Another impressive repair. Never seen that done before. And the lightning and thunder for dramatic effect. Boy would I have a mess on my hands if I ever tried that!! Well done Sir.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well Bob, its messy no matter WHO is doing it. I don't know how many times I stopped to wipe the oil off. A couple of those flashes was pretty close too !! LOL

I bought a J.D. 310c this spring in very good shape but most all cylinders have slow leaks. I think I better get on it so I don't have a blowout like you did as oil is very expensive now. J.D. uses a different spanner and there's even an adjustable one for all the diameters. Also you push the gland in a bit then put a plastic "tool" in the grove to allow seals to slide past grove to pull gland&piston out. Love your channel, your skills and good teaching. Couldn't believe how fast it started after sitting 2 years. Thanks for the video from an old guy in Michigan.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff for the kind words. I appreciate the time you take to watch. I don't have the plastic sleeve for assembly, but we just soak them in oil to minimize damage. I don't have the JD spanners and chances are they are different spacing that the Case wrenches. My packings were holding well, but what blew on this one was the actual seal up in the gland nut. So when it blew it sprayed an impressive half moon shot of oil about 20 feet every time I raised the boom to get out of the spot the tractor was in.

Just wanted to say a very big thank you to you as a prospective owner of one of these machines. This was wonderful to fully understand not only how to, but what it really takes in the real world environment to get the job done properly. Thanks again.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

With a few basic tools and a little understanding of basic mechanicals most anyone can do most all the repairs on these things. I have a 188D engine identical to the one in this machine on the engine stand now in the middle of a total rebuild. Thank you for the kind words and I appreciate you stopping in today.

@OTPFrodo

5 ай бұрын

​@@tractorman4461I think for a lot of us it's not knowing how to use the tools, but, where and how to apply or not apply them. I didn't even know about the wrenches!

I use a hydraulic ram helps control pulling out rod. just plug it into my tractor hydraulics or my bombardier. Or i use the hydraulic cylinder of the log splitter. works great. Nice job 👍

@tractorman4461

5 ай бұрын

Heck yeah...what ever works best is the way to go. Heck I've had some you could slip apart by hand too !! I like those kind. Thanks for the added input and for watching too.

Learned something I might never use but it sure was inreresting. Is there anything that you can’t fix? Your the best mechanic I’ve ever seen.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Raymond. I might have told you before that my dad always said that I wasn't a slow mechanic or a fast mechanic....but he DID say I was a half-fast mechanic !! LOL I appreciate the kind words, but I still contend I'm just keep sliding down the lucky streak I'm on.

That's a good thing to know tm44. I've had hydraulic cylinders leaking and never tried repairing one myself. You showed your subscribers how we can fix these problem leaks. Thank you tm44.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

The easiest ones are the ones with the huge nut cast into the packing gland. If the cylinders have sat and rusted unused for a long time, these that need the spanners are about the worst. But they are most all doable Dean.

Hey Wendell! Great job doing a tough job! Very impressive work, my friend. Now get that cylinder back on and get after those stumps!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well, right now its a little muddy but no worries there is plenty of other stuff to get into Martin !! I should get the cylinder back on today though because I have the tractor parked on a grown over gravel patch.

Man yeah Mr Wendell!! See I learned another god truck here, the vbelt thing!! That was awesome!!! You sir are a genius and I love every min of it!! The boom cylinders on the loader leak off, not out but won't hold steady pressure. I need to try and tackle them this winter! This video might just have convinced me to do it😉😉 I love your analogy on your channel, and that's what makes it so good!! Thank you for bringing us along Mr Wendell, awesome job as always sir!! I did jump a little at mother nature's knocking a time or two 🤦🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣 Looking fwd to more!!!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Yes, if they leak off its time to repack for sure. Hahahaha....a lot of viewers have commented about the weather..LOL. I love working in the shed on a rainy day. Reminds me of working on broken equipment in the blacksmith shop back in the day with my dad and uncle. We'd fire up the forge and I'd work on drawing out the worn plow shares for dad on the anvil then he'd put the finishing touches on them and temper while I'd start on the next one. I enjoyed cranking the Buffalo blower and working out of the huge brick forge. I have the anvil in my shop and a few of the hammers and tools.

@Pennies_on_the_dollar

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Man yeah that's awesome Mr Wendell!! I love hearing the history you have such fond memories of!! Thank you so much my friend for bring and sharing all that with us!! 😁😁

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@Pennies_on_the_dollar Well, not many would like it but me and the Much Older Brother could probably ramble on for hours about the old days. Now HE is the one with the superb memory !! Thank YOU for voicing your thoughts on my ramblings.... I try to keep it to a minimum though...LOL Have a wonderful day Nelson.

@Pennies_on_the_dollar

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 I love it Mr Wendell, hope you do the same sir!!! 😁😁👍👍

