Being a survivor of Henry the 8th must have taken its mental toll. All of them are suffering from his mind control. To be 6th wife had to be very trying. She was picked by him and in a lot of movies and tv shows she didn't want him or the job but took it to be a mother to his children. Mary didn't need a mother, Elizabeth needed a mother but always had the stain of hers on her, and Edward was hidden from sight. What a family!

@raumaanking

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never killed and they were both still alive in this scene would Elizabeth have moved two on of their houses or would she have still lived with Catherine Parr

@sarahemilywhite

4 ай бұрын

This madman who was king.... executed 72 thousands people according to what I read online.... Let that sink in for a moment..... Yes, everyone was walking on fu*king eggshells in that time period. I could only imagine the mental tool it had taken on Catherine Parr to be his sixth wife. It must be terrifying that every minute he would send you to the scaffold for God knows what.

@th8257

2 ай бұрын

Monarch's names are written with Roman numerals. It's written Henry VIII, not Henry the 8th

Man, Catherine went from Henry to Thomas, and died a year later in childbirth. What a sad life she lived.

@pashamorris1497

2 ай бұрын

Then even after her death...her body was assaulted 200yrs later

@libbyallen2566

2 ай бұрын

@@pashamorris1497really?! What happened?

@northstar2621

Ай бұрын

​@@pashamorris1497 Yeah! I read about that. Lost my appetite for a moment

I wonder why Elizabeth here is shocked, her mother was beheaded when she was three, Catherine Howard when she was 7 or 8. She knew daddy was quick to get rid of his wives

@raumaanking

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard has still been alive in this scene and they just got a divorce from Henry the 8

It is sad to think we can only deduce through what little historical records we have about Henry's thoughts about this time. We know that he was fearful for the Succession that much is clear with what he has done but as a lover of Tudor history I am very critical of these shows because they often take artistic license and it takes a real person like Natalie Dormer who played Anne Boleyn in The Tudors to say "Whoa we need to step back here and try to stay with the historical records." This actress does a good job of showing the mental strain of surviving Henry though I doubt Catherine Parr would have gone straight to Thomas Seymour's bed as soon as Henry died. There is evidence that she at least followed the court ritual of mourning.

@kiamaria331

Жыл бұрын

How long was the mourning period during that time? And did monarchs have to abide by it?

@RogueMustangMare

Жыл бұрын

@@kiamaria331 Normally a year but if you're Henry VIII and it's not for Jane Seymour? Maybe a few seconds?

@Rowaenthe

Ай бұрын

She married Thomas Seymour barely five months after Henry's death. Not even half a year. So no, she did not in fact observe court mourning, and she did indeed go straight to Seymour's bed. She had been in love with him long since before she married the King.

This is what Henry VIII's stuff up had caused, if he hadn't have chucked that tantrum of his, families would never have been divided, Henry has done more damage to the monarchy than any monarch to date thereby making Henry the worst monarch in English history and this is a hill I will die on.

@Belinda8881

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought that Henry VIII behaved as an unbalanced tyrant.I read that one of the causes of such behaviour was a bad fall he had during a tournament/joust.It must be a bad fall indeed to cause such unpredictable and cruel behaviour.Henry got rid of his first wife , had his second wife beheaded and got rid of most of his closest friends.The execution of Thomas More and other men of letters and thinkers showed how cruel and unbalanced the king had become.The people were crushed too always when the subject was religion.

@csbstudios9979

2 жыл бұрын

@@Belinda8881 Yeah, he was an absolute tyrant, and I remember hearing about that incident (ergo how he had a jousting incident), Henry was a pathetic man, but I know quite a few people will disagree with me when I say that I hold Anne Boleyn partly responsible for Henry's actions. Henry is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Catholics, and had broken away from the Catholic Church.

