THE UHD Hobbit V2.1 is now available for download. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX5sq6Sof62rZJc.html - Video That talks about the edit and how the Hobbit compares to the Rings of Power. Discord Link: discord.gg/C3pf5A7RY9 Ko-Fi Link: ko-fi.com/ravenomics You should own or have access to a copy of these movies to watch this edit: amzn.to/3UbzT9R Here was the Link to Cardinal West's Video: It seems that it was taken down, and I do not know the reason why. Please enjoy and understand that this is not an attack on Cardinal's work, as it was done very well. I just believe there was room for improvement.

Thanks for the shout out! I have to admit that I’m surprised with how popular my cut ended up becoming. At the time I made it, I had almost no experience editing videos, my channel was only two months old and I was sitting at around one or two hundred subs, but I’d just been furloughed because of the pandemic and I thought “Hey, this might be a cool project.” Then several months later it just spiked up in views. I’m glad so many people enjoyed it, and I’m glad I helped inspire you and others to take a crack at fan edits of your own. Looking back with what I’ve learned since about editing, I can see how some of my transitions are pretty jarring. I tended to prioritize eliminating “non-book-accurate” material over maintaining scene flow and pacing - I think the only point where I deviated from this mindset was in cutting the Dwarves’ second intro at Beorn’s house, which I did enjoy, and which was book accurate, but hurt the pacing too much IMO. I should also mention that it’s really cool how lenient the rights’ holders are with fan edits of The Hobbit trilogy - most studios aren’t nearly as forgiving of this stuff (_looking at you, Disney_ XD).

@Waywardpine

3 жыл бұрын

That’s jarring I just watched your video 10 minutes ago and found this review video and now your here damn

@kathyhills9326

Жыл бұрын

How can I watch your video please? I followed the link above but can't find it. I can certify that I own copies of all LotR and Hobbit movies, extended versions.

@Monkeyboy2457

11 ай бұрын

I can't thank you enough for The Cardinal Cut. I despised the trilogy but your edited version was wonderful.

@greenleafnerfing4749

9 ай бұрын

@@Monkeyboy2457 shame its not up any more

@thegarlicedragon3952

7 ай бұрын

@@greenleafnerfing4749 it actually is still up, you just have to download the separated versions.

If I were to just make one change to the cardinal cut, I’d include the scene where the dwarves walk out in pairs, it’s just too funny and it’s in the book.

@Ravenomics

3 жыл бұрын

I do like that part as well but I believe it ruins the pace of the movie, and repeats information to the audience. One scene I plan on adding is the deleted acorn scene in BotfA when I begin work on V2.0 of my edit. Update: Didn't work out as I thought, I did the exact opposite of what I had said for V2.

@odinseinherji9719

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics that is a very good scene!

@robinschwarz2708

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics i think this scene is very crucial because first of its in the books secondly one of the biggest issues with the Hobbit movies are the dwarves and their names. No regular Viewer is able to name all the dwarves. The introduction scene at beorns house gives us a refreshing introduction to all their names and kind of solves the problem

@simongrant1015

Жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics please add the dwarf scene. It’s my dad’s favorite scene from the extended movies and the book. It’s a great addition for everyone that loves the Hobbit.

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

@@simongrant1015 I did, it's in V.2

I just watched the Ravenomics cut of the Hobbit. I say: THANK YOU very much!!! You made from a unwatchable trilogy (for me at least) a lovely and great, many times watchable movie! Thank you again! This and you represents for me the future of mankind too: when there are no barriers anymore: ideas, thoughts, feelings, information can flow free and all the talents of the people can use them to make even more value for us.

Funny enough I recently finished watching a different Hobbit trilogy fan edit that kept all three films but slimmed each one down. I kept thinking about how it and the cardinal cut seem to suffer for different reasons due to the single film vs trilogy mindset. You’re version is what I was wanting

I don't know what the Cardinal West took down his video outlined why The Hobbit trilogy came to be so bloated and why me made the recut he did. Was such a great dissertation on the follies of modern cinema. 😥😥😥

That is our future! In the new era of mankind, all thoughts, feelings, ideas and contents can flow freely and user for the best! Thank you!