For people like me who don't have a bolted down work bench with 2 vices , I left the cylinder housing end attached to the backhoe to keep the case from turning when I loosened the nut, Some idiot before had tightened the nut so tight I had to stand on a 3 ft pipe wrench with a 4 ft cheater to get the nut lose. I left the housing end attached to the tractor while using a hoist attached to my truck to pull the rod out. The idiot before tightened the nut so tight it expanded the gland and it stuck on the threads pulling it out being expanded to a larger diameter than the inner threads for the nut. I had so much torque on it when it broke past the threads it shot out and landed on the concrete. I suggest limiting it's travel as you torque it out so it cant fly out. I realized the nut threads were damaged only after trying to re assemble it and trying to reinstall the gland , it's diameter was larger than it's bore. and the gland was cracked. but nowhere around the outer o ring or gland seal seat , since my leak was out of the shaft seal I replaced it, then I had to turn the gland back down on the lathe to fit the bore and had to straiten the threads back. I had not had a problem with the gland seals, if you have a problem with them you will get a leak out of the nut threads. Go figure after I got it back together the shaft seal leak was fixed but it started leaking out the threads, when it hit the ground it damaged the seal. I ordered a new gland seal and o ring and now have to take it apart again to replace them, this time IM welding the cracks in the gland and turning it on the lathe so there is no possible leak past the gland On my Ford, for the inner stack gland seals ford offered shims you install behind the gland seals to insure they compress between the gland seat and the face of the nut.. The gland seal needs to extend slightly out of it's bore past the gland face, if it does not it needs to be shimmed to make an end to end seal when the nut is snug tight and the nut face surface meets with the gland face surface The idiot before me thought tightening the nut more made a better seal when the seal has nothing to do with metal against metal. Another issue I had, for some seals, I used Harbor freight O rings from a kit only to have leaks and find out their 1/8" cros section O rings are way out of tolerance, a 1/8" o ring is suppose to measure 139 thousandths of an inch/ Harbor freights measured 121 thousandths of an inch.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Good deal...at least you got to the bottom of the problem. Man o man, that dude musta really tightened that gland/nut in there HARD. Too dang hard. Harbor Freight O-rings are trash. I've not had 1 in 10 that actually work. You added a lot of good tips for sure. I took it off and brought it home because the old hoe isn't here. Its at another location and I didn't want to do it out in the field.

Brilliant! I'm about to tackle three cylinders this weekend and I appreciate the effort you put into this video.

@tractorman4461

2 ай бұрын

Some of them come apart very very easily. Others can make a preacher cuss. Good luck with yours.

@Daveross5777

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Where's the best place to order repair kits for the 580?

Great video Wendell for the do it yourselfers.. Great step by step. Nice rain for the garden.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Did the daughter in Lake St L tell you about the monstrous rains that hit St Louis ! Some areas got 12'' and all the main roads had shutdowns. Homes and businesses flooded in some strange places. That was the day before this video. We just had a blip that day, but a good 1 1/2'' this day. We needed it bad too !! Not 12'' of it though. LOL

Nice job and you made it look easy, thanks. My neighbor replaced all of the seals on my Case 480D, it was time. He couldn't break the boom cylinder nut so I took it to a guy he recommended, yahoo charged me $120 (now I know about the spanner wrenches), same guy that charged me $170 for 2 sets of seal kits. I bought all of the seal kits from a place in Bryan Texas and they averaged about $22 per kit, but that was 5 years ago before Covid.

@tractorman4461

7 ай бұрын

Well, that's good to have them all replaced. You should be set for a long time now. The spanner wrenches were bought by my cousin in '73 along with the tractor when new. I have a loader cylinder just beginning to seep right now.

Wendell once again you show how it can be done with some of the right tools and a make it happen mind set for the ones you don’t have 👏. I have seals on dads old car lift I have to tackle or at least pull and have done. Having a large piece of equipment that does not work killing space is a pet peeve of mine. You’ve inspired me to tighten up and getter done. Of course several other items and commitments have precedent first . Seems always to be the case other than can’t do with out items lol. Great vid and I always enjoy rain days in the shop.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Oh heck yeah John. I hate for something dead sitting in the shop. I've got several three phase machines just sitting there waiting on me to install either the home made rotary converter or more variable frequency drives. One big chop saw and a nice surface grinder awaits....among other items. LOL. If those cylinders are too far gone due to water and winter chemicals, I'd check Surplus Supply for a cylinder with the same dimensions and go with it !! The hardest part of working on obscure hydraulics is finding the correct parts for them. Some have I D codes stamped on the end of the gland or gland nut. Not all though. Good luck with what ever you decide !!

A lot of work for a few o-rings and seals! Thanks for sharing!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Yessir, it is Jeff....but the bad thing is without doing the work, you can't use the backhoe. LOL It's a bit different when a seal literally blows out the end...there's no using it at all any more. Thanks for stopping in and watching !!

Great job Wendell, never do a job like that, good to have a video as reference when I need to do it, by now I guess the Case is back in business

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Almost Jan. I went down to the property yesterday to reinstall it and was met with a good bit of rain once again. Not a thunderstorm, but a slow steady rain, so instead of getting wet, we worked on another project down there that's also in the que.

That looked like a monumental task to me. Enjoyed every bit of it; well, except for the thunder claps.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't too terrible this time. But I had to help the Much Older Brother take one apart that required thinking outside the box. Got it recorded but no edited. I'll be a blast to see that one.

Hey my friend. Well done. I have an out rigger to do yet. Though it has been one of the wettest July and into August, i can remember. My Daughter's garden hasn't done good at all. No where near enough Sun. Crazy times my friend crazy times. All my very best to you and yours.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

If you have the tools, they aren't too hard unless you have one that just refuses to come apart. We had one last fall at the much older brothers shop. Wait till you see the video on THAT one Bobby. It's bad, really really bad. LOL But we got it apart and he got it back together so alls well that ended well...

Good evening Wendell. I have done a lot in my life but never repacked a cylinder.. Not sure I have the confidence in myself to do that.. Years ago when I had all my mentors looking over my shoulder I would have done it. But never had the need.. Now I have my dads old Electric log splitter he got back in the 70s need to be rebuilt.. It runs on 30 weight motor oil.. I just keep her full.. hahaha and put up with the leak.. Maybe I will tackle it now if I can get the seals.. hahahaha Thanks for the inspiration.. You can do this Gus.. hahaha Can’t wait to see your handy work back in action.. Great video my friend.. As always stay safe and always be kind.. Cheers

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Slow and steady wins the race Gus. The main thing is to make sure you have the correct kit for the cylinder and pay attention to the stacking and it'll go good. But the big part is disassembly if you aren't set up for it pretty good. We will get it back together on the tractor soon as it dries up a bit.

