Ah, just to quickly add something I should have put in the video ... the plot unrealism. Chasing a guy through crowds, near killing various construction workers with a tractor, attacking an embassy, shooting various guards, all without an OK from his superiors ... and he doesn't get fired by his bosses afterward!

@robertthain4330

2 жыл бұрын

Daniel Craig's Bond is under some form of Manchurian mind control. In each of the first four Craig films he goes AWOL at some point as his psyche seeks to re-establish some type of control. This is explicitly set out in the Piranesian images in the Skyfall titles.

@almanuel6140

2 жыл бұрын

bond must have his own personal team of union stewards 7/24 to fix everything he does..

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertthain4330 Well, that potentially opens a huge can of worms lol

@bennygerow

2 жыл бұрын

I never understood how they just expect us to accept that he draws, aims, fires and kills that guy, then aims and fires again at the canister while a dozen guards who are aiming directly at him just stare.

@Ash-928

2 жыл бұрын

@@bennygerow They were mesmerised by his deep blue eyes.

Rob Ager does what CinemaSins thinks it's doing

@AceLM92

2 жыл бұрын

That implies cinemasins is capable of thinking

@hasanal-mashhadani8112

2 жыл бұрын

@@AceLM92 cinemasins is less original than reaction channels

@AceLM92

2 жыл бұрын

@@hasanal-mashhadani8112 you don't say

@deadburiedrisen

2 жыл бұрын

Cinema Who?

@mattsiiteri4366

2 жыл бұрын

Lol too true so many other channels’ crtiques are 90% nitpicks and 10% actual plot holes, narrative dissonance or any meaning at all. Those channels are just content mills. The equivalent of meat at Taco Bell lol

I've never seen you cuss so much Rob. I think I'm starting to enjoy this "grittier more realistic" version of yourself 😂

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

F*** yeah !!!!

@lsb2623

2 жыл бұрын

honestly, the meat slot line was one I never heard before and Im a middle aged degenerate!

@damngoodcoffeetime

2 жыл бұрын

@@lsb2623 I really enjoyed the 'meat slot' line as I can use it now in daily conversation and then think of that scene with Dalton and the hot babe seguing into a-ha's pumping theme tune. Seriously, its a great tune - much better than Sim Smath or Billie Eilish or even Adele for Lord's sake!

@galaxysurfer1122

2 жыл бұрын

Merseysider: lives a more grittier lifestyle in reality. ;)

@leebee5361

2 жыл бұрын

Gosh.. he says arse and bastard, and even f*ing a few times!! Oooh, you naughty bad boys!!!

Dr. Kananga's death scene in Live and Let Die was one of the most realistic and horrific deaths in movie history, the makers were lucky to get it past the censors.

@ThunderChunky101

2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE that scene!!!

@johnwalters5410

2 жыл бұрын

‘Well he always did have a highly inflated opinion of himself!’ if memory serves me correctly.

@agentstanley29

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that still haunts me and it is exactly one of those "family" Bond films I saw as a kid. 😬

Love that spicy rant about how Hollywood has decided that sexuality and sex now have to be looked at from an angle nobody wants.

@armandoguerra7658

2 жыл бұрын

Let them burn money and die on that hill

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

What angle is that?

I'm 44 years old and I always enjoyed Bond films. Its annoying when they try to do Bond films without gadgets to be 'more realistic'. They always bring back the gadgets because people just love that stuff.

@berserkasaurusrex4233

2 жыл бұрын

Plus gadgets are actually used by spies in real-life. Granted, they're mostly tiny guns hidden in pens and such, and not rocket-firing cars with ejector seats, but still, gadgets are more realistic than avoiding them entirely.

@luiscordova4582

2 жыл бұрын

@@berserkasaurusrex4233 and it would actually be more realistic for them to have them in order to make the job easier

How to make a "realistic" movie >Everyone scowling >Gorwling, whispery dialogue >Snarky female companion >Shaky cam fights >Convoluted plot >'splosions!

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, spot on

@SonofTiamat

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning I was just guessing what you'd bring up. So far I was right but missed a few. Action movies do watch like video games now when it used to be the opposite

@moviearchaeologist9655

2 жыл бұрын

'Splosion Man!

@racewiththefalcons1

2 жыл бұрын

You just forgot 'Directed by Christopher Nolan'.

@SonofTiamat

2 жыл бұрын

@@racewiththefalcons1 Or JJ Abrams

I'd say the Kingsmen films and the animated show, Archer, carry on the more silly and fun aspects of the older Bond films.

@merrylderrickson3147

2 жыл бұрын

kingsmen leans into its absurdity much like bond of old. new bond tries to play both sides of the field and fails in both

@esyphillis101

2 жыл бұрын

Plus the first Kingman movie is actually scarily prophetic about predicting things that would eventually come to pass in the world today.

@merrylderrickson3147

2 жыл бұрын

@@esyphillis101 movies don't really predict things, though that's somewhat semantical. movies tell the true history (and future) of humanity through symbol and metaphor

@browngirlinaclownworld2077

2 жыл бұрын

@@esyphillis101 You'll find that a lot of movies that seemingly 'predict' things are really just using the headlines of their day. I've heard many people talk about how certain films from before 9/11 'predict' the age of terrorism and I usually try to remind them that terrorism LONG predates 9/11 and associating it with the Islamic world in the 1980s was hardly a stretch when you remember the Lockerbie Bombing, Iranian Revolution and so on.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

@@esyphillis101 No Time To Die has a couple of plot elements which seem eerily relevant just now in relation to the current situation or at least ideas about it.

I really think the “dark and realistic” description that people drop willy-nilly is actually a subconscious recognition of mere absence of any humor and is misinterpreted as “realism”. Connery and particularly Moore would at least give nearly 4th-wall-breakin indicators of far-fetched saves and conveniences with a cheeky expression, etc. to basically give the audience a cue that the film knows it was absurd but unserious fun. I prefer the more fully upbeat fantasy Bond that’s honest with itself over the darker turn (meaning less humorous), meaning I wish there was more attention to continuity between the films, at least in regards to tone and being basically a spy comic book. It is ironic that like you point out the attempt to take Bond into a more realistic territory has actually made it less so because all they did was remove the self-aware indicators which those moments were 99% of why we came to see any Bond film.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@Cre80s

2 жыл бұрын

@greenapplepear You’re describing a different franchise, not Bond. Bond has had a deep history in “winked at” humor, and to pull back from it now is simply attempting to change Bond into not Bond. You can say you prefer not Bond, and that’s fair. But let’s be clear on which made Bond a success and which is the one in decline.