@PapaPalpatine666

2 жыл бұрын

You mean tower hill you'll die on if he were king now .😉

@sl7883

2 жыл бұрын

judging by your christ-ey profile pic im guessing youre a catholic and im sorry but the catholic church had to go. its been 500 years we can move on now. he was a horrible man but his daughter was an incredible monarch and without history unfolding the way it did she never would have come about

@csbstudios9979

2 жыл бұрын

@@sl7883 Actually, it was not the Catholic Church that had to go, nor was Henry's actions popular with the English people. The Reason the Anglican sect was founded, was because Henry wanted to have a divorce. When he was refused this divorce, he broke away from Rome and the Anglican sect was born and with it came theology that is about as English as Martin Luther himself and Martin Luther is a foreigner. People were not happy with these innovations that crept across the English Channel into England. In fact, a majority of them were angry with these changes and contrary to what you have told me, the fact of the matter is that I would disagree with your praise of Elizabeth in fact Elizabeth was not an incredible monarch. She was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Catholics, and indeed, if it wasn't for her half-sister Mary, Elizabeth would have never come to the throne and it was Mary who set the strong foundation for Elizabeth to build on. While I will mention Elizabeth's relentless persecutions of Catholics, there were numerous other factors that made her a horrible monarch and they are: 1. She had brought upon herself the Spanish Armada, which although she won over, it was Elizabeth who provoked Spain and not the other way around. 2. Contrary to the myth that Elizabeth was tolerant, Elizabeth not only killed Catholics, but other protestants such as Anabaptists and others who were not Anglican. 3. Crime was rampant in the Elizabethan age because the poor were starving, and there was rampant classism. Furthermore if we add the numbers from the Raithlin Island Massacre. Then Elizabeth is guilty of the deaths of over 1000 Catholics from all corners of the British Isles.

Elizabeth was just a child. She was 13 when her father died. A child. No child should have these kind of things weighing on them. Her brother, a king at 9 years old. Mary, Queen of Scots a queen at only 6 DAYS old. They had regents but still the responsibility of a nation on the shoulders of a child being bullied but power driven men.

@steelers6titles

Жыл бұрын

That may well have been a factor in the Founding Fathers deciding that there was to be no monarchy in this country. No children in positions of authority whatsoever. They're children.

Phew that was a close one! Those conversations add so much to the story. Thanks for posting Lili!

It must be very exhausted and horrible to be the wife of Henry VIII. I have my theory on the relationship with Catherine Parr and Henry VIII : as long as I am agree that Catherine Parr save herself by her intelligence I don't think to this point of the survey that Henry VIII would think of the execution of Catherine Parr. Remember that he left her to explain on what she was accused of in his presence unlike Katherine Howard and Anne Boleyn ( when he refuse to see them again when they were arrested ). I think at this point unlike those two queens mentioned he hadn't made up his mind to put her to death. P.S:I make no excuses to Henry VIII he was one of the worst husbands in the history of the monarchy and he was no good at all with Catherine Parr.

@astrofabio68

Жыл бұрын

how different if Prince Arthur were survive!

I always sympathised with Elizabeth because I also survived a sexual coercion when I was nine to ten, and I live in a rather progressive society than the Tudor England! I shudder to imagine what concerns and anxieties she went through in this strictly patriarchal and unfair society...

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Oh I'm so sorry 😞 I hope you are okay now! 🙏

@sanchirmendsaikhan1587

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel Thank you, that means a lot, coming from a completely random person from a social media platform. I moved on with my life perfectly fine thanks to my amazing friends.

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

@@sanchirmendsaikhan1587 That's good to hear!

@joeblogs-vx4ep

3 ай бұрын

​@@sanchirmendsaikhan1587 the patriarchy again 🥱 if it wasn't for the patriarchy you'd have nobody to build your houses build your roads fight your wars what have woman collectively contributed to society ? Very little ..

You are a rockstar for uploading these videos! I loved Carlos Rey Emperador thanks to you uploading the videos. Thanks for your hard work!

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Thanks ❤

Imagine how much history would have been different if Henry, duke of cornwall would have survived.

