Card We Hate But Still Play | Commander Clash Podcast 138

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We hate these cards, but still play them?! The answer seems simple...
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0:00 intro and sponsors
2:46 Farewell
10:37 Tutors
15:51 land ramp
19:04 The One Ring
24:39 Feed the Swarm
28:45 DFCs
32:54 Sol Ring
38:45 Teferi’s Protection
42:46 The Celestus (Day / Night)
47:45 Esper Sentinel
52:49 avoid for Clash’s sake
55:33 Infect cards
1:00:15 Cathar’s Crusade
1:05:38 outro

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  • @AndrewRingle
    @AndrewRingle4 ай бұрын

    "Casual commander is about cultivating an enjoyable experience." *- Proceeds to insert 12 boardwipes into a deck -*

  • @jamespowelljr4636

    @jamespowelljr4636

    4 ай бұрын

    Bruh 😂 facts.

  • @BobardeZanzibar

    @BobardeZanzibar

    4 ай бұрын

    Is mono-red a fun experience? No boardwipes makes every game exactly like that. See Phil.

  • @itsazombiethingsgaming1107

    @itsazombiethingsgaming1107

    4 ай бұрын

    I'd rather see people add 10 board wipes in there decks unlike one group I play with how many infinite combos can I add in

  • @seanedgar164

    @seanedgar164

    4 ай бұрын

    Honestly, their pod will wrath 4 power because "they're gonna win the game!"

  • @marimi46

    @marimi46

    4 ай бұрын

    You don't need more wraths lmao. Just run more 3 for 1 or 2 for 1 targeted removal

  • @jamesvacca8835
    @jamesvacca88354 ай бұрын

    Seth is Safron Olive, Crim is the Asian Avenger, Richard is the Codfather, and Tomer is Baby Hands.

  • @darthsnarf

    @darthsnarf

    4 ай бұрын

    budget commander who? he has a new Tag Line now

  • @canamrock

    @canamrock

    4 ай бұрын

    @@darthsnarfHe's suffering from saving money on smaller hands. Gotta go with the value pack family-sized hands.

  • @joshuadempsey5281

    @joshuadempsey5281

    4 ай бұрын

    I really want this to become the top comment lol

  • @ethanhughes3515

    @ethanhughes3515

    4 ай бұрын

    The best MTG Mafia

  • @robgmb6311

    @robgmb6311

    4 ай бұрын

    Never forget Tomer's Onlywrists account

  • @BrewersKitchen
    @BrewersKitchen4 ай бұрын

    Just fyi I usually run 2-3 Wraths, 1-2 Counters and 1-2 Spot removal spells per deck. I just rarely cast wraths on calsh because I'm usually the one who gets dunked on by a board wipe 😅

  • @Lucarioguild7

    @Lucarioguild7

    4 ай бұрын

    Don't listen to him Phil you're playing the right way, you never have to answer problems if you are the problem

  • @TMidander

    @TMidander

    4 ай бұрын

    exactly THIS IS PHIL SLANDER :D

  • @nosyamthegreat8768

    @nosyamthegreat8768

    3 ай бұрын

    SAMMEE. MAN OF THE PEAPLE🤣

  • @grantpolley

    @grantpolley

    2 ай бұрын

    Bro WHAT

  • @vinnythewebsurfer
    @vinnythewebsurfer4 ай бұрын

    Alternate title to this video would be “this card is a problem and I’m part of the problem”

  • @mattfrisone3961

    @mattfrisone3961

    4 ай бұрын

    HA! Right? I'm watching these slides - "Oh, but I love tutors!" "How can you hate ramp? I love green!" "Yeah, I have 12 Sol Rings in 13 decks..."

  • @justin2039

    @justin2039

    4 ай бұрын

    This card is a problem and in every precon.

  • @-8h-

    @-8h-

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@mattfrisone3961 yet aside from crim, they all whine about sol ring and cry for its death like it slept with their partner.

  • @williambowen8054

    @williambowen8054

    4 ай бұрын

    You know what isn't a problem? Ensuring my cards are safe and secure with sleek UltraGuard sleeves and stylish deck boxes.

  • @oliverherman2447
    @oliverherman24474 ай бұрын

    I love this discussion Everyone: “these are mechanics that are unhealthy for magic as a whole” Tomer: “these cards hurt my baby hands”

  • @andrueurbane7361
    @andrueurbane73614 ай бұрын

    Crim not only hates ramping, he hates making land drops as well.

  • @taylorarnold880

    @taylorarnold880

    4 ай бұрын

    He hates ramping so much, he cuts lands for wraths

  • @cre8rzaw
    @cre8rzaw4 ай бұрын

    I think for day-night cards, the mechanic should have been that if there are no day-night permanents on the battlefield, the cycle reverts to day. This way it's always on day by default.

