You can see the evolution of Elizabeth who survived her father who could at any time kill her, calculating in her head that she still has to be careful with her stepmother.

@KP-zd3hc

Жыл бұрын

Wtf… she never faced being executed by her own father…. He simply just dgaf about her….

@KL-ki8db

Жыл бұрын

@@KP-zd3hc He executed her own mother and second cousin, Elizabeth had to be careful to not make the wrong move or she might have shared their fate.

@bunnicula38

Жыл бұрын

@@KP-zd3hc Nope - she is being depicted as a dumb ass Henry VIII defender here which I doubt she ever was.

@melissa.tmordi7767

Жыл бұрын

@@KP-zd3hc Henry most likely never harmed Elizabeth only because she lived mostly away from him and had little political power. She probably saw the example he made of Mary, banning her from seeing her dying mother, having someone threaten to smash her head like an apple if she didn’t accept the new Protestant religion and lien any intelligent person, stayed low key.

@ktoi138

Жыл бұрын

Mary her sister was contemplating execution on her, not her father he was even convinced by Jane Seymour to put her back into concession. Which is how it went Edward, Mary, Elizabeth if you don't count Jane Grey, that was a fluke by the Seymour family.

People hate on this show but I’m eating up this scene of a 14 year old Elizabeth, knowing her dad was violent but only hearing for the first time one of his victims, another of her mother figures, laying it all out for her what it took to survive him.

@chinavaughan6383

Ай бұрын

Yes, Henry’s last wife had to tread very carefully if she wanted to keep from being sent to the chopping block😟

@nassauguy48

Ай бұрын

She obviously knew about what happened to her mother and was eight years old when her cousin and stepmother Catherine Howard was executed. She vowed right then and there that she would never marry.

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

Ай бұрын

@@nassauguy48 You don't know when or what she ''vowed'' , no need to go as far in your speculations.

Little did Catherine guess the horrors of being married to Thomas Seymour, the man she loved... and who betrayed her repeatedly.

@xxwhispersxx2856

Жыл бұрын

She really got dealt such a rotten hand in life.

@linzainib7441

Жыл бұрын

Well she loved thomas more than hernry that's why she knew Henry was amonster but thomas. She couldn't because she truly loved thomas what I do hope that cathrine and thomas are both reunited in hereafter. All there sins forgiven because both are humans and capable of good and bad, it doesn't matter what thomas done or cathrine how many times she forgave thomas on earth ijust hope they are together

@kaedetachibana3884

9 ай бұрын

IRL a noble queen whose was too good to be waisted on the hearts of men who could only love themselves and their ambitions

@di3486

8 ай бұрын

@@linzainib7441love is foolish

@pashamorris1497

Ай бұрын

​@@linzainib7441@linzainib7441 WHY would you hope Catherine and Thomas are together? Thomas married Catherine Parr bc she was RICH and was the ex Queen Of England. The WHOLE TIME they were married...Thomas Seymour was grooming Elizabeth 1st and MORE THAN LIKELY molesting her all the while under Carherine Parr's roof. That's nuts to THINK that Thomas Seymour actually loved Catherine Parr and didn't use her to his advantage while trying to groom the future Queen Of England and asking her to marry him one day. Seymour was a man who used everyone he encountered. SO no that wasn't a marriage or LOVE...that was a marriage of convenience on the part of Thomas Seymour. Now while Catherine Parr prolly actually loved Seymour...it wasn't reciprocated in actions...merely words for his OWN SELF-ADVANTAGES ANDDD ADVANCEMENTS

No person deserves what happened to Anne Askew. The way that they tortured people back then LEGALLY is absolutely revolting. How could someone do that to another person? It’s sickening

@molarmaven3264

Жыл бұрын

@Madame d'Badger Her torture was illegal.

@kkandsims4612

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s easy to Judge them with our modern yes and education but we today Have Probably just ask sick human things we do if not worse and we consider it ethical even know 400 years from now they will cringe and say the same thing my point is .( not that I support humans hurting g other human’s.) we should not Judhe the ones before us with our modern eyes .

