Cap & Ball Pocket Model Shoot out Remington vs Colt
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Today’s video is going to be a shoot out of the replica pocket models.
I’ll have an .31 caliber, Pietta, 1863 Remington pocket model going up against a .31 caliber, Uberti, 1849 pocket model.
It’s Pietta vs Uberti and Remington vs Colt. So, all the rivalries are covered.
Watch the video to learn which gun comes out on top.
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Great video Mike, as always! Here's a suggestion: if you bought a chronograph and tested all your cap and ball guns (15 grains vs maximum load for both velocity and energy), that would definitely be a treat for your viewers and would probably help you get new subscribers. I would be delighted to see that considering how many different huns you have. All the best from your faithful viewer from Poland!
@swedeson6188
8 ай бұрын
Yes, it would be great if Mike used a chronograph.
It’s great to see the smaller revolvers get some press. We just normally think of the big ones but as you point out it ain’t the truth.👍
Thanks Mike, did a similar test in the late 99's when a reenactor friend insisted his pocket remington was more accurate than my colt Almost identical results
I have both guns and the Colt is by far the superior shooter, if comparing the two. They are what they are and not really for distance shooting. I put a conversion cylinder on my Remington and the results were the same. It shot insanely high at 10 meters. They are nice to have in the collection, but I enjoy my colt 1851 a lot more. Thank Mr. Mike. Have a great day. Fall weather is the best.
@jason60chev
8 ай бұрын
I, too, have both and with the Remy conversion, experiencing similar results, but firing at 10 paces. Had the steel framed Remington nickel plated, this year, added faux "ivory" grips and have assembled a lined case, to go with my nickeled Navy Remington and a very nice nickeled repro double derringer.
@noapologizes2018
8 ай бұрын
@@jason60chev Sounds like you have a presentation box going on. I have an Uberti Paterson I picked up and was putting together a presentation box. I'm having issues finding the accessories. I am entertaining any suggestions from anyone that might help me find those accessories.
@jason60chev
8 ай бұрын
@@noapologizes2018 At this writing, Dixie Gunworks has: Single spout powder flask, brass bullet mould and loading tool showing In Stock. You might have to fashion a cleaning rod and a Ted Cash capper might suffice.
@morrismonet3554
8 ай бұрын
Many years ago, I took a Dremel to my 1849 Colt replica and cut a slot in the barrel and soldered in half a penny. Then filed it down to where it hits to point of aim. I have a steel frame Remy with a conversion cylinder that I have not done anything to the front sight yet. But it won't be nearly as crude when I do. LOL. I love the cute little .32 ammo I load for it.
@jason60chev
8 ай бұрын
@@morrismonet3554 I have an IDEAL handloading tool for the .32 S&W, as well as some others, that I use.
Good shootout, very informative. I have a San Marco 1849 Colt that is currently under repair (trigger spring) . This video has given me inspiration to get it finished!
I really enjoy the shootout videos, keep them coming. In addition i hope the shooter's den saga is progressing well...
@duelist1954
8 ай бұрын
I hope to do an update in a few weeks.
Good stuff, Mike. I inherited an original Remington. The cylinder no longer rotates when cocked. To the best of my knowledge, my father never fired it. Not sure what broke or wore.
@coltonregal1797
8 ай бұрын
Probably a broken hand spring.
@RiderOftheNorth1968
8 ай бұрын
@@coltonregal1797 True. Most likely the hand spring. Those little guys are not the most sturdy there is.
