Stanley Kubrick was a seriously intelligent man, how he managed to covertly make the precise film he wanted to make, while cleverly missleading the producers the way he did is very admirable. You think the directors we have today, even Ridley Scott hasnt been able to do this to Fox regarding the ALIEN franchise; and other hack directors like JJ. Abrams just do the complete opposite, they make exactly the type of movie Hollywood producers want, with no substance whatsoever.

@image30p

Жыл бұрын

He beat them at their own game and produced an incredible piece of film at the same time. Definitely a formidable artist

@thorn262

Жыл бұрын

​@@image30p Unhappily, 'they' whipped SK several times over, what with the condemnation of, 'Napoleon,' & 'A.I.,' the acceptable substitutes being, 'Barry Lyndon,' and 'Eyes Wide Shut' (which is, by no means, to bad mouth 'BL,' or 'EWS').

@philrussell5258

Жыл бұрын

Ridley sold out ages ago

@philv2529

Жыл бұрын

Jj Abrams just makes up his shit as he goes along

@jackbedient

11 ай бұрын

Thank god somebody else thinks JJ is a hack... though he knocked it out of the park with the Star Trek reboot. I just cant stand the rest of the stuff he has touched. Sheepfood.

"Indoctrinating our public" "educate by entertainment" Wow

@tomkeith8933

4 жыл бұрын

Good answer à

@labbeaj

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Heuvelman Good morning!! Sure, I'll have some, with out fluoride please

@labbeaj

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Heuvelman Sweet! Holland Massachusetts is about 30 minutes from me..... Lol

@labbeaj

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Heuvelman And my friends laugh when I tell them I worked in Holland today!

@labbeaj

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Heuvelman No offense taken, my friend, the land beneath our feet connects us.

I got the chance recently to see a screening of 2001 on a 70mm print in Baltimore and met Kier Dullea, who shared stories from filming and signed autographs. What a class act, that guy!

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

wow, I didn't know he was still around actually.

@Pantano63

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning Are you kidding? lol this guy

@mikespearwood3914

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pantano63 It's a fair comment. The guy isn't really known apart from this movie.

@Pantano63

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikespearwood3914 But this guy is supposedly an expert in all things Kubrick. Even I knew he was alive and I'm no critic.

@mikespearwood3914

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pantano63 Not knowing if an obscure actor is still alive or not isn't a slight on Rob. I think it's harsh to criticise him for that. Why should he know about this guy? What did he do apart from 2001?

The Saturn effects and sequences were done by the Trumbull team, but were abandoned by Kubrick, only to be used later in his own film Silent Running. They are quite astonishing.

Kubrick hated needless exposition in films. Let the picture show NOT tell

@JediJuniper92

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Which is something many filmmakers before and since have yet to learn.

@glenbellefonte9620

4 жыл бұрын

Except he explained the ending of this very film himself.

@anonb4632

4 жыл бұрын

"Show not tell" is such a cliché. I go to writing groups and tell them off for suggesting it. "Evoke don't show" is much better technique and Kubrick managed that, right enough.

@anonb4632

4 жыл бұрын

@The Walking Man The driving scene in Solaris is even harder going although I love the film overall.

@jamescastelli

4 жыл бұрын

@The Walking Man I'm sorry to hear you require so much stimulation.

13:09 He and I are doing the exact same thing. Watching my iPad, eating breakfast.

@tranzco1173

3 жыл бұрын

He is eating literal baby food. Think about it.

@akinmonsanto

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting indeed to see tablets on the table. Makes me question all tech giant's breakthroughs. Apple and Samsung are but pawns in a massive chess game.

@brianarbenz1329

4 ай бұрын

OnYourSquare, are you watching a BBC report about you and your computer?

Stanley Kubrick did a brilliant job making 2001. Consider the limitations in movie special effects at the time. Yet, the film looks astonishingly ageless to me. But Kubrick was also a bit crazy. I read that he stored hundreds of reels of film not used in the movie, but he left instructions that those film reels be destroyed upon his death. Just as he insisted all sets and props from 2001 be destroyed. He didn't want a sequel. They had to recreate all those models and props for 2010.

@richardrose2606

Жыл бұрын

Kubrick had the sets and other items destroyed so they couldn't be used by other morons in stupid, 3rd rate Sci-fi movies. Who can blame him?

@timewarpdrive77

Жыл бұрын

@@richardrose2606 Sorta; if idiots want to idiot, who cares?

@timewarpdrive77

Жыл бұрын

When I rewatched it again (i saw it for the first time when I was 10 or so), I had a hard time believing it was from the 60s.. Crazy effects

@johnmc3862

Жыл бұрын

2010 is only a sequal in title, it is no way related to Kubricks 2001.

hard to properly grasp that this movie was made no 25 years after WW2 ended.. incredible imo

Your research, narrative and composition are top notch Rob.

@rdecredico

Жыл бұрын

Too bad most of the info he spews as facts s just simply wrong.

Pepsi Cola? "You're going to have to answer to the Coca Cola Company."

@steveetienne

4 жыл бұрын

'I just want to say one word to you' 'Yes Sir?' 'One word' 'Yes Sir' 'Are you listening?' 'Yes I am' 'PLASTICS'

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

Call me dumb, but I never grasped how hilarious it is that a gun gets pointed right at 'coca cola'! It's so blatant, it is up there with Bowman asking 'do you read me Hal' as the letters IBM are seen reflected on his face!

@johnthesavage381

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveetienne You're trying to seduce me.

@steveetienne

4 жыл бұрын

John the Savage Although not a Kubrick movie here's a little more fabulous dialogue.... 'You have meddled with the primal forces of nature Mr. Biel And I won’t have it. Is that clear? You think you merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country And now they must put it back. It is ebb and flow. Tidal gravity. It is ecological balance. You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations, And peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no west. There is only one holistic system of systems. One vast and immane, Interwoven, Interacting, Multi-varied, Multinational dominion of dollars. Petro dollars. Electro dollars. Muti-dollars. Riechmarks. Rens. Rubles, Pounds and Shekles. It is the international system of currency, Which determine the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic, And galactic structure of things today. And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And you will atone. Am I getting through to you Mr. Biel? You get up on your little 21” screen, And howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no Democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, And Dupont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their Councils of State? Carl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, Statistical decision theories, Minimax Solutions And compute the price cost probabilities of their transactions, And investments. Just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies Mr. Biel. The world is a college of corporations. Inexorably determined by the Imutable bylaws of business. The World is a business Mr. Biel. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live Mr. Biel To see that Perfect world In which there’s no war, Or famine, Oppression, Or brutality. One vast ecumenical holding company. For who all men will work to serve a common profit, And which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided. All anxieties tranquilized. All boredom amused.'