@josethebioform7519

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly i feel like the craig bond films are like a half an half of diet bond and diet bourne neutering the decent to good aspects of either franchise and going full bore with the issues found in both

@davidlean1060

2 жыл бұрын

@greenapplepear But the point here is pretending your fantasy film has real world consequences and perils doesn't work, ultimately. Like Chris Nolan's Batman movies (the root cause of this trend of taking fun movies and making them 'serious'), when you try and take Bond seriously, the cracks appear. That's the point being made here.

@davidlean1060

2 жыл бұрын

@greenapplepear Rob covers it pretty well in his videos on the film. Essentially, Batman is a super hero cartoon story. Trying to turn it into a serious thriller like Heat means taking the film 'seriously' and when you do, you realize you are getting serious over a film about a rich guy in a rubber suit chasing a guy in make up in a city that doesn't exist! I just don't buy the movie.

I always thought that the most realistic moment in the entire James Bond series was in Moonraker as Roger Moore is dangling from a cable car and a woman is trying to save him from falling to his death. When she tells him to hang on he responds with exactly what I would say in such a situation "The thought had occurred to me!".

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Haha. People hate on that scene but it was fun and memorable "His name's Jaws, he kills people". Always cracks me up.

@caza728

2 жыл бұрын

@@orlandopockets6372 And the noble dog.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

@@orlandopockets6372 It's the one with Elon Musk in it, or is it Bill Gates?

Fantastic video. I am only half way through, but I wanted to say you perfectly articulated my feelings on Daniel Craig as Bond. After recently rewatching the Roger Moore era, I feel the humor and slight sleaziness was so important, part of the charm of Bond, well cinematically at least. I never realized how much I missed these elements in the newer ones. I think it could be one of the main reasons I am not looking forward to the new NTTD at all. 🥱😄 Thank you for taking the time to make and share this. Excellent videos. Best regards, TGV

@cheekylix

Жыл бұрын

Not to disagree but… what do u say to the novel fans?

Casino Royal was pretty fun, it was more gritty than realistic.

The current movies are story-centric, I much prefer the one-off adventures, M gives Bond a mission and off he goes.

@moviearchaeologist9655

2 жыл бұрын

It really shows in the marketing posters since License to Kill. Gone are the exotic locations, weapons and actions advertised in posters in favour of central cast.

@iridescentsquids

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The feeling of momentary adventure really was appealing in past movies. Style, wit, clever action, obvious need to survive and trounce obvious bad guys...this used any overarching story as a mere excuse for a new bit of adventure that we hadn't seen before.

@28pbtkh23

2 жыл бұрын

@@moviearchaeologist9655 - perhaps the exotic locations have gone because most of us have been there already. In the 1970s, very few people had ever heard of Phang Nga bay, let alone been there. Anyone can go to Miami, Cortina, the Greek islands, Switzerland and so on. These places would have been beyond the reach of most folk in the 1960s. Everything is humdrum today.

@iridescentsquids

2 жыл бұрын

@John Mateus is there a term for this? I call it the “small universe effect” that happens to series/movies/Tv. As characters become known to writers they become the center of everything, and the entire universe relates to them and shrinks. All bad guys are there for them. All plots are because of, or about them. Rather than being great hero’s to meet great new external threats from a wide open universe of possibilities, the world becomes a mirror of them, and vice versa-ever shrinking variations in a world that is only really as big as they are. Rick Sanchez was just a goofy genius, now is the smartest man in the universe. Alien used to be just one extraterrestrial of a mysterious grand universe….now literally every living creature of interest in those series is a variation on one another, and the entire mysterious universe of the first movie becomes a tiny house of mirrors. James Bond was number 7 of many top talents, all fighting villains we could get glimpses of, we we were content knowing our guy was exceptionally good at the piece of this adventurous world he navigated. Now 007 is the top guy, and villains are variations on him, motivated by the same org that defines him…tiny house of mirrors again.

@dachoppa3702

2 жыл бұрын

@John Mateus Yep. When does Daniel Craig's Bond actually become Bond we all know and love?

Oddjob: "Ah...Ah" *Translation: You two get the girl's body and take it to your car. You take custody of Bond, escort him to his Aston Martin and make sure he drives back to Mr. Goldfinger's factory. The rest of us will form a convoy behind you so that, in the event that Mr. Bond incapacitates you, we will be close enough to pursue and recapture him.

The Craig Era films lack the charm of the rest of the Bond films. Even the bad Bond films were fun. On a side note The Living Day Lights is fantastic and Dalton rules.

@milesanddizzy

2 жыл бұрын

Dalton is the closest the films came to Fleming's original creation...

@colindowden2182

2 жыл бұрын

It's a remake dude that's the point.

@michaelsanchez9092

2 жыл бұрын

@@colindowden2182 Taking the charm and fun out of a franchise, no thanks.

@colindowden2182

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsanchez9092 Dude this and the dalton film are the closest to the Ian's novel, so spare me.

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

Charm can be great but it can also be a euphemism for “dumb but cute.” Need I name the entries? Look mainly to Moore and Brosnan’s titles. Then tell me the dinning car meeting with Vesper isn’t hell-a charming. GTFO with that wacky reasoning.

One of my biggest problems with the shift to a “darker, more realistic” tone is that it robs Bond of a unique identity. It feels less like a natural development for the series and more like a trend chasing attempt to “stay relevant.” Even some of newer comedic moments, such as in Spectre, come across as both contrary to the serious tone and embarrassing attempts to imitate Marvel comic book films. Although, in many ways, James Bond was never meant to outlive the Cold War and probably should have stayed there given how awkward efforts to include him in whatever modern geopolitical situation come across, especially when it now lacks his signature charm.

@moviearchaeologist9655

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Bond fans keep complaining of Roger Moore films cashing in on successful movies of their time from black movies to karate movies, etc., but that had happened with License to Kill copying Lethal Weapon and Casino Royale copying Bourne movies. And I know what you mean of the comedic moments in Spectre. I don't even find much jokes in modern Marvel films funny anyway.

@keithmccormack6248

2 жыл бұрын

Johnny English is more akin to a Bond movie than the Craig era films.

@Firguy

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I liked the Pierce Brosnan movies a lot. But that may be because I have fond memories of Goldeneye on the Nintendo 64.

