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Catholic Answers Focus: Is Baptism Really Necessary?

How can the Catholic Church teach that baptism is necessary for salvation when the Bible show people receive the Holy Spirit before baptism and when Paul tells us that Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel? The author of Meeting the Protestant Challenge, Karlo Broussard, explains.
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  • @microbroadcast
    @microbroadcast3 жыл бұрын

    These special 'Focus' videos on specific topics are a great idea. Thank you for posting and looking forward to more in this series.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @everydaycatholic8030
    @everydaycatholic80303 жыл бұрын

    I love these videos. Catholic answers has truly helped me to understand the Catholic position and this one helps me so much! I received the Holy Spirit apart from Baptism (I didn’t know the necessity of Baptism) and so I struggled with this teaching but knowing that God isn’t bound by His Sacraments and can save the ignorant like me makes me more Catholic! I’m in RCIA!

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Praise God! How did you receive the Holy Spirit? Technically you were still baptized though. You received the baptism that only Christ can give. The Holy Spirit for those who believe, and fire for those who reject Him.

  • @everydaycatholic8030

    @everydaycatholic8030

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv I was reading the Bible one night and I believed John 3:16 and had a mystical experience in which I actually perceived the Holy Spirit being given to me.

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@everydaycatholic8030 Awesome. God bless and Happy New Year.

  • @Kitiwake

    @Kitiwake

    2 жыл бұрын

    Very very much an exception imo.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@everydaycatholic8030 Hi. If you received the Holy Spirit, I do not think you would say, "I perceived." That is, our perceptions can be wrong. If you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you know it. Referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me (i.e. knows Me personally) shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside them unto eternal life." Conversely, if a person does not know the Holy Spirit, if they do not have that river of life, neither do they believe in Christ. Remember, ask and you shall receive! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @frate.alberto
    @frate.alberto8 ай бұрын

    🙌🏻†God bless!🙏🏻

  • @zekdom
    @zekdom3 жыл бұрын

    Around 8:56, “God is not bound by His sacraments. We can affirm baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom it is revealed in those who have the possibility to ask for it. But we can also affirm that God is not bound by His sacraments, and He can administer the graces of the sacrament in other ways outside the boundaries of the sacrament itself.”

  • @a.k.4486

    @a.k.4486

    3 жыл бұрын

    Which does not mean the sacrament is not necessary. The complete one is @2:25 "God has bound salvation to the sacrament of baptism but he himself is not bound by the sacrament". So the sacrament carries some effects but God can administer them to those to whom the Gospel has not been proclaimed.

  • @zekdom

    @zekdom

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@a.k.4486 I edited the comment for more context.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @zekdom

    @zekdom

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kenshiloh I think the Catholic response is that they’re teaching what Jesus taught in John 3:5, that the surrounding context of John 3 (as laid out in John 3:22) strongly points to water baptism. Also, that their teaching is in line with Paul’s words in Romans 6:4-6 and Galatians 3:27.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zekdom Hi. I hope that you will be committed to what is real and true! I know that I am challenging Catholic doctrine, but I am trying to save your eternal life. Paul wrote that even if he, Paul, were to preach a different gospel, he should be accursed. You quoted Romans 6.4-6, "We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." Let's suppose this means that water baptism is necessary for salvation. What, then, do you do with Romans 10.13, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved"? What Paul means is that, just by asking, you can be filled with the Holy Spirit. As Christ has said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." John the Baptist said, "One is coming after me...He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." Yet, if you claim that water baptism is necessary for salvation, you negate the words of Paul. You have to preach a different gospel, saying, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord in baptism..." Furthermore, you have to alter the words of Christ, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him through baptism." It is a totally different gospel. "Ask and you shall receive," says the Lord. "Be baptized and receive," say the Catholics. I hope that you will follow the Lord! Ask - and you shall receive! That is a promise of God. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @marymccannfrancis9855
    @marymccannfrancis98553 жыл бұрын

    Amen 🙏♥️🙏👍

  • @addisnet21
    @addisnet219 ай бұрын

    ❤️

  • @tamarin2k
    @tamarin2k Жыл бұрын

    Is our rite, ritual, sacrement, reglious acts required in addition to salvation which is God's work?