@csbstudios9979

2 жыл бұрын

England would have remained Catholic, if Henry (Henry VIII) did not chuck his little tantrum.

@adriannespring8598

2 жыл бұрын

@@csbstudios9979 Yuuuuuup. True that. The irony.

@csbstudios9979

2 жыл бұрын

@@adriannespring8598 What exactly is ironic about Henry's tantrum?

@adriannespring8598

2 жыл бұрын

@@csbstudios9979 Meaning if that one person had lived then the country wouldn't have had so much bloodshed & totally ripped itself apart. Sadly Catherine also would have had a much happier and likely longer & healthier life as would Mary. Vs being so stressed with anxiety, terror & depression from Henry's constant power struggles.

@csbstudios9979

2 жыл бұрын

@@adriannespring8598 Families would not have been divided and Henry would have been a great King had he remained Catholic and not broken away from the Catholic Church to run away with Anne Boleyn. But unfortunately, Henry broke away from Rome and the country was ripped apart.

Catherine would never have spoken to Elizabeth like this, nor would she have criticised the KING OF ENGLAND so openly…. (People could be put to death for stuff like this) She was widely reported to treat her stepchildren with as much love as if they were her own. She actually cared about them, and thus version shows none of that

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Yet she openly participated in Thomas's abuse of Elizabeth. She held her down herself so that Thomas could cut her death. She might have shown love to Henry's children before that, but she did horrible things when Elizabeth was in her care and she was Thomas's wife.

@xxwhispersxx2856

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel The woman truly had her head in the sand about Thomas.

I really wonder/doubt if these historical people had such frank dinner discussions, back in the 1600? (I do understand that this is all done for dramatic effect in a TV series) They may have thought all these thoughts, but even in anger & spite I think they were very careful which words they choose and spoke. Words alone could be seen as treason, back then. ✌🏻

@Lily1127channel

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but this is a very private conversation at a dinner table only with the "family". And they say no bad things about the current king, only the former one, so I don't think there is anything even remotely treasonous. Considering what went on in this house (Seymour's indiscretions...), a conversation like this could have been least of the problems 😀 And anyway, somehow they had to explain to Elizabeth here what the problem was with her letter and what it caused. If they don't have a frank discussion, it will be worse. I think historical dramas would be close to meaningless without these deep conversations. Here Catherine Parr's character gets a new shade and layer in these, when you see what she went through and how she ended up being the way she is.

@janehollander1934

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I partially agree with you, dear @Lili1127 . Some of their recorded actions were extremely careless & dangerous. And had deathly results of some of them. And yes, it may have been a very "private" dinner conversation. But they are living a kind of emerging "spy" state (King Henry the VIII had been very paranoid - and it got even worse under Queen Mary's & Queen Elizabeth's reign). Where everybody could inform on anybody - for gain. Where even your "private" thoughts and words almost weren't your own or weren't safe. Their servants could have been informers (paid by "outsiders"/interested parties) to have private talks & actions reported to those "in power". And it may not have been about the reigning King but it still sounds like dangerous opinions to express. So I personally think they are being very careless in their speech.✌🏻

@Lily1127channel

2 жыл бұрын

@@janehollander1934 Well if they had any worry about spies in their household or anything, I guess they should have started by not behaving so improperly to Elizabeth 😀 which could have been reported to Edward or the Protector, and then Thomas and Catherine would have been in big big trouble. But carelessness was Thomas Seymour's middle name. The way he met his end was the result of his very little judgement about what is treasonous and what is not. I generally think that these deep conversations, even if it is not 100% realistic to have happened, are the cores of a good period drama. Without them they woulf be almost meaningless. But that's just my opinion.

Calling your mother a w****…. Poor Elizabeth!

@steelers6titles

Жыл бұрын

Anne Boleyn was "the Great Whore", as far as the country was concerned. Most historians consider her the victim of a vicious frame-up. She died nobly, perhaps assured that she would be vindicated in the afterlife. She was thinking of her daughter's safety.