@greatest_bumble_bee_dude

2 жыл бұрын

This guy seems alright He seems to just need a good old fashioned hair trim

@the5thdoctor

2 жыл бұрын

@@Firguy Same I really enjoyed Brosnan he is my favourite bond. It's just a shame that the material they gave him after goldeneye was crap.

Now that America has a Space Force, the most realistic James Bond movie, hands down, is Moonraker!

@springinfialta106

2 жыл бұрын

@@kg356 Moonraker was possibly the least realistic of all the Bond films. I believe that the astronauts with lasers that came in to save the day were Americans and not Brits, hence the joike. Also, the Brits got a worse version of Moonraker. In the American version Jaws's girlfriend had braces on her teeth and both of them crashed to Earth in the space station and we got to see them climb virtually unscathed out of the wreckage. In the lame UK version, you only hear that the two of them somehow were rescued via dialogue.

@berserkasaurusrex4233

2 жыл бұрын

Given that Space Force's real mission is to prevent the takeover of military satellites, the most realistic James Bond movie is actually "Under Siege 2".

@t.l3846

2 жыл бұрын

Did she have braces? I swear that's a Mandela effect.

@springinfialta106

2 жыл бұрын

@@t.l3846 Jaws fell in love with her at first site because her braces looked similar to his steel jaws. I guess someone complained about the braces and they were eliminated with reshoots or film editing.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

@@springinfialta106 There were no braces, it's Mandela Effect. And that scene did appear in the British version. Elon Musk is our real life Hugo Drax. He has seven children yet wants to reduce the human population, and also wants everyone's minds wired up to the internet. That plus he wants a Mars colony which he would be a virtual dictator in.

I haven't really enjoyed a Bond film since Goldeneye and I don't watch them anymore. No series is worth nearly 30 years of patience for them to turn things around.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Goldeneye seems to have been the last worthwhile entry.

@hansdossche795

2 жыл бұрын

Have to disagree...license to kill is my favorite. Not the usual bond movie, more revenge themed.

@jeanpaulmichell7243

2 жыл бұрын

@@hansdossche795 License to Kill came out about six years before Goldeneye, though.

@n3onkn1ght

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning Haven't seen Tomorrow Never Dies in twenty years, but it's got Jonathan Pryce hamming it up gloriously and some prescient subtext about western news media trying to start a war with China for profit, so I think it might have some worth.

@ricardocantoral7672

2 жыл бұрын

Tomorrow Never Dies is arguably the most subversive Bond ever made because it lampoons the unholy alliance between big government and corporate media. I think it's superior to Goldeneye which is little more than an assembly of Bond cliches.

I found the scene with Bond in the clown outfit one of the most tense moments in the Roger Moore era.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people hate the clown outfit but it strangely fits with him being caught up in a deadly conspiracy he's trying to thwart.

@spencerwilliams461

Жыл бұрын

Octopussy is a great movie and that scene is classic. Like Die Another Day, nerds on the internet unfairly malign and slander them, when in reality they are among the best, top 5-10 Bond films.

"From Russia with Love" seemed pretty grounded in the real world, and focused on spy craft.

@SonofTiamat

2 жыл бұрын

I think the earlier Sean Connery Bonds were the best. Some were silly though

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Am yet to rewatch that one

@cqtaylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@SonofTiamat What's silly about a giant Korean bodyguard who throws a razor-edged derby hat? ;-)

@moviearchaeologist9655

2 жыл бұрын

It appears more realistic, definitely, but still unrealistic in some ways. Probably the sore unrealistic moment for me was when the guy in the helicopter was so slow of throwing a grenade out that Bond had enough time to shoot him in the heart... and Bond survives the helicopter explosion just next to him. Good movie, still.

@Dr.Strangmeme

2 жыл бұрын

It's the Best Bond Film.

18:31 That's the thing though, Daniel Craig looks thuggish. You mentioned that also, he's got those brutish features we associate with rugby players or brawlers. Kinda like Charles Bronson, who actually was a boxer. He doesn't have the suave "tall dark and handsome" looks associated with the Bond character. It's like casting Oliver Reed as Bond.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Except Oliver Reed could actually do suave quite well at times. Having said that he was terrifying as Bill Sykes.

@norwood-n3q

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning True, but I still don't think his look is right.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

@@norwood-n3q Yes, a bit thuggish

@markant9534

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning That`s why Reed didn`t replace Connery as Bond, he was being considered byut by the early 70`s he alredy had an image of a hard drinking thug who got into brawls so was looked over for the role of a suave Bond.

@Solaar_Punk

2 жыл бұрын

I hear people say that Daniel Craig looks brutish but to mw he just looks like a slightly posh guy who went to the gym. He's not exactly anything, just bland.

With the Craig era Bond they took an escapist spy fantasy character and turned him into an aging depressive bore.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

I thinknit was the awful jokes. During Brosnan's era, I often groaned inwardly when I heard some of them. Dr. Christmas Jones' name is just the set up for a really bad joke.

@michaelsanchez9092

2 жыл бұрын

@@thursoberwick1948 That's a million times better

@caza728

2 жыл бұрын

@@thursoberwick1948 And Mr. Kill.

A part of why the Daniel Craig James bond movies deliberately went in a more "Serious" direction and tried to alienate children, if I were to guess, is because they were created in the wake of Austin Powers and during the whole child-oriented-spy-media trend of the 2000s. You have to think about the context of that decade. Austin Powers was a successful series of movies that was built around parodying James Bond and exaggerating its ridiculousness, and in its wake you had LOTS of sillier/more overtly-humorous spy media aimed directly at children. I remember because I was born in the mid-90s so I was a kid when this trend was going. You had Spy Kids, The Incredibles (which is a superhero film but still clearly very Bond-influenced), Codename: Kids Next Door, Kim Possible, Cars 2 (though that was early 2010s), and a bunch of other ones that are more forgotten by comparison (say, The Xs, the Secret Show, Agent Cody Banks, Aaron Stone, etc). And I suspect the Bond movies tried to shed their campier elements and become more "Adult" as a reaction against all of that. Trying to go too far in the opposite direction.

@venturatheace1

2 жыл бұрын

Holy hell, this is such a good point!

@beautatum6360

2 жыл бұрын

@@venturatheace1 Thanks.

