a true faith in Yehovah the righteous lawgiver God

Amen

Here’s an excerpt from the imitation of Christ: 3. To be learned and able to discuss the Trinity will get you nowhere if you do not have humility, and therefore displease the Holy Trinity. Lofty words neither save you nor make you a Saint; only a virtuous life makes you dear to God. It is better to experience contrition than to be ableto define it. To be well versed in Scripture and all the sayings of philosophers will not profit you if you are without God's love and His grace. All things are vanity (Eccl 1:2). Nothing matters except to love God and to serve Him only.

AMEN

Faith without following God’s will is useless. Faith alone is I’m doing my will and not God’s will. And doing your own will isn’t really your will but satan’s will.

You will meet, one day, the God of the Bible that you make it to say what YOU want to say.

Brother can you make a video on masturbation is a sin and why its sin and its that masturbation is demonic activity plzz make a video on this topic

Jesus is the way. Protestants what easy way out of their libertad a la france of J. Calvino.

Forget “Saved by Faith”! What about “Judged by Works? ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭27‬ “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then *he shall reward every man according to his works.”* ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬-‭6‬“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; *Who will render to every man according to his deeds:”* 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive *according to what he has done* while he was in the body, whether good or bad. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before God; and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life (Rev. 3:5); *and the dead were judged by the things that were written in the books, according to their works.* 13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it; and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them; *and they were judged each according to his works.*

@CountCulture27

8 күн бұрын

Scary, I know. All of us will be judged for our works. First thing you need to know is Jesus says the work of salvation is this: John 6 28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 3:14-18 says the same thing roughly. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[a] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[b] 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. If we accomplished this one work, then we will be justified in heaven. However, even those who are saved will be judged in heaven. Corinthians 3:8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 10-15 10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames. I hope this eases your mind.

The kingdom of heaven belong to God Yehovah the father and not Jesus or any other person The law is the will of Lawgiver lord king God Yehovah Whoever is not keeping the law is rebellious against the will of Lawgiver Lord King Judge God Yehovah. He is not of Yehovah Psalm 40:7-10,16 ASV Then said I, Lo, I am come; In the roll of the book it is written of me: [8] I delight to do thy will, O my God; Yea, thy law is within my heart. [9] I have proclaimed glad tidings of righteousness in the great assembly; Lo, I will not refrain my lips, O Jehovah, thou knowest. [10] I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation; I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great assembly. [16] Let all those that seek thee rejoice and be glad in thee: Let such as love thy salvation say continually, Jehovah be magnified.

@marymargarette4289

6 күн бұрын

Yes the Kingdom of heaven belong to God. And God Himself He sent His only beloved Son to save the world. John 12:48-49-50 - Jesus said "he who rejects Me and does not receive My Sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. For I have not spoken on My own authority; the FATHER who sent Me has Himself given Me commandment what to say and what to speak. And I know that His commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the FATHER has bidden Me". John 5:39-40 - Jesus said "you search the scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; yet you refuse to come to Me that you may have life".

When you have to use andrew tate to back up your doctrine you have failed miserably 😂😂😂

For salvation, we need faith alone in grace alone. Once saved, the deeds we do are by recognition, by love for God's salvation, and by obedience.

@geoffjs

8 күн бұрын

Salvation comes from His grace received via His Sacraments, esp Baptism Jn 3:5 & His Real True Presence Jn 6 53 together with faith & good works Jas 2 20-24 & Mt 25 31-45

You take many verses out of context

@aliszhinchaenz

9 күн бұрын

Can you explain?

Tate was Eastern Orthodox before becoming Muslim. He is too alpha to be some Protestant beta. And also, Hebrews 10:19-27 destroys this ridiculous heretical lie of "faith alone" as perpetuated by the Protestant traitors.

@AS-np3yq

10 күн бұрын

Becoming a muslim IS beta.