  • @GovtWatchdog
    @GovtWatchdog10 ай бұрын

    If physical baptism is not essential for the salvation of those who the Gospel has not yet been proclaimed to, why then wouldn't the Church be much more optimistic that babies who die in the womb go to Heaven?

  • @sadiepotcake5556
    @sadiepotcake55563 жыл бұрын

    If baptism removes temporal punishment, how did the believers in the old testament get their temporal punishment removed

  • @SheltonDCruz

    @SheltonDCruz

    2 жыл бұрын

    via the covenant(s)

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Do not be deceived; either a person knows Christ and is right before God or they do not know Him. On that great and terrible day, Christ will say to those who have not met the Lord, "Depart from Me; I never knew you." It is written that those outside of Christ will go away into everlasting punishment. There is no purgatory. When a person dies, they either know the Lord or are separated eternally from Him. There is no in between! Salvation is simply knowing the Lord and you meet Christ simply by asking! Jesus said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Saying that baptism is necessary to know the Lord is contradicting and disobeying Christ's gospel. I hope that you will gain absolute assurance of your salvation - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @AndreaRaeburn
    @AndreaRaeburn4 ай бұрын

    its a command in the bible so yes it is necessary. Matthew 28:19-20 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

  • @ArtVandelay-ImporterExporter
    @ArtVandelay-ImporterExporter3 жыл бұрын

    The problem is Peter references the Holy SPirit's falling on the believers in Cornelius' houselhold, not as an extraordinary event, but as the normal fulfillment of Jesus and John the Baptist quotes of baptizing with the Spirit.

  • @soteriology400

    @soteriology400

    5 ай бұрын

    Cornelius was regenerated before the act of baptism.

  • @KateHikes88
    @KateHikes88Ай бұрын

    John 3:5, simple as.

  • @charnelallan7159
    @charnelallan71593 жыл бұрын

    The scripture says repent and be baptized for this the will of god

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Peter did say that. But he was talking about the Baptism of John the Baptist, which they were still using for the purpose it was given; to bring a Jew back to a life dedicated to observance of the Mosaic Law. Repent and obey is the promise of the Old Covenant. Unfortunately the Old Covenant has no provision for obtaining eternal life in Heaven. The best you could hope for was a life of wealth and prosperity (Deut. 28)

  • @danielvinzent2520

    @danielvinzent2520

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv If it is true that water baptism brings someone back under the mosaic law: Why is Philipp baptizing the eunuch with water after preaching the gospel to him? (Acts 8,38-39)

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@danielvinzent2520 Well, the short answer is, the eunuch asked him to. It was a Pharisaical tradition. And there is evidence that the apostles continued to live their lives as Jews after Christ’s ascension. Let me ask you this. As believers in Christ as Savior, do you think that we should go to Synagogue every Sabbath to hear Moses preached?

  • @danielvinzent2520

    @danielvinzent2520

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv “the eunuch asked him to” Don’t you think Philip also did it because Jesus commanded his disciples to do so (Mt 28,19) and he linked baptism to salvation (Mk 16,16)? I would be interested to hear your thoughts on these commands of Jesus and what you think they mean. Regarding your question whether Christians should go to the Synagogue: I see no reason why they have to. Going to the Synagogue is (at least as far as I know) not even an explicit command of the Old Testament. I agree with you that the at the beginning the apostles continued to live like Jews in some way. But I also see a progress going on during which the early church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit step by step got taught which parts of the old covenant are still relevant in the new one (for example the prohibition to commit fornication) and which are not (for example circumcision). The council of Acts 15 makes that quite clear to me. So yes, the Apostles continued to go to the Synagogue and the temple but I think they did so not just because it was their Jewish custom but also to meet people who know the scriptures and to preach the gospel to them. When I investigate history, I see Christians and Jews separating more and more and the Christians stopping to go to the Synagogue. However, they DID NOT STOP TO BAPTIZE. Also gentiles and people who did not ask for it as the jailer in Acts 16.