You sir, are a great teacher and inspiration!🎉🎉

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well, I don't know about that, but I DO like to fix stuff myself !! Thanks for stopping in today and thanks for the comment too.

that was very interesting buddy good job you are not scared to tackle anything I could maybe get the cylinder off and away to the hydraulic shop I would go just a dumb old truck driver put good on you for doing the job that was quite the storm rolling through take care have a great night

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well Tom, what it is is that I'm too cheap to pay anyone unless I have to !! LOL This was the day after St Louis got hit with 12'' in some parts. All main roads entering the big city was shut down...but out here on the ridge I didn't even get wet. Of course as long as the shed roof didn't leak anyway.

Awesome video. You made the hard look easy!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well, like I always say, if it was hard I couldn't do it !! LOL Thanks for the visit as well as for commenting.

Love your video, thank you

@tractorman4461

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. Sometimes they just slip apart by hand and others you have to fight to get them to co-operate !!

Great video.

@tractorman4461

10 ай бұрын

Ahhhh....a deer hunter I see. We end up with one in the cooler every now and then, but mostly its beef and pork. Thanks for watching the repair today. Many times they slip apart much easier but then again sometimes they are very very much more difficult.

You've done really well and v-belt is a neat trick. Done a few of these before without the correct tooling. Difficult to say the least, but possible. One had a snap ring instead with no actual holes for circlip pliers.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well, we gotta do what we gotta do. I've done a lot of stuff without the right tools. LOL I don't recall working on one with the snap ring retainer. But I surely haven't seen them all by any means.

My girlfriends Mom has got a case 580. I jump on it here and there and do some work. Put hoses on it a few weeks ago. Before her Dad passed, he sent off one of the downrigger cylinders to be repaired. It leaks from the threads on the Gland. Im not sure if an O-ring was pinched, it's loose, or perhaps damaged threads etc... It is in visualluy rough shape, with some knicks on the end of the gland. I haven't addressed it, the leaks is small and its not used often. Good video. Reminds me of my Grandpa. He loves tractors.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

It could be something simple as it is leaking from the threads. But then the packing gland has to be letting some oil on the wrong side it in order to leak there. I got nothing else for ya without having it on the workbench..... Good luck, and there may be information stamped into the gland to identify the kit required to rebuild it. Other than that, you have to go by the model and serial # of the tractor and possibly the actual loader itself. OR...you can take it to a hydraulic repair shop.

@mr.dr.k3148

Жыл бұрын

@tractorman4461 Thank you for the reply. The old girl is tired, but it is still able to function and get things done. Nice thing about old tractors is parts avalibality still seems to be there, for the most part, compared to newer systems. Funny how that works.

bonjour monsieur, un grand merci de partager votre expérience, savoir faire... Cela me motive pour les futurs entretien de mon CASE 580K. Bonne continuation et encore merci

Great video man!! I've never seen one of those apart b4!! Thanks for the new knowledge!!!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Hey Andrew.... good to see ya bud !! I'm glad you saw something different for today. They don't all come apart this easy on the glands, but others slide much more easily out of the tube once the gland is removed. Go figure huh....

@ButlerOutdoorsCanada

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 great to see you 2 man! Raven and I really enjoyed some quality time with the Tractorman! And I suppose if one thing is easy something else is bound to be a bit difficult 🤣🤣🤣

Very well done with what you have, I've heard of repacking cylinders but never seen it done. Gotta 4020 JD thats on the menu now, got estimates upwards of $1000.00 for the two main lift cyls to be "repacked". I'll give it a go now for sure, Thanks for your video information.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Look for identifying numbers on the packing gland just in case. There may or may not be any. Usually just the model of the loader is enough to get the right packing kit though. Yours may come come apart with pipe wrenches and not the spanners. Keeping the parts clean is important and oil soaking everything for reassembly. Also, be very careful to not damage the ram surface. Yours may or my not be easier to disassemble than this one. Another thing, if you use a come along, make sure the ram is pulled perfectly straight as an offside pull could put a bend in the ram.

Good job and a good day to work in the shop.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah, every day is a good day to work in the shop !! I DO prefer the rainy and snowy ones though. (-; Thanks for stopping by today.

That belt held some pretty good pressure when taking the cylinder apart! One of these days I have to rebuild the lift cylinders on my old Farmall loader. 👍👍👍

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I tell you, those V belts can hold one heck of a LOT ! I've broken them before doing things like this they aren't meant to be used for but never for lifting overhead. It's handy to keep a few laying around. Yep, better get on the old loader....!! LOL

Well I learned something since I’ve never done it before but have a whole lot more knowledge about it now my Friend! Thank to you of course! This definitely calls for a mess of drippin, tippin and sippin inna morning aimed at The 44 Ranch! It never seems to fail. I was in my shop a few hours ago thinking, it’s about time for another 44 Adventure and ser enuff! I am doing a bitta Tippin right now and be more major about it in the morning. I’ll send you an email of the projects I’ve been working on of late. The Best from our Holler to your Holler and Squeezez to,,,,,need I say! DaveyJO

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah DaveyJO....I'd be tickled to see what ya got going on as long as its not a view from a hospital window..... Take care and keep on keepin' on ol' buddy. I'll be sippin a cuppaJO with you in the morning my friend.

@daveyjoweaver6282

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Cool! I mean a Hot CuppaJO inna morning. We’ll clack JOcups in the middle !

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@daveyjoweaver6282 Hahahaha....sure did enjoy the conversation over the JOpot this morning. I still can't believe how accurately you re-create those ancient Native American artifacts !!

Heck yeah! Thanks for the video 🙂

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Alright !! Thanks for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it Zergo !!