This is exactly, what i was looking for! :) I also watched the cardinal video and was super excited at first, but then held back by some people, who complained about weird cuts

@lukilsn

2 жыл бұрын

I just finished watching the 2 edits and i have to say, that it was a splendid experience! This is the best the movies are going to get If only the studios had not been devoured by their greed for profit...

I think the M4 Book Edit is the penultimate Hobbit cut I have seen yet. The year he put into it really shows. It was the Cardinal cut that really opened my eyes to fan editing though, but as you were saying, it was rather jarring at times with how he cut it. These cuts have made me really enjoy the Hobbit movies way more than I did the original theatrical versions.

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

My V.2 edit is much more inspired by the M4 cut. It still has a unique identity, in addition to fixing many of the issues brought up here in the comments.

@TheKindredCollection

Жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics I'll have to check it out! 👍

Yeah after seeing the Cardinal cut I was longing for something like this I’ve reacted on the discord From this video I can tell you’ve done some fantastic work and put in a load of effort, I’d love to see more vids like this from you

I have a list of fan-edits of the Hobbit that i'd like to watch some time, and yours sounds really good. Just added it!

Gandalf can teleport. I.e. Bilbos bday party to Bag End in the Fellowship.

here's my constructive criticism after watching it: The first part of this new and improved cut was very good up until they flee from the goblins. Afterwards it feels like the movie is in a hurry to get through the wolf attack, beorn's house and mirkwood. Some cuts are also a bit jarring still. Another thing was that Thorin hugging bilbo kinda comes out of nowhere and feels very weird. It could have been set up better or just left out. But everything from the begining until they get out of the goblincaves is really well cut and captures the magic of the book very well. The second half was better over all. It had more separate things i would improve, but each one of them weren't that significant on their own. the two most jarring things i noticed were that 1, bard was never forshadowed to have the black arrow in his possestion, so Bain giving it to him came out of nowhere in my opinion. And 2, Kili's death was completely missing. I understand that it would be difficult to include since Tauriel is a big part of it, but nontheless it is a shame to never show Kili die before the funeral scene. Otherwise, this was also a very well made edit overall. Nice work!

@user-ft3jq5vi2l

3 жыл бұрын

When shit mixes with gold on a molecular level, it becomes pretty hard to sepparate with a chisel

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah there are many issues and plot wholes that arise when you remove a 1/3rd of the films. Because normally you have the necromancer/azog side plots alongside those but by removing them it quickens the pacing too much. There are many things I need to re look into for V2 but I will see what I can do about the black arrow, but while making it I tried but couldn't fit kili into it without creating more wholes and issues. There are so many things I would love to change but they usually don't mesh well with my goals even if they are more accurate or "cooler"

@eliavillhabrand

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics i have actually worked on a fan edit myself (with your version as the backbone) where it is distributed into 14-16 episodes of a series, utilizing chapter names from the book. The hardest thing about the process have been to decide where to end and begin the episodes, and the order of the multiple Smaug-Bilbo-scenes. I did my best to edit Kili's death to exclude Tauriel and instead have knocked out bilbo as the person Kili is sacrificing himself for. It is far from perfect, but i'd rather have something that shows his death than it being completely cut. A question to you; How, if i decide to, would i best be able to post my fan edit for people to watch? Would youtube just take the episodes down?

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliavillhabrand As you can see this video has no audio and a whole bunch of things covering the footage of the movies. Because it will get copyright claimed if I didn't do any of that. I suggest you do something similar to either me or Cardinal and post a "trailer" then the actual files elsewhere. Because yes you will get striked for uploading them strait to YT.

Holy puberty! Haha I'll check it out bro

@Ravenomics

3 ай бұрын

Haha. I didn't know what I was doing. This is my up to date version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fX5sq6Sof62rZJc.htmlsi=4QwM072iex1Na62O Slightly improved speaking ability.

Much praise unto you my fellow nerd!

Great video. Hope you do more videos like this.