@steelers6titles

Жыл бұрын

Of course, the venom was directed only at Anne. Englishmen who valued their lives, except perhaps intensely-devout Catholics who didn't care what happened to them, did NOT call the King the consort of a whore. Not if they knew what was good for them.

I love this scene!! It was one of my favorites!! To really see katherine, her side of the story. Idk.

As a best-selling Protestant author, and a heretic to Rome, it may have been a very wise move for Catherine to gain the protection of Europe's most powerful non-Catholic monarch through matrimony. But, of course, being married to Henry VIII carried its own mortal danger.

I didn´t know that the king ordered Catherine Parr ´s arrest. It seems she escaped by a hair´s breath when de died.

@micheleford4282

2 жыл бұрын

he ordered her arrest but she was never actually arrested she was under suspicion and they brutally questioned her friends but she was never touched or removed by anyone. she just didnt like being afraid and was in constant worry henry would kill her i think most people were at that time because he was getting worse in his old age and more quick to temper. yall have to realize that these tv show adaptations taken certain liberties with the truth for drama's sake

@RogueMustangMare

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he necessarily ordered her arrest, more like Gardiner whispered his poison about Catherine into Henry's ear and Henry asked for an investigation to be ordered. Gardiner was quick to draw up an arrest warrant based on scant evidence and it was only through Catherine's quick thinking that saved her. And considering he didn't like to do much work especially as he got older and his health really began to decline it wouldn't surprise me if he had someone else signing his name and Gardiner took advantage of that.

@tracymorgan5386

Жыл бұрын

History has proven that Henry was on the verge of ordering Catherine arrest but she got to Henry the night before and basically talked him out of it without even bringing it up and the next day when the guards came to arrest her Henry verbally lashed at the guards and told them to leave his wife alone. Catherine saved her own life quite brilliantly I might add.

@Belinda8881

Жыл бұрын

@@tracymorgan5386 She was very Cléver.

@micheleford4282

Жыл бұрын

@@tracymorgan5386 well henry in his old age was subject to be turned towards the ideas of the that person that whispered in his ear he wasnt doing well mentally i think but he was always a bully with a bad temper

This conversation would've NEVER happened

@robbyten100

2 жыл бұрын

It's a tv show. They all have a narrative to they need to choose for storytelling purposes. In truth no one knows what conversations took place 500 years ago.

Catherine is terrible to Elizabeth, honestly I dislike her.

@Shane-Flanagan

2 жыл бұрын

That's just the show. The real Catherine and her relationship with Elizabeth was different

@twelfthlady847

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shane-Flanagan I agree, the real Catherine was a brilliant woman.

@Lily1127channel

2 жыл бұрын

The real Catherine was so "good" that she held Elizabeth while Thomas cut off her dress. I don't doubt she had a good side too but she was very far from being that good and holy woman most adaptations have showed so far.

@victorrodrigueesoficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel That was not Catherine Parr but Kat Ashley... Right? Catherine Parr never allowed her stepdaughter (whom she loved as a real daughter) and her beloved husband fornicate or "play" under her roof. The real Catherine Parr was shocked when she found out that Elizabeth and Thomas were almost doing it...

@Lily1127channel

2 жыл бұрын

@@victorrodrigueesoficial No, the one holding her down on that occasion was definitely Parr, by all accounts. Kat also didn't protect Elizabeth as she should have had, but the one in the bizarre dress cutting scene was Parr. Parr also participated in the morning "tickling" visits. Why she was then so shocked when she caught Elizabeth and Thomas alone embracing that she sent her away, not sure, but she definitely had participation before. I don't know why she behaved in that way to her when she had been a loving mother to her and her siblings, but love makes you do crazy things, I guess.

So when did 'polite society' finally arrive in England?

@neverforever4787

Жыл бұрын

how do you mean by 'polite society'?

@B.B.Digital_Forest

Жыл бұрын

@@neverforever4787 I mean they don't drop f-bombs in conversation.