  • @SaltyProductionsHD

    @SaltyProductionsHD

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes, it needs like an ETB effect that sets it to day or something like that

  • @captainstrangiato961
    @captainstrangiato9614 ай бұрын

    Tomer yelling “MY BABY HANDS, MY BABY HAAAANDS” is really what I needed this morning.

  • @covertgoblue
    @covertgoblue4 ай бұрын

    best rule for day/night - when it matters, flip a coin

  • @techpriest8965

    @techpriest8965

    4 ай бұрын

    My group forgot that we had monarch in play (we said we will remember it so no token was being passed around) and rolled dice later to decide....

  • @trixterDevil

    @trixterDevil

    4 ай бұрын

    For day/night, just house rule it to reset back to normal whenever the one card gets removed.

  • @pascalsimioli6777

    @pascalsimioli6777

    4 ай бұрын

    You peasant, we have an actual crown to keep track of the monarch lmao

  • @skylerskinner2477
    @skylerskinner24774 ай бұрын

    I usually never put more than 4 wrath’s. I honestly would rather the game end and someone else win than having a drawn out game with continuous wrath’s. 6-12 wrath’s sounds miserable haha

  • @BrootalMetalBanjo

    @BrootalMetalBanjo

    4 ай бұрын

    I put in tire board protection spells in place of board wipes. Now when your wrath-happy pod attempts to wipe, your field is intact and you can win.

  • @BlitzKreigur

    @BlitzKreigur

    4 ай бұрын

    Hard agree. I'll slot in more spot removal, play more politics or take my beats. The wrath-reset cycle can turn any game into a chore, which for me, hurts the enjoyment more than having too many threats.

  • @EmbeJuicemazzopazzo

    @EmbeJuicemazzopazzo

    4 ай бұрын

    four/five is more than enough, I have around 2-3 on most of my decks, while I have 4 in my boros deck, the one I have the most

  • @Kestral287

    @Kestral287

    4 ай бұрын

    Honestly if you're playing a deck where the board matters the solution is to just play asymmetrical wraths and just win the game after you blow up the board.

  • @patriciaboggs8882

    @patriciaboggs8882

    4 ай бұрын

    Miserable? Ha! Have you tried playing around 60? So much fun! Some of my favorite games. 3+ hours of brutal destruction of everything where everyone is still above 30 life and has 0 permanents in play.

  • @doctorrobz
    @doctorrobz4 ай бұрын

    Richard: you can just play one to two counterspell in a deck Crim: 😐

  • @taylorgamble1965
    @taylorgamble19654 ай бұрын

    Seth, you can cut Sol Ring from your decks. I did it over a year ago (outside of my Obosh companion deck) and have been super happy about it. I highly recommend it.

  • @late_gaming
    @late_gaming4 ай бұрын

    If you raise poison counters to 20... no infect deck would ever win a pod. 1v1, sure... but a 4 man pod? nah dude. My infect deck is about as good as it can get, and it's still a struggle to win a pod. Infect is only good if you get super big combos, plus the stigma on infect already makes you target #1 even if the opponents don't have counters. My big combos to take a single person out in one turn will usually cost me 10 plus mana... then I'm outta gas. I see people go infinite for less much more regularly. Maybe that's just my experience... but raising the counters would be the death of infect. Anyways... love the content!

  • @-8h-

    @-8h-

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeaaah. I feel like 10 is too few, but 20 is too much. It's a strange situation

  • @MrJahoodie

    @MrJahoodie

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@-8h- Two headed giant is 15 counters, why not commander?

  • @donb7519

    @donb7519

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@MrJahoodiein 2hg if you get to that 15 you win in commander getting one person to 10 just means you eliminated one opponent its not really the same

  • @bartoffer
    @bartoffer4 ай бұрын

    The fix to double-sided cards is easy: you put them in a clear sleeve, take draft chaff, and use the sharpie to turn the chaff into a proxy. When you have the double-faced card anywhere the information is public, just set the proxy-card off to the side.

  • @user-nd1ef8xj6d

    @user-nd1ef8xj6d

    4 ай бұрын

    I hate them for the reason, that I never remember the back-side since I don't play often. And then I'm like trying to pull them out and read them without anyone noticing

  • @HJOTech

    @HJOTech

    4 ай бұрын

    Just use the million blank art cards you get in packs

  • @Gyarodos

    @Gyarodos

    4 ай бұрын

    Cleanest solution: 1. print a proxy of the backside. 2. Put it to your tokens. 3. When you flip/use the backside, then you exchange proxy back vs real front side.

