Anyone thinking of getting (or already got) the Sony A7SIII? Did anyone get an R5 or R6?

@thelensmanphotography

3 жыл бұрын

Got the R5 and have been shooting with it for about three weeks. I am very impressed with the AF, DR, frame rate, buffer, IBIS, etc. I cant say enough good things about it and cant believe how fast it is especially at 45MP with low light performance being excellent.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Kurt Scherbaum awesome to hear! What lenses are you using with it?

@thelensmanphotography

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography RF 15-35 2.8, EF 100 2.8 Macro, EF 600 II. EF 100-400II, EF 70-200III, EF 11-24. The EF lenses focus really fast and work well but I love the RF 15-35 - so sharp edge to edge.

@drbeardo6960

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography Please pon above comment So that more people can find n reply...

@drbeardo6960

3 жыл бұрын

R6 for me...

Bonjour Adrian Dommage que vous ne publiez plus de contenu.

I’ve just discovered your channel and hope that you will start some new videos 2 years later. I’m sure you have so much more to share I’m so sorry you have found this platform full of hateful comments- I don’t know why people who are likely very good people feel it is ok to be disrespectful on a platform like this (or others) when they would likely not be so rude if we were all meeting face to face. Respect seems to be thin when you are able to be anonymous- please don’t be discouraged as there are so many who think your content is helpful

Only just found your channel and I hope that you are well as I've noticed that you haven't posted anything for awhile. Really enjoyed the videos of yours I've watched so thanks for those.

Yes, this work deserves attention !!! I really liked it. You have a lot of cool work on your channel that I'm interested in!

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Watching this video again with the release of the Sony Alpha 1 in mind. Lots of good insights (except for how soon the release would come ... assuming the A1 is what we thought would be the a9III ... just kidding!). Looking forward to your thoughts on the A1.

Hi Adrian, Thanks for another informative video. In your last video on A7R4, you helped me make my decision to buy the A7R4 and I love it. Thank you! To me, it’s a big improvement over the A73 which I sold to get the A7R4. I agree that in the field/on the job, you need at least two bodies so that you don’t miss out on any shots due to swapping lenses and/or some technical glitch. I’m a hybrid shooter so I’m also looking at the A7S3 but will wait 2-3mos to see real world tests from users instead of influencers. As far as those fans being brand loyalty, I think it’s their investments made that makes them emotional and doesn’t allow for objectivity. I’ve abandon that awhile ago and focused on what results I need for my work, what fits my shooting style, and if it works within my budget (and that doesn’t mean being frugal). As for camera manufacturers, I think each one has their strategy that allows them to have their respective market share, but more scary is their stubbornness to live and die by their sword. Panasonic with the contrast base DFD, Sony with their ergonomics, menu system, low resolution LCD, slow buffering, etc; Canon with their crippling habits, etc. But as you said well, the new R5/6 and A7S3 are indicative of what will come in the future for us. I think a couple pressure points that we did not see as consumers, but these companies had to deal with were: 1) Summer Olympics 2020, which pushed out to 2021 but a lot of designs were probably decided in 2018 (assuming design cycles are 2yrs); and 2) Supply Chain disruption due to Covid-19 made it hard to navigate and I am sure compromises were made along the way. Hopefully in the coming 1-2yrs, we can get back to a new normal and that the new tech will be used for the new bodies as you had mentioned in the video and we can enjoy the sweat equity that was put behind the scenes. Which new cameras are you looking forward too, A7R5, A74, A93?

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Nomad 24 thanks for watching. I appreciate your thoughts on the brand loyalty and the tendencies of the manufacturers. You’re right on both accounts. It’s great to hear you’re loving your A7R4. It is amazing to shoot with that resolution if you can handle the downsides of the camera. I am actually very tempted by the A7SIII for video but I think I would be unlikely to take it into the field for wildlife photography. If I did I would have to sacrifice bringing another one of my bodies and that would be a big cost. If the A7SIII had some other features like false color I would be more enthused. I don’t really have much use for the A7 cameras but the A7RV and the A93 would be interesting depending on which direction they take these cameras in. One thing we have to wonder about is whether the camera lines will diverge more or whether they will converge. Right now if we look at mirrorless flagships, Canon has one, the R5, and their approach has been to try to make it a jack of all trades. Sony’s approach is to have more specific products such as the A9 for action, the A7R for resolution, the A7S for video. Many wildlife photographers looking at Sony are torn between buying the A9II or the A7RIV and it will be interesting to see whether that decision becomes easier or harder. For example, the A9III could get more resolution and the A7RIV could potentially become more usable for action. I basically only have an A9II because there are times when I know the A7RIV can’t handle the action. Perhaps in the future, for what I do, I might not need an A9 at all. But that’s a big maybe. I also use it for shooting events and portraits so it has other uses for me but for what I do in wildlife photography, I could potentially lose it if the A7RV was more action capable. Of course, they might continue to push in the direction they’ve been going and go even crazier with the resolution which would be interesting... Thanks for chiming in. Stay safe.