@CountCulture27

10 күн бұрын

Wow. Pretty brutal and straightforward. I like it. However, none of us, or the ones that understand doctrine of salvation anyway, believe that once we confess Christ, we shouldn’t go to church or live the same life. We are changed by this confession. We are a new creation, that is what born again means. If we don’t change, we were never really saved. What the Gospel says is saved by faith not works. Our works come from being saved by Christ alone if you are following the true doctrine of salvation. That being said, there are doctrines in the Protestant faith that practice exactly what you accuse. It grieves me for them. More so as one of them was the first church to truly teach me about Christ, the UMC. Not all Protestants are traitors, they see things differently than you, sure. But, just as the Holy Spirit works in us all differently, so will we be placed in different areas for his will and glory. We are United if you are preaching the Gospel of Christ as Jesus and the original apostles preached. Any change, such as the prosperity gospel, is an abomination as Galatians 1:8-9 allude to. You will be cursed if you change it.

Faith alone in grace a alone.

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

can only be one alone sorry

@user-fi1pe4dg3u

10 күн бұрын

@@bibleman8010 says who ?

@voyager7

10 күн бұрын

@@bibleman8010 The "solas" each speak to different but related aspects of justification. Solus Christus, that Christ alone is our reconciliation with the Father. Sola gratia, that it is by grace alone that we are justified, and not on any account of anything in ourselves, but solely because of the righteousness of Christ. Sola fide, that faith alone trusts, receives and appropriates the promise of grace in Christ. These are not in any way contradictory nor do they encroach upon the others.

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

@@voyager7 Sola fide ("by faith alone")🤣🤣 Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone") Sola gratia ("by grace alone") Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone") Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone") Let's take a look at these and see if they are still viable today. The first thing that is striking is that if they are all "alone", then why do the other 4 even exist? In other words, if we are saved by scripture alone, then why do we even talk about grace or faith? Why do we need scripture when we are saved by grace alone? And are any of these "alones" in the Bible? A quick search shows that only one of the solas, the words "faith alone" does appear in the bible, as follows: James 2:24:You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Strange that the one sola that does appear in the bible contradicts the very sola itself. Works (good works, not useless Jewish works of the law) are part of being justified. The Catholic Church teaches that justification begins at Baptism, when the Holy Spirit comes to us, even while we are infants. And "being saved" is a lifelong journey that doesn't end until we die and are allowed into heaven. A lot of Protestants talk about "when they were saved", as if it's in the past tense. Catholics would agree that whenever you began taking your faith in Christ seriously was certainly a great time, but it was only a first step, not the entire journey. What really counts is your faith at the time of death, not your faith when you first started believing 20 years ago. The next one is "Scripture Alone", which does not appear anywhere in the bible. The text most often used by protestants to back this one up is: 2 Timothy 3:16: All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, However great this passage is, the word "alone" does not appear in it anywhere. The word profitable does not mean only. If it did, then Titus 3:8 below would mean that good deeds are all we need to be saved: "The saying is sure. I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men." Applying the word "alone" to scripture also means that anyone can properly interpret it, without the Magesterium and Sacred Tradition. In other words, the Catholic Church only claims infallibility with the official documents of the Church, spoken "ex cathedra" ("from the chair") by the Pope. This sola claims that anyone and everyone who interprets scripture on their own is infallible! And how