Jake has seen the light. He's converted. HALLELUJAH!!!

Good timing haha we’re getting ready to go through some renovations in our old sanctuary we took over from a previous church and our PTZ options are likely going to be CR-N700s for our down the line PTZ and a stage cam or two coupled with two C series stick cams. It’s been near impossible to find a good thorough review of the Canon PTZ system in a church context so given the N700 is just basically a 12g genlocked N500, this makes me very happy.

I've been using these cameras along with Skaarjoj controller to sent the Tally light commands to the Canon cameras when the ATEM selects the cameras. Been super happy with them!

Really great, in-depth video! Thank you!

Thanks. You've helped our church research what we should try!

We’ve been using the N300 for about a year now and love it. Because of smaller budget, we could only purchase this 1 camera for now, and I run all the PTZ features off the free web portal software. That feed goes into our ATEM for livestream. Been very pleased!

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear! Thanks for sharing

@evercontreras7028

26 күн бұрын

Would love to see your livestream. Do you have a link to your livestream?

@kleslie

26 күн бұрын

@@evercontreras7028 now we are running with 2 of these PTZs and a few fixed cameras. kzread.info_416YezDvMo?si=Gagzi2ZweBVMmuDf

Very nice presentation. Love this kind of stuff.

We just installed 3 PTZ cameras and used them for the first time this last Sunday. They look freaking incredible. Their image quality is absolutely stellar.

@soundofthegardenwatc

Жыл бұрын

What models you get

@masonpruitt2290

Жыл бұрын

@@soundofthegardenwatc We got the SDI ones. They're black (I couldn't find their model number). The joystick operation system is superb as well. Lot of fun to use.

@evercontreras7028

26 күн бұрын

Do you have a link to your livestream?

But ,the first few videos on your channel was about you love them in the first place, I guess this makes for a catchy thumbnail!.

Bruh, that's a $5000 camera. What about a church that has less than $1000 for a camera?

@ChickenPermissionOG

27 күн бұрын

this is a production camera

For the price you are paying for a PTZ you could get a very good camera body, lens, tripod and all the accessories. I understand that PTZ's are good for those who don't have volunteers, but if you're dropping $6k for a camera, I'm sure you're church is big enough to train a volunteer to run it. You also need to remember that PTZ can do only 1 job. A good DSLR can be used anywhere, is easily moveable and can take stills. A PTZ is stuck and cannot be used for other functions. What we really need to see is a church that isn't a mega church, or has mega church funding. A church like mine has $2-3k per year to spend on audio/visual equipment, not $200-300k

@peanutjam

Жыл бұрын

These churches don’t seem like mega churches at all, but their tech budget is still pretty amazing. 😆

@Jamesrwpowell89

Жыл бұрын

Report the above channel peeps☝We have a fantastic gift for them!

We've been using the new Ross PTZ-12 cameras (3 of them) which are basically the same exact specs as the Marshall CV-730. We're using a Ross Carbonite Solo-13 switcher and Dashboard software to control the PTZs. Love the image (also a 1" sensor) but it's nearly impossible to color match with our 2 Canon XF405s.

Thanks for the breakdown of these. The n500 has been on my radar for a while. For $5500, it’s a tough sell for me. If you are in a cathedral or somewhere that ptz is your only option then sure it makes sense. With the Sony fr7 coming out, the ptz options are getting better! Just don’t go out and buy a cheap Amazon one and expect the same results friends!

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the n500 also zooms in tight enough at a max of 60ft away which is great for most small to mid sized venue. The Sonys look cool but $10k before lenses for the full frame ptz.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

@@Churchfront Can you review the prisual ptz camera?

@LiveProductionTips

Жыл бұрын

Actually technology is getting better we all need to have an open mind. Look how cellphones cameras have gotten better still with small sensors.. most of these PTZ camera brands have been learning from their user’s feedback and tried to make improvements. Lighting also is a big factor regardless of the sensor size, good lighting will make an’y cheap camera look good loll

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

@@LiveProductionTips It's professional to see and hear😁

@syncier22

Жыл бұрын

A was

I’ve been using Panasonic PTZs for the last 8 years trying to squeeze every last bit of functionality out of them I can 😂. One thing I was able to figure out that I couldn’t ever seem to find an answer for was preventing a PTZ from jumping to a preset while live on program output of the ATEM. It involves a lot of apps talking together (TouchOSC, Bomes Pro, AtemOSC, OSCulator) but if anyone is interested, I can try to make a tutorial of our setup.