I am a beginner thinking of getting A7iii vs A7riii vs A9 with the Sony 16-35, Sigma 24-70, Sony 70-200, Sony 200-600 for family pictures, sport and wildlife? Which camera and len should I get first?

Thanks for your insights about the new photographic equipment. I will likely wait until Sony introduces the more powerful processors in newer versions of the AR series. I like the R5 but patience might be more prudent.

@u107916

3 жыл бұрын

That's not a bad idea, but I'm thinking Sony will need to redevelop their A9-line and skip a generation to fully get back out front. The resolution is a big deal and something tells me that throws a monkey wrench in the line differentiation. But we are talking about Sony... they may cannibalize the A7R sales to keep up. We'll see.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Mike Jackson one possibility is that they go nuts on the resolution and bump both the A9 and the A7R lines up. Say A9 at 42 MP and A7R at 80 or 100 MP. A crazy thought when 60 MP is already a lot for some people to deal with. But it would keep the differentiation.

@u107916

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography , That was my initial thought, but I'm not sure their 100 MP tech is mature enough for this generation. My estimation is that your suggestion is a likely direction for the generation after. We'll see. I do believe a 45+ MP A9 is well within their capability, the question is just how much do they try to protect the A7R sales? Also with it now being the official AP camera, massive MP's isn't well received by the photogs sending files wirelessly. Either way, I do think their answer we be very intriguing. Interesting times ahead, great time to be an enthusiast.

CF epress type A is probably the best upgrade possible from SD cards, as the slots can take both cards. Let's see what is up next for wildlife photography from Sony.