wrong is this today, with over 30,000 Protestant denominations, with some even claiming that homosexuality is no longer sinful! The next one, "Grace Alone", isn't found in the Bible either. Catholics would agree that we are indeed saved by grace, which is a free gift from God. Where we differ is the method of how we receive that grace. The Catholic Church regularly dispenses sanctifying grace through the sacraments. The protestants believe that God just gives them grace whenever He wills it, sacraments or not. The Catholic version of this one would be that we are saved by grace, which increases our faith, and leads us to do good works as a very necessary fruit of our faith. The fourth one, "Christ Alone", also sounds great. Who could argue with the fact that we are saved by Christ alone? The problem with this is that the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity, the Holy Spirit, also plays a HUGE role in our salvation. According to the bible, we are temples to the Holy Spirit. Peter and the other apostles all followed Jesus and ate with him, talked with him, and tried to follow him. It wasn't until Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon them that they received power (Acts 1:8). Catholics receive the Holy Spirit at Confirmation, and can receive Him again and again through the laying on of hands by charismatics (to reinvigorate your faith). And what about the role that the Communion of Saints plays in our salvation? They lead us to Christ, as do our parents, our friends, and our fellow Catholics. The whole problem with this particular sola is that it isolates us into a "Me and Jesus" scenario, where I don't really need a Church or a family telling me what to do. And that is so wrong. Jesus set up His Church for a reason, to be His Kingdom on earth. And this sola allows for no glory to God our Father, who we pray to each and every time we say the "Our Father" prayer. The last one is Soli Deo Gloria, or "Glory to God Alone". This one also sounds like a winner. However, there is one problem with it. Jesus Himself said in John 17:22 that He gave His glory to his apostles (at the Last Supper, when He gave them the Eucharist). And while none of the apostles' lives or works will save us in and of themselves, they are indeed one with Christ (1 Corinthians 6:17) and they are partakers in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). It really is okay to venerate the saints, which is not the same glory and honor we need to give to Christ. A lot of protestants confuse veneration of the saints with glory to God. Mention the Communion of Saints to a Protestant who says the Apostles' Creed every Sunday, and you will usually get a blank stare back. In other words, most Protestants who recite the Apostles' Creed say they believe in the Communion of Saints, but they do not know what it means. What it means is that the saints in heaven are our brothers and sisters in Christ who have gone before us, and who help us in our journey in this life. After all, Jesus says that they are ALIVE (Luke 20:38). And since they are partakers in the divine nature, according to 2 Peter 1:4, that means that they can hear us and help us. Catholics could come up with a lot of these solas. Since the bible says that we must eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus to have life within us (John 6), then we could say that we are saved by "The Eucharist alone". And since Paul talks about the value of personal suffering for the Church in Colossians 1:24, we could say that we are saved by "Suffering alone". And since the Bible says that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15), then we could formulate the doctrine of being saved by "The Church alone".And since we have to be forgiven for our sins before we can enter heaven, we could come up with the doctrine of "Confession alone". And how many more of these could we invent if we had the time? Lots. But to no purpose whatsoever. The Bible was meant to be taken as a whole, and to not be broken down into parts for convenience' sake. To sum up, all of this shorthand abbreviation for our faith in the 5 solas leads us away from the rest of what is necessary for salvation, like the Church, the Sacraments, prayer, helping the poor, performing good works, etc. After all, why do all of that if it's just me and my bible, me and Jesus, me and whatever....