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

Yes exactly. It’s been iconic so long of course it’s been co-opted for a “90% family” demographic, it’s just marketing. There are no mainstream PG movies made anymore except a few kiddie matinee flicks with some Pixar edge. Any action movie must be PG-13 (few are R as well) to broadcast “the kids will see no fucking or hear fucks, but violent enough for teens, aging fanboys, plus international auds wanting, en masse, spectacle above all.) This is marketing in the biz today. I don’t like it but the best to hope for is fresh ideas to try something new. Evergreen IP’s will follow suit until mass audiences become smarter, who want to hold their breath till that happens? Anyone? Bueller?

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

Also that Will Smith pigeon flick.

Hey! You're that guy that makes Skyrim videos. Nice to see you branching out into movies! Ever see The Shining?

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha

@francissmith6447

2 жыл бұрын

HAHA. I took that seriously for a second there, great comment.

@Ignirium

2 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 What fantasies do Feminist enjoy? we should stop those lol. What do they enjoy anyway, and how do they find a male partner? I'm so confused about them

@Ignirium

2 жыл бұрын

@@citycrusher9308 Are you being a dick to me or them?

@Ignirium

2 жыл бұрын

​@@citycrusher9308 ha, not at all my friend, i was making fun on feminism, yet it does highlight and raise some interesting things but a conversation can't be had since it position is too radicalized and inconsiderate, closed minded, ossified - it is stupid but i won't ignore it, if that makes sense.

Most of the parkour that was done by that guy was actually done without wires. Obviously pads were used and wires for the most dangerous shit but for the most part he didn't use wires.

My problem with the Craig James Bond films is that they didn't feel uniquely or specifically James Bond. They were so influenced by more modern film genres like the Bourne films and martial arts movies that they just felt... generic action hero. And they got the character of Bond wrong in so many ways. Of all the actors who played Bond, Dalton got it closest to the book version.

In the Dark Knight the joker didnt infiltrate the police with the dudes he broke out of Arkham Asylum, he got the top crimelords in Gotham like Maroni to get dirty cops previously on the graft blackmailed.

I love this franchise, and miss the original formula set by Goldfinger. They were total escapism, and that is the the way I prefer the movies to be. pure spectacle, lots of fun following the typical James bond formula. the Craig era is rather dull IMO.

@joev4429

2 жыл бұрын

@@suzygirl1843 So how does this become a race issue?

@spencerwilliams461

Жыл бұрын

Casino Royale 2006 was never good.

@LoganHunter82

5 ай бұрын

@@spencerwilliams461 I agree. Only good Craig Bond movie was "Skyfall" and that was because it was more like those old Bond movies.

James Bond's is neither supposed to be realistic nor "realistic" but about Bond charm, British eccentricity, lots of suspension of disbelief involving improbable feats pulled off relatively effortlessly.

@The_Reality_Filter

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly Matt Damon et al changed all that.

@generalesdeath5836

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always been told British humor is partly about understatement and the Bond films always dialed that up to 11. His car flip across a river in Man With The Golden Gun was “Not so terrible.”

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

Read Casino Royale. It’s nothing like what you describe. Films can differ from the source but to define the character by what you know and remember; given the impeccable craft and massive influence of Fleming’s work is, well, very, silly indeed. It’s not like Jaws or The Godfather where cheap summer paperbacks made transcendent adaptations. Their emphasis drifted from the source as they took on gimmicks, catch phrases, ear candy music stings, response to commercial genre trends... That’s supposed to keep them that way forever?? None of us are entitled to have our favorites stay locked in time. Reality will have its way.

I'm totally with you when you mention Timothy Dalton - much understated actor in the Bond films!

I found your channel last night and I can't stop watching. They laughed at me in screenwriting class when I said Terminator was the best movie of all time and I honestly thought I was becoming a curmudgeon because of my opinions on the films of the last twenty or so years. It's a big relief to see that someone as clearly intelligent as yourself shares a lot of their taste in movies with me. Thanks for the great content man!

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Never be ashamed of your taste in films. And take film classes with a pinch of salt. Most of the teachers have never made a movie ;)

@malafakka8530

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning I agree, but not having made a movie doesn't really mean much. You don't need to be a cook to tell if something tastes bad (not meaning Terminator here).

@ricardocantoral7672

2 жыл бұрын

There is no "best film of all time".

@luiscordova4582

2 жыл бұрын

Its funny how the most brilliant diectors and movies are the ones that dont follow anything they teach on film class, they weren't thinking about what they were taught back then they just wanted to make something that would speak out what they believed about the world in thwir own unique way, they wernt following camera tehcniques and rules, they were different times and culture reflects media

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

Tarkovsky, yes that Tarkovsky, rated the Terminator, and he was not someone who thought very much of Hollywood films normally.

One thing I like to imagine when watching Bond is the stuff that goes on when the camera's not rolling. For example, in Live and Let Die, the scene that led up to Bond having a deck full of the 'Lovers' cards he uses to seduce Kanaga's Mrs. There's a brief 2 second scene of him going into a Tarot card shop. If a realistic Bond is what the people want, show the awkward scene of him walking up to the counter with 52 decks and going home before taking out the one's he wants while he smiles wrying about his premeditated sleazy skulduggery

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, certainly.

@berserkasaurusrex4233

2 жыл бұрын

@John Mateus So the original Casino Royale?

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

@John Mateus The original'60s Casino Royale had Woody Allen playing a version of Bond. And it was hilarious!!

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

@John Mateus Woody Allen did play Bond, and his aim was to create a world where all women would love him.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

52 identical decks, which had to be the same as Solitaire's. Still he got to bed Solitaire who turns out to be a sex maniac shortly after losing her virginity.

From Russia With Love is probably the most realistic Bond movie

"The Living Daylights" and "Casino Royale" are my all time favorite Bond films, its great that you are analyzing how realistic they are, I am guilty of making that ridiculous assertion in the past.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

I love The Living Daylights. Casino Royale is a lesser entry for me on account of the non-story.

@ryancalhoun2910

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning I think James Bond is very much generational. Whatever your first exposure to Bond was (usually the ones coming out when you were growing up) is is gonna be the ones you like the best. For example, I LOVE Casino Royale, one of my favorite movies. The older stuff? Doesn't do anything for me other than Goldfinger.

@The_Reality_Filter

2 жыл бұрын

Casino Royale was episode one of The Bond Identity. Le Chiffre was a great Bond villain but not given enough screen time in my opinion.

@ryancalhoun2910

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Reality_Filter That is a fair criticism. I just rewatched it a few weeks ago and I realized just how little he is in the movie.