@johnthesavage381

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveetienne With a quote that long all I could think was... I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

Propaganda or not 2001 Space Odyssey remains a masterpiece

@lumpygasinavacuum8449

4 жыл бұрын

you are ok with being propagandized 😳 you would be a very good nazi youth

@ZeranZeran

4 жыл бұрын

I think the point that this video makes is just that; Kubrick knew they wanted to use it as a propaganda film. He also snuck in his own lessons, truths, and messages. I wonder if Kubrick told many people outside the movie about the Monolith, let alone what it's meaning is. It's a beautiful propaganda film, made by a very smart sneaky man who leaves tons of inconsistency to make people say.. Why? Kubrick's films get people to question the powers that be, secret societies, NASA, the government.

@buzzcrushtrendkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@lumpygasinavacuum8449 the shadow men are watching you Jerrys Kid

@bgiv2010

3 жыл бұрын

There's nothing inherently wrong with propaganda. The problem isn't art itself; it's the ambitions of the powerful person who commissioned it.

@buzzcrushtrendkill

3 жыл бұрын

@@bgiv2010 2001 is a sci-fi story. Entertainment. That's all it is.

Watching this in 2022.... and I'm laughing my head off. Grandiose dreams of colonizing planets are replaced by by fighting over males and females on which can use a public restroom.

@famousbowl9926

2 жыл бұрын

If only it were they simple.. we got things fighting other things over who can use public bathrooms.

@CthuluWalkingBackwards

2 жыл бұрын

What an incredibly stupid POV

@Wayzor_

2 жыл бұрын

Weak minds seek to simplify things.

@Signorellielli

Жыл бұрын

@@famousbowl9926 calling trans people things?

@indianajones3315

Жыл бұрын

Yep, everyone is a winner these days…

Ahhh so this is where they get the "Kubrick filmed the moon landing" thing

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Nope, i've made a video debunking that before.

@HabbeningNetNews

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning seen that one too and a brilliant video as well. Its fascinating how people have their own weird theories about what Kubrick did but the truth is far more interesting than some wacky moon anagram in the shining.

@c5quared626

4 жыл бұрын

​@@HabbeningNetNews yes this video does show a very serious link between NASA, The State, and Stanley. IBM involvement has also been proven here, remember the face reflection? what wacky moon anagram? or ROOM No (MOON oR) 237 (237) 000 miles from the earth at some point in time, not avg? and the sweater that had apollo on it, that danny wasn't wearing before or after those shots?no connection? right. rob have you looked at speeding up the moon walk/hop vids? a man of your talent should find it odd. i would like to see a computer simulation of 1/6 gravity walk/hop. let's admit its debatable:) you know stan uses references and easter eggs from past films, why not here, even if it is reference to HIS own whims? not necessarily a conspiracy

@audunfs

4 жыл бұрын

Kubrick didn't, obviously. Too amateurish to be him. He was intelligent enough to see through the NASA hoax, or he was in the know, but not directly involved.

@brianarbenz7206

4 жыл бұрын

And Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln!

So glad you had Tom Leher in this. HE has a lot of songs about social issues. Many of which were waaaaaaay ahead of their time.

A few counter-suggestions: 1. The "out of focus blob" above Poole's shoulder looks to me more like lens flare. You can see the shape of the lens iris leaves at the outside of the "blob." A spot on the mirror would be so out of focus I doubt it'd be visible, similar to dust on a 35mm SLR's mirror. 2. The missing rectangle from the floor seems in keeping with one camera position used, in which the camera rotates with the centrifuge (more like a hamster wheel in my eyes). 3. Another purpose of the propaganda film could be to influence Congress for funding for both NASA and 2001 itself. They wouldn't have to influence the voting public, just a few bloviating politicians. In present day, various arms of the government (military and CIA) have funded movies which further their views. Maybe this was overkill, though. From history we know politicians are more influenced by trips and sex... both of which Hollywood had plenty. "Happy Birthday... to you... Happy Birthday... Mr. Pres-i-dent... " 4. In the "Odyssey" metaphor, wouldn't HAL be more like "Cyclops" than Athena? In the Odyssey she helps Ulysses, rather than try to kill him. 5. I wonder if the pal of Ordway III is also an ex-Nazi. 6. When HAL terminates life support for the frozen astronauts, a sign flashes "Life Functions Terminated." Do you interpret that differently from "Astronauts are Dead?" "Revival" is one thing, to me indicating revival from hibernation. The instructions don't seem to have a paragraph for "resurrection of dead crew." What evidence did you see that they were alive at the end? 7. To me, the object on the right at 55:38 looks more like a sperm headed for an egg than a comet in space. But, that could be my own mind. 8. I think I see hints of continents under the clouds in some Earth shots. To me, the one at 55:45 of your video looks like part of Australia. 9. "Shirley" you know that the narrator of "Universe" is Douglas Rain, the voice of HAL. 10. I agree the blobs etc during the interstellar journey look organic. I took it, though, that Bowman was seeing parts of the universe quite unlike the sector visible to us, with perhaps even differing elements and rules of Physics. I wouldn't argue against your interpretation, though.

@aaronthompson192

Жыл бұрын

Agree on all your points. Also - They didn't know what the Earth looked like from space when they painted the Earth for this film and you also can't see continents from close orbit if you're over an ocean. This is explained by production crew in interviews. The astral objects portrayed would also have been based on ground based astral photos of that time period which would have been "blurry blobs" compared with more modern telescopes. Looking like embryos is probably just incidental.

@allanalogallnite

Жыл бұрын

For real though.

@RootBoyJim

Жыл бұрын

Dude, the Laws of Physics are The Same Everywhere.