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

Sola fide ("by faith alone") Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone") Sola gratia ("by grace alone") Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone") Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone") Let's take a look at these and see if they are still viable today. The first thing that is striking is that if they are all "alone", then why do the other 4 even exist? In other words, if we are saved by scripture alone, then why do we even talk about grace or faith? Why do we need scripture when we are saved by grace alone? And are any of these "alones" in the Bible? A quick search shows that only one of the solas, the words "faith alone" does appear in the bible, as follows: James 2:24:You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Strange that the one sola that does appear in the bible contradicts the very sola itself. Works (good works, not useless Jewish works of the law) are part of being justified. The Catholic Church teaches that justification begins at Baptism, when the Holy Spirit comes to us, even while we are infants. And "being saved" is a lifelong journey that doesn't end until we die and are allowed into heaven. A lot of Protestants talk about "when they were saved", as if it's in the past tense. Catholics would agree that whenever you began taking your faith in Christ seriously was certainly a great time, but it was only a first step, not the entire journey. What really counts is your faith at the time of death, not your faith when you first started believing 20 years ago. The next one is "Scripture Alone", which does not appear anywhere in the bible. The text most often used by protestants to back this one up is: 2 Timothy 3:16: All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, However great this passage is, the word "alone" does not appear in it anywhere. The word profitable does not mean only. If it did, then Titus 3:8 below would mean that good deeds are all we need to be saved: "The saying is sure. I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men." Applying the word "alone" to scripture also means that anyone can properly interpret it, without the Magesterium and Sacred Tradition. In other words, the Catholic Church only claims infallibility with the official documents of the Church, spoken "ex cathedra" ("from the chair") by the Pope. This sola claims that anyone and everyone who interprets scripture on their own is infallible! And how wrong is this today, with over 30,000 Protestant denominations, with some even claiming that homosexuality is no longer sinful! The next one, "Grace Alone", isn't found in the Bible either. Catholics would agree that we are indeed saved by grace, which is a free gift from God. Where we differ is the method of how we receive that grace. The Catholic Church regularly dispenses sanctifying grace through the sacraments. The protestants believe that God just gives them grace whenever He wills it, sacraments or not. The Catholic version of this one would be that we are saved by grace, which increases our faith, and leads us to do good works as a very necessary fruit of our faith. The fourth one, "Christ Alone", also sounds great. Who could argue with the fact that we are saved by Christ alone? The problem with this is that the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity, the Holy Spirit, also plays a HUGE role in our salvation. According to the bible, we are temples to the Holy Spirit. Peter and the other apostles all followed Jesus and ate with him, talked with him, and tried to follow him. It wasn't until Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon them that they received power (Acts 1:8). Catholics receive the Holy Spirit at Confirmation, and can receive Him again and again through the laying on of hands by charismatics (to reinvigorate your faith). And what about the role that the Communion of Saints plays in our salvation? They lead us to Christ, as do our parents, our friends, and our fellow Catholics. The whole problem with this particular sola is that it isolates us into a "Me and Jesus" scenario, where I don't really need a Church or a family telling me what to do. And that is so wrong. Jesus set up His Church for a reason, to be His Kingdom on earth. And this sola allows for no glory to God our Father, who we pray to each and every time we say the "Our Father" prayer. The last one is Soli Deo Gloria, or "Glory to God Alone". This one also sounds like a winner. However, there is one problem with it. Jesus Himself said in John 17:22 that He gave His glory to his apostles (at the Last Supper, when He gave them the Eucharist). And while none of the apostles' lives or works will save us in and of themselves, they are indeed one with Christ (1 Corinthians 6:17) and they are partakers in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). It really is okay to venerate the saints, which is not the same glory and honor we need to give to Christ. A lot of protestants confuse veneration of the saints with glory to God. Mention the Communion of Saints to a Protestant who says the Apostles' Creed every Sunday, and you will usually get a blank stare back. In other words, most Protestants who recite the Apostles' Creed say they believe in the Communion of Saints, but they do not know what it means. What it means is that the saints in heaven are our brothers and sisters in Christ who have gone before us, and who help us in our journey in this life. After all, Jesus says that they are ALIVE (Luke 20:38). And since they are partakers in the divine nature, according to 2 Peter 1:4, that means that they can hear us and help us. Catholics could come up with a lot of these solas. Since the bible says that we must eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus to have life within us (John 6), then we could say that we are saved by "The Eucharist alone". And since Paul talks about the value of personal suffering for the Church in Colossians 1:24, we could say that we are saved by "Suffering alone". And since the Bible says that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15), then we could formulate the doctrine of being saved by "The Church alone".And since we have to be forgiven for our sins before we can enter heaven, we could come up with the doctrine of "Confession alone". And how many more of these could we invent if we had the time? Lots. But to no purpose whatsoever. The Bible was meant to be taken as a whole, and to not be broken down into parts for convenience' sake. To sum up, all of this shorthand abbreviation for our faith in the 5 solas leads us away from the rest of what is necessary for salvation, like the Church, the Sacraments, prayer, helping the poor, performing good works, etc. After all, why do all of that if it's just me and my bible, me and Jesus, me and whatever............

You can't properly discuss the protestant position on faith and works without Ephesians 2:8 - 9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." This passage is clear, grace saves you by faith -- not by works! Not by works SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST! If salvation is by works, our salvation becomes a point of pride. However, the discussion is not complete without Ephesians 2:10, "For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." So salvation is by faith, but faith calls us to works. Are works a necessary part of the Christian life? Yes! But the works don't save us, they are the response to our regeneration. And we see this also in James 2:18b, "Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds." James is clearly placing the horse of faith in front of the cart of works. Saying, "that is a nice chair, I could sit in it" is not active faith, sitting in the chair is. Your faith in the chair allows you to sit in it. Sitting in it is a work that demonstrates that you actually believe that the chair is good to sit in. Ephesians 2 and James 2 are consistent with each other. Both see that works are a necessary response to faith. If the faith that comes first does not produce works, it wasn't faith at all.

@InformationEngineer59

10 күн бұрын

Oh, and look around you. Look at the many protestant ministry organizations doing works! (Please don't see this as a competition as I recognize that the Catholic branch of Christendom is also very busy doing works.) If the protestants believe that salvation is by faith, and that is the end of it, then these ministry organizations wouldn't exist. No, people who genuinely believe that Jesus is their source of salvation are spurred on by their faith to do works just as described in James 2 and Ephesians 2.