@The_Reality_Filter

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryancalhoun2910 it's a real shame. I was hoping he would become Bond's new nemesis, his generations Blofeld.

What i really hate in the new Daniel Craig ones is the constant "you are a relic of old times Bond with your manners and gentleman looks'n shit", guess what, that is a unique James Bond creation, it was never like this anywhere, at any point in fokkin history!

"This is a famous spy - everyone knows his name, and every bartender in the world knows he likes martinis shaken, not stirred. Come on, it's all a big joke! So most of the time I played it tongue-in-cheek." -Roger Moore Roger Moore embraced the silly nature of the whole Bond saga, while bringing in tons of charm and suave. I think this is why he's my favorite Bond. While the Craig films were still over the top and goofy if you explored the plots, the aesthetics of those films lacked charm and are dark, gritty, and cold. I think rather than saying the Craig films were more realistic, it's more appropriate to say they took themselves way too seriously. I completely agree with you that Craig is not suited well to be Bond. A big part of his films coming of as taking themselves too seriously is his dark and cold portrayal of 007.

On your thoughts on how older Bond movies, despite the fantastical elements, have solid and interesting stories, one of my favorite Bond films is Brosnan's Tomorrow Never Dies, partly due to the ideas of media propaganda and manufactured headlines, which is more relevant today than 25 years ago. This is also why I really wanted to try and like Spectre, but sadly its interesting "Big Brother" police state story was put in the background for the sake of bad plot reveals and contrivances that retroactively make the rest of the Craig films worse.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

There are elements of the current Bond film which are close to what is happening or at least ideas about that.

@Gamingnstuff131

2 жыл бұрын

I hated Spectre. It was so extremely boring. This new one was even worse.

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

I love Cristoph Waltz but I feel like the big stunt casting as Bloefeld was all one big, boring, lazily obvious move to try to pump up a dishwater dull script. He was a revelation in Basterds and Django. By this point it’s a predictable perf without a better script for him to work with. Makes me think - major genre jump - of Will Farrell’s Barbie casting. In a movie full of fresh moves, the most obvious shopworn casting for the most tired dumb-and-deluded improv style antics imaginable. Nearly anyone would have been a better choice. Though yes, also different is that Specter sucks throughout.

Fun fact: shooting a container of flammable substances often won't cause an explosion even if it's a propane tank

@brianstorm5488

Ай бұрын

You clearly haven’t played enough FPS games.

@wizard_of_poz4413

Ай бұрын

@@brianstorm5488 I'm talking about real life

I always said Roger Moore was the best Bond because he understood how incredibly ridiculous the idea of James Bond was. The others with the exception of Connery take the character way too seriously.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree, and I think that's something that annoys people who want bond to be believable. Moore was always bursting their bubble in his interviews and comical dialogue delivery - though he did good acting when certain scenes warranted it too.

@colindowden2182

2 жыл бұрын

Major cap.

Love this, just watched the second Timothy Dalton bond film and thought I was the only one that thought he was a decent Bond and I have tried to watch the new ones but just can't watch them start to finish always bored halfway through.

Bond isn’t using a gun in the parkour chase sequence because he is trying hard to get the terrorist alive. He also tells his partner to not pull a gun out for that reason. The guy is in constant motion, so even attempting to shoot him, even if it’s done efficiently, would very likely kill him, especially when he starts gaining altitude. He only kills him in the end when he has no choice, after getting his backpack. Also, you’d be surprised at how easily fear for anything is ignored when your life is on the line. If someone is after you, you’ll be more likely to take a chance at something with risk of hurting you or killing you, rather than staying and definitely getting caught or killed.

@The_ScapeGoat

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that opening scene was totally realistic.

Casino Royale is one of the most boring movie I ever seen, You're the only critic making a negative option on it so far I have seen. Thanks for it.

From Russia with Love is probably as realistic as it gets - or you're ever going to get with Bond. It has its problems including the gypsy camp raid which whilst silly is ummm kitsch? Hope that's the right word. The plot is credible and very well paced. Bond relies on a minimum of the gadegtry that proliferated the latter movies. Connery is at his coolest - the guy moves through each scene like a panther prowling through the jungles. Then it's got one of the most seriously bad ass villains in movie history: Robert Shaw. If I had a serious criticism of the writing it is that Shaw's taciturn, menacing villain goes on an uncharacteristic epic gloating rant just before the fight scene. I mean, his bosses want to make it look like Bond committed suicide, but Shaw's character declares "the first bullet won't kill you, nor the second,...."? The fight itself is a little dated, but still far more credible and engrossing than any other Bond v Henchman fight IMO. Octopussy is the silliest (Bond in a clown outfit, female diamond smugglers, a renegade Soviet officer and Karl Faberge eggs?). The discontinuity between the pre-titles scene involving a microjet evading cuban missiles and post title chase of the MI6 agent (in East Germany) and those two knife wielding maniacs is jarring, but incredibly effective. From euphoric aerobatic fantasia to sedate , stark realism with Rita Coolidge sandwiched in between.

“Realistic spy movie” is like “fresh frozen jumbo shrimp”. 007 could take on Godzilla and it’d be more realistic than some other films of his.

@dhwwiiexpert

2 жыл бұрын

Bond vs Godzilla, Coming Summer 2022!

@Aceimus1066

2 жыл бұрын

Are you serious?! 🤔 Please provide some good examples

@jonathancarlson6127

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aceimus1066 Just off the top of my head, “Die Another Day” was science fiction. “You Only Live Twice” was rather hinky. “A View to a Kill” was hilariously nonsensical. The latter 2 I enjoy a lot, but it’s still fantasy. All operating under suspension of disbelief that James Bond is this poor a spy, but a fine assassin, and until they admit it’s a mantle passed down from agent to agent- I’m just assuming Bond is a Time Lord.

@Aceimus1066

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathancarlson6127 why are you trying to find continuity between the films. The series simply doesn't work like that. And to your point about sci fi, yes some of them are over the top for sure, but still not as outlandish as having him up against Godzilla, let's be real.

@jonathancarlson6127

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aceimus1066 I will concede a somewhat facetious exaggeration on my part. Alas, my frustrations with the franchise until “Skyfall” stem from an overdose of disbelief suspension.