  • @bartoffer

    @bartoffer

    4 ай бұрын

    Art cards and the MDFCs themselves can bleed through certain sleeves and be visible, since art cards have the blank backs. Just take a sharpie to a Disenchant.

  • @seanfallon2271
    @seanfallon22714 ай бұрын

    Richard: Precons have like no interaction, maybe 1 board wipe, maybe 1 targeted removal Command Zone reviewing nearly every precon of the last 3 years: WOTC is getting really good at including about 10-12 targeted removal and 2-3 board wipes in every deck!

  • @Jlizard27

    @Jlizard27

    4 ай бұрын

    I would say in general that precons are still very light on interaction. Maybe it’s dependent on how much someone is comparing new vs old precons as opposed to precons vs brewed decks. I would say 10-12 is more targeted removal than any of the precons I’ve gotten in the last year have had, unless it’s counting *really* specific and niche options.

  • @aydjent
    @aydjent4 ай бұрын

    I don't care how "technically correct" 12 board wipes might be, that would make for such boring games to both play and watch

  • @michaelcollins4534

    @michaelcollins4534

    4 ай бұрын

    And then they always complained about their three hour Modo games lol. I wonder why they got like that

  • @nosyamthegreat8768

    @nosyamthegreat8768

    3 ай бұрын

    Yea i run 2 AT MOST 12 is ridiculious

  • @WiLDRAGE777
    @WiLDRAGE7774 ай бұрын

    The only card I hate that I play is Farewell in my Superfriends deck because it makes sense to play it there. Day/Night cards I absolutely refuse to play under any circumstance. For Seth, play the Sonic Screwdriver from Doctor Who instead of Celestus; it has much better utility.

  • @MakeVarahHappen
    @MakeVarahHappen4 ай бұрын

    Yeah man, don't play that two mana removal spell. Instead you can tutor up a seven mana boardwipe that also destroys your board! These do not play the same role.

  • @drluigee21
    @drluigee214 ай бұрын

    100% agree with Tomer on One Ring, immediately thought of the exact same mana crypt comparison

  • @drluigee21

    @drluigee21

    4 ай бұрын

    And then a minute later also 100% agree on dfc. I like so many design-wise, but super obnoxious to have to unsleeve cards, and can't stand looking at ugly checklist cards in hand

  • @edhdeckbuilding
    @edhdeckbuilding4 ай бұрын

    a whole bunch of issues would be solved in commander if everyone stopped playing cards that they hate playing against. i might stop playing farewell for this reason.

  • @pascalsimioli6777

    @pascalsimioli6777

    4 ай бұрын

    That's like saying "we would solve all of our issues if we could teach humans what basic empathy is" I agree with you, but humans are pretty stupid animals.

  • @olddaydreams
    @olddaydreams4 ай бұрын

    It was a treat when I noticed a good boy on the bed behind Crim! Love getting to see one of the puppers

  • @liamlindsay6082
    @liamlindsay60824 ай бұрын

    52:52 Absolutely. Celestial Ancient is a great card in enchantress decks. Each enchantment cast, put a +1/+1 counter on your creatures. It is so annoying to track, I immediately took it out after goldfishing a sythis deck. Tracking how many tokens I had was enough. Boon of the spirit realm is just an improved version playability wise

  • @paulhedges4625
    @paulhedges46254 ай бұрын

    The One Ring definitely feels like a S+ staple next to sol ring, arcane signet. But I don't see it when I'm in those lower power pods, because it's sort of just understood that it's ridiculously powerful. I've intentionally chosen to not include it for those power reasons

  • @michaelburt9888

    @michaelburt9888

    4 ай бұрын

    The One Ring alone has caused me to increase the number of exile and/or theft-based removal pieces that I run.

  • @Oddler
    @Oddler4 ай бұрын

    I agree with that take. I just don't play cards I hate and number one on that list is rhystic study.

  • @delailama736

    @delailama736

    4 ай бұрын

    And Smothering Tithe. I don't even think I hate the cards, I just hate hearing someone saying "are you going to pay..." every single time someone plays the game.

  • @jamespowelljr4636

    @jamespowelljr4636

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@delailama736 I definitely agree lol

  • @khub5660

    @khub5660

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@delailama736 then tell them you aren't going to pay for it when they play it. Think about that?

  • @goy1849

    @goy1849

    4 ай бұрын

    I like playing rhystic then cloning it :D

  • @Kestral287

    @Kestral287

    4 ай бұрын

    @@khub5660 Especially with Rhystic that just means you're conceding with extra steps. That's not a good thing.