@aliszhinchaenz

9 күн бұрын

Work must be done if you're a follower of Jesus. He said: do unto others what you want them to do to you

@InformationEngineer59

9 күн бұрын

@@aliszhinchaenz Works must be done, absolutely. But salvation, accepting Christ's work of forgiveness must come first. Further, 1 Corinthians 3:12 says, "If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw ..." So it is clear that some "works" are not the right kind of works. How then do we build in gold, silver and precious stones? Philippians 2:13, "for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose." So we are led by God to choose the works that he wants. We are lead by God because we are his child, because we are already saved. Salvation is by faith alone -- we are saved unto good works.

@CountCulture27

9 күн бұрын

@@InformationEngineer59Works come from faith. Works do not make up any part of salvation, they are just fruit of a changed life.

@cinelli07

9 күн бұрын

If you have faith in christ you'd be catholic

these are lies. in the new testament alone there are at least 5 references stating quite clearly that salvation is by faith alone, NOT works (like attending the roman catholic mass). saying that salvation is NOT by faith alone is defying what the bible actually says.

@robertrazon8009

10 күн бұрын

But for most people they got their faith in attending services in church specially if they are new one and in catholic church not attending mass is a sin. People might always say I'm a good person why do I need to attend church, I can show my faith by working for my love one honestly and morally, or by helping others in their needs, but that kind of faith would lead us to pride. Its like your separating your self to the church because you have your own interpretation of your faith. Remember that church has its own identity part of it is attending mass and if you really have faith it must bare a good fruits in you which is your act or deed. The only reason why the Bible insist that we are save by faith because people tend to gratify their own work for their salvation but they don't have faith in Jesus. That's why Jesus incarnate himself as a human in order to give as an example of how to follow God. He can do that as a God without being a human but He choose to because He want to lift up the dignity of humanity who have been slaved/deceive by Satan and of Sin.

@vaughncj

10 күн бұрын

Please cite verses that say “faith alone”.

@Gio-ce8ob

10 күн бұрын

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. It clearly states otherwise. Faith alone is only found in James 2:24 and it says “you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone”. No one said faith isn’t important but if works of love (not of the law) weren’t important, why would Jesus give commands of things for us to do. Faith alone is false. You must cooperate with grace and be obedient to the Lord.

@cinelli07

9 күн бұрын

The Bible says christ established his church on Peter. Are you following his words?

@CountCulture27

8 күн бұрын

@@vaughncjSure, right after you tell me where Jesus claimed to be God. Seriously, that question is like what a Muslim would ask. “If it’s not exactly in the Bible it isn’t true.” Sheesh. Tell you what, Show me the works in John 6:28-29. What did our Lord say was the Work necessary? If you don’t want to look because you only know verse 53 of John, just recite John 3:16, it means the same thing.

Just like once saved always saved is debunked by we have to persevere till the end. When you’re once saved always saved then there no need to persevere to the end.

@Adam-ue2ig

10 күн бұрын

No lol...eternal security does not contradict perseverance of the saints...Revelation 3:21 To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne...So who are the ones that overcome? ALL those born of God...1 John 5: 4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. If you respond with some that are saved fall away...well of course some claim they were once saved and fall away but Scripture accounts for that with verses like 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. The verse literally identifies the reason for them not continuing was that it would become manifest that they were not genuine born of God Christians...the explanation given is NOT that they were genuine and lost their salvation!

I'm 0:41 seconds in and simply can't wait for the renowned Bishop Barron to explain Luther's reasons. This should be good... EDIT: It was even more bananas that I could have hoped. A little refresher...Dun Scotus and Gabriel Biel were both Catholics and philosophers in addition to their other callings in the church. The idea that nominalism was; A. Involved or even primary for Luther and the Reformers to hold to sola fide, sola gratia, solus Christus, and B. Somehow unique to them as if no Catholic outside of Luther et al was influenced by Scotus and Biel... ...are both incredibly incorrect. The influence of various streams of thought in philosophy, including nominalism, platonism, aristotelianism, even more current disciplines at the time like Christian humanism (Erasmus) etc and of course the recognized contributions of giants like Augustine and Aquinas were all present and influential in the dynamic of Medieval Catholic Europe; including of Rome itself. But more than this, is the evidence that exists in the works of these Reformers including Luther, like the 1517 "Disputation Against Scholastic Theology" which challenges Barron's argument. This actual evidence of what they believed, in addition to the extant works of Scotus, Biel, Peter Lombard etc, against which many citations are drawn in the Lutheran Confessions, paint a very different picture than Bishop Barron would create. He might want to stop manufacturing arguments that have no grounding in historicity or truth. That's his schtick, it seems. Also, and as I've said before, why is this channel content with misrepresenting "Protestant" beliefs? Do you simply not understand them? I've stated on more than one occasion that you should stop calling everyone outside of Rome, "Protestant". Most of "modern Evangelicalism", where the kind of "sola fide" you constantly shuck is found, would actively and vehemently deny the label of Protestant. Yet here in this video (again) you conflate _their_ idea of salvation with that of Luther, who did not hold either that sola fide meant that the Christian could "take their hands" off the wheel and live irrelevantly, as Tate implies and you allege, or that good works and a life of love is not required of us in which to walk; for our perseverance, sanctification and the glory of God. Also, and ironically, both Biel and Scotus argued that the human will can "move" toward that which is good. Even if this is not Pelagian in itself, it's certainly in opposition to Luther in _de Servo Arbitrio_ for example, and the Lutheran position on total depravity; but is completely in line with Catholic theology. Be careful what you wish for BB.