Good video. The 31cal pocket revolvers are an interesting weapon. Back in the late 70's I was contracted to do restoration and preservation of the firearms for a university's museum. This took a year to complete. I worked on everything from matchlocks to M1 rifles. Many percussion revolvers, including a pair of Patterson Colt, and many others. There were about a dozen 31cal pocket revolvers among the collection. I was intrigued by them. A few were in rough shape, but there was one that was almost mint condition! Complete with ivory grips! Main issues with some were broken bolt/trigger springs. Being quite small and thin, that was the Achilles heel for those revolvers. I've owned a 1973 production ASM Wells Fargo model 3" that I bought new. I was a peace officer, concurrently with operating a gunsmith business. I would occasionally carry that little Wells Fargo model as an off duty weapon, for the nostalgia of it. And I certainly didn't feel unarmed either. They do more damage than one might expect.😬 And I vividly remember my great uncle, who began teaching me about weapons and shooting when I was a boy in 1958. He told me that his father carried a brace of 1851 Colt Navy revolvers. My great grandfather was to have remarked many times "Aim for the beltbuckle, and you'll win the fight." Thanks for the information video.
Pocket guns then and now are accurate enough. Thanks for the interesting video.
And again you give us an interesting look into the past. Great job, Mike. I first saw a Colt pocket years ago and it clicked. I still have not got one, but I am drawn to them. I am a Colt fan, but can appreciate the Remington also. Keep up the good work and see you when you are ready.
Very well done, and I have to say I prefer the colt over my Remington pocket. I especially do not like the frail nature of the loading lever linkage on the remuneration, I have to braze mine back together, been broken for a while now.
Great videos Mike. I always like seeing everything you do.
Thanks Mike, I do appreciate your videos. They are not only enjoyable but educational as well.
Great Video, Mike! I, too, have both and with the Remy conversion, experiencing similar results, but firing at 10 paces. Had the steel framed Remington nickel plated, this year, added faux "ivory" grips and have assembled a lined case, to go with my nickeled Navy Remington and a very nice nickeled repro double derringer.
Now THIS is one I always wanted to see. Thanks Mike. PS: You really need to try that OTHER high capacity capper from Poland. Its called "Gold capper". It has the same applying mechanism as the traditional stick cappers, therefore it works reliably. And it fits unmodified Remingtons.
Nice shoot out with 2 of the darlings of BP pocket carry! 👍👍
Hey Mike, a tip for you. Instead of smearing the lube over the chambers with a knife, (messy) if you use a slightly stiffer mixture of lube (SPG works as is) by adding a little more wax, you can scrape the lube up with a pop-cycle stick, and roll it into a small ball. I call them "lube pills". Put them in a cap-tin, and then when loading just grab a "pill" and press it over the ball/chamber. Trial and error will tell you how large or small to make the pills. Way faster and less messy than smearing lube with a knife blade. Very nice if you carry your pistols in the field, as I do when hunting, hiking/trekking. Try it you like it.
@ledagreen9896
8 ай бұрын
Blackie and I also made a bullet butter that can be used for this lube
Keep ‘em coming, Mike!
Yup they all shoot high. That’s why I’ve machined dovetails and installed my own front sights on the cap and ball revolvers I like to shoot most often.
Great video, thanks Mike. I know you have mentioned the sales figures before, but it was great to be reminded how many Colt Pocket models were made.
Cartridge conversions in those would be fun!
I owned a Palmetto-imported Remington Pocket from 2001 that also shot about 2 ft high like yours.....whereas my 2020 Uberti 1849 Pocket is a nice 6oclock hold. I sold my Remington last year to another guy getting into the hobby, informing him about the sight situation. I much prefer the Colt in these Pocket models...which is how it seemed for you here, too.
I have hard-to-find Lyman loading data for 4Fg powder in these tots. It's not recommended anymore. Use at your own risk. But from the published data versus 3Fg it seems to make more velocity. To me it stands to reason that faster burning black would be best with these short barrels.
Fair example between both weapons!
That was fun, Mike! 👍 I look my wife’s Airweight J-frame, then imagine she’d be carrying one of these if we lived in the mid 19th century.
Good insightful test video, Mike! I like the Pietta 1863 Pocket Remington, it is an awesome well made product. I am in the process of developing a solid stepped, healed Wadcutter for the Pietta Pocket Remington and the Uberti Pocket 31 caliber Colts. Which will offer the responsibile user the ultimate power factors in the 31 caliber especially for Trappers. Custom made molds will be available in the coming months.