@Ravenomics

3 жыл бұрын

Will do in the future, waiting for more feedback before I make version 2.0 of this edit.

@aygu80

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics So do we get a 2.0 version now 👀

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@aygu80 Ok, to be honnest I would love to start working on it, the issue is that it will most likely be a from the ground up rework to attempt to fix HDR to SRGB problems. And Minor other changes and suggstions. And also windows died so I lost the project files. But I will start working on it again this week after midterms.

I've been looking into fan edits for awhile and never got round to watching one. This sounds like it could be the one I'm looking for. Two films seems to make so much sense to me, I've never understood trying to cram it all into a single film. One thing I can't help noticing though is there seems to be an issue with the colour in your edit just from looking at this video. I'm guessing it probably has something to do with using HDR source content into SDR without translating all the colour data properly. I'm no expert though so that's only my vague understanding.

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

That is likely the issue, I will need to figure it out as it is outside of my basic understanding of video editing. it also doesn't help that windows broke and I lost all of my saved work so, when I can I will try to address these issues in V2.

But the bridge scene and bombur being carried we're absolutely in the book...

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it was indeed.

@applejuices

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics You didn't like it?

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@applejuices Not particularly, as they distract and take away from the mystifying feeling of the forest. My edit isn't particularly focused on accuracy but on feel and scene comp, though both are subjective.

@JohnBanana

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics I’m not sure i see how bombur being magically put to sleep takes away from the mystical aspects of the forest? the whole river scene adds to the magic and mystery of mirkwood thats the whole point of it

Very interesting, I think I’ll give it a go! One thing though, from what I see on my screen the footage from your version appears severely desaturated, is this because the original source is in HDR and now it’s showing on YT in SDR?

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. It was unknowingly converted from an HDR codec to the standard SDR and this is something I have so far fixed for 2.0

@Manco654

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics Nice, thanks!

@Manco654

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics 2.0 is still wip right?

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@Manco654 yes

I don't see the link in your discord. Is it still available? I would love to check it out

@Ravenomics

3 жыл бұрын

discord.gg/C3pf5A7RY9 yes please come on by and check it out!

My only gripe with this is a technical one. I haven't downloaded the files yet but I just wanted to ask are they encoded in HDR? I ask because in the video, it looks as though they're SDR without the HDR layer applied, giving it a grey de-saturated look.

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

In comparison to the Blu-ray release it is entirely possible that it is the difference in the color correction as the UHD is much less saturated and goes for a sharper filmic look.

@aidanhickey5270

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics I own both and I can confirm this color loss wasn't the director's intent but rather the removal of the HDR metadata layer during the editing process (since all the color isn't there on the SDR layer of the video, meaning the HDR layer either has to be left intact for HDR displays or downsampled to SDR) unless the workflow was completed in HDR. If you go to a site like Caps-a-holic, you can see A/B comparisons of the blu ray version and what the 4K should look like with it's HDR downsampled to SDR.

Thanks for removing Alfred.

I just watched The Cardinal Cut. It was the only way I could make it through the trilogy at all. If I could make one change to his, I'd memory hole the trolls altogether and instead show what actually happened between the five armies (the cut was very jarring to a first-time viewer).

@VuNguyen-bo2cm

2 жыл бұрын

I’d add a bit of the battle as well. The cut seems a bit anticlimactic but it’s more faithful I guess

is it just me or is the original video gone?

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

It seems that @CardinalWest took it down.

How can I see this edit, I tried but it says my invite was invalid?

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Here is a backup link: discord.gg/kzXSfnq4qw Make sure that you are not maxed out on server slots.

9:32 didn't know escape had an x

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

First to call that out. Nice.

@geekypleer1202

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics just playing around though mate👍 Just watched the edit and really loved it. Thanks for the hard work.

did he delete the video of when he made the cardinal cut and the edit he made?

@Ravenomics

6 ай бұрын

He did. The Cardinal cut is no more.