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@danielvinzent2520 Hello sir. First of all, thank you for your very thoughtful response. I don’t normally get those. Like you, I have become very interested in the history, specifically how the people of the time thought and how they would have heard and understood the things Jesus and the disciples taught and did. First, I never heard growing up in the Catholic church how water baptism did not start with John the Baptist but with the Pharisees. Shortly after the Maccabean wars, the Jews developed a ritual that involved immersing a Gentile in water as the final step in converting to Judaism. Peter and Phillip appear to have continued that tradition, for lack of a better word, when bringing believers in Christ into the faith. As Mr. Brusard (not sure if that’s how it’s spelled) mentions in the beginning of this video, the early church was still promoting adherence to the Law of Moses. When James declares that the Gentiles should live there lives in obedience to, at least, some of the Mosaic law and that they should go to the synagogue every Sabbath to hear Moses preached, James is encouraging them in that direction. This would make sense from a certain prospective because salvation was “from the Jews” and Jesus said that he was sent to the “lost sheep of Israel “. That was what the apostles understood. Now, I hope I don’t lose you with this next part but, here goes. As followers of Christ we are no longer under ANY law. As Paul wrote in Galatians 5, anyone who tries to live a life under law has fallen from grace. Notice that he says, “under law”, not under THE law, which might imply the Mosaic Law. Now, some english translations do say, “the law” but most do not. We have been freed from law. No one can live a life under law and under grace. They are mutually opposed to one another. If one wants to try, they had better be perfect in their pursuits because that is the standard that Jesus imposes in Matt 5. I have gone on long enough. I look forward to your response, Happy New Year and may God Bless you and your family.

  • @cdeep4548
    @cdeep45482 жыл бұрын

    I’m a little confused. So let’s say a person who doesn’t believe u need to be baptized in order to be saved doesn’t get baptized, is that person now culpable for not following the command of Jesus Christ? Or does God not hold his ignorance against him and therefore accepts his faith as a form of baptism?

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @joycegreer9391

    @joycegreer9391

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenshiloh Yes, RCC preaches a different gospel. Baptism is not a requirement for salvation.

  • @georgepierson4920

    @georgepierson4920

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenshiloh Romans 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 12:13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? Galatians 3:27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Colossians 2:12 when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. Hebrews 6:2 instruction about baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement. Hebrews 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various baptisms, regulations for the body imposed until the time comes to set things right. 1 Peter 3:21 And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you-not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

  • @georgepierson4920

    @georgepierson4920

    Жыл бұрын

    @@joycegreer9391 Romans 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 12:13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? Galatians 3:27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Colossians 2:12 when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. Hebrews 6:2 instruction about baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement. Hebrews 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various baptisms, regulations for the body imposed until the time comes to set things right. 1 Peter 3:21 And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you-not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

  • @davidortega357
    @davidortega357 Жыл бұрын

    Baptism is similar to the act of circumcision in old testament it was an initial evidence outwardly of that religion of Judaism in the new testament after the day of Pentecost from that day forward water baptism is the net testament initial evidence outwardly of your commitment to Jesus Christ in the Bible especially in the book of Acts 2:38

  • @tomswan8914
    @tomswan8914 Жыл бұрын

    Romans 10. 9 through 13 kjv

  • @jzak5723

    @jzak5723

    Жыл бұрын

    Mark 16:15-16

  • @renjithjoseph7135
    @renjithjoseph71353 жыл бұрын

    Do you really archive these in the format of MO/DA/YR (122820)? Everyone knows the superior format is YEAR/MO/DA (20201228).

  • @sunnyjohnson992
    @sunnyjohnson99210 ай бұрын

    The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “Baptism is necessary for salvation.” (John 3:5)

  • @soteriology400

    @soteriology400

    5 ай бұрын

    John 3:5 is not referring to baptism. They were talking about the 2 births, the first being born of water in a mother’s womb, flesh is flesh as Jesus put it. The second birth is of the spirit, as Jesus put it, it is like the wind, you do not know where it comes from or where it is going, John 3:8. We see for example, the spirit moved on the Cornelius household, before they were even baptized. We see the eunuch experienced a change of heart before he was even baptized. We see Philip was baptized but did not experience regeneration. Having said that, it all depends on Gods mercy.