I'm with you on Craig. He's not the right guy and he's too bitter and dour all the time. 'My' Bond was always Brosnan, despite some of his entries being a bit silly. But the optimism... we need to come back to it. I know that we swore off being happy post-9/11 but we should stop doing that because it's killing us.

to be fair, the "sexual torture" scene is actually in the book.

They say this about The Dark Knight too for some reason when it's neither dark, or realistic. It's just stupid and boring.

@Linklex7

Ай бұрын

Yet they don’t realize how restrictive Batman becomes when you make his too dark and realistic. It’s why we keep getting stuck with the same villains over and over, Joker, Two-Face, Ra’s Al Ghul, and Falcone. That gets old after awhile.

I think "realistic" is just short-hand for miserable and devoid of humour because no one makes jokes to relieve stress in dangerous or traumatic situations in real life... oh, wait...

Man , this was so good. Pure entertainment perfectly delivered. Thanks Rob.

The boring identity

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, that one popped into my head earlier too. Forgot to add it in the vid, so well done.

Do you really believe Roger Ebert who gave Casino Royale and Skyfall perfect 4 Star reviews was a paid critic ?

It's like when people say the combat in Dark Souls is "realistic." Parrying a giant club with your backhand isn't "realistic." Even Skyrim was more "realistic" by comparison

@norwood-n3q

2 жыл бұрын

Dark Souls is far from realistic. I say that as a fan.

@SonofTiamat

2 жыл бұрын

@@norwood-n3q I love Dark Souls, but I hate the community

1:08 best batman voice impression

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Bait Man (sic)

@caza728

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t need help!

I think also the shift from Pierce Brosnan's witty and charming Bond was a big veil to make Craig's Bond "appear more realistic." Craig's Bond misses that charm and humor in the previous roles that made those previous Bonds more entertaining.

Excellent thoughts on the Bond movies! Your closing statement suns it up perfectly. Movies don't need to be realistic at all. They just need to be convincing regarding what they are (supposed to be) about.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

Well, fictional genre movies have to compromise on realism, to allow for paranormal stuff, change names to protect the innocent, while logically and plausibly explaining events, places and people. A good science fiction story has to get outer space right, while permitting faster-than-light spacecraft, ray guns and alien contact. Apocalyptic films need a lot of suspension of disbelief, in order for the cast to survive a nuclear war or a zombie apocalypse to happen at all! I'd rather watch desert car chases in battle cars, zombies and mutant talking apes than everybody dying of radiation poisoning or survivalist families getting "cabin fever" with their gun collections in bomb shelters. Mystery movies need SOD, for the protagonist to solve every case. I'd prefer seeing every mob boss or serial killer get busted than watch sex-offending celebrities, brutal cops and white-collar criminals beat the rap. Oh, snap! They get the book thrown at them, now! LOL! Yay, "Cancel Culture!" Real crimes are only solved 10% of the time, due to witness intimidation or relationship to offender. Also most arrests are alcohol or drug-related. Drunks and stoners don't make the best movie villains, unless in movies-of-the -week on Lifetime, lol! Superheroes need to live in cities like our hometowns, except for people with capes flying around. They should act like us, except for using their superpowers. I kind of prefer the protagonists be good guys, myself. Corruption and brutality are what supervillains are for! First responders exist, so it's realistic for a superhero to save people from fires and bust mob bosses , terrorist groups and serial killers, like firefighters and cops do. I think "Game Of Thrones' kind of overdid the realism, with way too much sexual assault, killing and prostitution house scenes. It killed off too many sympathetic characters and had too many characters to keep up with. And the cast was mostly baddies! It was kind of a downer! In fantasy, I just wanna watch Amazons, barbarians, mages and fairies kill mythical monsters in lost cities and pick up treasure, not Caligula vs. Vlad the Impaler doing "The Prince" by Machiavelli!

@truefilm6991

2 жыл бұрын

@@darlalathan6143 To sum it up: a movie must be exciting as opposed to faithfully reflecting reality. Absolutely.

Awesome topic and vid. Laughed out loud at the Sonic comparison :D

Very astute analysis. I grew up loving the Moore films, I miss the fun and the gadgets, but most of all the personality.

The Craig era is like a teenage boy who can't grow a beard but won't shave off the patches.

@drumstick74

2 жыл бұрын

Billy Connolly compared Craig to a dolphin _lol_

"You expect me to talk?" "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die." That was realistic.

Nice to read someone reacts to Craig as I do. I miss the humour of the films.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

Moore could get away with the jokes, but Brosnan not so much. There are some horrific jokes in PB's era.

The late great Sir Roger Moore has always been my favourite Bond. I love his approach to the character and I love the larger than life plots, set pieces and villains. For me Moore's adventures as 007 represent the ultimate in escapist entertainment. Bond films were never meant to be gritty realistic thrillers. They were supposed to be outrageous escapist fun.

I agree I have skipped past the recent films. Nothing against Craig but more the idea that the fans want their Bond to look like the Dark Knight for the past decade

"he just shows up and she offers herself" Rob, you cannot possibly indicate that this is unrealistic ;)

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, you know what ... you got me. A woman I met once outside a bar looked at me and her first line was "I'm wet" lol. Two major diffs, she wasn't a model and she was drunk.

@hookybrickshooky9529

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning Sounds like your average night out in Glasgow... :) I miss these James Bond moments, I bet we won't see new one's for the rest of the decade.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning I get a similar response from women too, mostly kinky bisexual Goth Wiccans, LOL! Usually, they freak dance me and make out with me on the dance floor! 😎 I get so many Facebook friends that way!

Watching films is just another form of escapism which people indulge in to take a break from reality. Now what do these film makers do? Cut off that escape route with "realism".

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Yep

It’s hard to put yourself in a character that possesses super human endurance and strength when he’s supposed to just be a smart secret agent with normalish physical skills but a superior intellect. It takes you out of the movie.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Nice summary and yes, intellect was always his central trait.

@MichaelVLang

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning This fight in a freaking elevator has more suspense and drama than Craig jumping 30 feet from crane to crane, IMO. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q51tus-lgdvInrA.html

The realism of Todd Philips "Joker" has already made the "realism" of Christopher Nolan's Batman movies redundant, they look childish compared to the world that Todd Philips created, there was talk after the success of Joker of marrying the two world together but I think it wouldn't work at all. btw I grew up during the Roger Moore phase of Bond, I had nostalgic memories of these movies but when I watched them as an adult I couldn't believe they were made for anyone other than children, they were so cartoony and cheesy

@toro5280

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, they were never realistic and never will be. Space missions, submarine cars, invisible cars, an asian dude turned into a white dude via plastic surgery... And nowadays Bond being a parcour star, a motorcycle darededvil, martial arts expert all at once.