  • @J-Sade
    @J-Sade4 ай бұрын

    How do they play with so many wraths 😂 it sounds like a terrible time

  • @avall0nNn1992

    @avall0nNn1992

    4 ай бұрын

    Works with their meta and microcosmos because they don't really play a lot of infinites. Wraths are weak If combo is a viable strategy.

  • @xdavid00
    @xdavid004 ай бұрын

    I've been preparing for the Farewell-pocalypse for over a year now. Most of my decks are pretty resistant. Use slow-flicker/phasing for defense, have more card draw, have more effects from lands and planeswalkers, or just hold counterspells for only Farewell and not be tempted to use those for other threats.

  • @michaelcollins4534

    @michaelcollins4534

    4 ай бұрын

    As a mono red enjoyer I've had to start unironically adding warping wail to my decks just for farewell

  • @Qazplm601MC

    @Qazplm601MC

    4 ай бұрын

    @@michaelcollins4534 as a mono green enjoyer I’m right there with you, Warping Wail is our only out, even run old Boseiju to make the Wail uncounterable since the farewell players in my meta almost always have a counterspell up to protect it. Of course, then they usually just fetch mystic sanctuary and return Farewell to hand to cast it on their next turn. I’m so tired of Farewell…

  • @Chonus

    @Chonus

    2 ай бұрын

    @@michaelcollins4534 Tibalt's Trickery is a hard counter in red, definitely playable.

  • @michaelcollins4534

    @michaelcollins4534

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Chonus I'd rather not spin them into their bombs tbh

  • @Chonus

    @Chonus

    2 ай бұрын

    @@michaelcollins4534 Have you played the card? It's definitely better than warping wail.

  • @Dynme
    @Dynme4 ай бұрын

    1:01:00 CC is a build around. Pick cards that have chunks of creatures enter at once. Skip your Mardu Ascendency and go with Rabble Rousing. Is Mardu usually better? Sure. Is RR better for keeping your sanity? Yes.

  • @Beam_on_team
    @Beam_on_team4 ай бұрын

    The less obnoxious alternative to Cathars Crusade in go-wide white decks is Starlight Spectacular. It still requires some maths, but it means no counters, 4 mana, and immediately game ending if you top deck it with a board already established. It's also very budget friendly!

  • @TheSpiritombsableye

    @TheSpiritombsableye

    4 ай бұрын

    Just like them up in a conga line.

  • @MakeVarahHappen
    @MakeVarahHappen4 ай бұрын

    If you play Rhystic and win we will all be talking about Rhystic, not your jank. This is like calling Allurn/Acererak combo a dungeon deck.

  • @kevinthecarpathian
    @kevinthecarpathian4 ай бұрын

    12 wraths wtf, never want to play with Richard

  • @enriquemeza5291

    @enriquemeza5291

    4 ай бұрын

    For real! That’s beyond excessive. Long boring games.

  • @foggyparadigm4416

    @foggyparadigm4416

    4 ай бұрын

    Stupendously excessive and positively miserable to play against 😆

  • @dcnole
    @dcnole4 ай бұрын

    Credit to Crim for being an on-brand Grixis stan. To summarize the cards he hates: Anything green or white that is even semi-good.

  • @Newtontke
    @Newtontke4 ай бұрын

    Richard is my favorite Commander-related opinion person. He comes at the format from such a different perspective that his takes are either wildly crazy or secretly genius. This cast generally has a very individualistic perspective overall, but Richard is the most unique among the group. Most Commander content is everyone agreeing to the general opinion on cards and strategies and it makes them redundant

  • @ethanhughes3515
    @ethanhughes35154 ай бұрын

    I think we need a commander clash episode “oops, no wrath’s” then next week “oops, all wrath’s”.

  • @donb7519

    @donb7519

    4 ай бұрын

    We did have a no wrath episode it was pretty good

  • @TheAlmightyGoiter
    @TheAlmightyGoiter4 ай бұрын

    Everyone would hate sol ring if it cost as much $$$ as mana crypt.

  • @angusblankenstein99

    @angusblankenstein99

    3 ай бұрын

    I hate Sol Ring even at 50p

  • @MrBFriedm
    @MrBFriedm4 ай бұрын

    All of Tomer's issues have something to do with his "baby hands" 😂😂

  • @Vertrie
    @Vertrie4 ай бұрын

    The more I watch, the more I realize Crim and I are the exact same type of players, when he was talking about the golem commander, I was 100% on board with everything he said, even the mention of green only for the handful of splicers, I was like "The Mahdi has spoken."

  • @ThePurpleGM
    @ThePurpleGM4 ай бұрын

    I like to call cards that are very time consuming to play 'Busy Cards' and despite what a lot of people might think there is a vast difference between complexity and busy cards. Cathar's crusade and Coat of Arms are busy cards because they create a state of play that requires constant checking, but aren't complex in their design. I'd argue the busy card mechanic is the Day/Night cycle.