@KutWrite

Жыл бұрын

@@RootBoyJim That is a hypothesis as yet unproven.

@sclogse1

6 ай бұрын

I think the shot of the tiny Discovery by Jupiter is more sperm and eggy. Also, Poole's rentry into Discovery looks like penetration. I have a theory that Kubrick was influence by Last Year In Marienbad in the end sequence room..

Superb analysis and some footage of 2001-related material I've not seen before. Really appreciate you making this, thank you for a really great hour! Interesting to see Harry Lange here. If you don't already have it I'd highly recommend Christopher Frayling's book, "The 2001 File: Harry Lange and the Design of the Landmark Science Fiction Film" which details all of Lange's early concepts and technical designs for 2001. There's also a raft of additional production detail.

I thought in Dr. Strangelove, his arm wasn't actually crippled. I always thought it was more like possessed. Like Ash's hand in Evil Dead 2. Only in Dr. Strangelove, his hand was being controlled by the Nazi part of him. He seemed to fight to keep it under control. When he lost control it would do Nazi salutes and other things, then he would fight it to get it back under control.

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought so too, but then i read the novelization. The original book was Two Hours to Doom, but when the film was made and the character among other things were added, Kubrick and the original author rewrote the book to tie in with the movie. The novelization gives background on Strangelove's arm injuries and ties it to Von Braun's arm injury location at Penemmunde (I think that's the name). but he's also described as having alien hand syndrome, so it's a combo of the two.

@Johnconno

2 жыл бұрын

'Der Fuehrerlimb.'

@BrettonFerguson

2 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning Thanks. I never read the novel. I hope I am never in an accident, damage my arm, and it starts doing Nazi salutes when I get excited. Like having tourette's in my arm. 😀 EDIT: I think your channel is awesome. Keep up the good work. I'd say "better than netflix" but that isn't much of a compliment.

How did Rob miss the button labelled “VIBRATOR” above the emergency revival procedures 😂 43:23

@LikeSomeDude

4 жыл бұрын

Flamesphere I assure you: he did NOT miss it LOL

@to_si_dr7647

4 жыл бұрын

where does it say that? timestamp?

@flamesphere3144

4 жыл бұрын

ToSi 43:23

@LikeSomeDude

4 жыл бұрын

ToSi on the controls for the life support for the hibernation of the astronauts

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Even i miss things .... that's a great one.

Hello Mr Ager, I have watched your channel since finding your video on spacial anomalies within the Overlook Hotel. I have watched your series on "2001: A Space Odyssey" and I have found what could be a continuity error or a deliberate "mistake" in the final third of the film. When Dave Bowman has returned to the Discovery, he wears a green helmet whilst HAL attempts to bargain with him. When he unlocks the door to the "Memory Logic Center", the camera is positioned directly under Kier as he climbs in. If you look at his left hand, the glove has come loose and his bare wrist can be seen. Do you think that this was deliberate??? I would appreciate your thoughts concerning this.

@editingsecrets

Жыл бұрын

If the left arm has the remote control button panel (IBM branded) for the helmet's memory unit, with a radio frequency data link, maybe Bowman wanted to unplug it to prevent the risk of some kind of tinkering by HAL.

BTW, at 32:55, you are looking at a POW. Really. Von Braun was classified as a Prisoner of War by the U.S. until 1959. Why? U.S. law and treaties forbade using an enemy combatant for government work until a peace treaty was signed (which the U.S. and West Germany didn't actually do until 1959) -- unless that enemy was a POW. So, yes, our space program got started using prison labor! Von Braun and many other captured German scientists and engineers who got rockets and satellites launched were our POWs for 14 years.

@darrenwolboldtalk2

4 жыл бұрын

it was also built on Von Brauns "work" at peenemunde which had the corpses of the slave labour piled out side, which he would have had to pass to enter, also he was most probably a member of the SS. Top Guy

@brianarbenz7206

Жыл бұрын

@@darrenwolboldtalk2 Mainstream U.S. media flacked for NASA on the matter of Von Braun's horrible past. Charles Kuralt in particular did a fluff piece on him that talked around Von Braun's atrocities using Kuralt's folksy charm. Complete snow job.

It's made on behalf of LOOK Magazine and its advertising and marketing departments, and it's intended to get more technology companies to advertise or otherwise promote their upcoming projects in that magazine. That's why the tagline is "A Look Behind the Future." Kubrick was well-known, as you mention, as a former photographer for LOOK Magazine. It connects LOOK's marketing team with those of the film production and studio, NASA and all the techno companies of the time, so all these entities can cross-promote to their mutual benefit. Ten years earlier it was Willy Ley, Wernher Von Braun, Chesley Bonestell and Walt Disney selling the very idea of a space program to the citizens of the USA.

@Sska29

7 ай бұрын

You're an idiot.

Actually, Kubrick wanted his movie to appear as real as it would be to the 2 astronauts, which had to show space, gravity, space travel, etc., etc., as it would be, thus, the trips to NASA. Kubrick was just a movie director. He new nothing about F=MA, and is why he hired expert technical experts, as he wanted, "scientific integrity," to be included in the movie. That's why people still talk about 2001: A Space Odyssey, 53 years after it was released. No one talks about the space trips that are shown on Star Wars. Why, even Dr. Brian Cox, with actors Keir Dullea and Gary Lockwood, appear on stage, paying homage to 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I'm glad this was re-uploaded.

42:33 Wrong. The" Emergency Revival Procedures" were for revival from hibernation, not from death.

2001 is about loneliness in an empty void, no life on the moon, no life beyond jupiter, just hostile environnement, and at the end facing the monolith (death), and accepting your own death is the way to spiritual elevation

Emergency revival is probably like emergency exit. In case of an emergency, you might need to revive them so they could exit the ship.

The fact that there was even a "life functions terminated" indicator light in the first place is strange and highly suspect! I wouldn't get into that pod! I think this supports your theory that the characters are in a scripted movie within a movie.

I think the theory that the rest of the crew is still alive is a big stretch. The film tells us (through the excellent envisioning of future computer graphics) that life functions are terminated. Any emergency revival procedures might serve in place of automated revival, but not actual resurrection. It’s interesting to note the emergency revival procedure apparently involves pressing a button marked “VIBRATOR,” seen directly above the instructions.