Talk of the devil, I was just about to look for you to get your take on the R5 and the upcoming new Sony offerings. Great video as usual, Adrian! I have been MIA for a while as I have been monitoring the R5 overheating saga for the past few weeks. So, we have already seen the R5 animal eye tracking in a number of KZread reviews of what it can do, although not in any great detail just yet. But, the definitive review in the context of bird photography is coming as Mark Smith has already requested a copy of the R5 from B&H and he will put it through its paces against his A7R IV which like you is also his main camera. Based on my observation to date including Jared Polin's latest video last night on human eye AF between the R5, A7R IV and the Z7, it really does seem like Canon has now surpassed Sony. I even downloaded the jpegs from Jared's test and looked at them more closely before I tried to conclude on the status quo of eye AF in general between Canon and Sony. It seems to me Canon can acquire the target from farther away than Sony. It is not just in terms of the overlay because the pictures actually back it up. It now has a higher hit rate than the Sony probably because as you have mentioned the higher number of focusing points on the R5's sensor as well as the power of the Digic X chip. However, it is also true the R5 overheats disregard whether it is a genuine overheating of the hardware or brought about by self-imposed limits of the firmware. Even as a 90% stills and 10% video hybrid shooter, that to me is a deal breaker. The idea of paying close to US$4K for a supposedly top-of-the-range pro body that overheats just doesn't fly with me somehow. LOL. So, I am just curious how do you see it? I presume you are already dug in with Sony given the amount of investment you have put in to date with all the lenses. So, last night was the first time I dipped my toes into some Sony research and see what rumours are there out there. I found one which is pretty interesting, bear in mind this particular rumour probably came out way early and therefore could be massively out of date or over-speculative. I read that it is believed the A7R V might come out earlier now in response to the launch of the R5. The timeline that has been mentioned is before the end of 2020 or early 2021. They also talked about a new 102 MP sensor and of course the new Bionz XR chip that is in the A7S III. So, being the Sony expert that you are, did you hear about this? That got me thinking, if I don't need to upgrade immediately, may be it might make more sense and see what Sony's plans are first with the A7R V or even the A9 III.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Alex Fu good to hear from you. I have heard this A7RV 100 MP sensor rumour but I did not believe it. I think so many people are already having some difficulty dealing with 60 MP and 100 MP would make the camera so specialised that it would really reduce potential sales. I think the A7RIV is amazing with its resolution but you really have to know how to deal with the camera and it is even harder if you don’t have bigger aperture lenses which not everyone can afford or want to carry. Could you imagine 100 MP with the possibility that the buffer is even quicker to fill up and slower to clear than the A7RIV? That would be tough. It is interesting to theorise the maximum that we might dare to go with full-frame. If you look at the Canon EOS M6 II which has a 32 MP APS-C sensor and extrapolate it out to full-frame, you arrive at something in the order or 80 MP or so. There has also been a rumour that perhaps Canon is working on such a camera. 100 MP is even crazier. I tested the GFX100 which has 100 MP on the larger format (mini medium format) sensor which has similar pixel density to the A7RIV and the camera was definitely pretty slow and unresponsive and slower to even just view the files in editing. Regarding the overheating with the R5, it seems that if you don’t care at all about video then you can be OK with the camera. The surprising thing is that it seems that even if you shoot stills, it generates enough heat that as soon as you go to shoot some hi-res video you may be unable to shoot even one minute. At least this is what I read. In my previous video about the R5 I said I think the R5 looks great and especially if you will only have one body (and you don’t want to shoot much video let alone high-resolution video). Sony’s approach is more about having highly specialised cameras like the A9, A7R, and A7S cameras. Since I have the A7RIV and the A9II I have both extremes and it works for me. I would never go into the field with only camera anyway as I always want to have backup bodies and because I shoot primes and don’t want to be changing lenses in the field I will always have one body per lens anyway. There’s no doubt with the strong AF and subject detection in the R5 and R6 coupled with the really affordable f11 lenses that the R5 and R6 will make it possible for more people to enjoy wildlife photography. Even experienced shooters will be able to capture (or more easily capture) shots they might have otherwise missed. I think that’s a good thing. While I personally would like to see better animal eye AF in the Sony cameras, I don’t rely on it so much that not having it makes a big difference to me. I’m certainly invested in Sony and I personally prefer having multiple tools that are stronger, more specific solutions to problems than having one tool that tries to be a swiss army knife but doesn’t necessarily do every one of those things extremely well. This is not a knock on Canon or the R5 and R6. Canon and Sony are just pursuing different approaches to how their map products to solving the needs of photographers. I personally prefer Sony’s approach.

I'll be holding onto my Sony gear, but I think the R5 will be impressive for Canon users. It may be a slight step ahead of Sony, but give Sony a chance with the next models for which I'm sure the A9iii will rise to the occasion. After all, they've had these features for some time :)

sony a7siii may be a good for wildlife in low light where the activity is the best, using topaz gigapixel increase the size without softness., I heard the AF is almost as good as the a9

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Efrain. Yes I think the new processor enables the AF in the A7SIII to be very good. I think Gigapixel can be useful but it has its limits. There’s still no substitute for real captured detail.