  • @billchiburis8654
    @billchiburis86543 жыл бұрын

    Lots of assumptions. Acts 10:44-48 these believers were saved before baptism

  • @ricklamb772
    @ricklamb772 Жыл бұрын

    if being babtised want necessary,Jesus Himself would not of demonstrated its necessity,by example,and His recieving the holy spirit.Anything Jesus did,do.Everything Jesus refused to do refuse it also.He wS sent here by His Father to introduce us to the true God,His Father,and to lead us in the ways of righteousness.And warn us of the tricks of satan,which He also demonstrated by tjrning satan down.

  • @douglasdde376
    @douglasdde3762 жыл бұрын

    I hold fast to it’s essential part of salvation, Jesus said for forth and tell everyone to be born again, oops no be baptized in the name and the father and the son

  • @Mr.Williams76
    @Mr.Williams763 жыл бұрын

    🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨💥

  • @charnelallan7159
    @charnelallan71593 жыл бұрын

    Wat is the purpose of baptism

  • @renjithjoseph7135

    @renjithjoseph7135

    3 жыл бұрын

    Rebirth in the Trinity. Being set apart for God. Having an indelible mark placed on you to be part of the Church. Opens you up for the rest of the sacraments.

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    It depends on which baptism you’re asking about. Baptism in water does nothing. Baptism in the Holy Spirit restores the Spirit of God that was lost in Adam, making us a living being. Just as Adam and Eve died in the very moment that they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so do we become alive when we believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

  • @renjithjoseph7135

    @renjithjoseph7135

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv John 3:5 "Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." The baptism is not proper without water according to Christ, the Early Church and the Apostolic Churches

  • @Wukles

    @Wukles

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s an outward manifestation of a Christian’s faith. It is the death and burial of our sin followed by the resurrection of the new life eternal, given as a free gift from God. It’s also a command given by God to do, after we believe and are justified.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@renjithjoseph7135 Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r
    @user-tz3zl1kr7r9 ай бұрын

    The new Catholic Encyclopedia states “Baptism is necessary for salvation “. Are you going against Catholic teachings? It’s confusing,right?

  • @georgepierson4920
    @georgepierson4920 Жыл бұрын

    Romans 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 12:13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? Galatians 3:27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Colossians 2:12 when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. Hebrews 6:2 instruction about baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement. Hebrews 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various baptisms, regulations for the body imposed until the time comes to set things right. 1 Peter 3:21 And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you-not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

  • @shihyuchu6753
    @shihyuchu67532 жыл бұрын

    NECESSARY..but NOT Necessary. Like moral certitude? Neither means ANYTHING

  • @georgepierson4920

    @georgepierson4920

    Жыл бұрын

    Romans 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one can say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 10:2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 12:13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slaves or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? Galatians 3:27 As many of you as were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, Colossians 2:12 when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. Hebrews 6:2 instruction about baptisms, laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgement. Hebrews 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various baptisms, regulations for the body imposed until the time comes to set things right. 1 Peter 3:21 And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you-not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

  • @rem7502
    @rem750219 күн бұрын

    10:35 so your argument is that the Holy Spirit is poured on certain individuals because God isn’t bound by His sacrament. Your implication being that despite the Spirit being given to Joshua for leadership, and Bezalel for Artistry, they were not saved? How did you come to the conclusion that they are not saved?

  • @lauraanderson7358
    @lauraanderson73583 жыл бұрын

    not necessarily. GOD can do whatever He wants.

  • @johsiantorres8495

    @johsiantorres8495

    3 жыл бұрын

    Learn how to spell.