  • @Wearywastrel
    @Wearywastrel4 ай бұрын

    What we need is an anti farewell, we can call it welfare, choose 2 Return all creatures from exile. Return all artifacts from exile. Return all enchantments from exile. Thing goes wild with tormods crypt.

  • @Awesomesausages
    @Awesomesausages4 ай бұрын

    4:02 "How do you hate Farewell? It's so good." You just answered your own question. Fuck this card. I'm so happy to be playing in a friendgroup where we don't need six-plus wraths in each deck. Also, shoutout to Tragic Arrogance: great, powerful wrath that doesn't completely halt the game.

  • @TheAlmightyGoiter

    @TheAlmightyGoiter

    4 ай бұрын

    That's a good card. I've been running divine reckoning forever since it doesn't leave everyone on an empty board and stop the game.

  • @Balileart

    @Balileart

    4 ай бұрын

    Crim saying "oh but there's also the artifact deck that's popping off so you need something to deal with that" like my brother in christ, Austere Command is right there

  • @mrWade101

    @mrWade101

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Balileart In what world is Austere command not just a worse version?

  • @OGTahoe3
    @OGTahoe34 ай бұрын

    8:40 i introduced some new friends to my old group. All my new friends were so confused why nothing could stay on the board and why we saw 6-9 board wipes a game. They said it was really eye opening in how non creature decks hold up against Stompy decks

  • @cowsticker9618
    @cowsticker96184 ай бұрын

    I think the constant arms race between casual players tends to let their decks creep up in power level and include a bunch of cards that they normally wouldn't.

  • @NeoSamurai13
    @NeoSamurai134 ай бұрын

    I play the one ring in 0% of my decks. If i had the one ring, I would probably put it into 100% of my decks.

  • @Snipfragueur
    @Snipfragueur4 ай бұрын

    "Cards that are so good i would feel stupid not to play them"

  • @austinbrown2833
    @austinbrown28334 ай бұрын

    Always love the content guys! Much appreciated

  • @ericjackman1143
    @ericjackman11434 ай бұрын

    My rules for building decks these days are: - Typically under $150 - Using cards that directly synergize mechanically OR flavorfully with the theme of the deck This means that I have enough room to purchase a few niche and interesting $10 cards while avoiding picks like The One Ring if it doesn't match the theme. There are many functionally similar cards albeit much less efficient and sometimes needs multiple casts to get the same effect, but that saves room for expressing my deck in other ways. It makes for sometimes strange yet effective jank. Why run Rhystic Study in my budget Rafiq deck when I could instead use a Cold-Eyed Selkie, or a Thalia Guardian of Thraben?

  • @aklepatzky

    @aklepatzky

    4 ай бұрын

    Cause youre not gonna win

  • @Jlizard27

    @Jlizard27

    4 ай бұрын

    @@aklepatzkydoes your pod play 4 separate games of Solitaire?

  • @aklepatzky

    @aklepatzky

    4 ай бұрын

    does your pod see sol ring t1 and throw grenades at that player cause yalls budget and decks are so low?@@Jlizard27

  • @dorsalfin22
    @dorsalfin224 ай бұрын

    The Teferi's Protection discussion hit home for me. I just finished brewing a fog deck and even in a dedicated deck for the theme I run only 13 fogs, including all three Richard mentioned. I'm starting to think about making a big battlebox that is 100% singleton so I'm only able to use every card once so synergistic cards have a chance to shine. So many good generic cards come out these days, especially with the rapid fire release schedule from WOTC.

  • @Shimatzu95
    @Shimatzu954 ай бұрын

    @tomer, if you are in a pod were trust is not an issue you can kinda skip shuffling most of the time. You just start searching from the bottom and if you dont take too long to find what you search (like the bottom 20 cards) it shouldn't realy matter that you saw them. Ps: Personally my problem is not handsize but I'm just verry bad at shuffling and dont want to risk damaging my cards.

  • @memonk100
    @memonk1004 ай бұрын

    How much is tomer shuffling? I usually cut the deck merge them back and do that 1 or 2 times and get someone to cut done. It takes maybe 10 seconds

  • @webbc99
    @webbc994 ай бұрын

    I have a fully double sided commander deck, every card including lands is double sided or a meld card, it's great fun for me and the table, even gets some laughs from people walking past or in games next to us when they see me resleeving for every land drop! One card I hate but still play is Nighthawk Scavenger, you have to keep track of the number of card types in all graveyards which is annoying. I also really dislike introducing the Initiative for one card, but you basically have to run Explore the Underdark in gates decks.