@MRBaumX

Жыл бұрын

interesting application. I will try to figure out, if the skaarhoj controllers are able to be configured with that feature.

@zackhinrichs7409

Жыл бұрын

@@MRBaumX years ago, I bought a skarhooj gpio link, thinking I could accomplish this somehow, I misunderstood the product and it sat on the shelf collecting dust lol. Yea I’d be interested to see if you can accomplish this through skarhooj

Amazing video, thanks for sharing! I have two of the 500’s for now, but when I see this… my mind starts doing 💸 😅 When I got my cameras and the controller, the documentation was real sparse… so I’m learning a lot from this video alone!

good work king, love you

We've been a PTZ Church since we've had cameras.(2006) It's really the only way for us. These Canon cameras are beautiful.

We use PTZ and NDI that way we can use multiple independent PCs mix according to destinations. The person mixing for the centre backdrop screen needs the lyrics as much as the person mixing for the hall view screen same applies to the person mixing for the live stream.

For the good folks at South Fellowship, I also use Canon PTZ cameras (2 CR-N300s over NDI into OBS and out to a BM Web Presenter 4K) and have for about the past 10 months. I notice that you are using a StreamDeck in your setup and mentioned that it is doing at least some camera control (notwithstanding the Canon IR controller). Are you using the Canon XC Control protocols for those controls or some other function such as hotkeys? I have access to a StreamDeck but would like to use a LoupeDeck Live to use the rotary dials for P, T, Z, and manual focus control. I could accomplish this in OBS via plugins and hotkeys, but that seems a bit ungainly. XC Control seems more robust, but there isn't a lot written about it's use.

We use 6 of the AW-UE150W at the church I operate at and I could not be happier.

@evercontreras7028

26 күн бұрын

Do you have a link to your livestream?

@EscapeEFT

26 күн бұрын

@@evercontreras7028 kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIZt0aWgidiyYLA.html

I also love the Canon PTZ cameras, but the Controller sometimes is not intuitive enough for volunteers. So I prefere using the controllers from skaarhoj both for controlling the ATEM switcher and the cameras. Check them out, greetings from Germany.

Hey Jake! How far away is the Wellspring center PTZ camera? Our sanctuary is long Also could I use a few with atem mini or pro?

Amazing video 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Hi Jake. I appreciate the breakdown of the camera. We just purchased 1 CR-N500 and 2 CR-N300 for our church. By chance, do you have any recommendation on rotating the video and control for a camera that is mounted upside down on the ceiling? Is the rotation done within the software we use for video streaming? Or is that one of the settings within the camera itself? We'll have 2 that are right side up and one that is upside down.

@icakaunivere

6 ай бұрын

Did you find the answer to this? If not, it’s done in the camera setting 😢

any ideas on what kind of mount you would use for a Cannon cr-N300 to a truss? Our church plant recently went full mobile and we are stumped on what to do with the cameras attaching to the truss

Hi Josh is there a reason you chose to use SDI for a recording source and not use the NDI-HX ?

Hey guys, can you provide a link to the tripod showed in this video? Is there any special mount between the CR-N500 and the tripod or does it just slide on and attach somehow?

Thanks for the video! I have also despised PTZ's for the same reasons Jake mentions... and therefore, must now eat crow. Does anyone know if there is a Black Magic equivalent or if these would look good with BM? We are currently running two Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 6K's from the back of our room and want to get some more angles of the stage.

@Jake why did you go with the elgato streamdeck over the Blackmagic ATEM?

If included 4K Video sample for NR-500 & 300. That’s awesome.

Can the Canon PTZ videocams be controlled by a Panasonic PTZ controller? Or are they each proprietary?

I can't seem to find the ATEM camera control panel that is seen in this video which is being used to control the 2ME television studio 4K. Does black magic still make those control panels?