Shuttle is operated by Pan Am and the call from the station to earth was on AT&T.

@GentlemanAmerican

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically Pan Am ceased operations in 1991, a decade before the movie's timeline.

@leslauner5062

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, the call was on "Bell Telephone" the precursor to AT&T. That company didn't exist in 1968.

@timewarpdrive77

Жыл бұрын

@@leslauner5062 Same difference

@leslauner5062

Жыл бұрын

@@timewarpdrive77 Same company, different logos. They used the Bell Telephone logo in the film. That's inaccurate.

@timewarpdrive77

Жыл бұрын

@@leslauner5062 You said it yourself: "Same company," Apple isn't magically a different company because they changed their logo

Clark was right the quality of special movie effects has improved ! Space travel haha !

Excellent insight Rob. As I've said before, I don't agree 100% on your views but I'll say one thing, your production, research and attention to detail is absolutely world class. This is a 2015 video yes? Even so, your work is outstanding and I look forward to next uploads. 👍

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers. I like the way you suggest 2015 vids ought to be less outstanding ;)

@WiggysanWiggysan

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning No, always been solid, still are!

What puzzles me to this day, is that during the two antenna-related space walks there is ZERO communication between Bowman, Poole and HAL. Usually in space missions there is constant communication and the astronaut outside gives constant upadtes about where he's at and what he's doing at any moment. Why do they stay silent on the Discovery on this most important mission? In 2010 they talk all the time during space walks. Why not in 2001?

Watching your videos' identification of all the "film within film" allusions reminded me that the inner walls of the Discovery centrifuge living quarters look like they're inside a giant, enclosed 35mm film reel. The hub, spokes, etc. It's like they're "living in a film." The inset lighting around the consoles ... like light seeping through sprocket holes? Okay, I'm projecting this onto the film, I suspect.... The set had to have practical lighting to explain how the interior was lit. Likewise Space Station 5 looks like a giant film reel in space (most other illustrations or orbiting space stations show a single circular track ... why else would Kubrick have two?). "I guess you saw the construction as you came in?" "Yeah, looks like it's coming along nicely." Just like "2001: a space odyssey" I guess, it was coming along nicely. I've never noticed the mirroring of the set when Poole's shadowboxing around the deck. The dark monolith like hole in the floor ... is that how they got in and out? Did they have emergency exits in case the set caught fire? Would they have to rotate the set to make an emergency egress? :( As a kid, I never more than vaguely thought of the "Stargate" sequence effects as being realistic representations of celestial bodies. I thought it was a distorted (time and space) representation of birth of stars, etc, for Bowman to focus on while they sucked him through a wormhole.

@sellersgarner

4 жыл бұрын

Sprockets? Don't you mean SPACELY SPROCKETS, Mr. Spalding?

Watching this for maybe the 10th time - 50+ years after the other times- it occurred to me that once Bowman got back onto the ship, Hal could have just turned the lights off and blocked opening any internal doors. And I always thought that the spinning of the centrifuge was to create 'gravity', and once that was done, it wouldn't make a difference to the humans which direction it was spinning. Just as they can stand and face any direction, they could run-in either direction.. But then, I'm not a physicist :)

Imagine if 2001 had just become a forgettable Media-Military-Industrial-Congressional propaganda vehicle. One would have to go to KZread, where someone would have uploaded it as a community effort in film history.

@chickenflavor9880

2 жыл бұрын

Was it funded by nasa?

I have to pipe up about the 237.... I was attending 6th grade the year of the alleged moon landing and we were being taught the moon was "237,115" miles away. Some things make a big impression when you're a kid, and that was one of those numbers that did. I accept that the documentary said 238,000 etc, but the 237,000 figure was common parlance. Kubrick was fastidious about every detail in his paraphrasing of "The Shining", so if you have an alternate reason for using that number, I'm open to it, but until then, I'm convinced it did indeed represent the distance to the Moon.

I am feeling quite blessed on this cold and dark morn to have found this utterly fantastic vid! Thnx so so much, cheers from Sasquatch country!

glad to see you're not done with vids on my favorite film of all time.

Rob, I wonder if you have had chance to watch Cure (Kyua) as of yet?

Why do you think there’s an insert shot of the interviewer removing his glasses while talking to Arthur?

@DrewJonesandSparky

4 жыл бұрын

It must have been a Bausch and Lomb marketing insert.

The song at 41:00 was funny, clever and accurate.

I'm seeing a few comments about "Yes, the moon landing was propaganda" or something similar. Did you watch the video or did you just see the title while you were watching your flat earth videos?

@TheSynergy40

4 жыл бұрын

Right? Its like, if we can weaponize atomic physics, we can get to the moon.

The military section of the space station had an interesting image - a man with a projector showing another man a movie. Considering the monolith symbolism, could this be what inspired Kubrick, as the projector man? A militarized Plato’s cave in space? The movie contains numerous examples of characters watching videos of other people.

@IndividualThoughtPatterns

5 ай бұрын

Could be

do you think the parallels are because Kubrick shot 2001 to resemble some accidental scenes in the documentary (which had to have been made prior to the film) or are you suggesting he actually made the documentary himself (perhaps at the editing or some other post-production stage ) with his vision of the future film in mind and thus the documentary isn't credited to hide his participation?

My favourite asmr channel, I cant be the only one!

in regards to the mirror shot, kubrick could have reversed the negative on the print, no need for anything 'digital'. It was deliberate.

I'm guessing the 8:50 warning not to upload doesn't apply, as this is your channel, right, Rob? Very interesting, as usual, sir!

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Yep cheers

This is an excellent thesis. I enjoy learning where artists borrow their ideas. I have always suspected that Earth was left blurry and without continents because Kubrick didn’t want the viewer to focus on Earth.

Really good video as usual Rob. I think your point about the stargate special effects not being up to the standards of the short film Universe is correct, but I doubt Kubrick wanted the effect to be so literal. The whole film is vague, the stargate sequence is intended to be just as vague. Show, and not tell.

@toniprince4192

7 ай бұрын

I agree. To me, this film is all about, as a young man, being kept in the dark; never really knowing what is what; flying by the seat of your pants past things that are blurred, don't add up, and could be a trick - and experiencing all this in super-slow-motion. You are always a moment away from becoming either nothing at all in a totally ersatz world, or who you truly are, right from the start.