  • @Onirikas
    @Onirikas4 ай бұрын

    Completely agree with Tomer's tale on wrhats, and how we should be playing more one sided wraths.

  • @Scub
    @Scub4 ай бұрын

    Shoutout to Richard. When in a boring meeting in home office I‘ll grab a commander deck for shuffling. ❤ So relaxing!

  • @DylanHunter64
    @DylanHunter644 ай бұрын

    Seth's comment about Feed the Swarm makes me wonder, how long can something be officially in color pie before players start to recognize it as such? How long will it be before people stop erroneously saying that Feed this Swarm is a color pie break? How long did it take for players to stop saying that blue gets pingers after WotC stopped printing them?

  • @OGTahoe3
    @OGTahoe34 ай бұрын

    13:20 i have small hands as well. When i first got to edh i felt the same way. Now i dont have any issues with shuffling

  • @Will_Morand
    @Will_Morand4 ай бұрын

    I stopped running Cathars’ Crusade and Virtue of Loyalty in my Thalisse tokens deck exclusively because of the tracking nightmare. When I pulled the deck out and brought out a notebook to track how many I had of each token with how many counters, I realized it was getting out of hand.

  • @TheSpiritombsableye
    @TheSpiritombsableye4 ай бұрын

    43:33 you only need to know what the last flip in of day/night. You don't actually have to track it. Thr only trigger that will matter is the most recent one.

  • @tk421eatmyshorts

    @tk421eatmyshorts

    4 ай бұрын

    Definitely this. Everyone always comments when some says “Draw, Go” and you usually notice when someone plays more than one spell, or are “popping off”

  • @RyanEglitis
    @RyanEglitis4 ай бұрын

    My choice for card I hate but play anyway is Consecrated Sphinx. It just takes over the game, unless someone held up spot removal or a counter.

  • @OdinMagnus
    @OdinMagnusАй бұрын

    30:00 For the dual-faced cards, I just make a proxy of the back side, and place it with my token pile. In a different color sleeve. That way when I flip the card, I just move it to my token pile and grab the one from there. I really like Thaumatic Compass, so that's an example of it that I just have the land side off to the side. 41:00 The best thing I like about Teferi's protection, is that their lands phase out too. What do you do against a Zangief out, with Jeska out. Then you drop a Questing Beast and all of a sudden you died because you can't defend yourself lol. 21 Commander Damage still beats "life can't change"

  • @darthsnarf
    @darthsnarf4 ай бұрын

    I also shuffle just for fun. I ruined a set of sleeves from just shuffling it non stop as a tick of sorts. i still have them and keep random lands in there and still just shuffle it for fun sometimes. i wish you had larger hands so you could enjoy shuffling tomer

  • @tobiasgstottenmayr6600
    @tobiasgstottenmayr66004 ай бұрын

    What do you guys think would be the right amount of poison counters that are needed to kill smbdy? :) We play with 15 and it's kinda balanced i think.

  • @cylver3593
    @cylver35934 ай бұрын

    During a recent game night, a friend of mine played Sol Ring turn 1 every game. We played four total games, I think, and he played three different decks across those four games, and he had Sol Ring the first turn for every game. I actually removed Cathars' Crusade from my Myrel deck so I did not have to deal with it. Having a different number of +1 counters on the same kind of token is annoying to keep track of, and bogs the game down quite a bit.

  • @codytx2
    @codytx24 ай бұрын

    I play Cathars' Crusade in my First Sliver deck & have the same issue. They all end up different power, stacks of dice, easy to lose track of as they cascade.

  • @RPGFanboy14
    @RPGFanboy144 ай бұрын

    As a replacement for the celestis Seth there is an uncommon that came out in the last Eldraine set that I think could fill a similar niche called Collectors Vault. You do have to pay mana into it to gain a treasure but it also lets you loot.

  • @mikemacbeath5310
    @mikemacbeath53103 ай бұрын

    For the DFC I have a proxy card in the deck properly sleeved and everything, then have the DFC off to the side in a clear backless sleeve so you can clearly see both sides. If it gets shuffled away, the proxy goes back in the deck and the DFC is back off to the side.