@alumlovescake

6 ай бұрын

I think it was copyrighted, its still watchable and even downloadable on the internet archive

I just finished An Unexpected Journey, and I thought it was great! It cut out so much that was unnecessary. If you're open to suggestions, I have a couple. A minor detail, but I would personally leave in the stone giants, since they're in the book. Toward the end, I would leave in the thrush's flight to the mountain and Smaug waking up, then cut to Bilbo watching Beorn in the mountains. It was jarring to see the bird start flying toward the mountain, then cutting to black and having the "days later" card. It might work better to see Smaug stir and open his eye, then cut to Bilbo watching Beorn. The ending of the first disc could be rethought as well. I would cut it at the closing of the woodland elf gate. It seems more final.

@Ravenomics

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your advice. My edit I don't particularly focus of accuracy, but one thing I do remember is that the stone giants were just related to stone trolls and not mountainous pillars of rock as depicted in the movies. While I think that would be good to leave more in I might need to do color correction as Smaug's appearance is slightly different between the movies. I tried a few different ways to cut it in half, but I have a few things in mind for V.2

@perfect112customs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics Awesome! I can’t wait to see what you do

There is only one cut of this film and it's the "there and back again" cut. No Tauriel bullshit and so on

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I wish we got to see that version of the movie. I try to emulate it in my version but I can only do so much with what I have.

@JohnBanana

2 жыл бұрын

Theres like 5 different fan edits that call themselves "There and back again," and no, that's not the "only" one, there are plenty of good ones.

@Ravenomics

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnBanana He may be speaking of the Original PJ TABA version. That's what I'm thinking. because yes there are many other cuts that call themselves that.

Can't you make it possible to watch/download without joining discord? Like all the other edits.

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

Just remember that this is the first 4K edit, NOT blueray; my edit isn't like every other edit. It's now available on my kofi page, which you would have known if you watched the V.2 video.

@johnnygelin8391

Жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics of course I can... but why would I? I'm not using it. So it's totally unnecessary for me to have an account. And for the record, it's not like I follow you and you are a "big" youtuber that makes it eaven somewhat plausible to find your videos, so it's more strange if I would have found the V.2 video than me not finding it before watching this video. So you don't need to be such a d..k. You're acting like a teenager. Be nice to those that even watch your videos instead

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnygelin8391 It's an anti take down measure. I had noticed that the cardinal cut had been taken down for some reason at the time. Knowing that I was basically illegally redistributing the newly released UHD films I tried making it just the tiniest bit difficult to locate. Because, if you can't even do this, then you shouldn't be pirating movies anyway. Why should you? Well, you don't have to watch it. The M4 cut is honestly a better version but it's only blueray. + The V.2 edit is the first link in my comment.

@johnnygelin8391

Жыл бұрын

@@Ravenomics I'm not reading all the earlier comments. It's not a matter of can, It's want. I don't want to make an account, simple as that. Yes I know that M4, Maple films, Ed Harris's as well as my own is better. I only want to see others to get inspiration if there's something that could be better. Only if it's 1 thing. Not the whole movie. That's why I'm looking at yours and other simpler edits.

@Ravenomics

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnygelin8391 That's your problem. There is no best edit, there is no best way to cut the film. I talked with M4 (on my discord) about this stuff. Unless you do something drastic like, making VFX changes on the scale that he did, or being the first to build your edit on the newly released 4K versions *wink, your edit won't matter because someone will like how someone else did it more since you bring nothing but tiny changes. You are a drop in the pond of us 50 other hobbit cuts that already exist and have viewer bases. Cardinal just got lucky that his YT video was better than his edit. Is your cut just a private thing or do you plan on publishing it? What makes it better than all the rest?

Конфликт в Украине - это трагедия на многих уровнях. Он унес жизни тысяч невинных людей и причинил огромные страдания жителям как Украины, так и России. Я надеюсь, что мы сможем найти способ разрешить этот конфликт мирным путем как можно скорее, чтобы народ Украины смог восстановить свои разрушенные жизни.

Stop the voice cracks.

@Ravenomics

3 жыл бұрын

My apologies, I have underlying asthma that I was born with. Which contributes to this issue.

@AstraLuna-o9i

2 жыл бұрын

Way to be an asshole.