Flipping shots was possible predigital, Star Wars features many flipped shots, the giveaway is the lens layout on R2D2 changing for no reason between shots

Excellent work. I always thoroughly enjoy your uploads. One minor typo: Keir, not Kier, at 23:14.

Hey, I absolutely adore your videos and your insight into films, have you considered making a podcast about film analysis?

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Prepping to do that in the near future. Still a bit tied up with parenting duties and a couple of other things.

Whew, _that old KZread lay-out._ - Awsm Chimera

Side note: your voice sounds like Ash from ALIEN when his head was in the table. I love it 👍🏽

@40:02 Tom Lehrer (still kicking at age 95 as of this writing) is such a mensch! In October 2020, he released all his music into the public domain, so feel free to record and release your version of this song or any other(s) of his comedic classics.

What do the "88" and "555" in your KZread usernames signify?

So, did you find any evidence of Kubrick actually taking money from any of these companies? Because if not, you aren't going to convince me that the usage of these name brands was for any purpose other than to establish realism in the film.

@labbeaj

4 жыл бұрын

Rockets don't go to space. Hence, the need for "indoctrination" and "education by entertainment"... Why can't you see this?

@rotisseriepossum

4 жыл бұрын

AJ Labbe wait what?

@termination9353

4 жыл бұрын

The movie revolves around the enigma of the Monolith which DOES exist... is hidden inside the building called the Kaaba (not an ancient building) at Mecca Saudi Arabia. The dimensions 1:4:9 of the Monolith gives the correct decimal places of Pi. "piece of pi[e]" -2010 Odyssey "square of the first 3 integers" = progression of Pi decimals is always the progression of PRIME NUMBERS squared. First seven prime numbers squared added up = 666 = "Key of David" The Monolith is mentioned twice in the Bible. Once as King Og's "bedstead" "NINE cubits was the length thereof, and FOUR cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of A[1] man. 9:4:1/1:4:9 ....and once as captured by King David, the "Methegammah" (Meta Gamma) 2 Samuel 8:1

@bsharp847

Жыл бұрын

@@termination9353 well spotted mate I had't thought of that but it's true

In the 2001 documentary Kubrick also emphasized his own stature as a filmmaker with the framing of the shots of himself. The camera is low, shooting up, as if looking at a giant

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes. i noticed that, the narration is about him.

As to no continents on the presentation of the earth you have to keep in mind there were no pictures of the whole earth when the movie was made. I saw an interview with the creator of the image and he said it was meant to be stylized and was pretty much a guess. It wasn't meant to have globe like accuracy.

Great vid. What do you think of Kubrick's explanation of the end of the film?

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Cover story. He did the same in an old interview then said it was the film's surface level. When asked to talk about the deeper stuff he refused.

As one of the prominent books about the movie says, America became distracted if not hijacked by social programs worries and complaints by various parties which have kept us from having the future as depicted in this film.

Thank you for the donation. Quality upload, as always

Are you going to be doing a review on "The Irishman" once you get the chance to watch it, I don't know if they are showing it at any theaters near you.

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Not seen it.

@thepretentiousplayer4017

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning in my opinion it is one of Martin's five best films but that is probably mostly due to the hype for it.

Finally got a chance to sit and watch this one about a decade ago. It's different. I like different.I think it's totally awesome that the original actor was available to reprise his role in 1984 s 2010 starring Roy Scheider.

“Stanley calls after screening H.G. Wells’ Things to Come and says he’ll never see another movie I recommend.” Arthur C Clarke, The Lost Worlds of 2001

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Haha, that quote sounds familiar.

@anonb4632

4 жыл бұрын

Meh, a bit unfair. Many people - including Rob Ager - underplay the role novelists and writers had in Kubrick productions. He has certainly done so with the influence of Traumnovelle on Eyes Wide Shut, and also the very Clarkean flavour that 2001 retains and you can pick up from his other novels. Things to Come was very prescient in its own way, if you can get past the superman-style capes and other superficialities... It predicted how WWII would go, and even the Cold War after it.

@termination9353

4 жыл бұрын

@@anonb4632 The movie revolves around the enigma of the Monolith which DOES exist... is hidden inside the building called the Kaaba (not an ancient building) at Mecca Saudi Arabia. The dimensions 1:4:9 of the Monolith gives the correct decimal places of Pi. "piece of pi[e]" -2010 Odyssey "square of the first 3 integers" = progression of Pi decimals is always the progression of PRIME NUMBERS squared. First seven prime numbers squared added up = 666 = "Key of David" The Monolith is mentioned twice in the Bible. Once as King Og's "bedstead" "NINE cubits was the length thereof, and FOUR cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of A[1] man. 9:4:1/1:4:9 ....and once as captured by King David, the "Methegammah" (Meta Gamma) 2 Samuel 8:1

Thank you for this very good, thoughtful video. I just subscribed. Fascinating that this was the film '2001 A Space Odyssey' Kubrick made RIGHT AFTER he made his ANTI WAR film 'Dr Strangelove' just as the Vietnam war was heating up and the anti war hippie counter culture. I find the open shameless acceptance of Corporate propaganda as National patriotic indoctrination as the US was competing with the USSR to get to the moon first very telling as it continues even more ot push imperial aims as we restart the Cold War by blaming everything on Russia as we slip back into the situation shown in 'Dr Strangelove'! Fascinating Mr Spock!!

You can see the utter original 1979 _Making of the Shining_ (Eagle Films) on VHS. The DVD has an 'updated' version.

Quite enlightening. Another good analysis, Rob. The narrator of the 1960 Canadian documentary "Universe", sure sounds a lot like Douglas Rain as HAL. It's someone named Stanley Jackson, but his voice is very similar.

@Nlogax

4 жыл бұрын

The narration was indeed by Douglas Rain. Stanley Jackson was the writer.

@morlockmeat

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nlogax - No wonder it sounded so much like Rain.

Your finest. Thanks for your hard work, Rob.