Hi Adrian, Being experienced in Sony system for a while and now being R5 is out, I would like to hear a comparison b/w two, which might help me in deciding b/w these two camera/brands as future proof. I'm ready to move into the mirrorless full frame from Nikon ecosystem that I had for a while. Since I made the decision to buy a new gear at first I bought the Nikon Z6 inorder to use my existing glasses with it. But I hated the autofocus system in the Z system. Since in this era with all these advances and known from the reviews I read about Sony's eye AF system, when I compared it to the Nikon Z6 that I had for short while and i figured out that in order to get my kids who are always in fast pace, I cannot rely on Nikon's eye auto focus feature and still needs to rely on its old dynamic AF like in DSLR time, which was not really acceptable in this era. So, I returned the camera and thought about moving to Sony a7Riv or Canon due to the arrival of R5. I’m debating b/w a7r4 vs r5. The only thing I don’t like about the a7r4 is the lack of touch screen, articulated screen, top LCD, which you have mentioned in your video that you are depending on LCD/EVF and lack of multiple raw formats (believe r5 has different raw sizes to choose?), which are all in r5 with I believe almost close to Sony in eye tracking too. But glasses for r5 are ridiculously prized and as you said prime lenses are larger than sony. Being a7s3 announced with all these features. But sensor wise and dynamic range and future af advancement Sony might be the way to go as future proof. I also read in a forum somewhere that even though the r5 has amazing eye tracking, the focus square that they built into the r5 is bigger than that in Sony, which I have noticed your video as well that the eye AF boxes are much smaller in your review of a7R4 compared to R5 video. So, there is more chance to focus eyelash over iris, whereas Sony’s is a smaller point/eye AF square that acquire more precisely the iris, did you happen to hear something in this line? Another key issue that I heard is that R5 struggles in face detection through obstacles, whereas Sony started using AI to avoid that problem. Sony has been the first that have worked on this by using AI to track an individual even when there are obstacles around. So at present my thoughts are even if a7riv is lack of touch screen and all sort of good stuff, If it has a very good eye tracking/autofocus that are comparable to R5, I would invest in it and might be in 2022 or so when next camera comes into the market in a7R series, I’m pretty sure like in a7s3 all these goodies will be implemented in sony “R” line up. experience what z your thoughts? All I’m trying to gather is some information in order to invest into an ecosystem with future proof, so that I don’t have to jump to another camera. Any thoughts on these decision making would be really helpful and really appreciate it. Your review and tips/ tricks about photography is valuable for photography community, thanks again.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Till. Thanks for watching and for your comment. Unfortunately it is very hard to get hold of an R5 right now so I don’t know when I will actually be able to try one out. I do think, from everything I’ve been hearing, that the R5 looks great and that the AF and the animal eye (and I assume also the human eye) detection is very good. For me, the lenses matter a lot and I do not see any RF primes lenses that I would be interested in. Those f1.2 lenses are too big. I love big apertures but f1.8 or f1.4 is usually the limit for me and the extra weight and size for f1.2 is not worth it. But even looking at the other RF lenses or some of the better EF lenses I personally don’t feel there are the same options as in the E mount where you can really get some very good optics for decent size and weight. I think now that Canon has caught up, and even surpassed Sony in some respects in mirrorless, what we are seeing are two very excellent cameras and you really can’t go that wrong with any of them. Personally I love the resolution of the A7RIV and I am not really willing to give that up. Even if Canon’s AF is now better than Sony’s what I have now in my Sony cameras is good enough for me and it’s not really holding me back. I think, since it now appears that the R5 has very good electronic shutter, without much rolling shutter, the advantages of Sony’s A9 cameras is reduced but I still feel that the A7RIV with its greater resolution, at least for me, still makes it the better camera (for me). I hope that helps. I think it really depends a lot on what you value the most. Also, Canon’s strategy is to have one camera that tries to be good at everything and it is mostly succeeding. Sony’s strategy is to have different cameras that try to be the best at different things like the A7R cameras for resolution, the A9 for action, and the A7S cameras for video.

@tolickal

3 жыл бұрын

Adrian, thank you for the prompt reply, really appreciate it.

@efrainsueldo

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography looks that you do not need RF lenses, you may use your EF canon and the adapter allows to use as native, so any canon user will be willing to use R5 R6

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Efrain. Yes I agree but the only thing is if you do not already own EF lenses now and you but an R5 or R6, would it make sense to buy a new big EF lens like a 400, 500, or 600 prime, considering that those lenses will be superceded, at some point by RF equivalents?

When I show the number of AF points for the various cameras, there’s an obvious mistake there and it should say 425 CDAF for the A7RIV!

Haven't seen any new content here for months, starting to wonder ...

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Gary. I appreciate that you’re wondering! I promise there will be some things happening again on this channel soon. Unfortunately the pandemic has made life a bit difficult. The good news is I’m planning to not only get out some more videos from the studio but I have plans for some videos from the field. Unfortunately with the travel situation the way it is, I had to completely change plans for getting around but I’ve figured it out and I’m planning to make lots of videos about it starting with a series of winter camping trips. I hope you’re doing well. Have you been able to get out and shoot? Unfortunately I have not done any shooting for a while and have been mostly living through the photography of others as I have been doing a lot of teaching.