That was an awesome video, T! I have never seen one taken apart. Always learning something new on Tractorman44. LOL! Super interesting my friend and very cool to see it all come apart and go back together. Nothing better to do on a rainy day but work in the shop. Cheers and all the best!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the visit GP !! I headed down to the property to reinstall it today and was met with another steady rain fall. So it was a no-go for today. LOL I love rainy day workshop days. Always did and probably always will. Take care my friend and have a great week !!

You did we’re well....Most of the cylinders I rebuilt are the John Deere ones and they had a hard end to deal with ....but, I got her done....there’s always a way.....CHEERS

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha....yep, always a way to get it done !! I thought John Deere had a better idea. I think some are just hard and others are easy like this one was.

Enjoyed watching and listening to the rain storm, but happy we didn’t get the 9-12 inches of rain St Louis had or now this wk what the poor Eastern Kentucky region is getting. What we had helped but certainly wasn’t enough, maybe only 1 1/2 inches.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was a lot of water dumped in a hurry !! There were places in StL flooded that hadn't flooded before and I think every main artery was shut down at one time or another. We had about 2 inches in this noisy storm.

Excellent thank you

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

No problem. Sometimes you can just slip them out by hand. Not this one though !!

The most important part of the job is doing the repair in the tin shed during a thunderstorm lol 👍

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha....yeah, a couple made my arm hair stand up....LOL Always a good time in a thunderstorm !! I figure the tin grounds the shed pretty good.....

I miss a nice sounding thunderstorm!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Good Morning my friend !! Well by golly you missed a GOOD one today. I like working in the shed on a rainy day. The bad thing about making videos is I can't turn the radio up to 'blasting' level for accompaniment.

good job

@tractorman4461

9 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Now I've got another cylinder needing repacking !! But it's a steering cylinder.

Thank you!

@tractorman4461

7 ай бұрын

You are quite welcome. We did another one for my Much Older Brother and it wasn't nearly as easy as this one: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2hho9WBXZq9iNo.html I think Its painful to watch. LOL Thanks for the visit today.

@thepitpatrol

7 ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 yes sir. You and yours have a Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year.

@tractorman4461

7 ай бұрын

@@thepitpatrol Thank you for the kind thoughts and let me extend the same wishes to you and your family as well !!

Using an old vee belt is a great way to lift or pull things, provided that, as you indicated" it's one that you're not going to use it again for it;s intended purpose. . They sure can take a lot of strain. Thankfully, so far, I have not had to rebuild a cylinder,... yet! BUT now I know what to expect, Thanks for this Wendell', always a good tip or three from you. Thumbs Up!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Dang Reg, you've skated by this long without a blown seal....you must be paying the preacher on Sunday pretty well. LOL. They are not all this easily done. Wait till you see what we had to do for the Much Older Brothers loader cylinder a few months ago. I haven't edited the video yet LOL...it was a nasty bad job.

@regsparkes6507

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Well you see Wendell, a lot of my time with and around this equipment was in the capacity of Service Manager,....:) so I just had to try to keep customers happy and as well the mechanics who did this work,... but then again, guess who's on 'the firing line' when a repair goes bad! Hahaha... I'll look forward to this video too, now. Stay well my Friend.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@regsparkes6507 Dang, you had the best end of that deal !! I think. LOL I've never been in a managerial position at all.... I stayed on the bottom rung where it was easy to hold on....LOL

@regsparkes6507

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Well, let me tell you a little short one, I worked for and with a large heavy equipment dealership, who also owned a small equipment rental/sales/service division, I worked for that division too. I always told my boss that unless your customer ( contractor ) rents a little ol' 2" water pump, from The Rental Division, to get the water out of that hole, it's going to be difficult for him to use 'your' heavy equipment. So the thought here is, unless somebody starts at 'the bottom', how can anything get done. Therefore mechanics and technicians etc, are very essential to finishing the project.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@regsparkes6507 Oh now I'm thinking you may have missed your true calling.....Motivational speaking !! Hahahahaha.... But I have to agree with you that every rung of the ladder is essential to a successful operation. Remove one rung and the end result can be very difficult to attain with a high level of satisfaction. By the way, that was a very good analogy that fits the situation Reg.

Awesome!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt. It's still working well today !!

Ha! We're having the same weather here. That repair looks great!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I didn't think you guys had a lot of thunderstorms out there Matt. But at any rate I'm sure the rain is welcome there as it was here.

@mattthescrapwhisperer

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Our monsoon season runs from mid June, to mid September. The associated thunderstorms are pretty violent.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@mattthescrapwhisperer Now that's very interesting Matt. I find on occasion that I have misconceptions about our varied environment across the continent.

@mattthescrapwhisperer

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 we had a wild one yesterday. It dumped 1” of rain in half an hour

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@mattthescrapwhisperer I got rained out of jobs two days in a row now. That much in 30 minutes was a real gully washer Matt !!

Thank you for your video. I was given two hydraulic cylinders just like these. I don't know if I will ever build anything from them but I'm a retired welder and if I need a project to do I'm sure I can come up with something to build.👍

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I'd never turn down a hydraulic cylinder...there's a lot of potential for tons of projects right there. I'm not a real welder, but I've been known to melt a rod or two here and there. Most of my welds look like a pair of mud daubers were fighting...but for some reason they seem to stay stuck pretty good. (-: I have a couple spares of various sizes myself. Might never use them, but it'll give the auctioneer something to sell after I'm turned to dust. Btw, I picked up a single phase Miller Synchrowave 500 a/d-d/c arc and TIG machine with water cooled torch.... Think I should try to learn TIG or just stick with the MIG and stick. Thank you Murray for stopping in for a visit !!