Since you've disabled comments on your other video about 2001 (your film analysis video) I figured I would post this here for you to see as I do not remember seeing either of these film interpretations mentioned anywhere else. Here goes. After watching this movie for the first time with my son (I have seen it probably at least a dozen times myself) my son made a comment about the three "acts' of the movie symbolizing to him the following: Act I (the ape section) is like being a baby and a child - only your base instincts are developing and you are figuring things out. Act II (the part with Dr. Floyd going to the moon and up until the Discovery reaches Jupiter) is like being an adult. Mostly boring, a lot of talking, but where most of the real interesting parts of life happens. Act III (Dave's journey "into" the monolith) is where you age and you start losing your mind. I found that interesting but on this past view, thinking of what you have said about 2001 being about film watching itself, I was struck by how, to me, the different acts perhaps can represent different ages of films. Act I to me is like the very originals of film - mostly action, very little talking (because most of these were silent films) and they had a lot of visual movement in them conveying the story. Act II is like the period of films starting sometime in the '30s and moving into the '60s - a *lot* of talking with not much actual "action" or movement where a lot of the story takes place through descriptions of what is happening. Act III reminded me of movies starting around the '60s, like "art nuoveau" which are very visual, very experimental, and very much up for interpretation. Anyway, thought you may or may not be interested in either of these interpretations; apologies if you have talked about either of these interpretations before and I missed them. Interesting that a 50+ year old movie can still have so much life and interpretation though...

@editingsecrets

Жыл бұрын

The most amazing thing about 2001 is that half a century after its release, you, your son, Rob, and the rest of us can each have our own interpretations, and they're all supported by one way of looking at the film.

Thinking about it wrong. 238 represents the true distance to the moon, so Room 237 represents man being close to getting to the moon but not getting there. That's the point of the Room # NOT being 238.... At least according to the "we didn't really land" theory. Danny could represent inexperience and naiveté trying to get to the moon, going into Room 237, but only finding horror, death, a ghost and fear inside, etc. The whole Room 237 sequence could represent the true mysteries of space flight and NASA's failures and frustrations with the moon program.

Your vids about Stanley Kubrick are the best I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing Collative Learning..PS Douglas Trumball worked on effects for 2001 and Star Trek the motion picture. Or maybe it was John Dykstra sorry i cant remember at the moment.

Second, and a really great insight on the creation of such a fantastic film, not many KZreadrs can do this kind of analysis or at least I have not seen anyone else do it.

@dakotaking4365

4 жыл бұрын

Checkout a KZread called, "Jay dyer"

Clarke's 'Childhood's End' was the scariest book I've ever read. …and nothing really scares me.

@ValentinPasseraH

4 жыл бұрын

Clarence Doskocil I agree. I have a nightmare memory of the end of the book. But I think the overall theme is great and hopeful

@lemdixon01

4 жыл бұрын

Clarence Doskocil we must submit to the Overlords because they are just so much more advanced than we are, and we must assume they are real.

@MsrAlaindeFerrier

4 жыл бұрын

Hi did you see the two parter also, not a prolific reader but really enjoyed the movie

@KutWrite

4 жыл бұрын

@@lemdixon01: That was just to acclimate us to submit to our overlords in Washington DC. They are even more scary, as they are low-intelligence psychotics.

@chuffpup

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought it was brilliant, but apart from 2001, I find his other stuff..... stuffy. It was a really awesome book because of the time it was written. Funny, how I don't like Asimov or Clarke very much. I recognize their importance, but prefer P.K.Dick, and obscure post ww2 pulp up to early 60s. A good friend of mine met Clarke in Sri Lanka... said he was nice.

The biggest gap in the film is the abrupt transition from Hal's demise to Bowman leaving the Discovery to investigate the giant monolith. In the novel quite a few pages are dedicated to Bowman's lonely life after his crew has been decimated, and his speculation anent the nature of the alien force that appears to guide him. Arthur C. Clarke explains everything, whereas Kubrick explains next to nothing.

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Kubrick doesn't just cut things out. He changes things too. a lot of stuff in the film isn't in the novel at all and vice versa. Two distinctly different stories sharing the same title.

@hubertvancalenbergh9022

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning I first saw the film upon its initial release in 1968. I was as dumbfounded as the other cinema goers, but then I was only twelve at the time. A few months later I read the novel which explained a lot. I still like the film, it's a worthy if at times confusing effort. And what a visual spectacle! The sequels are mostly rubbish imho. 2010 is an enjoyable read, but 3001 is so badly written it's even more confusing than Kubrick's masterwork.

@scotpens

4 жыл бұрын

@@collativelearning That's because the movie wasn't based on the book, or vice versa. Kubrick's film and Clarkes's novel were created independently and concurrently, both developed from a story outline loosely inspired by Clarke's short story "The Sentinel."

This is really fascinating in that I was a kid at this time and never dreamed there was so many propaganda-manipulation behind this movie. And the scenes with the Nazi Werner Von Braun nauseate me today.

@KFrost-fx7dt

2 жыл бұрын

And attitudes like yours are why we will never colonize space. Man, the wrong side won the war.

15:40 - Yeah, Poindexter. You tell Kubrick how to make a film [eye roll].

5:00 How many of these American Companies are left? The US has taken a huge dive since the great post war golden age. Probably never to be seen again.

@TheSuperQuail

4 жыл бұрын

Consolidation. It's never a good thing and it gets worse every day.

@Virakotxa

4 жыл бұрын

One half has turned into dark projects... the other half is now owned by Disney, almost certainly!

@collectivelearning I’d love to hear your take on the 2010 space odyssey sequel, I have been binging all your 2001 space odyssey vids

At the movie première, the closing credits for the movie, listed major American Aerospace and computer companies as contributors to the contents of the movie. After the première this was cut from the movie and never seen again. Some of the executives from these companies were present at the movie première and expressed disappointment as they were expecting a completely different movie. One of them said he didn't understand the movie and openly expressed he was very disappointed in the movie.