You may now want to review a Canon XF605 to change your view on camcorders as well 😁

My problem with PTZ’s have rarely been sensor/lens limitations. The problem is movement. A manned camera looks infinitely better for reactive movement than a PTZ and it’s not even close. It looks bad and robotic for movement, and even if you dial in a preset position/zoom settings - you’re stuck with static shots. Even if you’re a smaller church, I would still spend the same amount of money on a static angle of a DSLR/mirrorless and a good lens if you’re limited on space/people.

Love the look and ease of use. Wish they weren’t 5k each though. Is there a way to control a black magic 4K like a PTZ. Looking for the best cost effective options

@BlackhorseEdits

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you could try putting it on a gimbal and remote controlling it from your phone. But those cameras are hard to balance. You won’t have autofocus either.

Great video. Would be awesome for our small/medium church but cost prohibitive. Media doesn’t get a priority in the budget meetings. We went with the Panasonic lumix route this year. Planning on get a GH5 in next years budget

@OrbofShingeki

Жыл бұрын

Hey we're rocking a G7 ourselves!

@baron1c

Жыл бұрын

@@OrbofShingeki yea we got 2 G7s. One is the safe wide shot. The other is the main cam. Way better than what we had but we need to upgrade the main to a GH5. Then we can have 3 shots

@samuelearu

Жыл бұрын

What lenses do you use?

@jamesteacher805

Жыл бұрын

@@baron1c that sounds like it will be a great setup. If you nail the framing, exposure, and white balance on those bad boys you’ll be making great looking content. Love it!

@baron1c

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelearu kit lens on the wide shot and cheap panasonic extended zoom lens I got on Amazon. Can’t remember exactly which model

I have the Canon CR-N300 and my video quality looks no where near yours. Why? We have plenty of light and it just seems noisy and fuzzy on 1080p60 running to the ATEM TV Pro 4K switcher. Any tips? What am I doing wrong? I control the camera with an AVER PTZ using VISCA.

Do these cameras communicate with ATEM’s software? We’re looking for new cameras that will be controlled by our ATEM Production Studio.

Using a private Network POE Switch for the cameras is recommended to avoid contention with the other traffic in the local network as well as some of the issues you mentioned.

@BillBell-TimeLord

Жыл бұрын

Checking out the Camera power requirements, it reads like it needs POE+ PoE: PoE+ power supply via LAN connector (IEEE802.3at compliant) - PoE cannot be used External power source: 24 V DC (using included AC adaptor)

@AerialVideosPhotos

Жыл бұрын

@@BillBell-TimeLord I wanted to highlight not to mix a public network with the video but rather to get a separate switch for that purpose.

@BillBell-TimeLord

Жыл бұрын

@@AerialVideosPhotos I believe I understood your point (use a private camera network, rather than share it with printers, computers etc). In the video Jake mentions using POE to power the camera. When I looked up the Camera Specs (above comment). I saw that it needs POE+ (which can deliver more Power to Camera). When I saw your comment about POE switches I wanted to clarify if POE+ is required not standard POE. I came this close to buying standard POE switches. 🙂

Jake, could you do a video about direct lower third record/streaming with video all insude ProPresenter 7? We've been doing this at our church, but been getting glitches (we think it's our computer RAM, but a better settup is in planning to key lower thirds from PP to the switcher and get the ATEM mini pro to actually record from the switcher).

@adam_churchfront

Жыл бұрын

We teach step-by-step how to set up lower thirds and stream from ProPresenter 7 using an ATEM Mini as the capture device in The Beginner's Guide to Live Streaming course. We haven't seen issues during our testing or haven't had any students mention issues with that method

@adam_churchfront

Жыл бұрын

@@toddniemann1921 I 100% care about Benjamin Kelley and anyone else I can help

@adam_churchfront

Жыл бұрын

@@toddniemann1921 You get paid? I thought your philosophy was to purchase all the equipment, software and office space required to create high-quality educational content for free and not have time for any income that would provide for yourself or your family.. Anyway, haters aside - if anyone wants to watch the video instead of just look at the thumbnail you can hear Jake explain how we came to get these cameras from Canon and our honest opinion on them.

Do they have an auto tracking feature for pan?