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

Sola fide ("by faith alone") Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone") Sola gratia ("by grace alone") Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone") Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone") Let's take a look at these and see if they are still viable today. The first thing that is striking is that if they are all "alone", then why do the other 4 even exist? In other words, if we are saved by scripture alone, then why do we even talk about grace or faith? Why do we need scripture when we are saved by grace alone? And are any of these "alones" in the Bible? A quick search shows that only one of the solas, the words "faith alone" does appear in the bible, as follows: James 2:24:You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Strange that the one sola that does appear in the bible contradicts the very sola itself. Works (good works, not useless Jewish works of the law) are part of being justified. The Catholic Church teaches that justification begins at Baptism, when the Holy Spirit comes to us, even while we are infants. And "being saved" is a lifelong journey that doesn't end until we die and are allowed into heaven. A lot of Protestants talk about "when they were saved", as if it's in the past tense. Catholics would agree that whenever you began taking your faith in Christ seriously was certainly a great time, but it was only a first step, not the entire journey. What really counts is your faith at the time of death, not your faith when you first started believing 20 years ago. The next one is "Scripture Alone", which does not appear anywhere in the bible. The text most often used by protestants to back this one up is: 2 Timothy 3:16: All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, However great this passage is, the word "alone" does not appear in it anywhere. The word profitable does not mean only. If it did, then Titus 3:8 below would mean that good deeds are all we need to be saved: "The saying is sure. I desire you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to apply themselves to good deeds; these are excellent and profitable to men." Applying the word "alone" to scripture also means that anyone can properly interpret it, without the Magesterium and Sacred Tradition. In other words, the Catholic Church only claims infallibility with the official documents of the Church, spoken "ex cathedra" ("from the chair") by the Pope. This sola claims that anyone and everyone who interprets scripture on their own is infallible! And how wrong is this today, with over 30,000 Protestant denominations, with some even claiming that homosexuality is no longer sinful! The next one, "Grace Alone", isn't found in the Bible either. Catholics would agree that we are indeed saved by grace, which is a free gift from God. Where we differ is the method of how we receive that grace. The Catholic Church regularly dispenses sanctifying grace through the sacraments. The protestants believe that God just gives them grace whenever He wills it, sacraments or not. The Catholic version of this one would be that we are saved by grace, which increases our faith, and leads us to do good works as a very necessary fruit of our faith. The fourth one, "Christ Alone", also sounds great. Who could argue with the fact that we are saved by Christ alone? The problem with this is that the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity, the Holy Spirit, also plays a HUGE role in our salvation. According to the bible, we are temples to the Holy Spirit. Peter and the other apostles all followed Jesus and ate with him, talked with him, and tried to follow him. It wasn't until Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon them that they received power (Acts 1:8). Catholics receive the Holy Spirit at Confirmation, and can receive Him again and again through the laying on of hands by charismatics (to reinvigorate your faith). And what about the role that the Communion of Saints plays in our salvation? They lead us to Christ, as do our parents, our friends, and our fellow Catholics. The whole problem with this particular sola is that it isolates us into a "Me and Jesus" scenario, where I don't really need a Church or a family telling me what to do. And that is so wrong. Jesus set up His Church for a reason, to be His Kingdom on earth. And this sola allows for no glory to God our Father, who we pray to each and every time we say the "Our Father" prayer. The last one is Soli Deo Gloria, or "Glory to God Alone". This one also sounds like a winner. However, there is one problem with it. Jesus Himself said in John 17:22 that He gave His glory to his apostles (at the Last Supper, when He gave them the Eucharist). And while none of the apostles' lives or works will save us in and of themselves, they are indeed one with Christ (1 Corinthians 6:17) and they are partakers in the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). It really is okay to venerate the saints, which is not the same glory and honor we need to give to Christ. A lot of protestants confuse veneration of the saints with glory to God. Mention the Communion of Saints to a Protestant who says the Apostles' Creed every Sunday, and you will usually get a blank stare back. In other words, most Protestants who recite the Apostles' Creed say they believe in the Communion of Saints, but they do not know what it means. What it means is that the saints in heaven are our brothers and sisters in Christ who have gone before us, and who help us in our journey in this life. After all, Jesus says that they are ALIVE (Luke 20:38). And since they are partakers in the divine nature, according to 2 Peter 1:4, that means that they can hear us and help us. Catholics could come up with a lot of these solas. Since the bible says that we must eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus to have life within us (John 6), then we could say that we are saved by "The Eucharist alone". And since Paul talks about the value of personal suffering for the Church in Colossians 1:24, we could say that we are saved by "Suffering alone". And since the Bible says that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15), then we could formulate the doctrine of being saved by "The Church alone".And since we have to be forgiven for our sins before we can enter heaven, we could come up with the doctrine of "Confession alone". And how many more of these could we invent if we had the time? Lots. But to no purpose whatsoever. The Bible was meant to be taken as a whole, and to not be broken down into parts for convenience' sake. To sum up, all of this shorthand abbreviation for our faith in the 5 solas leads us away from the rest of what is necessary for salvation, like the Church, the Sacraments, prayer, helping the poor, performing good works, etc. After all, why do all of that if it's just me and my bible, me and Jesus, me and whatever....