@CCLGamer

4 жыл бұрын

moon [mōōn] Often Moon. The natural satellite of Earth, visible by reflection of sunlight and traveling around Earth in a slightly elliptical orbit at an average distance of about 381,600 km (237,000 mi). The Moon's average diameter is 3,480 km (2,160 mi), and its mass is about 180 that of Earth. Its average period of revolution around Earth is 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes. See more at giant impact theory . A natural satellite revolving around a planet. A Closer Look: The Earth's Moon is a desolate and quiet place. The only natural satellite of Earth, it consists almost entirely of rock, shows no signs of ongoing geologic activity, has no water, and has a very thin atmosphere consisting primarily of sodium. But our Moon does not present a typical case for planetary satellites. Over the last 50 years, over a hundred more moons have been discovered in the solar system, so that they now total 165, nearly all of them orbiting the larger planets Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus (Mercury and Venus have no moon), with an additional four moons orbiting dwarf planets. Because they are so far from the Sun, these moons are for the most part extremely cold. Io, one of Jupiter's 63 known moons, is an exception. It is the most geologically active body in the solar system, with almost constant volcanic activity and a surface covered by cooling lava. Some scientists think that another moon of Jupiter, Europa, may have liquid water capable of supporting life underneath a thick layer of surface ice. Titan, one of Saturn's moons, may also be capable of supporting primitive life in the ocean of liquid methane on its frigid surface. The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2011. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.

@CCLGamer

4 жыл бұрын

I really don't understand Rob Ager's obsession with debunking that Stanley Kubrick changed the room number to 237, because he wanted it to symbolically represent the Moon. After all, the Overlook Hotel can be said to represent America when you look at all the symbolic references in the movie. Landing on the Moon was a a major American achievement, and a symbolic representation of the Moon in a hotel that is supposed to symbolize America, seems only natural. When seeing Danny, wearing an Apollo jumper, getting up from the floor like a rocket launching and going to room 237, it is only natural to suspect room 237 to be the Moon room. That interpretation does not necessarily lend any credence to faked Moon landings. The decaying woman in the room could symbolize the social decay America went into with the advent of the Moon landings. There can be argued there are symbolic references in the food storage area to 6 successful missions out of 7 missions to the Moon. If the missions were all fake, there would be no need to differentiate between the missions, since they would all be fake. Rob Ager's obsession with fake Moon missions needs to stop, because it clouds what otherwise is a brilliant commentary on Stanley Kubrick's creations.

interesting, anyway Kubrick was so involved with Nasa that he knew many things, The Shining is definitely talking primarily about the moon landing secrets.

So, your basic thesis is that Kubrick made a propaganda film aimed at increasing trust in space-flight technology, by having one of the film's main characters, who represents the apex of that technology, go berserk and kill human beings? I have that about right?

@delbedinotti6622

4 жыл бұрын

Good point...

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

No. Nasa and co wanted him to make a film celebrating the coming space race. He feared technology and what it might do to mankind, so he made a movie about a man who escapes the yolk of technology. They wanted a pro tech movie, he made an anti tech movie. Basically, that's it.

I don't mind a bit of corporate propaganda if the money goes to NASA. Imagine where we'd be if the US government spent even a third of the money they waste on the defense budget! It's about goddamn time that we at least BEGIN to explore space. Enough fucking around. 2001 was almost 20 years ago.

26:31 Dullea is even wearing something similar to what Bowman's aged self wore in the hotel scene!

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, the star child has arrived lol

I love that you give props to Universe! And yes, its effects are in fact better: they used three-dimensional planets and models whereas Kubrick's team shot large transparencies and then re-photographed them, giving a two-dimensionality which is really unfortunately evident when you play 2001 right after watching Universe. God bless Colin Low and Roman Kroitor!! Yes Kubrick tried to hire them, but they were busy making Labyrinth for Expo 67... but you failed to mention one of the main things Kubrick stole from Universe: Douglas Rain, the narrator! Hal's voice!! :D

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, i failed to mention it because I failed to discover that link, cheers.

Heh, a friend of mine used to carpool to school with von Braun's children.

@jtlemay4878

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is spot on

@steveetienne

4 жыл бұрын

Project Paperclip car rides!

@IvorMektin1701

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveetienne Long after Paperclip.

@steveetienne

4 жыл бұрын

@@IvorMektin1701 But not possible without it!

@IvorMektin1701

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveetienne That's true. He was already MSFC center director by that point.

This is major major -- thanks for sharing it. Hope you can manage to keep it here.

Great stuff! I just noticed while watching this video that the memory packs on the helmets look like horizontal monoliths. That is very interesting, thematically.

Fred Ordway III.....what a tool. Complete misunderstanding that he was working on an artistic project. Voice over narrations are typically for children’s movies.

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, academics are usually limited to verbal communication. Anything outside that tends to make them feel very uncomfortable.

It would be interesting to see a live reaction of all those investors as they watched the film for the first time.

@editingsecrets

Жыл бұрын

If there had been KZread back then, this would have been the original "shocked face!" reaction thumbnail.

As far as I know flipping shots was possible in post, even in the 1960s. Also from Behind the scenes documentaries, it is often said that they didn’t know what Earth looked like from space at this time

@1who4me

10 ай бұрын

Of course it’s possible. Use a razor blade, slice the film, flip it, re attach.

at 15:49 whe Ordway makes a seemingly slight comment at the "gaping empty spaces". in 2001. I actually believe he wasn't talking about the artistic choices made in the editing room by Kubrick, but instead he is hinting at the empty spaces in which the viewer is supposed to fill in.........logically speaking.

@editingsecrets

Жыл бұрын

Yes. The engineer's mindset is "show your work," all steps explained like in Von Braun's talk for Disney. Ordway was dismayed that Kubrick dawdled around on some steps while completely skipping over others. An engineer would get fired for doing that.

I always wondered why Bowman and Poole would be watching, seemingly as entertainment, a documentary about themselves which they recently recorded

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

..while eating too, which symbolized them being fed bullshit, figuratively speaking.

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

@Nature and Physics They speak in glowing terms about Hal and the mission, as if they are fully on board with it. We obviously discover later that all is not well with Hal, so the newscast is like propaganda.

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

@Nature and Physics To explain it fully, I would have to go into the hidden narrative about Kubrick making an anti space race propaganda film, rather than the pro space film investors and 'collaborators' like IBM and NASA thought he was making. You would be better off and more entertained to learn about it in Rob's video on the subject.

@davidlean1060

4 жыл бұрын

@Nature and Physics You are not familiar with the hidden themes, quiet clearly. Go and learn about them and then get back to us.You asked and I replied in good faith. At least have the respect to return the favour.