  • @danielvinzent2520

    @danielvinzent2520

    3 жыл бұрын

    Of course, he can. And according to Scripture and church history he decided to link his invisible grace to visible signs. Which is appropriate as we are physical creatures which natural senses. The sacraments are God’s preferred way to give us his grace and the church is bound to them. But the Catholic faith also teaches that God CAN make exceptions and save people apart from baptism (you can read Nostra Aetate if you interested in that).

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@danielvinzent2520 Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @danielvinzent2520

    @danielvinzent2520

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kenshiloh Thanks for following up the this discussion after a long time. I do not see a contradiction between Paul's teachings and Catholic Doctrine because "calling upon the name of the Lord" and getting baptized are closely linked to each other. We can see this for example in Acts 22,16 where baptism and calling the name of the Lord are mentioned in one breath. And this makes sense to me because during the ceremony of baptism the name of the one and triune God - which is equally shared by the three devine persons - is invoked. The connecting between baptism and salvation could hardly be put clearer as by Jesus himself in Mark 16,16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved..." There also several other passages which bring the two together: Acts 2,38; Titus 3,5 and John 3,5. The last one is especially intresting because not just the early church fathers but also the Reformers of the 16th Century understood it as reffering to baptism (I can provide sources if you are interested). Now back to Paul: If you read Romans 5 in the light of verses 3 and 4 it becomes very clear how important baptism was for the Apostle. Especially when taking into account the previous chapter where he described orignal sin => baptism is the way out of original sin. However: These points should be considerd in light of what I have mentioned in my first post: According to Catholic teaching there is - under given circumstances - also the possibility to get saved without water baptism. We call it "baptism of desire" or "baptism of blood". Just let me know if you would like to get further details. Stay blessed.

  • @mosesmanaka8109
    @mosesmanaka81099 ай бұрын

    So it's not necessary for Salvation but it is necessary for Salvation. Great reasoning. Salvation is solely as a result of what Christ has accomplished on the cross, paying the Ransome price for our sins, nothing else. There is thus nothing more we could possibly do to add to or take away from what Christ has done. Anything which we do whether it is Baptism, the Eucharist, tithing, so-called good works, etc are all only an expression of our love and gratitude to Christ, it cannot add or contrabute towards our Salvation, it's not Christ plus ....., it's only Christ. As Paul says these are mere symbols. Is it good to be Baptized? Yes, it is because it is a visual and open declaration to the world of our commitment to Christ. Paul in Romans 10 incorporates another aspect which the Church seldom talks about and that is confessing with our mouths that God raised Jesus from the dead. Evangelism. We solely concentrate on Baptism or the Eucharist, never evangelising which Paul clearly states in Romans 10. The Scriptures say very little about the doctrine or sacrament of Baptism, it is mostly inferred. Read what Paul says in Romans 10: But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”-that is, the word [the message, the basis] of faith which we preach- because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification [that is, being made righteous-being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him [whoever adheres to, trusts in, and relies on Him] will not be disappointed [in his expectations].” For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile; for the same Lord is Lord over all [of us], and [He is] abounding in riches (blessings) for all who call on Him [in faith and prayer]. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord [in prayer] will be saved.” Romans 10:8‭-‬13 AMP

  • @amos3three941

    @amos3three941

    8 ай бұрын

    @amos3three941 0 seconds ago But not to be saved and He said to fulfill all that is righteous. Matt 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

  • @happydays310

    @happydays310

    2 ай бұрын

    The correct Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. Just belief required as there are no works for salvation Ephesians 2 8-9. Believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins was buried and rose again the 3rd day by which we are saved.

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r
    @user-tz3zl1kr7r9 ай бұрын

    The new Catholic Encyclopedia states:”Baptism is necessary for salvation.” John 3:5). You’re giving a Catholic viewpoint?

  • @BillyJoeBob-hd9fm
    @BillyJoeBob-hd9fm2 ай бұрын

    Did Jesus' baptism wash away his original sin?