@murraychadwick9362

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 That's great you were able to score a TIG welder😲👍. Welding aluminum always comes in handy in today's time. Just go on KZread and watch a few videos and with a little patience and practice you will have it down in no time. Investing in one of those "self darkening" welding helmets makes learning easier. I do recommend getting a shade 12 in those helmets. Anything lighter I have had eye problems with. You will never regret learning the trade of welding. I have saved myself thousands of dollars in my lifetime by "repairing" other than " replacing".👍

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@murraychadwick9362 I've always been intrigued with rest of the trades, myself being a commercial hvac tech. I'm a retired pipefitter, but I was on the service side bouncing in and out of the construction side..mostly refrigerant piping, gas piping, chilled and hot water victaulic piping. So I did a lot of welding but never managed to take the certification tests. None of my stuff was ever x-rayed or anything. Nothing that important. I have been watching a few channels that specialize in TIG so I'm not intimidated by it as I once was. But I know its gonna be a learning curve. Thanks for the suggestion for sure....I think I'm on the right track !!

Goes to show you mechanical operations there’s more than one way to skin a hydraulic plunger. Great video I actually learned something about hydraulics today. I definitely heard that storm sounded very loud was there hail too?

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

There was a short spot halfway through the storm where I swear I heard hail hitting the roof....either that or some heavy twigs off the trees. Hydraulics are kinda like pneumatic controls to an old hvac tech....except different. LOL Remember pneumatic actuators on dampers or inlet guide vanes on large air handlers...?? That's just air pressure instead on oil pressure moving a ram.

Not everyone has a workbench with 2 vises...I leave the cylinder connected to the machine...just take the pin out of the rod end...block up the tube...extend the rod...the gland is usually not coming off that easy...use a ball peen hammer and lightly tap the tube all around, right next to the gland...probably need a long pipe on the breaker bar...the rod bolt should be loctited, so you need to put some heat on the bolt head...

@tractorman4461

2 ай бұрын

Oh, we've had to do all kinds of things to disassemble some of them. I took this one off of the tractor because its located too far away and all the tools are back here in the shop. After this one we used a 4 foot pipe wrench on another one. And yet others come apart with little effort. You provided all good tips too.

Nice!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well the process wasn't pretty, but it was functional. Thanks for watching !!

Good evening Sir, Joe and I did the same on the Case tractor and that was fun 🤣👍 I was baptized hydraulic oil splashed 🤣👌Ouff that was a lots of rains and thunderstorm I will jump in the air and get down on the floor 🥴 SIR, you have BIG BALLS OF STEEL WORKING WITH STEEL Bench ALL AROUND DURING THAT THUNDSTORM HIGH Lighting MAAAAAN 😇 Did I told you that we were hit by lightning on final approach with a AWACS E-3A NATO BOEING E-3 Sentry Aircraft back in 2003 when I was In Geilenkirchen NATO AIR BASE. We were around 50 feet above ground and it hit ( lightning ) us like a big 12 shot gun Magnum noise and then smokes, burning smell and a lot of magnetize steel 🥴 The lighting hit the front port side of the front cockpit left a burn mark along the side of the aircraft right above the wing ( break open the emergency liferaft door above the wing and went exit right under my feet on the starboard side ( destroy the rear engine APU ) in the rear galley where I was,,, alI the rivets holding the first outside skin of the aircraft on the ribs were all most all burned and the big 30 feet Radom above us was very badly damaged too and IT took many years to repair that aircraft,,, Well since then, I'm a little Jumping Jesus SIr,,, I was before but much more after that exciting experience ( No Sir, there is no life like it !!! ) See that link to have a good laugh ( that was the promotional recruiting when I joined or just before !!! ) ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/n3iHw6eQlLDIeZc.html ) or the best of all RCAF ( kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIipm9Rwhtu6XcY.html ) Sir I hope that you had fun reading my little post traumatic story 🤣👌👍 So now you can understand my craziness Sir Cheers 🍻

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

OMG !! I was laughing pretty hard at the description of how scared that was for you !! WOW, I bet I would be a little more jumpy too Dave ! I can't imagine flying through that kind of strike. My hat's off to you mon ami !! And I bet that DID give you a bit of PTSD for sure. I will go to those links and watch. Thanks for the best comment EVER Dave !! I'll send you a whole BOX of gold stars for the comment of the year. LOL Needless to say I am very glad you survived what sounds like could have been a major disaster !! Thank you once again mon ami !!

@RCAFpolarexpress

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Thank you very very kindly for your patience toward my poor written text, and yes we were all very close to be fry on that one for sure !!! Thank you for your OUTSTANDING supportive feed back comment mon ami !!! Cheers

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@RCAFpolarexpress I was bragging on your VERY WELL written english text to my daughter who's a speech pathologist at our local school. After she read it herself, she too was astonished at your harrowing experience and said you should be proud of how well you communicate in a language that's not your 'first' language. Now THAT's from a professional in the english language mon ami and she's very impressed. Neither of us can even imagine learning French good enough to make sense talking to someone like you or Joe. LOL

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I just watched the two clips about joining the RCAF and I only have one question.....WHERE DO I SIGN UP !!! LOL. Boy, those clips were motivational weren't they !!?

@RCAFpolarexpress

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Yes they are still HIGHLY MOTIVATIONAL FOR ME,,, When I have a very bad day at work, I look at them many many many times to brain wash my brain so I can continue further more like the little bunny rabbit ( going going going ) LOL !!! Thank you again for your OUTSTANDING Written fun Sir !!!

Really good video. I have a 1968 Case 580CK that I have been working on and the hydraulic cylinders will all have to be done. This helps a lot. I've SUBSCRIBED to your channel. See you around.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Awesome !! Glad to have you stop in and stay a while. Drop a comment any time. I usually find them fairly quick, but some do slip through the cracks.

@EverydayProjects

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Will do.