  • @sevenangerywasps6103
    @sevenangerywasps61034 ай бұрын

    One podcast episode I'd love to see would be each of you recording a ~15 minute video breaking down your deckbuilding process, how you go about, the types of cards you like to include, and your general philosophy you use when playing and how that impacts your deckbuilding. Then just compile each of your clips into an episode and that's the podcast for that week! Would love to hear more insight from you all on that :)

  • @Nekoboy728
    @Nekoboy7283 ай бұрын

    My Angel of Hope deck has 18 wraths. Planeswalkers, spells, and other common wrath effects. 35 Snow Covered Plains as well

  • @TryphectaOG
    @TryphectaOG3 ай бұрын

    Tomer, I need to see your Tetzin deck in action! I can't find gameplay of any Tetzin decks, it was beginning to make me feel like I imagined the card 😂

  • @danielscully449
    @danielscully4494 ай бұрын

    I love how half of these are cards that make you pay attention or do something (shuffling, pay the one, etc) and the rest are wraths lol I have to agree on some of these though ngl

  • @iheartlimabeans
    @iheartlimabeans4 ай бұрын

    I am a long time magic player and I am trying to get some friends into commander. Originally I suggested precons but after watching last week's commander clash, are precons actually a good entry product? Phil had 3 different counters on his field at one point!

  • @BrewersKitchen

    @BrewersKitchen

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah this might not have been the most beginner friendly one 😅

  • @Balex115
    @Balex1154 ай бұрын

    Why would you only run 1-2 counterspells? Like 5-8 is way better. They defend your board from wraths, help you push you wincon through interaction, and sometimes stop a giant X spell or a game ending sorcery. I guess it does depend on the deck though but gosh ive never run less than 5 personally.

  • @tyiscool12321
    @tyiscool123214 ай бұрын

    The shortcut for day night thay ive found is when the next card comes out, just walk backwards to see when the last time people either cast 2 spells in their last turn, or when they last passed their turn. I feel like most times people cast two spells in their turn so it shouldnt be that hard to reset back to where it needs to be at

  • @Schmanton
    @Schmanton4 ай бұрын

    I have the one ring only in my frodo deck, mostly just because it's one theme and i got it as the draft set promo.

  • @Glanbalf
    @Glanbalf4 ай бұрын

    Managing multiple +1/+1 counters is actually super easy with dry erase round tokens on the top of the cards

  • @discoviolenza1984
    @discoviolenza19844 ай бұрын

    There have been cards I've started cutting because I don't want to track because I don't like carrying around 20 dice and a bunch of extra tokens. Cards like Cathars crusade, Scute Swarm and Chrome Host Sea Shark come to mind.

  • @steaddie527
    @steaddie5274 ай бұрын

    I'm currently building an Inti, Seneschal of the Sun deck and 'The Celestus' seems like a serious consideration surprisingly, despite the terrible dreaded day/night

  • @Guitar_Guy85
    @Guitar_Guy854 ай бұрын

    I love listening to you guys having to adjust to the problems us pleebs who don't play online deal with constantly. Haha. I just might start watching game play videos now.

  • @jturn314
    @jturn3144 ай бұрын

    Another reason for more wraths in your decks is that everything has ward nowadays so even one mana targeted removal ends up costing three or four mana or whatever so why not just deal with everything with a wrath at near the same cmc

  • @VinegarAndSaltedFries
    @VinegarAndSaltedFries4 ай бұрын

    Genuinely I have cases of Ultimate Guard Katana’s I love shuffling because of them. Dragonshield is also nice but Katana’s are just so much smoother. Awesome sponsor and product

  • @Bleuchz
    @Bleuchz4 ай бұрын

    I am going to figure out a deck that forces opponents to shuffle and submit it to the next viewer deck battle now that clash is playing in paper >:)

  • @angusblankenstein99

    @angusblankenstein99

    3 ай бұрын

    I used to have a 60 card casual deck that did this. Soldier of Fortune, Cosi's Trickster, Psychogenic Probe, Psychic Surgery. Bad but fun

  • @zadocr675
    @zadocr6754 ай бұрын

    I think Farewell is necessary, especially when we get more cards with hexproof and/or indestructible or cards that grant those abilities to permanents

  • @robertfarris5550
    @robertfarris55504 ай бұрын

    what looting card is crim talking about instead of the celestus?

  • @michaelburt9888

    @michaelburt9888

    4 ай бұрын

    Sonic Screwdriver from the Doctor Who decks

  • @maciekwilkosz6377
    @maciekwilkosz63774 ай бұрын

    I have the same feelings about Farewell. Austere Command used to be a format staple. These does everything it did but better. In general there is way too much exile effects latały allowing less counterplay, hating on death triggers and graveyard synergies. You need answers, yes, but such catch all cards are toxic to play against.

  • @Daxelman
    @Daxelman4 ай бұрын

    I don't hate Farewell, I hate what it does to random pods. People rarely want to go another round (or even continue the current game) if that card comes out, especially ahead of curve. I think it's pretty cool, but everytime it's played it sort of just deflates the table in ways Cyclonic Rift doesn't.