  • @rem7502

    @rem7502

    19 күн бұрын

    Nope. He had no sin except ours which was imputed to Him. And his righteousness imputed to the believer

  • @JesusRulez-l3j

    @JesusRulez-l3j

    18 күн бұрын

    @@rem7502 There is no original sin. That was an idea invented by St. Augustine and is why people were so desparate to have babies baptized as soon as possible so the baby wouldn't go to hell if it died. Of course, under Thomas Aquinas the baby would not go to hell, but to Limbo, a nice natural place of happiness. And of course, Pope Benedict XVI did away with Limbo, so there's nothing to worry about: babies go to heaven, baptized or not!

  • @annafranc8081
    @annafranc80812 жыл бұрын

    4 types of baptisms: baptism of water, baptism of Holy Ghost, baptism of martyrdom and baptism of desire. If you die for Christ out of love for Him before you’re water baptised you will go to heaven.

  • @amos3three941

    @amos3three941

    7 ай бұрын

    where did you find those? post the bible verses support them and I am sure you do not have any for the last two. And your last statement proves you actually don't believe baptism saves you, which is actually right, whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

  • @themanufan8

    @themanufan8

    3 ай бұрын

    @@amos3three941 God is bound into the sacraments he is not bound by the sacraments. Just because the thief on the cross was saved (Baptism by desire) doesn't mean you don't have to follow Jesus's command to be baptized by water and spirit to be saved. The reason the church doesn't just use scripture is because of oral tradition which are the apostles teaching the early church fathers the gospel. Read the early church fathers on baptismal regeneration.

  • @nicktambolero4698
    @nicktambolero4698 Жыл бұрын

    2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Dear Catholics, you need to rightly divide the teachings in the Bible for you to fully understand God's word. We are gentiles not Jewish and according to the Bible God assigned an apostle for the gentiles in the person of St. Paul. Therefore, we as gentiles must adhere to the teachings of St. Paul. Romans 11:13 "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"

  • @georgepierson4920

    @georgepierson4920

    Жыл бұрын

    And your statement does not prove that Baptism is not needed.

  • @ignaciop9850
    @ignaciop9850 Жыл бұрын

    No bro, too long. I lost you.

  • @charnelallan7159
    @charnelallan71593 жыл бұрын

    Repent and be baptized as an 👶

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    As an... what? I can’t tell what that emoji is. :(

  • @renjithjoseph7135

    @renjithjoseph7135

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv emoji is of a baby. Infant baptism reflects the theological truth of us unable to do anything to obtain God's grace.

  • @gomezjkv

    @gomezjkv

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@renjithjoseph7135 The issue I have with that belief is that it does not allow an infant to accept or reject Jesus as Savior. An infant can only be present. No faith is involved. No opportunity to proclaim with their mouths that Jesus Christ is Lord. It’s an empty religious activity. And what happens when the child grows up and wants nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Which is my story. I reject the teachings of the Roman Catholic church and I’m a cradle Catholic. Now, if I got to hear the Gospel presented as Cornelius did and made a conscious decision that it was true and believed with my heart that Jesus Christ is Lord, then I would have the Spirit of God that was lost in Adam restored to me, as it should be. An infant cannot make that decision.

  • @renjithjoseph7135

    @renjithjoseph7135

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gomezjkv maybe you shouldn't feed your kid just in case he decides later he doesn't like it? Initial salvation is not based on your works or your faith. It is grace given freely by God. It is the grace of God that enables your faith. And nothing shows this more than infant baptism.

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@renjithjoseph7135 Hi. My concern is that Catholics require baptism for salvation, whereas my understanding of Scripture is that we are saved by calling on the Name of the Lord, then are baptized. Paul said, "Whoever preaches a different gospel, let him be accursed." Do you agree that the Catholic gospel is different than what Paul preached? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @Kitiwake
    @Kitiwake2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing grace.. sung at mass. "I'm saved because I believe" No mention of baptism or the eucharist.

  • @annafranc8081

    @annafranc8081

    2 жыл бұрын

    Please read John 3:5:”Unless be born again of water and Holy Ghost he cannot enter into kingdom of God.” You need to fear Lord God. That means being careful to please Him. Holy Sacraments are very important. I know Lord Jesus Christ is real in Eucharist because dog in a church (not my dog) tried to distract me from adoring Christ in Eucharist.