Wendell, I thought I heard the bell ring during the thunderstorm. You must not be hungry.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I think that was hail hitting the bell.....LOL I know when its a SERIOUS ring announcing food. It's all in the wrist !! Hahahahaha

@mikeadams2339

Жыл бұрын

Lol!

We leave the cylinder on the tractor and pull put the cap, shaft and piston for rebuild in the shop

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

Oh heck yeah. I agree with that, but I like to remove them because its easy to seal up the disconnected hoses while working on the cylinder. Sometimes due to finding parts or just workload, they have to sit two or 3 weeks before I can get back.

@mikexom

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 I learned a trick for that, use a plastic glove as a cylinder cap)! Not my idea but worked great. Also need to have a 3/4" impact drive to break the piston loose. A warm water or oil bath to make that inside piston seal flexible along with a of dousing with hydraulic oil.

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

@@mikexom I had the warm water trick already but dang, the rubber glove trick is something I NEVER though of. LOL. Thanks for the tip !!

Learned enough to send that to the shop! Still amazing to see how you do the job. I may have asked you about that chain comalong. How much do you find them for? I never see them under 100?!

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha....sometimes its the best thing to do Mike, but be prepared for a hefty bill !! Sometimes you can buy a replacement cylinder off a salvage yard reasonable, but it's still a crapshoot. I bought several coffing hoists over the years and recently bought another larger one from a retired iron worker for $15. Then I have a tiny one for tight spaces that's rated 500 pounds. I used that one for large compressor changes and large motor changes in air handlers. That one new was around a hundred bucks many years ago, and it is super handy for a service tech.

nice job like always just one question why didnt you compress air to push the cylinder out but i shouldn't question a master like you

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that is sometimes an option, but to do it without totally draining the oil first, a person stands to receive yet another oil bath Mark. LOL If you have to rely on just holding an air hose against the fitting by hand, if you break that hold,the built up air pressure will blast the oil spray right back at you unless you have a second person to handle the ram's exiting of the tube. Also I didn't have handy a solid connection fitting to apply the air pressure or the second person for the ram. Working alone, the coffing hoist provides the needed control, or at least that's my opinion. But like I said in the video, the real pro's don't do it in this rudimentary fashion. Thanks for watching and for asking the logical question Mark.

I wish the rams on our old JD Backhoe where smooth and shiny like your are. Ours are pitted and rough. New seals wouldnt last as long as it would take to install them.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Yes, that's bad. I've had luck with steel wool and 600 grit, but if they are as bad as yours.....bummer. I keep both 303 and AW32 on the shelf ALL the time.

I may have missed the reason why you needed to do the seal replacement in the hydraulic cylinder. What indication did it give you that determine the problem? Was it leaking around the rod or was there no lift or hold in the hydraulic cylinder? Did it sound like there was a pressure leak? I’m totally amazed at what you can do. Is there anything you can’t do? Thanks Thaddeus

@killinskindlingfirewood1851

Жыл бұрын

Lol! Went back a couple of videos and realized the reason for the repair on the cylinder. It still amazes me what you can do. I bet it was fun fixing it too! Saving money and having fun is a great reason to doing things yourself. Thanks. Keep up the videos.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

@@killinskindlingfirewood1851 Hahahaha....thanks for going back and seeing the reason. I should have grabbed the cell phone and shot a bit of the huge spray coming out of the end of the cylinder, but I had to scramble to get it to the parking spot before blowing out all the hydraulic oil. It was an impressive spray too !! I was afraid it covered the Nikon recording on the tripod, but the wind took it just to the side of it. Thanks Thaddeus for the very kind comment. I am glad you enjoy the videos here !!

Wendell, that was a great vid! I and my kin, do it the same way....rustic backwoods farming. haha We've got to come up with a new spanner wrench set, our old one "walked off" and never got returned, if you know what I mean. Did you get any of the 9in to 12in of the flood near St. Louis? We was in desperate need for every drop of rain that came our way in central MO. I'll bet your garden appreciated the moisture from the sky. I had been watering the garden, but well water isn't nearly as good as God's moisture.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha....I like that....'rustic backwoods farming'... What a cool name for a channel Michael !! We got a good 2 inches the day after the big one in the city. That was the storm that came through during this video. But the heavy rains skirted above us 40 miles or so. And yes we needed the rain for the garden for sure. I've been watering twice daily since the last rain, but nothing beats the natural soaking from above !!

Wendell, where did you buy the spanner wrenches?AL B.

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Good Morning Al. My cousin bought this tractor new in '73 and he bought the wrench set from the dealership's parts dept. Totally retired from all things related to dirt, he gave them to me along with the extra parts, filters and odds and ends that he'd collected over the years for the tractor.

Nice repack on the cylinder. Wish mine came apart that easy I have a 580 super K and the boom cylinder rod has a 2-3/16 head bolt that holds the packing assembly to it. I have hammered away with a 2500 ft lb. air impact and it won't touch it. Not sure what to do with it now, some people say heat it, don't want to do that and change the temper in the steel. I have hit the end with a sledge tried a chisel to shock it loose nothing has worked so far. Any suggestions?

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Well, we bent a 3/4 square rod and welded it around the end of the gland to give us a something for a 48'' pipewrench to hook to on my brothers 580. The heat won't effect the steel that much to cause a problem with a tractor like ours that sees minimal use. Now a tractor on a job that's run 40+ hours a week, I can see a bit of a concern. We did it with his and its working fine now. He literally snapped the ram in half on his loader. Here's a video on it: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2hho9WBXZq9iNo.html The heat of the weld loosened it immediately and it moved very easily. Actually the one we heated was one I took off my own Case many years ago when I couldn't get it apart back then. I found a replacement for $150 so put it off the side.