@neverforever4787

Жыл бұрын

@@B.B.Digital_Forest That's added to the show for dramatic effect. I mean I don't know the entire etymology of the f word, I don't even know if it existed back then (1540's) but they definitely had their own versions of curse words.

@neverforever4787

Жыл бұрын

@@B.B.Digital_Forest Also remember this is a private dinner within their own household, "behind closed doors" as they say. It's not like they're speaking like this at a feast at court. Even during the ultra-conservative Victorian period you probably had families speak like this amongst themselves. Mine certainly do lol

@B.B.Digital_Forest

Жыл бұрын

@@neverforever4787 But think of the children...who could be the next ruler of Britain!

This version of KP, so far off, dark, mean spirited. A total fiction.

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Well, I would say it is, in a way, still closer to the reality than previous adaptations. Catherine has always been portrayed as a perfectly good and kind woman. A woman who could have never committed the things Catherine indeed committed when she was Thomas's wife. Things like participating in Thomas's "morning visits" to Elizabeth's chamber. She held down Elizabeth while he cut her dress. She did dark and mean things indeed.

@jaclyn1755

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel Yes, I do think KP became insecure & jealous of Elizabeth because of Thomas' attention having turned away from her.

I can't help laughing at the pearl-clutching and vapors over the Dowager Queen using the word "fuck" in colloquial conversation and the insistence by some commenters that this is historically inaccurate. Brace yourselves: That word has been used in the English language since before Henry II's reign, way back in 1154 -- the 12th century. It was not unknown or uncommon and frequently used in both common and noble circles. It really became popular in the 15th and 16th centuries as a curse or epithet, and that's smack-dab right in the reign of Henry VIII. What you have to remember is that words that may have a certain shock value or censorship now were not regarded the same way five hundred or even a thousand years ago. Language shifts and changes, and words that were used in everyday conversation then might be considered less appropriate today, and vice versa. Even the word "fanny" means something completely different in England than it does in the States, but give it another couple of centuries and that could change. So I assure you, "fuck" was around, it was out and it was proud, and the humans of the day used it quite freely -- as they did the two "C" words referring to the male and female nether regions. ;)

Who is she on about when Cathrine Parr says that silly girl

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Catherine Howard, Henry VIII's 5th wife. Catherine Parr was the 6th wife.

@raumaanking

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel yeah I had a feeling lol I need your opinion on a few questions hope you don’t mind answering but don’t you think Henry the 8 should have Given Anne Boleyn a divorce and sent her to a nunnery and never had her killed and Cathrine Howard given her a divorce and sent her far away living up north of England far away from court of just made her live in the Tower of London because eventually most likely she would have out lived Henry the 8 and I am sure Edward the 6 would let her go but I Have a question if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard got a divorce and if they were both still alive during Mary’s reign what would have happened and if Henry the 8 died and both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were still alive what would their reaction be hearing their x husband death and could Elizabeth live with one of them instead of Cathrine Parr which blocks the hole history we know of the grooming that Thomas Seymour did to Elizabeth surprised he did not do it to Lady Jane Grey as well thanks those are a few questions