@Marilyn-np2xh

10 күн бұрын

👏👏👏 Well said, Bibleman!! Protestants and all their ‘alones.’ 😂

@voyager7

10 күн бұрын

@@bibleman8010 Misrepresentation, over-simplification and generalization are typically the tools of those who know they are not truthful in representing the position they claim to oppose. Your first question likewise invalidates everything that follows, because you do not even try and understand the position with which you claim to disagree. You open with, "The first thing that is striking is that if they are all "alone", then why do the other 4 even exist"? Seriously? In 2024? Tell me you know nothing of the Lutheran position, without actually telling me you know nothing of the Lutheran position. You formulate straw men, thrashing them utterly and at an incredible pace, acting as if you've attained victory, later adding "The Bible is to be taken as a whole, not to be broken down into parts for convenience' sake". I bet you don't even know _anything_ about the position of the person with whom you're disagreeing; but you _must_ disagree because _"not Rome"_. We'll see where this goes in response before I elaborate on why none of the "solas" are exclusive to each other, speaking to different aspects of soteriology. Let me guess, awkward silence....

@voyager7

10 күн бұрын

@@Marilyn-np2xh I'd be cautious, "Bibleman" has chucked something worthy of a second-inning yank here, with lobbing soft pitches right down the middle. But you do you, because _must be Catholic_ .

@firstshallbelastuntilforev6782

10 күн бұрын

I would love to see a breakdown of all crucial misinterpretations of Luther which you claim to be all over the place. From what I anticipate you somehow view Luther as basically catholic and the differences between "his" Lutheranism which somehow got buried under the sand of who knows what, since that even his "brilliant" ideas couldn't be even comprehended by his offspring? Are you trying to paint that guy as some kind of misunderstood hero of Christianity? If his beliefs are not that far from catholic truth, then what are the benign differences that you in my understanding somehow hint to?It would basically boil down to usurping Romes authority and decentralizing church governance while maintaining catholic dogma, or is there something more that you see? What is your portrayal of Luther clearly please. Because to me his heresy is basically a glorified theologically faulty way of dressing up spiritual sloth as faith and reducing the culpability of sinning. From what I understood so far from his let's use a civilized word here:writings, or heretical theology as you wish L, is that it revolves at the core about disproportionaly overprojecting the power of sin over the wounded human condition rendering it basically broken and unable to do any good on its own, first question that arises here is what about everyone up till Christ or rather even up to Noah, wouldn't we have made it up to Noah if human nature without grace was destined to slavery to sin and yet Enoch was just and do was Noah. If according to Luther humans without basically being taken over by grace cannot do any good the how did Enoch become righteous and a friend of God? What is the source of his righteoussness according to Luther was it any specific promise given to Adam?Or something else? If so then what and how could he have done it on his own (Enoch) without the help of grace? You paint yourself as someone who has deeper insight into Luthers "actual theology" please give us such as this makes no sense to me and neither did it for the Church because according to great minds at their time he was deemed a heretic and as such his teachings, condemned, and that will never change. I hope you understand that what you wrote raises more questions that it gives answers and makes even less sense.