@molarmaven3264

Жыл бұрын

@@kkandsims4612 Sorry but I did not understand your reply.

@boycraz2

Жыл бұрын

@@kkandsims4612 It was deemed illegal back then for good reason. Yes those times were horrible and brutal but there were still laws so people couldn't be harmed by what was deemed at the time as unfairly. Anne Askew's torture was illegal, Henry the 8th was a dictator and broke the law because he built up a court where he could do what he wanted despite the law. Plenty Kings of England who broke the law like that ended up punished, dethroned and dead.

@nassauguy48

Жыл бұрын

I read that Wriothesley, one of Henry's close advisors, personally did some of the torturing on the rack and was sexually aroused by her screams. Really sick stuff.

Catherine was basically a nurse to Henry VIII in his last years. He was appreciative, and made provision for her financially. But after his demise, in the treacherous waters of the Tudor monarchy, she had to be, and was, careful; she was a best-selling Protestant author in an England full of Catholics, including Henry's own daughter Mary, who was determined to stamp out heresy. It can be argued that she was safer while Henry was alive, rather than afterwards.

@xxwhispersxx2856

Жыл бұрын

I've always thought the same thing. Her time spent with Henry, being his nursemaid, might have actually been slightly better than when she was finally able to be with her beloved Thomas, who was absolutely wretched to her.

@AkathisiaWarrior

Жыл бұрын

Nursemaid?? That’s a horrible myth.

@deborahproctor9538

9 ай бұрын

Queen Catherine was the first woman to publish her own authored book

@steelers6titles

9 ай бұрын

@@deborahproctor9538 She had courage; considered a heretic by many opposed to the break with Rome, it could have cost her her life.

@isobelduncan

8 ай бұрын

True she did nurse him but she was more than *just* that. And while their marriage wasn't a love a match they got along pretty well. She worked to reconcile Elizabeth with Henry and even restore both her and Mary to the succession. She even ruled England while Henry was away at war.

Very interesting to see Catherine talking about this, and how it all played out! The actress playing Elizabeth has some great facial expressions here. Thanks for posting, Lili!

So sad they cancelled this show. I waited for so long without knowing there wasn't going to be a new season

catherine didin't even want to marry henry viii. that marriage must've had torture her

@isobelduncan

8 ай бұрын

True it was far from a love match but they got along well enough.

@chinavaughan6383

Ай бұрын

@@isobelduncanIn order to keep her head in her shoulders, Catherine had no choice but to work on getting along with Henry😒

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

Ай бұрын

Most people in court didn't want to marry their spouses...

The necklace Catherine parr is wearing is the some one gifted to Anne Boleyn in the Tudors

@roaring20spennies

5 ай бұрын

Nah it’s a different one

Catherine Parr survived for a few reasons one being Henry was declining Health wise I think he almost had her arrested too but then the next day he had forgotten and when they came for her she managed to beg him and he sent them away and Henry dying helped her survive too but I do not know about her because of her 2nd husband what he done to Elizabeth

@robinlillian9471

Жыл бұрын

She was lucky to get a chance to speak to him. None of the wives he executed ever got the chance.

@robinlillian9471

Жыл бұрын

There's no way to know what really happend to Elizabeth, but probably he was trying to seduce her to agree to a future marriage he wanted for political advantage. He wouldn't have wanted her to hate him. If he just wanted sex, there were plenty of servant women he could have used any way he wanted sexually, and nothing they could have done about it.

@AkathisiaWarrior

Жыл бұрын

Hmm… not exactly it. An arrest warrant was issued. Somehow the news got to the queen who went before Henry and basically begged for her life. When they were in the Garden the men came for her. Henry threw a fit.

@h.calvert3165

7 ай бұрын

Thomas Seymour was her fourth husband. 4️⃣

@yevgeniyaleshchenko849

Ай бұрын

@@robinlillian9471 To GROOM or molest not ''seduce'' her, she was 14-15 years old... Of course, he was doing it in the hopes of getting closer to power, captain obvious!