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

Hm, good questions, I am not sure I can give you a proper answer but I will try. I think the biggest problem with the divorce was that divorce was still not a 100% legal thing back then. Annulling a marriage, like Henry's marriage to Anne of Cleves, was more of an option, but it required that the marriage was never consummated. In that case there was a legal "divorce". But in case of certain consummation, the most common view of divorce was still that a man can have only one wife and he can only marry another if the first wife died. If he just repudiated her, he could still not marry legally, and any new woman could only give him bastards. Elizabeth was called a bastard by many because she was born while Catherine of Aragon was still alive. So Henry, who wanted a male heir very much, probably thought that, with Catherine of Aragon dying in exile and Anne Boleyn not giving him sons, the "cleanest" way of securing his succession would be Anne's death. That way he was free to marry in the eyes of everyone, of every kind of church, of every kind of authority. He was free to have a "fresh" start with Jane Seymour, and it was 100% certain that no one could call any son of Jane and Henry a bastard. Completely legal marriage, completely legal sons and heirs. If he had let Anne live, there would have always been a small chance that anyone who wanted to challenge Henry and Jane's son's right to rule would say: "he cannot be king, he is a bastard, Henry had a living wife when he married Jane". Or at least that's how Henry was thinking. He wasn't willing to take any risks when it came to securing the succession with sons. He preferred to kill everyone and anyone just to have his way, and human lives didn't really matter to him. It was always more important to have his way, to rule as he wanted, to secure his succession with sons. So he rather killed Anne with false charges just to have a fresh start with a new fertile wife and have sons. When it comes to Catherine Howard, I think he killed her because she hurt his pride when she cheated on him. And Henry killed people for far less. Sure, he could have let her live, exiled to somewhere, in a prison or something. Nothing compelled him to execute her, he was not fertile anymore, there was no chance for more sons with a new wife either. Sending women to a nunnery was not an option in Henry's time anymore, because nunnery is a Catholic thing and Henry broke with the Catholic Church to marry Anne in the 1520s. It would have been quite a funny situation if at the time of Henry's death, 4 former wives of his had lived: Anne B, Anne of Cleves, Catherine H, Catherine P. I don't know if Elizabeth could have lived with her divorced mother in that case. I think she would have had to live with the Dowager Queen, Catherine P, in that case too. I think Mary I would have executed Anne B and Catherine H, because they were Protestants. She would have sure taken her chance to get her revenge on Anne for her mother Catherine of Aragon.

@raumaanking

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel hi yes I agree with you this is my opinion I think if Anne Boleyn got a divorce I think exile will be the only one but don’t forget Anne Boleyn was not popular and was known as a whore so maybe she might have no one to back up her daughters claim I mean who would apart from the Boleyn’s and the Howard’s and yeah I think what would happen would be Henry would have had her in the Tower during The marriage with him and Jane Seymour Anne Boleyn reaction would be upset that he married Jane but then when she gives birth to a son she will be jealous but when Jane dies Anne would probably be very happy then I think Anne would be allowed to live in exile but would be in the same state as Cathrine of Aragon I think banished and alone but I think when Henry married Anne of cleves I have a weird feeling she might have written to Anne Boleyn about her daughter and how she is doing I think the divorce could make Anne Boleyn annoyed because I bet she would write to her to ask if she can meet Elizabeth secretly but fails and then Henry Married Cathrine Howard I think she would be happy to get her closer to meet Elizabeth and I think she might have talked to Henry to ask if Anne Boleyn can see her daughter but I think the answer would be no but both cousins would both write letters too one another but say they got a divorce she was sent to the Tower Anne Boleyn would be horrified and then the marriage to Cathrine Parr I think she would also Wright to Anne Boleyn about Elizabeth on how she is doing then Henry the 8 dies I think Anne Boleyn could be upset but then happy Edward the 6 becomes king and I think Anne Boleyn would not like that Jane Seymour son taking over but she wrote letters to him asking too see Elizabeth I think they might meet after years and years but then I do agree the whole Elizabeth thing would have happened with Thomas Seymour now when Cathrine Parr dies I bet Anne Boleyn would right both Edward to ask if Elizabeth can live with her but then she would wright to Elizabeth to possibly escape and marry a powerful Protestant to a Protestant country like Sweden but this fails and then Edward the 6 dies now the men would probably want to try and put Lady Jane Grey as queen I think Anne Boleyn and George Boleyn was still alive then both of them would try and make Elizabeth queen but at the same time safer and not make their plan public I think when Edward dies and Lady Jane Grey becomes Queen Anne Boleyn would Wright to Elizabeth asking her for them to flee the country because she is worried for their safety however this plans fails and Mary the 1 becomes queen and sends Anne Boleyn to the Tower of London and puts Elizabeth in house arrest and probably lock George Boleyn in the Tower of London eventually the Wyatts rebellion happens and Anne Boleyn is sent to death burnt for Hersey along with her brother and with Anne Boleyn being alive during Mary’s reign that could have made it closer and make Elizabeth even more nervous that she could be killed infact having Anne Boleyn alive would definitely made her closer in getting executed. As for Cathrine Howard I think she would be living in the Tower of London I don’t think she would like Cathrine Parr because she replaced her but then when Henry the 8 dies she would have been so happy and probably wrights to Edward the 6 if she can leave the Tower of London and be free Edward would agree and I think since Edward was asked to marry Lady Jane Grey or Mary Queen of Scots with Edward Seymour backing Mary queen of Scots and Thomas Seymour backing Lady Jane Grey since their was that Seymour brother beef thing I think Edward Seymour might think for Edward the 6 to maybe even marry Cathrine Howard and for her to be queen consort of England and invite her to court but I don’t think Edward the 6 would accept the marriage now you said she is Protestant you might be shocked but she was actually a catholic but just not very religious if you didn’t know that yeah I also thought she was Protestant this whole time as well lol but yeah and then I think their might be a good relationship with Edward the 6 and Cathrine Howard but nothing personal I think Cathrine Howard would still be able to meet Elizabeth don’t think she would want to meet Mary because that would be awkward lol and then I think she would be happy hearing Cathrine Parr death or maybe not care as much I think she would probably live far away from London hearing the death of Edward the 6 would probably make her sad I think she might have married Thomas Culpepper and then after that she probably would not bother of Lady Jane Grey is on the throne and then in the wyatts rebellion she is taken to the Tower of London I don’t know if she would be killed don’t forget she was a catholic and the hatred was not personal and Mary was probably just jealous of Cathrine Howard nothing else but if she was killed she would be executed both burnt since that was for Protestants but yeah this is all just my opinion but it would be a cat fight if both Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were still alive during Mary’s reign lol