@traderman4378

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Always satisfying saving a buck when you can do it yourself! I ended up heating the bolt and got it out, I don't anticipate any problems from the heat, I put Loctite on it and tightened it with my 1" gun

How often should a person replace the hydraulic fluid and hydraulic filter on their machines?

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Normal usage tractors probably once a year James. But intermittent use machines like my own, probably every 1500 to 2000 hours on the hourmeter. There's probably a mechanic out there that knows what's recommended from Case.

@jamesbarton861

Жыл бұрын

@Tractorman44 thanks! I'm getting a 1969 580 ck at some point this week. Figured I would do an oil and hydraulic fluid change, just then try and keep them on some sort of schedule after that. I just didn't know what that schedule would look like

Where is a good place to purchase the seal kit for this? I have a 580C with a leaking cylinder exactly like this. Thanks and great video

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

This is where I got the last couple kits: amsconstructionparts.com/case/580b/backhoe/hydraulic-cylinders/parts. Look closely for numbers and letters on the packing gland just in case but the main thing is to have the loader and backhoe serial numbers. Iirc, they needed the numbers on the actual back hoe for a loader cylinder kit.

@buck8317

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 thank you. Can you give me an idea of where to look on the machine.

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

@@buck8317 They vary. Mine is a '73 and the backhoe info is a tag on the control valve tower. The tractor info was on the steering tower as shown in this short video:kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5p-28qekc2TqLw.html. Unfortunately I didn't include the location for the hoe.

@buck8317

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Thank you so much for your help. Mine is a 580C and I did find a tag for the backhoe portion. Now to try and get the seal kit and watch this video again when i get it in.

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

@@buck8317 Not all of them need to be pulled apart like this one was. Some can literally be disassembled by hand if you are lucky. Others can be even much more difficult than this one too. Good luck with your repair.

where did you get the spanner set. I can't find one anywhere?

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

My cousin bought this tractor new in '73 and the spanner set was bought from the Case dealer at the same time. He bought the whole security package with the locking cap covers for the oil fuel, radiator and gauge cluster. He also purchased with it a full set of locking side panels that have never been installed. Of course the full set of service manuals as well.

@justinmoody6721

Жыл бұрын

@@tractorman4461 can't find these wrenches anywhere

It's easier to put air on the blind end

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

I've done that too, but with a really tight one its hard to control the movement. Also if there's any amount of residual oil in there, it can get a bit messy !! Well, either that or its just me. LOL Thanks for the visit today Ron. Btw, I've got a couple more beginning to show signs of seepage. One of them is a power steering cylinder.

lol I came here to see tips on how to change out the internal seal, the one Tractorman said was the hardest to change, but oh well he decided not to show the hardest part.

@tractorman4461

9 ай бұрын

Hahaha…. I just popped open my phone and your comment came in. Yes it was not easy at all. You can damage them very easy. But I fold them towards the inside from one edge and gently insert them then pop ‘em back to their circular shape. My brother just ordered a specific tool this week for one on his 580 that does it without hurting the seal OR your fingers. This one took me three tries.

@Graybeard_

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for replying. I have a case 30 backhoe mounted on a Case W20B front end loader (weird I know) I'm rebuilding/packing one of the boom cylinders. I do have a set of the seal tools you mentioned in your reply. I was looking for a video that showed how to use them, which end of the cylinder nut (old name for the part the spanner wrench goes on that holds the seals) is easiest to insert the internal seal from. I do realize it's impossible to film/record the actual placement of the seal inside, but a talk through explaining the process, what is difficult using a seal as a demo (folding, etc.) would be great. And no worries, you aren't the only youtube that skipped showing the hardest part.@@tractorman4461

Manufacturer and part number of those spanners if you have it?

@tractorman4461

10 ай бұрын

Well unfortunately I do not have the part numbers but they are Case supplied tools. My cousin, the original owner bought the spanners with the tractor in 1973. However, OTC makes an adjustable spanner that goes from 2'' to 6'' that would be my choice if I didn't have these. Broken Tractor sells an adjustable spanner as well: CAS-1456A. The CAS stands for Case, btw. Good luck with whatever you choose.

@rally4life111

10 ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 thank you for the reply! I have the adjustable OTC spanner currently, I just happened to like the ones that you had since they had three pins instead of two and were rigid instead of having the hinge. I work for a case dealer I’m gonna have to see if I can find some like them. Thanks again for your time!

@tractorman4461

10 ай бұрын

@@rally4life111 No problem. I wish I had the part number for you. Mechanic or counter man...?? Heck, I might end up talking to you for the rebuild parts on a different 188D I've got on the stand. It sat for years with water in the cylinders. I got the jugs out, but haven't gotten back to pull the sleeves yet. They are roasted...pitted halfway through.

@rally4life111

10 ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 I’m a field mechanic actually. I’m in good with our parts guys though so I should be able to dig for ya if you need it. Man haven’t worked on a 188D in a while. Those sleeves definitely have seen better days then. You pull them yet?

@tractorman4461

10 ай бұрын

@@rally4life111 Not yet. Its on the back burner while I get some stuff done for the Missus. This winter I'll get back on it. I got the jugs out with a bit of effort, but the mains look in good to be good. A new set of standard bearings for the crank and rods will take care of the lower end. But I'm afraid its gonna take all new top end parts.

Headgland set screw?

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

Yes, that's the first thing to remove. Sometimes these come apart by hand and others have to be pulled. I've never been a fan of using the hydraulics or even air to move them for the potential of making a mess from the oil but mainly for the lack of control if the ram moves too quickly. But like I always say, the situation dictates the direction of attack. The machine was at a remote location to the shop and all the tools too.