Has the actress playing Catherine Parr ever played a vampire? Like Elizabeth Bathory? I bet she could pull it off.

Why did they cancel the show I know it was not 100% historically accurate but what shows are I really wanted to see where they were going with it

Thank God Catherine Parr kept her head. She had to play to Henry VIII vanity in order to survive him. She had more sense at least than her poor predecessor Catherine Howard who was in opinion too young and too immature to be Henry's wife. At the very least this smart capable woman survived. Henry VIII did not deserve her.

Rosalie Crutchley portrayed Catherine superbly in "The Six Wives of Henry VIII"; Keith Michell is, if anything, even better as the foul-smelling, ulcerated, obese, decrepit King at the end of his life. He rages at Catherine to test her sincerity. LOOK AT ME, WOMAN! She passes the test.

Still waiting for the Shardlake book series to be adapted...

someone knows the name of the song?

Y'know, Henry might have been A lot of things; but I would rather take him over Thomas Seymour.

@royaltyfandomx

Жыл бұрын

When did you come here? You were so weird in Lindsay’s comments 😂

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

@@royaltyfandomx That was my twin brother; he steals my channel for time to time.

@royaltyfandomx

Жыл бұрын

@@savagedarksider5934 heh I bet imao but ok 😵🤲🏽

@electrathejelliclekitten8063

Жыл бұрын

Same ngl

@JeantheSecond

Жыл бұрын

Ugh. Neither.

Catherine was not exactly a goodie two shoes. She took part in the so called "romps" with Elizabeth and Thomas in what some people would call a "threesome" today.

Great Video, beautiful. Arthur Tudor should have lived.

@tasi4372

Жыл бұрын

But he might have been worse. We'll never know what would've happened if Arthur had lived but there's no guarantee he wouldn't have been worse than Henry VIII.

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

@@tasi4372 You cannot be worse than Henry VIII.

@gerardjagroo

Жыл бұрын

Oh I don't know, despite being personally monstrous Henry VIII was a strong king who laid the foundations for England's future greatness, mostly because he had able ministers about him.

@jodiuhron1979

Жыл бұрын

Due to his frail health as it was, there’s no guarantee that he and Catherine of Aragon would’ve produced heirs, which would’ve put Henry next in line anyway. But history would’ve turned out very differently if Arthur had survived. England may have stayed a Catholic nation (hence no Church of England). The late Queen Elizabeth II and her ancestors may never have existed, let alone come to the throne. Mary, Queen of Scots may have lived longer because there would probably have not been a Protestant Elizabeth I to conspire against. Queen Mary I wouldn’t have been so bloody because she wouldn’t have felt the need to reverse her father’s/brother’s Protestant reformation in England (assuming she would’ve existed at all). It’s amazing how different the world could be had Prince Arthur survived.

@savagedarksider5934

Жыл бұрын

@@jodiuhron1979 Tudor would be the shortest dynasty in English history.

Yeah, cleaning that leg wound cannot have been fun!

Parr your step daughter lost her mother to henery

i have zero idea if the portrayal of young Elizabeth is accurate but I cannot stand this character. I'm very disappointed and have stopped watching the show. There was no reason for what they did to Anne Askew really other than that they could.

@brontewcat

Жыл бұрын

I have not yet seen the series, but little in this scene rings true about what I know of the historical characters. Catherine and Elizabeth had an extremely respectful relationship. I can’t imagine either the historical Catherine Parr or Thomas Seymour speaking to her in this way, no matter what Elizabeth had said or done. Likewise Elizabeth was very respectful to Catherine. However, like you, I am questioning whether I want to watch the series.