@cg8397

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel I don't agree that he could not execute Catherine Howard, if she got pregnant by any of her affairs then her child would be in line to the throne. That's why adultery by a Queen Consort also incurred charges of treason, for which the sentence was death.

Why are they all dog piling on Elizabeth here?

Why did you reupload this ?

@Lily1127channel

2 жыл бұрын

It is not a reupload, it is the continuation of the video I uploaded on Saturday. Part 1 & 2, as indicated in the title.

@savagedarksider5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel Thank you for the clarification.

Switched this crap off after the first F-bomb, of which there were many. Why do they have to ruin everything?

@steelers6titles

Жыл бұрын

Isn't historically accurate anyway, since the four-letter acronym starting with "F" dates from later Puritan times, unless I'm mistaken. Elizabeth herself was fond of "God's blood!", which was a very strong oath at the time.

@privatecitizen1246

2 ай бұрын

It's just a word, like any other. You obviously have no idea how people spoke in the middle ages.

@Rowaenthe

Ай бұрын

@@steelers6titles Please. That word has been around since at least the 12th century and came into really popular use as an epithet during the 15th and 16th centuries. They used it all the time, liberally, in various forms -- adjective, adverb, verb, and noun. So you are indeed mistaken, and this IS historically accurate. 😂

@steelers6titles

Ай бұрын

@@Rowaenthe I go with what I said. If you can cite any earlier usages of Fornicating Using Carnal Knowledge, I gladly stand corrected.

@Rowaenthe

Ай бұрын

@@steelers6titles There are several documents using the word going back to the 12th century, babe, all easily researched. I recommend Paul Booth's work and the later works of John Florio around 1598. You can 'go with what you said' as much as you like. All that says to me is that you'd prefer to stand on your rock rather than do the work. That's your problem. ;)

Well don't be a Protestant...... Kidding.

I very much doubt that they would be useing all the F words that this series wants us to believe

@Rowaenthe

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Oh hell no, they used that word enthusiastically and liberally at the time. Don't kid yourself. LOL That word has been around for a very, very, very long time.

Interesting