  • @tasfinye1850

    @tasfinye1850

    2 жыл бұрын

    St. Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r
    @user-tz3zl1kr7r9 ай бұрын

    Jesus set the example, by being baptized.

  • @amos3three941

    @amos3three941

    8 ай бұрын

    Surly you aren't saying Jesus got baptized to be saved! He states His reason, not to be saved but to fulfill all that is righteous. Matt 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    8 ай бұрын

    Jesus said Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; …

  • @amos3three941

    @amos3three941

    8 ай бұрын

    What did Jesus get saved from as you say? He got baptized to fulfill all that is righteous, just like He said it for, not to be saved. John the Baptist say Matt 3: 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto (because of) repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: the same command we have, we are baptized for obedience(righteosness sake) in water, Romans 10: 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, ”that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” No where does it mention baptism in the rest of the book of Romans.

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    8 ай бұрын

    Jesus appeared unto the eleven, and he said unto them Mark 16:15 … GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD, AND PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY CREATURE. 16 HE THAT BELIEVETH, AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED; …

  • @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    @user-tz3zl1kr7r

    8 ай бұрын

    Jesus was perfect everything he did was perfect. I am not perfect I chose to believe and be baptized, to be saved.

  • @kenshiloh
    @kenshiloh2 жыл бұрын

    Catholic church: you must be baptized catholic and partake of Catholic communion. Jesus the Christ: My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him. I choose to believe Christ. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @annafranc8081

    @annafranc8081

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lord Jesus Christ said in John 3:5”Unless a man be born again of water and Holy Ghost he cannot enter kingdom of God.”

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@annafranc8081 Hi. Thanks for writing. In all love and respect, I disagree that 'being born of water' is referring to baptism. However, let's suppose you were right, that baptism is necessary for salvation. Does that no negate Paul's gospel, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved"? You will need to make a choice: to follow the Bible or the teachings of the Catholic church; you cannot do both! Yet, you are missing the pure simplicity, the beauty of the gospel. That is, just by asking, we can meet Christ, we can be filled with the Holy Spirit - born again! Jesus said, "My Father will give the Holy Spirit to whoever asks of Him." Either that is true or Catholic doctrine is true, that you cannot receive the Holy Spirit unless you are baptized. I hope that you get to know Christ - just by asking! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @joycegreer9391

    @joycegreer9391

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kenshiloh Yes, it is either God's Word or the RCC'S word. I choose God. Water in that verse does not mean baptism. RCC seems to always ignore context, causing lots of contradictions in scripture.

  • @samuelbaez7530

    @samuelbaez7530

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@kenshiloh You should read; Romans 6, Gallatian 3:22-29 In Romans 6 Saint Paul is addressing his letter to Romans Converted. Same to the Gallatians. All of them all believer of the Gospel. Additionally read John 3 , the whole chapter and you will se that Jesus is taking about baptism, the same chapter in versicle 22 affirmed that he was talking about baptism. Blessings

  • @kenshiloh

    @kenshiloh

    Жыл бұрын

    @@samuelbaez7530Thanks for sharing your thoughts. My question is, is it relevant who Paul is writing to? He makes the statment, "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)." Is that a true statement? In all love and respect, you are missing the gospel, which is a relationship with God, which is salvation. It is written, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent (John 17.3)." That is, when a person meets Christ, when he or she is filled with the Holy Spirit, they are saved. Do you know the Lord or simply know about Him? Jesus died on a Cross so that, just by asking, we may know Him. If you would like to write out a Bible verse and explain what you think it would mean, that would make your position a bit clearer. Yet, concerning John 3, what makes you think that 'born of water' is water baptism? Is that what you believe? If so, why? Thanks! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

  • @shellsea1735
    @shellsea17353 жыл бұрын

    Baptism isnt necessary if planning on getting marked as beasts...

  • @johsiantorres8495

    @johsiantorres8495

    3 жыл бұрын

    LMAO who said anything about that this video isn’t about the mark fool