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

The series is actually quite accurate historically, relatively. So not compared to a documentary but compared to other historical tv shows, like The Tudors or The Spanish Princess. I also think that Elizabeth's character is a weak point in the series. The main reason for that is the actress. She often acts and speaks in a way which is weird, if not annoying. She is also too old. Elizabeth is supposed to be a teenager here, that is why she is still very childish, naive, and ignorant, and does silly mistakes (like here), which is quite okay in a teenager character's coming-of-age drama. But the problem is that she doesn't look like a teenager at all, she looks 25+, so this childishness seems way too foolish for a 25+ Elizabeth. Catherine and Thomas certainly would have spoken like this to Elizabeth, and did more than that. First of all, they were her guardians, and she was her stepmother, it was normal, and expected, for guardians and parents to berate and scold (and even beat) a child if necessary. Btw in real life we know Thomas sexually abused her and Catherine was somewhat participant in that. Once Catherine held her down so that Thomas could cut her dress to pieces. So much for respectful relationship... Catherine and Elizabeth might have had a loving relationship before her marriage to Thomas, but after that she changed. I am quite glad that Catherine finally got a portrayal which is not all good and holy and loving stepmother. She did awful things as Thomas's wife in real life.

@brontewcat

Жыл бұрын

@@Lily1127channel I am glad to hear that it is more accurate than most TV shows. However it is quite a jump to call what Thomas Seymour did with Elizabeth ‘sexual abuse’. We have only evidence of flirting with her, or if you want to look at it in a more modern way - grooming (but it would have been more likely he was grooming her to think of himself as a possible husband if Catherine died, not sex). The evidence we have suggests it went no more than the flirting/grooming stage. I very much doubt Seymour intended more than that while his wife was still alive. Also, if Elizabeth had been 17 when this happened- would you call it sexual abuse? The thing is the age of consent is very much a randomly chosen age once a child reaches puberty. The age of consent was actually 12 at the time, although the general view seems to have been a girl was too young at that age to consummate a marriage. I think 14 was probably seen as the de facto age of consent as to when sexual intercourse could happen. So from Seymour’s point of view Elizabeth was probably more akin to how we would view a 17 yro old now. While Catherine could be considered Elizabeth’s guardian and may have have berated her, Elizabeth was also the daughter of a king. The way they spoke to her was both mocking and belittling. I cannot ever see Catherine mocking Elizabeth in that manner. Even after she supposedly found Elizabeth in the arms of Seymour, Elizabeth’s letter to Catherine after she left the household indicates Catherine did not speak harshly to her.

@Lily1127channel

Жыл бұрын

@@brontewcat Well, it's not my words, many historians call it sexual abuse. I am aware that back then the opinion about a 14-year-old's consent was not the same as today, but still this behavior from a guardian, a married man, 20+ years her senior, is disgusting. It was and is sexual abuse, and if she were 17 it would stay the same imo. Well, the fact that Catherine participated in the "morning tickling visits" and in the dress cutting incident, I wouldn't find it surprising at all if she ever talked to her in an inappropriate manner. Why not, when what she and Thomas did to her was anything but appropriate. The dress cutting was inappropriate enough, the way she talks to her in this scene is way more appropriate than that. Letters are usually good evidence but they were usually wrote in a very thoughtful and polite manner. A smart person like Catherine knew a letter can be found and read by other people, so of course it usually didn't contain incriminating or inappropriate things. She was cleverer than writing things like that. But that doesn't mean that she had to be equally thoughtful when speaking in private to Elizabeth. She also probably never would have written in a letter honestly about her horrible experiences as Henry's wife, but that doesn't mean she never talked about it in private. I am not saying that it is 100% sure that this conversation happened, but I think it is not unimaginable from Catherine or Thomas to speak to her like that. They did worse.

@SupremeViola

Жыл бұрын

@@brontewcat We have to keep in mind that Elizabeth may have been the daughter of a king, but she was the ILLEGITIMATE daughter of a king, since Henry's marriage to Anne was annulled. Her formal title at the time was "Lady Elizabeth", not "Princess Elizabeth" (and she hadn't been a princess since she was a toddler). She was second in line for succession at the time, yes, but everyone assumed Edward would eventually marry and have children, so that meant very little.