Those guys must be good friends for the amount of teasing 😂

One of the Canon executives I spoke with recently informed me that the Canon Cr-N500 had an 11 ms delay. So, how would you handle it if you wanted to view the camera on the LED wall inside the church.

What tripod are you using for your PTZ camera?

Pretty cool set up for sure but I struggle to see how spending almost $50k on cameras like this is really well spent donated money. I guess the same could be said for half the online streaming stuff most churches run nowadays.

We have the JVC KY-PZ100s in our worship center right now with the JVC camera controller. Do you know if that controller would be compatible with these Canon PTZ cameras if we were to add it to our setup? Haven't been able to find anything on it.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Prisual PTZ camera is compatible with 98% of the PTZ cameras on the market

Who wouldn't like a $5000+ PTZ camera, for $5+K it better be broadcast quality.

Do you prefer sgi over hdmi?

This is a mater of taste thing but if I have access to the DHCP-server I always prefer using IP reservations over static IPs. This makes it a lot easier to manage all addresses in one place and reduces the risk of IP conflicts in case of misconfiguration. It will also make it faster to set up the cameras in another network with a different subnet for ad-hock setups as you will not have to do any changes to the camera's IP configuration. The downside to this approach is that without the DHCP-server none of the devices get any addresses. As most DHCP-servers run on a router that is the primary network gateway anyway without it you will not have a network to stream over so it's a single point of failure regardless of your IP configuration... unless you run redundant bla bla bla...

The Canon XA55 ($2800) is much the same as CRN500 ($5400) less PTZ for all most half the money. They have a great image. If you don’t want to use SDI try the XA50 you can save $500 more on the camera very easy for volunteers to run.

@vladyu7441

10 ай бұрын

and what motors do you supposee we use?

Rec. 709 is not a "LUT" or 3D LUT, it is a standard for HD video. It defines the resolution, aspect ratio, frame rate, encoding and more.

2:21 How can you enable face tracking AF while live streaming but hide the face tracking square?!

Trying to make up my mind about getting the CR-N300 vs CR-N500. I haven´t seen any footage from the CR-N300 that I think is good enough... It feels old... Anyone that have and can share more good looking footage? Is it different in a lighter environment perhaps...

@thomaslambright

9 ай бұрын

Did you end up getting one or both of these cameras? I'm currently trying to decide between the CRN 300 and the CRN 500. Do you have any experience with them at this point that you could share?

Still looks like a PTZ to me 🤷‍♂️ The Sony FR-7 looks amazing though and the Datavideo PTR-10 is a nice way to turn a real camera into a PTZ.

Have you check out the CR-N700 yet?¿

If it is 4k capable, why are you using 1080p? Just wondering. Someone educate me!

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

1080p is cheaper than 4k

Friends, if I am yo put down a single figure for the entire kit, 5 cameras in your description, the video controllers, joy sticks, monitors and cabling, what would it be. Could you possibly link me to someone who could give me some answers on this?

He changed his mind when canon said 🤑. The image still isn’t even close to normal cameras 🤣🤣

is this using NDI ?

Yeah good but for a one dimensional camera that's a pretty steep price. Praying they continue to get better & come down in price

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Would you consider a cheap camera？？

Noticed the shutter was at 1/30, do you typically shootat 1/60 instead? I find 1/30 much too smeary.

@DuffTV

6 ай бұрын

For static shots I'm not sure if it really matters?

@avdcam

6 ай бұрын

@@DuffTV it effects the motion blur of anything moving in the frame so personally I think it makes a big difference. Even just people talking can look strange at 1/30 personally.

can they be mounted from the ceiling?

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Yes, ceiling mounting is supported

Yes to Jeff!

@robrig55

Жыл бұрын

Jake can you confirm this is you guys?

Ok ptz, but why not get a fisheye camera and digitally pant tilt and zoom anyway you want it after the sermon

This works only if you have the budget for these expensive cameras. For the price of 1 camera I can get 8 sony a6000 with the same image quality. Sure if I have no volunteers I can't move them so maybe I would buy some motorized sliders/heads or 1 PTZ for moving shots, but building a setup with only these cameras is just insanely expensive for most churches.