What is the will of the Father in Heaven? To believe in and to trust in his Son. You all are missing what the actual Christian faith is. It is faith alone. But, if you do not have genuine faith, you won’t do works. James was talking about those who claimed to have faith, but still lived their old life. Works are the fruits of faith. These are not confined to sacraments or beliefs that do not reflect the Gospel. These are submission to God’s will and a willingness and desire to spread the word. I do not come to this channel to argue, even though it seems like it from your end, I am sure. I am here because this channel especially has a tendency to misrepresent what your Protestant Brothers think. He infers Andrew Tate, a self proclaimed Muslim, is describing Protestantism accurately. The good priest misses the point. JD actually gets it right when he says faith inspires good works. Yes, it totally does! But, what good works are is 1. Not necessarily only or all of the sacraments deemed by the church. You will do them because you’re obedient, but not because it is necessary for salvation. 2. Look different depending on the person based on the will of God. Lastly, Protestants never have believed in non action. We believed we are saved, but because we are saved we want to be obedient to God’s Word….we understand what the word Church means….we understand at a basic level at least, the love Christ gave. We strive to do his will, but in the end we know that God has the responsibility of the results.

@CountCulture27

10 күн бұрын

By the way, the guy at the wheel panicked and needed a miracle. He got it. He was at the end of himself and God delivered him. We have all been or will be in the same spot in life he was, where nothing we can do helps. The man recognized the sovereignty and grace of God in that moment. I think you are missing the point of the story.

@Gio-ce8ob

10 күн бұрын

No one is arguing faith isn’t of importance. But even you admit you must do works, showing you don’t really believe in faith ALONE. You can have faith in something and not act on it, people do it all the time. You need faith and works carried out in love for the Lord and one another. Faith alone is misleading at best, at worst it’s just false

@CountCulture27

10 күн бұрын

@@Gio-ce8obWorks is the fruit of your faith, it is not the way to salvation. However, if your faith does not have works attached, then your faith is questionable. Works show obedience. You do not get saved by being baptized, however if you are saved you will be baptized because is obedience. Going to church, any church, does not save you. (In fact you may be saved despite your church). However, if you’re obedient you will go to a church that worships Jesus. I hoped I explained myself. If I am in error please show the verse. (I already explained the James verse by saying if you have faith without a change in your life, then your faith must be questioned)

once a person truly accepts salvation by faith, he or she must show words of being a new creature. the catholic church as you all teach will not save anybody. you all love the corrupt catholic church more then the teachings of the one savior Jesus Christ. REPENT!

@Gio-ce8ob

10 күн бұрын

You’re statement says you don’t believe faith alone either. You said it must be accompanied by works. You are very confused by a false teaching. You’re religion isn’t biblical, that’s why you’re confused and hostile. Sorry for you.

Salvation=faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone=John 3:16, Romans 5:1, Ephesians 2:8-9. To reject this makes one a heretic.

@TimSpangler-rd6vs

10 күн бұрын

1 hundred percent correct

@KBowWow75

10 күн бұрын

Matthew 25:1-13 (NIV) The Parable of the Ten Virgins ​1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ 7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’ 9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. 11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ 12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. Matthew 7:21-23 (NIV) True and False Disciples 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me.

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them" (Ephesians 2:8-10) by by faith alone🤔🤔

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

For God so loved the world that he gave 7 his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn 8 the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 9 And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed. 21 But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God. 22 10 After this, Jesus and his disciples went into the region of Judea, where he spent some time with them baptizing.😫😫

@bibleman8010

10 күн бұрын

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him