You spelled out exactly what is missing from the recent Bond films and why I stopped watching.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Lol i misread that as you stopped watching my video because I spelled it out .... haha

@bruisedhelmet8819

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning Now that I read it, yeah it sounds like that. But its is Bond that lost my interest, not you.

The Living Daylights and From Russia With Love are my ”underrated” favourites aside from the classics like Goldfinger and Goldeneye.

@12ealDealOfficial

2 жыл бұрын

Love TLD as well. OHMSS is the one I come back to the most but the Dalton era was my personal favorite. I think my favorite Bonds had less time to have less than great films, like Moore, Connery, Craig, and Brosnan, but every Bond is great in my view. I even like a couple of Craig's films.

@ricardocantoral7672

2 жыл бұрын

Goldeneye is merely a regurgitation of the old films.

You hit the nail on the head. Nothing more could be said. Great job

i like that more of your personality is seeping into your more recent videos

Your opinions and common sense on topics, not limited to just movies, is unrivaled. 👏👏👏

Casino Royale is still my favourite Bond film, favourite Bond actor would have to be Timothy Dalton.

@thursoberwick1948

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, David Niven was really good in it.

The PC changes and the almost total lack of humor have turned me off James Bond. Bond movies did not, nor now need women constantly telling Bond what a sexist pig he is. The only thing this makes me think is: "To hell with finding terrorists out for world domination. Just don't sleep with women for information because you might hurt the feefees of feminists in the audience.

@ninfilms

2 жыл бұрын

I still remember when I was doing my film degree in 2000 and we had this feminist lecturer showing showing my class how much of a bastard Bond was towards towards women. The funny thing was the majority of women students said they loved James Bond for all the action sequences and excepted that he has got flaws and that the film is escapism.

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

I think feminists' feefees are hurt more by the high mortality rates of "Bond Girls".

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

@@ninfilms I think she should have used slasher movies, as a better example of sexism and misogyny, since more of them die on-camera.

Used be a welder It would take more Than a 9 mm to crack A gas bottle

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

I never was a welder and even I knew that, but thanks for the confirmation lol

I noticed you hardly even mention Pierce Brosnan. I appreciate that!

Very good points made here. It's really nice to see you in front of the camera. You should do more intros and outros this way. All the best from Poland :)

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Will do. My girlfriend's Polish btw :)

I thought the big thing with Casino Royale wasn't that it was more realistic, but that it was closer to the original books.

While I like some Daniel Craig films, I hate the overall effect they've had on the franchise.

Excellent analysis! I loved your presentation and totally agree with your observations. Well done!

In fairness, Ian Fleming's first Bond novel, 'Casino Royale', kept things within the realm of possibility. Ironically, the best and most riveting parts of the novel (in my view) were the depictions of Baccarat play, the way Fleming captured the gambling milieu. There was also character growth in that novel, believe it or not. Bond starts out as a man who thinks 'women are for recreation' and genuinely (if briefly) finds himself capable of love with Vesper Lynd. Another thing, too: Fleming portrays Bond as a brutish kind of man underneath the polished veneer, a hardened killer who admits at one point that he's killed good people as well as bad and has a hard time dealing with it. Oh, and yeah, the torture scene in the movie was taken from the novel.

Agree completely. I think people are conflating "realistic" with "tough" or "more violent/dramatic".

@darlalathan6143

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. "Realistic" is documentaries and biographies. "More violent/dramatic" is slasher movies, lol!

hm, i'd say the "craig era bond" continues to do what bond _does_; however there seems to be an increased focus on the why and how and which toll it takes on him - maybe this is what some might consider as "more realstic"/gritty and dark.

@ThunderChunky101

2 жыл бұрын

Modern Hollywood is all about feelings. It's pathetic. Modern psychiatry is the same - they are obsessed with analyzing your feelings constantly, and all that happens is more and more people are depressed and mentally ill. Obviously it doesn't work.

@malafakka8530

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThunderChunky101 obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.

@ThunderChunky101

2 жыл бұрын

@@malafakka8530 Sure I don't. Guess men who are upset should all sit around and talk about their feelings endlessly, can't see that going wron.... oh wait, it has!

@malafakka8530

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThunderChunky101 since this video talks about realism I suggest that you get back to reality and that's all I have to tell you. Have a nice day.

@ThunderChunky101

2 жыл бұрын

@@malafakka8530 "I'm right, you're wrong" Genius.

This channel is genuinely under appreciated. One of my favorites for sure bc Rob actually critiques things in a way I’ve never heard before. This should have well over 1mil subs. Goes to show the KZread algorithm mostly likes repeatable, filler content lol

It’s not sexual torture. It’s Hannibal tenderizing his meat.

What I kind of noticed about Bond movies is it depends what movies you grew up with. I had Roger Moore. One of my favorite Bond movies is For your eyes only. I remember a scene where Bond is skiing to escape the bad guys, who were on motorcycles. When I was a kid, I asked my dad how was James Bond so good at skiing. My dad just answered “ because he is James Bond.” Nuff said.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

"Roger Moore IS Bond" I've heard that said and tend to feel the same, even though I like the other bond actors too. I think Moore's own personality was a big attraction in itself - he was such a warm and charming guy.

@adampetersen2494

2 жыл бұрын

"Roger Moore IS Bond." You just earned yourself a sub. I get tired of everyone saying Connery is the definitive Bond. Feels like they are saying it just because it's the accepted narrative. He was great. But in my view, Moore out-Bonded Connery. Back in 1983, they had the battle of the Bonds when each actor starred in a Bond movie. As I recall, Moore won hands down. I like all the Bond actors. (Craig doesn't count. He plays some other guy who just happens to have the same name.)

@caza728

2 жыл бұрын

@@adampetersen2494 But wasn’t that more due to Octopussy being an official EON production rather than a slight against Connery.