@KyleMerolla

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 I've seen those set screws with broken heads. You can barely find them if the heads broken off and their covered in mud. They end up needing to be drilled out :(

Do you remember what size the that bolt is

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

No, I surely do not Jeff. Sorry. And the tractor is nine miles away right now too so I can't look at it.

@jeffjames9568

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 1 1/8 haha i figured it out

@jeffjames9568

Ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 it was a beast to remove

@tractorman4461

Ай бұрын

@@jeffjames9568 sometimes you get lucky with some of these things and sometimes you just have to pay the price!

Where do u order parts

@tractorman4461

8 ай бұрын

There's an industrial equipment company right across the river in Illinois where I used to go. Chartrand Equipment. It's hit or miss though. Then we have a local hydraulic shop I use as a last resort, but I lately have bought parts from places similar to these guys: amsconstructionparts.com/case/580b/backhoe/hydraulic-cylinders/parts Another place is AG Equipment Parts. Look for numbers stamped on the end of the packing gland before you search. And make sure you have the serial number of the tractor too. They are known for changing things over the years of production as things improve.

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@tractorman4461

10 ай бұрын

This one wasn't too bad, but I have had easier ones.

By 10:45 your hair is standing up more!

@tractorman4461

3 ай бұрын

Hahahahaha...musta been the electricity in the air. LOL

I repacked all my cylinders on my back hoe. It can be a messy job, and requiring a little bit of muscle, but it's not hard

@tractorman4461

8 ай бұрын

If the glands aren't rusted in place they come apart pretty easy. Sometimes the rams slide right out and other times it can get a bit tough to pull. This one was moderate.

@spacecat7247

8 ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 Yeah I used to just push them out with the machine. Sure, there was hydraulic on the ground but It was gonna be messy anyhow. Lol Big bars, big hammers and big socket sets with big cheater pipes cure about everything. What they won't cure, the torch kit will. Even better. Good video. Keep running it and keep wrenching !

@tractorman4461

8 ай бұрын

@@spacecat7247 Yeah, that'd be a bit messier. LOL. We used a 48'' pipe wrench and a big cheater on one not long ago. But a guys gotta do what a guys gotta do sometimes. Right now I gotta get my old rig back home so a bit of maintenance can get done. It's got a few little things that need attention right now.

@spacecat7247

8 ай бұрын

@tractorman4461 Case sells a face wrench for those glands. It adapts to a 3/4 drive ratchet. Was indispensable and the price wasn't that bad. Check it out. Local dealer should have them

That is not a coffing hoist it is a chain hoist

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Technically you're right Paul, its a different brand. I guess its kinda the same thing as calling a Diamond brand or Chinese made adjustable wrench a 'Crescent' wrench or Craftsman adjustable pipe pliers 'Channellocks'. This particular one I'm using is much cheaper then the Coffing brand: www.globalindustrial.com/p/coffing-lsb-ratchet-lever-hoist-3-4-ton-5-ft-lift?infoParam.campaignId=T9F&gclid=CjwKCAiAuOieBhAIEiwAgjCvckqC0AX7UzaXcNX0kPq9i1lOa-Jxf8jfWvakb9A15HYRoL64mBLVLhoCUeIQAvD_BwE But the main thing is its just a ratchet operated tool that uses a chain to move or pick up an object. Thanks for watching and making me think before making a reply.... I appreciate the time you take watching the videos.

dude i am subscribing now...awesome buddy....this is the way to do a video......makle it happen

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe. I try, but success isn't always the result. (-; Here's a recent video helping my older brother disassemble one from his own older 580:kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2hho9WBXZq9iNo.html You might like this one too.

When I tried to rebuild the boom cyl. on my 580 C I ended up having to buy a new cyl. I couldn't get the break the gland loose on the cyl., I snapped one of the steel dowel pins on my gland wrench. I tried a large monkey wench. I tried a chisel, heat and then tapping on the gland until I was blue in the face and decided to buy a new one. However, I did get the other side rebuilt without any trouble.

@tractorman4461

11 ай бұрын

I had one loader cylinder pretty much the same way. I gave up when I found a used one for $150. The design of the glands on these model Case tractors is not the best. Very problematic as they get old, especially so if they sit outside. Thanks for adding your own frustration to the thread. LOL

@markmeister2444

11 ай бұрын

@@tractorman4461 It sure wouldn't cost Case much to improve on this gland design! Course I don't know what Case is doing now with these glands, the Chinese are probably making their hyd. cylinders for them anyway.

I HAVE A CASE 480c construction king I'm just learning its all original runs like a champ leaks like a champ from the cylinder that why I'm fixing it when I'm not in school I'm redoing this but some of the seals fell apart if you can see these pics Yes im poor boy LEARNING EVERYTHING i can before i mess up here is the link of the parts i cleaned them up made them look as new as possible not sure if i missed any seal if you have time to see it cause the kit i bought does not seem to do the part with the bolt coming out there tapered like they stack . here is the link the back arrow will take you to my other pics . but yours looks close and mine is huge like that. Bought it with my lady so we can begin a life on a property we bought nothing big but just to get set up probably spend more time paying building permits that anything . here is this link thank you for any advice anyone knows . all original parts nothing swapped out good machine . i WANT TO MAKE IT TO MY 20TH birthday and not have killed myself when building on the land lol The tiny back arrow up in the left top corner will take you to the other pictures I am not sure why it chose one. www.dropbox.com/s/ud1mq2olbrw5pjr/20230428_163656.jpg?dl=0

@tractorman4461

Жыл бұрын

Did you notice if there were numbers stamped into the end of the packing gland ? Sometimes those will get you the correct kit for your cylinder. But all of them do not have that and you have to go by the model/serial number of the actual loader. And if you are lucky no one before you has installed an aftermarket cylinder. Good luck with your project, your lady AND developing your property. I couldn't access your dropbox for some reason. But I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference.