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@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Don't miss THIS! 👉kzread.info/dash/bejne/h42hzLCpk9LdhtY.html

As a climber that only occasionally dabbles in canyons to enjoy the desert, ya'll just MELTED MY BRAIN on the last 4 vids I watched. I never knew our sports could be THAT different. and yes, I rappel with an atc. so much to learn. thanks for dropping the big knowledge 👍

this is great as a military canyoning instructed there has been a lot of changes in the industry love your Ch love that you have added canyoning

This is great! As a caver who wants to explore the daylight canyons this is great advice. Thanks guys for the hard work.

Oh great. I always wondered about rappelling and canyoneering. By the end of the video, my head is spinning. Glad there is a detailed course coming up.

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

The textbook is really helpful to help make sense of the thought process

very interesting and good to see. a lot of this wasn’t in “Down”, so it’s good to see other methods that don’t look too hard to figure out

Good video. I love these type of videos. I am glad you are expanding to other rope techniques.

The double rope system is almost exactly what is used in most tree climbing although instead of a belay device we use a prusik with a micro pully below it which can be used for ascending and decending

Fantastic, I have been waiting for this series to start. Thank you for your time making these videos. Love it.

Very cool video. This series is going to have a positive impact in the canyoneering communities. Some notes to have in mind.... It is important to recognize that "Ease of rigging" is a subjective category. What is "hard" for some, it may be "easy" for someone else. It is a matter of practice and use. Ease of rigging: Subjective Efficiency: Objective Abrasion: Objective Rig for rescue: Objective It is important to name systems by its names: First system shown: Fixed line Second system shown: Tails-up-toggle I think, there should be another category: Rope recovery risk mitigation This category is really important in areas with natural anchors, or sub-standard bolting practices: Low far back bolts that result in rope-rock abrasion, where the selection of rigging, or the conversion for last person (more aspects of efficiency) is important to avoid getting your rope stuck, get a core shot, or scar the rock.

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Very wise as always, Adolfo. I can't wait to come down and do a Southwest perspective with you.

@AdolfoIsassi

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitewaterpirate - Cool!

Ahh yes, this video helped explain or at least hint why 80% of climbing accidents happen while repelling. We weren’t using the correct system. Great video and definitely wondering if these have any application when repelling from a pitch

stoked about this series!

Thanks fellas. Good information and love the chemistry between you two.

Love all the content, thank you for continuing to make both educational and entertaining content!

This was awesome! Thanks for sharing the knowledge Can’t wait for rest of coursette

looks like a great series...looking forward to the rest.

Canyoning is so much FUN!! Thank you for branching out 😜👊🏼👊🏼

This is awesome I'm getting ready for the subway at zion.

Amazing, thanks a lot for all the in-depth content

Really interesting video, I'm a pretty experienced cave in the UK and have worked at outdoor adventure centres as well as rescue work so was expecting some cross over to how we do things, but this is all very alien to me. I am curious as to why you use figure8s to repel rarther than a bobbin style or a Rig/ID. If we wanted a releasable system we would rig Y hang and then use an ID at the top. Very simple and very strong.

Love it! Keep up the great work!

Lest goo i have been waiting for this

Yes keep it coming!!! Thank you 🙏🏻 🙌🏻💪🏻😎

Wahoo! Thanks for the entertainment and knowledge Ryan and friends.

Love the canyon vids!

thanks for your efforts to get this info out there!

Hey, I just bought both those shirts!! Love the content, as always. Thank you

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

Thanks for this video, really interesting

Thanks for all your videos

Very cool Ryan! Great video, excellent content and promo for the whole series! And, your editing skills and the jump cuts (or whatever you call them) are really fantastic. They made the video just perfect. I wasn’t sure if I heard you say the canyon series content was going to be free or not, but regardless, I can’t wait to “dive” in to it.

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. All of our content is free, but I'm releasing it slowly over the next few weeks, that's all. Our textbook has most everything in it and that can be seen now, link in description

Would love to see an in-depth video of the use of each of these riggings. Awesome video!!

Cant wait for the videos or arborist equipment!

Welcome back 🤙🏻

hard click for hownot2! Love errythang

love it thanks

Yay canyoneering, finally!!

Thanks Ryan!!!!

"grab the glacier black to try to get sponsored" 🤣 the pivot is a great tool!!

Thank you too much.... these are great videos!!!!

Thanks!

First! Love your content guys. Keep it up!

Interesting!

Easiest way to rescue on a double rope that's not lowerable or releasable is with a Valdotain tresse, but only in canyons were the rope is wet!

I am used to rescue meaning up, not down. Messes with my brain. So if a setup is good for rescue it means that a 5 to 1 is either easy to set up or already in the system.

I love this course, but I just noticed there are only 9 videos on the playlist, it seems to skip from 8 to 10. Where is video 9?

The best thing I learned in canyoning... always bring a valdotain cordelete.

If you're worried about abrasion at one location is there devices you could use to stop abrasion? A removable tube perhaps?

And that device is the figure 8 woooo

Is Lorenzo and Dalton doing ok after the accident last month? sending them good vibes!

Hi! Great videos! Great info as always... just a question... what about rigging with the totem device?... You could cover all these variables just with one -very easy to use- device 😎

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

6th video covers all these techniques with a single device and we discuss it can be done with any of them even though we use the Palikoa Pivot but it's clear it applies to any mirrored device.

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, we get into that. The totem is an excellent tool at the anchor. I have a Phoenix and CRT Ti as well.

So with class c canyons I've always liked single stand since double strands can tangle in the water flow. Is there a good way to prevent tangling of multiple lines if rapping directly in the flow? Thanks

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Good question. This is one of the times I would absolutely use a Single Releasable system if the flow is that significant. If I was the last person, I would toss the rope bag with the retriavable strand in it as soon as I can. That way a team mate below can manage that strand and keep it clear of my rappel so I can enjoy the flow without hassle. Savvy?

No I like all things climbing. Skills transfer between disciplines .

Hey ryan can we get a video of you wearing your canyon corset???

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

I have one for him. I think the more comments on this, the more likely he will wear it. 😁

Near 16:10 there is a piece of oval hardware with two slots and two holes hanging between/below two carabiners over your shoulder. What is that?

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Camp OVO. Kong GiGi is the same.

Nothing like being lead on belay on rappell going “ chirping lower, lower lower fuckit” and going for the rip

Its funny as a tree climber to see what you guys use for moving rope systems lol.

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

I really want to spend some more time with arborist systems. I found an interesting article about the re-naming of your systems.

@lordaleksandre

2 жыл бұрын

None of these are moving rope systems, unless I missed something.

@lordaleksandre

2 жыл бұрын

Spoke too soon, shows up at 21:30

why isn’t this an ice screw break test?

666th Like. That's a good sign for this weekend.

Fiddle stick so scary

I just need a way to say this: there are a few private rope makers in the world now. What if the gear-makers go missing, because they cant get designers to 3D print parts from glue they can get from 3M or DuPont or Michaels. Gotta love that hair-die and belly-ache. One more thing: I'm too old to climb. I'm a musician and dancer who damaged everything I have and just refuse to give up. I've climbed enough things. I just want to see if I have any friends left.

You should iterate if the terms "double" and "twin" refer to ropes by the same name or not. I think I know the answer to this but others certainly will make an assumption

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Double simply means one person using both strands. A Twin system is each strand capable of supporting a person on rappel. A Twin system can be used Double. Its the ol' "a square(Twin) is a rectangle(Double) but a rectangle(Double) is not a square(Twin)" scenario. 🤯

@dragade101

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitewaterpirate yes but there is someone who will think its referring to rope types.

Question: instead of the anchor going into the wall, why don’t all of these ropes have their anchor able to be lowered? It seems like only the last 2 examples do this. Question 2: the ability to rescue off the main rope is good and all but why wouldn’t you just always have a separate retrievable rescue line ready to go in every case? Is it too time consuming? I thought this was mandatory practice. Question 3: why are none of these systems rated with the ability of the climber to descend wearing their own rope bag with the tail inside? I understand some really don’t apply this way but is it too far out of the scope of this video? There seem to be benefits to this especially if you are moving laterally and can’t afford your tail to be dragged across the bottom and maybe get pinched in between a rock or something out of sight way below you. I’ve also seen ropes accidentally get half hitched around roots or branches by themselves. Question 4: Why not rate the rope systems showcasing which ropes can be ascended back up on in case a rescuer cannot lower you? One of the main advantages of being the only climber on your line is that you can use the hip thrust or leg lock technique if you dropped your foot/knee ascender or forgot to pack it down with you. And even if you brought the ascender with you you still really ought to have an artificial friction bend as well which can’t really be used with multiple climbers in the line.

Wow. Great stuff as usual, but I started tearing out hair and yelling at the screen when you got to the... double static(?)... the standard climber set-up. Rescue? Haven't you guys heard of down-prussiking? Prussiking is the go-to method for climber rescue anyway, since climbers often operate in pairs. Also - of course you can send two people down at once - climbers do this all the time, even with weight differences.

@conanpiggott9465

2 жыл бұрын

The issue is if one gets stuck, makes a mistake ect, they both wear the price.

@simold13

2 жыл бұрын

Typically, we connect climbers together to avoid that - but it's not always possible, it's true.

@simold13

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, it's an advantage if one gets stuck, because they have someone else there to help them.

The first twin system he showed seems easy but man a lot of those systems are just over complicated. Why wouldnt you just figure eight the middle clip it to the belay point. They you have a twin system for speed and once done id just do a traditional rappell and pull the rope down.

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

Because you can't release the rope if someone gets stuck on rappel in the middle of a water fall and unless you pre-threaded the rope through the rappel rings, you would have to pull the entire rope back up to reset it. Also, many times in a canyon you are only rappelling 10-20%% of the length of the rope and you don't want to pull the entire thing out.

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

I like where your head is at. You are getting it. I would offer... What type of system did you just describe? What are the limitations of that system? What are possible situations that you would not want to do that type? This is exactly why I made the categories and put my thought in the text book. There is no perfect system for every situation.

This video is perfect to let people head out canyoneering and hurt themselves.😂

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for bring this up! Please check out the supporting textbook before attempting any of these systems. At least view this first! ---👉 kzread.info/dash/bejne/h42hzLCpk9LdhtY.html

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

We believe more information is better. With this 10 video course and 48 page textbook, plus the V7 course we recommend will better prepare people who go with people who know what they are doing.

You guys never touched on the guided rap that all the 3rd world countries use for their tours. What does that fall under? Single, static, compound with a belay? I know it's a silly technique that most people won't use when they are in a canyon. But that's what most people who are on a tour will see.

Those of you that wonder what is like working with Ryan Jenks just watch this... I think you'll know who's who 😂kzread.info/dash/bejne/ap6BssmvkbK-eJs.html

@HowNOT2

2 жыл бұрын

What did I just watch??? 😂

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

@@HowNOT2 That's what some people are thinking about this. 🤣

Thanks!

The best thing I learned in canyoning... always bring a valdotain cordelete.

@whitewaterpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Did you see the VT video? ==> kzread.info/dash/bejne/pa6Yl9epo9rIhrQ.html

@gustavobroglio5873

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitewaterpirate watching now

Thanks!

Thanks!