@editingsecrets

Жыл бұрын

They would have known about their known interview, but not known how the finished docunentary was put together and what else it had until it was broadcast.

I was totally unaware of this “special”. Thank you for this share, mind blowing indeed..

@tonybrown9875

4 жыл бұрын

This special is just another degree of propaganda despite that very subject being mentioned within it. Strangelove was used to push the threat of nuclear war which is a hoax, go duck and cover. Odyssey was used to push the hoax that is nasa and the likes of planetary travel. Kubrick is a golden calf, a professional hoaxer; 666 days to 2001, sure, and Rudolph is coming to town next month. He probably moved to Tel Aviv or lives in England still, likely the latter. After a staged funeral and gematria obituary some of these satanic family shills go back to work under different guises on new projects with mocking aliases. Science is a great hoax, people are blinded by it like religion; in the past we had a clergy with cloaks, now we have scientists with white coats, different era, new _space age,_ but the same game is being played. Considering Kubrick’s satanic creed, who are proud deceivers, the norm would be her sex is even a hoax.

@aliensoup2420

4 жыл бұрын

Tony Brown “Science is a great hoax...” says the guy on the internet denouncing the very thing that enables him to denounce it. What a sick puppy.

@jamesstaggs4160

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonybrown9875 how can science be a hoax? Science is simply a method to explain natural phenomena through observation and experimentation. That's all it is. Some people use that information in the wrong way or they may abuse the scientific method, but science isn't a bunch of facts, it's a process. You see something that happens, then you formulate a hypothesis as to why you think it happens. Then you decide an experiment that will demonstrate if your hypothesis is correct or incorrect.

how did thay get the camea down before the landig on the moon.

Hey Rob, off topic, but regarding action movies, have you ever considered talking about how a lot of the greatest action and adventure films (even films for kids), especially the ones made in the 80s and early 90s, weren't only more violent than movies today, but weren't afraid to be scary, as in horror film scary? Predator, Robocop, Terminator 1 & 2, Mad Max 2, Empire Strikes Back, Blade Runner, The Matrix, all had lots of scary or creepy elements to them in places that made the action that much more intense. Even child friendly films like Return to Pee Wees Great Adventure, Goonies, E.T and Return to Oz (came to mind cause you brought it up in your previous Wizard of Oz video) all had elements of this that we don't really see anymore.

@collativelearning

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I actually have a video planned out on how action movies became garbage over the last couple of decades. It seemed to happen in a series of key stages.

When the United States Marine Corps, invaded Iraq 🇮🇶. There were a few sites in the country that had secret laboratories hidden in plain site, many of which looked broken into. I remember walking into one of these sites and it was being guarded by the U.N. Soldiers/Personnel. North West of the Syrian Border is the location that contained a glass rectangle that was at least the size of a single story home. It’s was extremely transparent but what looked like micro layered prisms of colors. In the center is the infinity symbol/figure 8 with a green rectangle in the dead center connecting the figure 8, The green rectangle was about the size of a “pack of cigarettes “. It was well guarded. The only reason why I was able to see it was because of a working party I went on with my section leader and the Captain & First Sargent, we transported the Translator along with supplies from S.2 & S.4. Well the main point I wanted to make was I remember seeing the old Log Book and Noticed the name Van Braun and SETI stood out. This was during O.I.F 1. There was a folder as well that I had read through and it was all in English. It had 100s of photo-slides of explaining how certain sounds/words can create changes in reality. It also had pictures of Atoms/ Photons explaining in further detail. There are so many shady things that have occurred throughout my life in regards to searching for definitive truths about reality. I’m only 36 years old and have experienced way too many lies. I support your enthusiasm and appreciate your wisdom. Great video.

@TheSynergy40

4 жыл бұрын

Wave functions collapse because of interactions between particles. Not human observers, we simply do not affect the outcome.

@onetruth6297

4 жыл бұрын

You cannot leave this plane of existence. We are 100% contained and subject to laws and rules of our earth,plane,land,etc. you can’t leave from the face of our world.

@TheSynergy40

4 жыл бұрын

@@onetruth6297 You did not say anything. You wrote a paragraph, but did not truly say anything with any relative meaning. All I am simply stating is that the laws of this universe require no observers, particles interact without any measurements or tools. You are being whimsical and alluding to somehow that our consciousness affects anything at all beyond what we have on this blue rock. You nor I are special. We just happened to be alive.

@Ifyoublvintmhputyerhndsntheair

4 жыл бұрын

TheSynergy40 There is no ‘universe’. NASA has lied about everything. Nobody gets outside the firmament. Just like we can’t dig more than about 8 miles deep which took nearly twenty years to drill a 9 inch diameter hole. This “blue rock’” and the people on it are more special than you think.

@TheSynergy40

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ifyoublvintmhputyerhndsntheair Also you may want to get over yourself, you do not posses any knowledge that would shatter the minds of the common folk, you are just looking for purpose, in a purposeless world. Meaning is relative to us and only us. Though i guess you are skeptical of the government, so you must think that trump is isreals bitch right?

The "running one way then the other" could be to give the impression of the passage of time, in so much as the astronaught has spent enough time running around one way and is now going the other way over the passage of many weeks/months in space.

@danielmarshall4587

4 жыл бұрын

Right then I have to get to bed ....AND THIS IS ONE RABBIT HOLE I'M NOT WANTING TO GET DOWN RIGHT NOW.

What a fabulous thing. Very interesting take. I think the investors knew that Kubrick could be relied on to give a good product at the end of the day, granted Kubrick would have a certain artistic license, due to the 60s zeitgeist. The Apollo mission was a PR success. It was the biggest thing in history to some people, including me. I was born in 1961, and remember the publicity surrounding it. Ice blocks, clothes, TVs, everything was moon related before during and after the moon missions, and when Armstrong made the 1st step, it was berserk. I watched at school in NZ, early in the morning, on a small black and white tv set in my classroom with a huge group of parents teachers and other pupils. Indoctrination wasn't such a bad word in those days, if it was for America. Neither was being an "ex" Nazi, if you had skills for hire.

You're definitely on to something here. 53:00 - you hear the final statement from the narrator, and you see Kubrick talking.