  • @Proudfootzorz
    @Proudfootzorz4 ай бұрын

    I run a One Ring ONLY in my CEDH deck. I think it would make my other decks better, but I don't run Sol ring either so I'm trying to play casual.

  • @battlegrizz3687
    @battlegrizz36874 ай бұрын

    I have 6 non precon decks, all have a One Ring, Sol Ring, Mana Vault, Ancient Tomb, and 4 of 6 have Jeweled Lotus. Gotta have some fast mana

  • @Jlizard27

    @Jlizard27

    4 ай бұрын

    Not if the rest of your pod also agrees to not use it

  • @onefightone
    @onefightone4 ай бұрын

    Aw jeez it sure would be nice if there was some kinda stats episode for previous clash seasons so we could look and compare what cards people play...

  • @danielberens3195
    @danielberens31954 ай бұрын

    I would be so happy to have access to the complete videos, with all five hours of gameplay. More content is better!

  • @nosyamthegreat8768

    @nosyamthegreat8768

    3 ай бұрын

    Pls no🥲

  • @3gard0g-s7one2
    @3gard0g-s7one24 ай бұрын

    tomer needs a hug and reassurance about his hands

  • @T_Peazy
    @T_Peazy4 ай бұрын

    Seth, you don't have to play feed the swarm. It's the same as when we had to play unstable obelisk or the other colorless options. You just hate that it's thr best option and you're CHOOSING to play the best card in that slot.

  • @gaugeth
    @gaugeth4 ай бұрын

    Can confirm i run The One Ring in every single one of my decks, excluding precons.

  • @AtlasAdvice254
    @AtlasAdvice2544 ай бұрын

    I used to not be a fan of more than 1-2 wrath effects, until everything started having ward on it. Now to beast within, stroke of midnight, generous gift etc a commander it costs 5 mana. If you’re against a myurim deck for example, you may as well just board wipe and get rid of all the tokens they’ve shot out as well for that much mana

  • @greg6538
    @greg65383 ай бұрын

    Honestly, I don't run Feed the Swarm in most of my Bx decks. It's often the first cuts when I'm at 105/100.

  • @solomonaddariodavies8974
    @solomonaddariodavies89744 ай бұрын

    Richard saying « run 9 wraths to be less suspicious » cracked me up 😂

  • @theliving1037
    @theliving10372 ай бұрын

    Holy crap, i opened like 2 one rings when the set first came out. Didnt know it was so expensive

  • @mopanda81
    @mopanda814 ай бұрын

    honestly starting to enjoy things like river's rebuke that are a one player reset button but don't have to knock everyone else off tempo as a good "calm down" signal

  • @austinturgoose
    @austinturgoose4 ай бұрын

    I own two one rings and I won’t run it because I know no one else in my group has access to similar power level cards. We mostly play with jank we own

  • @keithbarlow858
    @keithbarlow8584 ай бұрын

    23:37 I've been saying the same thing for a while in regard to the Ring in modern. It's validating to hear another person make that point. The Ring lets tier 3 (or lower) decks compete, which is awesome IMO.Yes, the Ring is somewhat ubiquitous and obnoxious, but I think it ultimately promotes a more diverse format.

  • @techpriest8965
    @techpriest89654 ай бұрын

    Temple of the False God in my two Dimir decks. Funny, but I think it works out majority of the time but it only takes one game...

  • @MrMagdalore
    @MrMagdalore4 ай бұрын

    The number of board wipes you need to run is based on the three basic deck archetypes that have been around forever AGGRO (Phil) - Do the cool thing as fast as you can, ignore everyone else's cool thing and see who is cooler: 0 board wipes MID RANGE (Tomer and Seth) - Do a cooler thing a few turns later and pack some interaction incase someone goes off before you: 3-4 board wipes CONTROL (Richard) - Hide behind pillow forts and politics while continuously wiping the board until nobody wants to play Magic anymore then "win" the game with a bunch of birds: 10+ board wipes WILD CARD (Crim) - See Charlie Day from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia for more information: 0-100 board wipes

  • @SWAT6809

    @SWAT6809

    4 ай бұрын

    And then you run into another aggro deck thats faster and you get an autoloss because yo packed no wraths, gj

  • @delailama736
    @delailama7364 ай бұрын

    Obscuring Haze is probably the only one I can think of. I don't like free spells but I love fogs and it's a good one. It just feels dirty to ruin someone's big attacking turn with no mana up ready to respond.

  • @LuKo3x5066
    @LuKo3x50664 ай бұрын

    Except for the last three picks I agree with the whole list. Pro tip for day and night: rule zero that when there is nothing caring for the mechanics on the board, it is neither day nor night.

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