@adampetersen2494

2 жыл бұрын

@@caza728 You do have a good point. But I think the quality of Never Say Never Again as a film played the largest part. That, and it being a thinly disguised remake if Thunderball. But since Connery was highly involved in the making of the film, and with the stated intention if showing up Roger Moore, I have no hesitation in venturing the opinion that the question of who was the greatest Bond was settled in Moore's favor. There is also the fact that Dalton's and Brosnan's portrayals of Bond followed Moore's more closely than Connery's. I completely understand that many people will prefer Connery's Bond. And everyone is entitled to their own opinions. The only reason I comment on it is that I often get the impression a lot of people favor Connery just because they are following the crowd. If it is a genuinely held opinion, I have no objection to it. Interestingly, I have seen several films featuring Connery and several with Moore. Overall I think Connery may be the better actor. But I still strongly favor Moore as Bond. And it is my understanding that Moore was the better human being, being knighted for charity work instead of acting, and being the only Bond actor to attend the funeral of Desmond Llewellyn.

@caza728

2 жыл бұрын

@@adampetersen2494 So, do you feel Bond would have been the same cultural phenomenon if Roger Moore was the first one to play him?

I absolutely love Casino Royale. One of my favorite Bond movies and I’ve seen them since I was a kid. After that, I didn’t like the new ones really. To me Casino Royale story actually works as a Bond movie and that’s where the other ones to me really drop the ball. Definitely agree the family element is gone though.

@milton7763

2 жыл бұрын

Part of why I love(d) it so much is probably because License to Kill didn’t feel like a James Bond story and I didn’t like the Pierce Brosnan years (I only found Golden Eye okay) and was so glad to see another Bond movie I liked

Casino Royale perfects what with the Bourne franchise attempted to do, that is a having fight scenes that “feel” more grounded, gritty, and realistic, but casino royale also makes sure to include the James Bond flare by infusing this formula with exciting, bombastic, and over the top elements. The main reason why the Bourne franchises fight scenes are not successful in an hour instead boring it’s because of an over abundance of shaking Cam, and a lack of direction in each fight scene. Along with the fact that the fight scenes have nothing to do with his character arc, or the themes of the story. Casino royales fight scenes not only refused to rely on Shaky cam or have an over abundance of it, but the action scenes are well directed and edited, and you can always tell what’s going on In each moment, who is getting the upper hand. On top of this each action scene focuses both on James‘s character arc and the themes of the movie. If you were to skip the entire movie and just watch the fight scenes in chronological order you would see a clear progression in themes and character. Unlike born each fight scene is necessary for James’s character and tells the audience a lot about him and where he’s at in the movie. Casino Royale is easily the best James Bond film besides possibly Goldfinger or Russia with love with her Majesty Secret Service coming in at fourth.

@spencerwilliams461

Жыл бұрын

No

@bossisin2510

Жыл бұрын

@spencerwilliams explain.

It's the same reasoning for all the R-rated comicbook movies. Adults with a 13 year-old's mentality thinking all the violence makes the film- "realistic".

@Thespeedrap

2 жыл бұрын

You must had saw the new Suicide Squad movie I had desire to watch it

There’s another trend I’ve noticed in a lot of action films, or ostensible action films. And that is an emphasis on minimalism. The new bond movies, like the Bourne movies, lack fun and creative gadgets. We also see a use of visual minimalism in Denis Villenueve’s movies like Blade Runner 2049.

Friedkin's Sorcerer I feel is a great realistic movie.

@MidLoafCrisis

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Absolutely agree. The stakes and the tension of the bridge scene. Perfect

@davidlean1060

2 жыл бұрын

But it came at the end of the trend of gritty 70s movies, after which Star Wars changed the general trend back to fun and fantasy again. Having sad that, it must feel good to Friedkin that it has become a bit of a cult classic in the last few years, what with the limited cinema release and blu ray release a few years ago. It's a great film.

Love this, it was your recommendation to watch the Moore films and I'm so thankful! Just curious Rob, I remember in an old vid you said you were working on and making a lot of progress with Blue Velvet, how is it coming along?

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, sorry about Blue Velvet. Haven't done any more, though I have expanded my Fight Club notes a lot this week and have a video roughly worked out for it.

Saturday Night Live had a skit where the Villain in "You Only Live Twice" was dealing with the contractors who were building his volcano lair. The budget, permits, payroll and schedules were driving him bonkers. He was pretty sure that the contractor was trying to fleece him but couldn't drop him in a piranha tank because no one else bid and that tank wasn't finished yet.

It's not just the fast pace that prevents people from seeing the DISTINCT LACK of realism. It is also the slower minds of viewers these days. They simply aren't capable of noting fakeness when their adrenaline is flowing so fast.

Didn't think you would be able to pick it apart to that extent. I found it thoroughly entertaining to see what happens when you don't suspend your disbelief. Well done.

Casino Royale I have a lot of problems with (not the least of which is the miscasting of Craig), but it ultimately lost me when the movie settles down for like 45minutes of STAGED poker. All the while with that one side character narrating it and describing the rules of poker and the play-by-play for audience members who don't know how to play poker. Reminds of the fact that Tarantino had originally wanted to do the movie with Brosnan. Not only is Brosnan a superior Bond, but Tarantino would've known how to handle lengthy poker sequences. You make it a battle of wits between Bond and the villain. Verbal and non-verbal wit. In essence, the "poker" would not be the focus of the poker game. THAT is how you handle a scene like that. Not with some dorkus in the corner going "Aha! It's the tell! He did the thing that Bond mentioned. That means he's bluffing."

If realistic spy movie is what you are looking for then watch 'Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy' instead. Real life spies rarely engage in fights or car chases. The profession is very systematic, analytical and plodding.

I think realistic is the wrong word to use, they are darker to a degree, but I think a better word to use would be serious. As someone who has seen every Bond film of the official EON productions and liked them all, I can see the qualities of all of them, even if some of them can get too ridiculous for their own good (cough) Die Another Day (cough). Also, I would argue that Goldeneye had a pretty good story, as since when the series went into hiatus during the end of the Cold War and the fall of the USSR, people thought that Bond couldn't work as a character in the post-Cold War world, and Goldeneye took that idea and made it the central theme as how 007 could stay relevant in the 90s. Ditto for Tomorrow Never Dies being about manipulating media for desired outcomes worldwide, was considered ridiculous when it first came out, but in a post-2016 world, look what happened! But I can totally see where you're coming from.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the word serious often gets used and that's a major issue. So many people conflate "serious" with "realistic". People have been duped by superhero movies doing the same.

I like how much you curse in this video!

I mean, just because it's not realistic, doesn't mean it's not more realistic than most Bond films.

It is better to hide intelligence behind a silly veneer, than to hide silliness behind a "dark and mature" facade.

@collativelearning

2 жыл бұрын

Very nice.