Great video Mike I didn't realize how I'm accurate those guns were until you made the video I've never shot one so I didn't know but thank you for making the video and opening my eyes to it
Another great video Mike. I follow Blackie and he does have a great channel. I also watch Dustin. I appreciate how informative your videos always are. Have a great one.
This is the video that has convinced me to keep my pocket model, thanks!!!
I had a Colt 1849 by Pietta that was so rough I could barly cock it. Also had a steel framed Remington that was shootrable, but I never did. Love the look of both pistols! I really enjoy these shoot-out videos, Mike.
Holy Cow were those shooting high! I think you said it right, "Aim for the knees." All in all those two are kinda cute and would sure be fun to play with. Keep up the good work.
I like both guns, I just wish that Kirst made a conversion for the Colt. I know you can get a conversion cylinder for the Remington.
@AtomHeartMother68
8 ай бұрын
I've got the R&D cylinder for mine in 32 s&w. It's great fun. The cylinder wedge on mine pops out with finger pressure so it's super easy to reload.
Great vide I have the Remington pocket model.. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I like the shootout comparison videos.
A very good and fun video Mike and I Thank You Kindly! I hope you are doing well and recovering back to normal. Looking forward to our Duelist Den Father on the range again soon! Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Great video Mike seems like the guns of the West Capper is the only one I can use on my 62 pocket police
just come back from the range with my pietta .36 cap an ball had wound up with the wrong ball size used a wad and bore butter ...but now found the right ones .375 hornady what a fun gun to use now love your videos
Glad to see ya back! I got hooked on C&B revolvers a few years ago after watching one of your videos!!!
Thanks Mike! Keep it up man. I have a colt root 28 cal that I really like and if you see one of them I'd like to see it in one of these videos!
I like the shootout videos. Keep them coming.
Another fine video. Good luck with your "Return to Duelist's Den". Hmmmm, sounds like a good title, when that fine day comes.
Gr8 content for two awesome pocket models!
Great video Mike. Love it. I wanna say that even I like more Remi. This time Colt is better
Good video Mike, as always.These remind me of the gun Bat Masterson / Gene Barry carried In the series.
always enjoy your videos. thank you .
Thank you Mike for your help with my Colt single action revolver clone front sight adjustment. I took your advice and bent the front sight, now the windage is right on thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
Love the comparisons!
Great video Mike!!!
I liked the video a lot. It gives us the practical accuracy and shoot-ability. Keep up the good work
Another great video...thanks Mike.
Really like the video Mike. Good seeing recommdations, been following both for a long time.
Great shooting sir !
Enjoyed the comparison. Really want that remington regardless of its competitor inching it out.
Great video, definitely prefer your shooting videos.
That was fun great video as always thank you 🤠
Thanks again for another great comparison video. I really appreciate all the work you put into these videos!
I recently bought an Uberti Colt pocket. It has a terrible timing issue. Was going to return it but a friend told me this is common? Did you find this on yours Mike? Great shooting and video.
@duelist1954
8 ай бұрын
Every Uberti Pocket model I've used was prone to over-rotate the cylinder. Luckily, that is easily fixed.
Love it Mike! A great video with two very interesting pocket pistols. I have a CVS so called Wells Fargo with no loading lever. It’s brass framed but what a very comfortable little pistol. I bought it at my clubs fall gun show and it was in bad shape. But very satisfying to restore. Thank You Mike! I always look forward to your videos where I’ve learned a great many things. And having a Love for history, well you come through so very well with that! Peace, Joy and a Great 2024! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania. By the way our range club here is: Southern Lancaster County Farmers and Sportsman Association. We have a spring and fall gun show.
Great video Mike, as always!
Love all the content on your channel, keep up the good work.
Enjoyed it thanks Mike
Looks great. Thanks
Thanks for another great video Mike, the shootout videos are always interesting!
Great video as always.