@samuelearu

Жыл бұрын

Interesting!! What lenses do you use if I May ask?

@GaricsPeter

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelearu Mostly budget ones. 16-50 kit lens, 55-210 tele. Since most cameras are static, super cheap manual prime lenses from TTArtisan or 7artisans work wonders since they are pretty bright with a nice DoF. There are many power zoom lenses and with cheap multiport controllers you can use these cameras like camcorders.

Buy a rack fusion live to control the camera and Atem. It is a better choice than the Canon controller.

Is it me or the 300 struggles to get a crisp focus..? In comparison to the 500 and C70..?

Great ❤🎉😂

Amazing but the price is quite high.... at least for my finance!

Two things destroy the peace and tranquillity of our lives, our bewailing past disappointments, or our fearing future ones.

I need to say that your encoder is not so good bacause too many blocking issues on dark spots. So sou need to boost your encoder to as much as possible settings.

@MarcelGavalier

Жыл бұрын

@Churchfront i do not have a telegram app, i reach you at instagram.

I'm hoping you will follow up with the CR-N700 when it is released for all that 4K60 glory and Hi-Def praise for The Lord God Himself!

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try sony fr7

@ 4.5K GBP ? I'll take 8..haha Forget sending our tithes and offerings to missionaries out in the field. LOL Nice cameras though!

This would be a real game changer for us, but it's way out of our budget, unfortunately.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Consider a Prisual ptz camera below $1000

@calebrabion

Жыл бұрын

@prisualptzcamera7365 are these comparable to the Canon? I need clear video zoomed in from 60' back.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

@@calebrabion Hi,Prisual ptz camera it used Panasonics sensor,great image and accurate focus,if you use 20X optical zoom,you can capture the clear iamge capture a head and shoulders shot at up to 75′ (23 meters) away.

Not a 6g a camera

GTL Hi I

Idk man, Panasonic delivers plenty of image quality

wow you didn't say how much these cameras are, the 500 is over 5000 and the 300 is over 2000, how can a church afford cameras like this?, this church on this video spend over 12000. thats is nuts, our cong could never spend that kind of money.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Why not choose a cheap PTZ camera? ？The video quality is very good

@leonbenner2204

Жыл бұрын

@@prisual we did and are much better then what we were using and the cost around 850

CR 500n $5,000 each hehehehehehe... Let me explain this to the elders why we want to spend that much... 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭 I'll wait for the Amazon- China knock off - The Kanun 4K ptz $2,000...🤣✌️😎

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

Hi，you can try Prisual 4K NDI HX2 PTZ camera

13:37 looks artificial and unnatural. The jitterness and choppy movements are not good compared to a live person.

The camera that changed his mind about PTZ happens to be the sponsor of this video… hmmmmmmmmmmm Also, check out BirdDog! Or Panasonic, or Sony!

@MrHeuvaladao

Жыл бұрын

It's a good merch, anyway. Could you recommend some models?

@kinghomer999

Жыл бұрын

@@MrHeuvaladao if you want the equiv sensor to the camera he recommended it would be a BirdDog P4K (but it’s real expensive), if you don’t need 4K (and for live-streaming I don’t think you do) the P200 is also great. If you’re using Blackmagic cameras already pick something with a Sony sensor (like BirdDog for best results. Panasonic has a great lineup of PTZ AWUE-150K is one of them.

@Churchfront

Жыл бұрын

If any ptz has a 1” sensor and good lens optics I approve. When it comes down to the price, the only comparable BirdDog I see is $3k more than the n500. Hmmmmmmm

@eirikdalhus

Жыл бұрын

It is basicly an FX6 in a ptz body.

@prisual

Жыл бұрын

@@MrHeuvaladao Would you consider a cheap camera？？

Very nice but 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰

love the flexibility but they still look poo-ie :((

And then God said, "behold, I need millions of dollars and bokeh, so that thouest can follow me and praise me while drunk and obese at home." Hallelujah!!!

Pay taxes

Ah yes expensive camera and production systems blasting the faces of the musicians on big screens by expensive projectors. definitely the best use of funds, definitely couldn’t of accomplished any greater good…

bad cameras, buy for lives bm pocket