This actress is far too feminine looking to portray Elizabeth. In reality Elizabeth was extremely tough and worldly beyond her years. Yes it was appalling what happened to Anne Askew - that happened under Henry VIII's reign. However, had he lived long enough there is no doubt Edward would have persecuted Catholics as would Jane Grey. Elizabeth herself had Catholics executed and burned at the stake.

@molarmaven3264

Жыл бұрын

Catholics were also hung, drawn and quartered.

@sqseq1237

10 ай бұрын

She didn't take pleasure in executions though. And she had a religious compromise.

@susangavaghan

10 ай бұрын

@@sqseq1237 Some 183 Catholics were executed under the anti-Catholic legislation during the whole of Elizabeth's reign, and many more imprisoned or exiled. Torture was also employed, in later years under the supervision of the notorious sadist, Richard Topcliffe. Elizabeth was a very violent woman with a nasty temper. She enjoyed watching bear-baiting; she attacked her cousin Lettuce when she discovered that she had married her favourite Robert Dudley and boxed her ears. She broke the finger of one woman at court who had married without her consent and stabbed the hand of a woman with a fork because she had served her badly. She was also implicated in the murder of Dudley's wife who was found dead at the bottom of the stairs in suspicious circumstances, during the time he and Elizabeth were lovers. When he discovered Elizabeth had no intentions of marrying him but just wanted him as her secret lover on the side he married Lettuce. Elizabeth had no more religious compromise than her sister Mary and ruthlessly tricked Mary Queen of Scots into joining a plot to usurp her so she could have Mary executed - which is what she wanted all along. This image of the wonderful Elizabeth is propaganda.

All the silly games those people played.

@randomcenturion7264

Ай бұрын

It truly is disturbing and enraging the petty games people with too much power get up to.

still believe your god, crime even in those days

Henry VIII was a badass but not a good guy.

Henry VII should lived longer,truly a great king,peaceful,intelligent,made England rich. Shame that his legacy was destroyed by Henry VIII,Mary and Elizabeth with senseless wars and even more senseless religious reforms

@royaltyfandomx

Жыл бұрын

I disagree because Henry VII mistreated the country by raising taxes and causing rebellions. He was the one telling his son that he needed a male heir when crowned king. Also rebellions caused by their reigns were due to religion-

@greendragon4870

Жыл бұрын

@@royaltyfandomx well he was saying it because it’s true. Every king need a male heir to keep dynasty going. And rebellions during Henry were caused by dumb unfinished Yorks from Burgundy and Scotland who tried to overthrow him and make kings from pretenders. Henry was also pretty generous to let one of them to live. Great ruler who was also a great father,husband and son,unfairly overshadowed by his son

@royaltyfandomx

Жыл бұрын

@@greendragon4870 he was really good of a father, similar to his son, he put favourited arthur

@kbeyazgolge

Жыл бұрын

Din savaşları kaçınılmazdı. Protestanlık doğmuştu ve eninde sonunda İngiltere’ye de gelecekti. Eğer VII. Henry zamanında Protestanlık İngiltere’ye gelseydi yine baskı ve şiddetle karşılanacaktı. Din savaşları bakımından en insani yönetim Elizabeth döneminde oldu. Az sayıda cezalandırma ve nispeten yumuşak bir baskıyla halkı bu yeni mezhebe alıştırdı. Ayrıca O’nun döneminde İngiltere VII. Henry döneminden daha güçlüydü.

@-_YouMayFind_-

Жыл бұрын

Elisabeth did great though. All the mistakes were created by their fathers egoism

Please, anyone, teach these people how to act. It's like watching something from the 1930s. Stop chewing the scenery!

Do not like the direction of this series , tried to watch it bec ive seen white queen , spanish princess and loved the white princess… doesnt look like the direction of those three even though the spanish princess is quite irritating, I liked the cinematography.

why is no one around the table black?? at least make Thomas Seymour an Indian!

@tracyMcC

Ай бұрын

😂

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WOW, it's like Game of Thrones only with horrible acting, terrible writing and dumpy/frumpy looking UK women...