Good vid Mike. Looking forward to you returning to make some new videos.
Good to see a new video from you. Excellent work.
love the channel and all the fine videos .
Good stuff Mike!
Thank you Mike
As usual, very well done thanks much.
Thanks Mike.
I'm always happy to watch your videos. Great job.
Thanks for vid Mike, another educational gem
Great video. Thanks.
Very straight forward comparison. Thanks Mike.
Thanks ! Exceptionally interesting 😎👍
That was a fun watch!
Try shooting heavier conicals and reduce the powder charge a little bit. That'll put you right on point of aim.
another enjoyable presentation , cheers big ears from down under
Thanks Mike!
Good video Mike
Great video love to see you do it at 10 yards i lije Remington better it just looks better
ive had both remington and colt 44 size pistols... no one ever talks about the cylinder rotation notches.... those are the grooves on the back of the cylinder that the paw engages to move the cylinder to the next shot. colt had a lot beefier notches: the remington's were shallow and weak looking. i liked much more how the remington cylinder was removed and the fact the rear site was stationary, but the colt felt better in the hand and was easier to clean. i now wonder about these two 31 cal pistols and how well they are built. the remington seems a little more easily concealed but im betting the colt was better made... imo. you didnt mention trigger pull, loading issues, spent cap trouble, or cylinder to barrel gap.
great video sir thank you for the shoutout ..safe journeys
Thank you for your videos.
Nice shootout comparison vid. Concealed Carry Old West style, I like it. Where's my kydex AIWB holster, the red dot sight, the under-barrel weapon light? Hmmm hang a lantern on it for the light? PS Nice shoutouts to your fellow guntubers, glad to see the solidarity within the youtube blackpowder community.
I always likes thebcopt pocket model, but that. Remington seems pretty nifty. I'd still go with the colt.
I bought a .44 Remington back in 1974. It was used and the previous owner had brazed the front sight higher and did some internal work. That gun was super accurate but had a very light trigger. I had to watch touching the trigger when I was shooting it. Still have it and shoot it. It has bone grips and was antiqued. I wonder if you had the front sight raised if you could make it more accurate.
thank you.
I enjoy your videos and seldom miss one.
Thanks
Great video!!!I would love to see a rematch using the 31 cal eras gone conical. My colt 49 pocket shoots better with conical bullets then round ball. I wonder if thats true with the replicas being they dont have Progressive rifling. I love blackies gun butter. Blackie told me of a way to use that lube, that has completely changed the way i use lube in cap and ball revolvers. Instead of putting lube over the chambers. dip a brass barrel brush in that gun butter and run it through the barrel between every 3 or so cylinders. It works Astonishingly well. I Notice I get better grouping doing it this way.
@louisianagray8618
8 ай бұрын
Yeah that's what I do Snapper I run the lube down the barrel don't even put it on the end of the cylinder anymore
@snappers_antique_firearms
8 ай бұрын
@louisianagray8618 Yeah, I find it to be a much better way of doing it. I don't think I will ever go back to lube over the chambers.
Good video, thank you.
i just wish the pocket remmys had a trigger guard or they at least made a proper navy model frame remmy
I liked it very much.
Mike, thanks so much for your videos. They're great and real entertaining. Your attention to detail and the amount of info is so very cool. I wish I lived close, I'd try to horn in some shooting with you. A little "Pancho and Lefty" if we did. Ha.
Great video. You forgot to mention how much powder in both pistols. Also I wish to see the same video using .32cal S&W ammo in black powder. Please...Thanks Mike. Keep your powder dry.
@duelist1954
8 ай бұрын
12 grains of 4Fg
Awesome video
Great interesting vid here! I have a Pietta Remmy .31 in nickel (I like to use the wads instead of grease) and one in steel frame that I converted to fire .32 shorts. Super fun pistols. Like the Colt style too just haven't gotten around to buying one so far. Merry Christmas Mike!
Good stuff. I need a pocket gun to go with my 36 and 44 guns.