@garyg1144

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography Thanks for the reply Adrian and glad that you are well. I haven't been shooting much, just a bit of local stuff when I can find the time. I have missed your videos a lot for the content and inspiration. I too am living vicariously to a large extent through channels like yours. I can only imagine how much work you must put into creating your videos and I appreciate what you are doing! Good luck with your future endeavours and look forward to whatever you come up with, I'm sure it will be great.

Sony a9 ore canon r5 Whut is better for fast moving animals

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Thomas Siegers. Good question and I think they are both quite different but also pretty evenly matched especially as it seems the R5 electronic shutter is reasonably free of distortions. At least that is what we are seeing and what is being reported. One big difference is that the R5 has 45 MP and the A9 only has 24 MP.

@u107916

3 жыл бұрын

@@AdrianChoPhotography, The R5 has been great with rolling shutter on wildlife for me. I have only shot an occasional frame or two in one of the mechanical shutters, otherwise its been e-shutter exclusively. Its tracking is a step up and is in direct competition to the A9's. In general operation, I'd say they are too similar to give one or the other a nod, but when you calculate the Eye AF in, I think the Canon takes an edge. Also note I think each handle some situations better than the other. The kicker and the only reason to consider switching is the resolution. I wouldn't worry about switching based on the AF, but the noise handling and resolution are amazing when put in context.

Nothing in a camera is foolproof for wildlife, so the old methods certainly are not much of a fallback. I can’t believe you are talking about using a 12MP camera for wildlife, even in lowlight. Do you plan to use movie shutter speeds for wildlife? Why bring that up? Why do you want to be stuck with slow type a cards? It is far better to just leave SD behind and move into the future. 2x is just not significant. Nothing you mention here sounds particularity interesting to me. The one thing that is true is that competition gives us better gear, so if that is your point then I agree.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony Martin as I said in the video I don’t think the A7SIII itself is interesting for wildlife stills shooters but some of those new features are ones I think a lot of people would appreciate in future cameras. Sure we could have even faster speeds than 2x but I personally think 2x is still substantial when we’re waiting for the buffer to clear as we do today. That and the ability to make changes to the settings while the buffer is clearing is huge especially for people who are using the A7RIV in some action situations and don’t have (or don’t wish to use) an A9II. My eyesight is not so great and I would appreciate the higher resolution EVF although there are certainly diminishing returns at some point. Finally the new menu is a big deal especially to the people who carry on about Sony menus being hard to navigate. Back on the card slots, it will be interesting to see how the strategy of using the type A cards works out vs the route Canon has gone.

@RogerZoul

3 жыл бұрын

Adrian Cho Photography it makes no sense to accept 2x when I much better alternative it at hand. If everyone makes the Jump prices will drop as they have for all other forms of media. They freezing of the Sony bodies while the buffer clears is indeed a big problem and type B will solve that too. Do you really think that higher res EVF will help you? I can’t tell the difference between 1080p and 4K on my TV and not even on my computer monitors, so I am doubtful.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony Martin I think you’re expressing what you’d really like to see and I appreciate it. I’m trying to be realistic about what I think is more likely. I don’t really think, given that Sony already went the type A route in the A7SIII that they would go a different route with other future cameras. Regarding the EVF one thing to keep in mind regarding the specs is that while all these manufacturers (not just Sony) are quoting the number of dots in the EVF they are actually cheating because those dots are not pixels so the 9.44 milion dot EVF is actually 3.14 MP which is only about 50% above 1080p. I agree there’s times you can’t tell the difference between 1080p and 4K especially when there is good image processing happening but it depends a lot on the viewing distance. The EVF is so close to the eye so I personally find the resolution makes a huge difference.

@RogerZoul

3 жыл бұрын

Adrian Cho Photography Given that Canon has the major share of the Market and has 3 FF bodies that use type B, I think there is a good change that type A won’t be the likely winner, and that will be better for everyone.

@AdrianChoPhotography

3 жыл бұрын

Anthony Martin yes and it’s not just Canon but also other cameras such as the Z7 and the S1R that support type B. Sony has typically prioritized compactness in their form factor and I suspect that was a big factor in their decision to go the route they did. For better or for worse, Sony doesn’t seem to mind going it alone with memory card formats, as we saw with the Memory Stick.