This 85mm review series has been excellent. Thanks for putting out the effort Dustin!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Wish more photography gear reviewers would take a page from your playbook. Excellent work as always.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@flightscapeaviationphoto

6 жыл бұрын

Dustin Abbott on the topic of lenses, do you have any thoughts on the Irix series of lenses - have you tried them. FYI, your reviews and opinions helped me pull the trigger on the Canon 5D Mk4 during recent BlackFriday deals online.

Wow! How did you do the comparison in just few days! Very impressed, thanks for your great work.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I was doing a fairly narrow series of tests. A lot of what I do as a reviewer (that takes time) is just use a lens to get a feel for real world strengths and weaknesses. Since I have spent a lot of time with both of these lenses in the past, I already knew what to look for.

You put a lot of effort into these reviews Dustin, congratulations. The Canon really surprised me here with it's creamier background and smoother highlight circles. On that metric alone I think it enters the big league.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

The comparison on 15'55" stunned me! That points out the importance of the IS! I borrowed the canon lens from my friend to use for a while, and I found it a nice portrait lens with beautiful bokeh. Though the CA was quite an issue on the canon one, the real use of this lens seemed to be acceptable to me. In my opinion, I think the canon 85mm f1.4 is would be a game changer of the 85mm lines, and as you said in the other video, there would be no true competitor due to the IS in such a fast lens. Considering the price of the lens in Asian market, I think it was quite a bargain for those who shoot portraits and wedding photography.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It is a solid value, I think

Great review, no other brought out the BIG different of IS and non-IS. Thank you for your great job.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Excellent side by side comparisons Dustin, very impartial as usual.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

DA is the Zeiss of reviewers. "A little bit sharper there", "a little bit more special here", "a whole more CS (common sense) there" :p Once again, thanks for the great review !

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you Dustin for this review. I mainly shoot weddings and events and was looking for a fast lens for low light a great at blurring the background. I was undecided on the Canon 85mm f1.4 L IS and the Zeiss Milvus 50 or 85mm. Your closing comments and recommendations about using manual focus and where it’s suited was a massive help. While the Zeiss maybe in my kit one day, the Canon 85mm f1.4 L IS is what would suit my needs for work. In my opinion your reviews are in there own league. I’ve not found anyone as thorough, technical, and most importantly you advice is based from practical experience. Thank you so much, Chris

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it helped, and thanks for the great feedback.

@ChrisKnowlesTube

5 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI Do you have any tips for manual focus with the Zeiss lenses? I've just been practicing lots and using the focus yellow dot and beep and this seem to work most of the time. I have the Canon EOS 5D mkIV. Thanks.

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

The best technique seems to be to focus beyond the subject, get the point active, and focus back slowly until you get confirmation. Click the shutter the moment you hear the confirmation beep.

Dustin, any plans of making a video of this OTUS vs the RF 85 f1.2??

What a great video. Very educational. Thanks!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The best review on your carrier!!

Great series. One again! Great job!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

One of the best 85mm comparison on KZread !

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

That's my hope!

An eye opener on how important stabilization is with high res bodies.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It definitely is.

Amazing review as usual! I own the 85mm Plannar and the colour rendition is amazing.! The Zeiss look is special and unique!. Regards.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

There’s no question about that.

Thank you for this excellent and as allways unbiased review

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

I shot a nice dress with a lot of clear stones, I rented a classic zeiss planar for wide angle, and used my sigma 85mm for portraits. The glitter was looking all rainbow effect with the sigma and the zeiss shot were cold perfect. The client asked me to un-correct the fringes I removed with photoshop on the sigma shots, because he thought that those colour fringes looked fun and warm and joyful. This was also evident in the earrings shots, some red outlines made golden things look more goldent, and warmer. So yes it is an optical defect, but it can be desirable in some cases. The snow shot of the video really showed the huge superiority of the zeiss, the snow looked a lot more puffy, you could even see the shape of each flake.

Dustin, another excellent review. Thank you. I'm retired engineer, serious amateur for many years (1Dx mk2, Canon Pro-1000). The Otus for me would be pure pretension. Don't need it and not crazy about the onion ring bokeh. My decision now is between the Canon 85mm f/1.4 IS and Zeiss Milvus 135mm f/2.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Those are still very different lenses. I own the Milvus 2/135, and it is a stunning lens optically, but MF isn’t practical for all situations

All the comparisons that I once really wanted to see appear on your channel =) Otus certainly has higher optical characteristics!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It’s a very special lens!

Thanks for your excellent review.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Excellent work, Dustin.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Thanks for the great comparison review! I was comparing the 1,2L and 1,4L. Seems like the IS has the edge!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I would buy the IS version, myself.

@zackchoy1969

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great advice and recommendation!

Thank you so much... Merry Christmas in advance...

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Same to you!

Great video with this information 👍📷

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped.

I'm considering buying the Otus 85. I use Nikon, and Nikons own 85mm f/1.4G is a mess when it comes to CA. It's ridiculous. And I can get a good price on the Otus second hand - almost half of the price from new.

You are awesome, thanks Dustin!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Astonished to learn the effect of IS at 85mm. Can you do a quick comparison to the Tamron 85 vc?

@gunsts

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Kim He did make a comparison between Canon 85 with Tamron 85 vc. Check it out. Dustin has become one of my trusted reviewers because of his approach.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’ve covered that already. The two lenses are roughly the same in handholding, and I’ll give one quick peak at that for video in my final review.

Finally I can remind my rich friend that his Otus has onion bokeh... thank you so much for this fantastic review and all all the practical aspects.

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Hello Dustin, may I ask: on what screen do you review these pictures? i have the feeling that my screen might not be as accurate as yours in the color representation ( i guess you have an Eizo or something along that range), to where i sometimes don't see differences as prominent as you might describe them. Thanks for such informative content throughout your channel!

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

I use a couple of higher end BenQ 4K monitors

When using neat image or newer algorithm to correct for noise, I always shoot with higher ISO that I would normally, because noise is like vignette : its so easy and good result to correct in post processing. It's always good to have shorter exposure, like underexpose a little to have those perfect clouds. Each photographer should have his own and different priorities.

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

Interesting.

Thank you for the review Dustin! I am a wedding photographer and I owned both of the Canon 85mm F/1.4L IS and Tamron 85mm F/1.8 for my work and I am currently using both of them. When I compare both of these lens, I found that the Canon lens brings very nice warm & pink skin tones than the Tamron does. I always find the Tamron has a little bit green/yellowish color in skin tones. And also the Canon has milder micro-contrast as you mentioned in this video which I think is perfect for shooting portrait compared to sharp and high contrast lens like Sigma art or Otus. Maybe you can do some test on skin tone comparison as 85mm is commonly used in shooting portrait. Low contrast, good skin tones & smooth bokeh is what I need when shooting portrait pictures. One more thing I discovered is that the Canon 85mm F/1.4L IS AF accuracy is not very consistent especially in big aperture. The lens keep searching the right point of focus back and fore when you shoot a few shots at the same spot using the centre single spot AF. Surprisingly, the AF systems is much more accurate & consistent in the Tamron 85mm. (I have sent my lens to Canon CS for checking for AF accuracy and tried the other 85mm in their showroom also gives the same result). What a shame to Canon. I also found that some of the test shots in this video are not focusing on the same plane as the Otus. (shots in 06:23 & 11:23) It will greatly increase the CA to the Canon in the out of focus area and bring softer bokeh as the Otus did. So I think to be fair, you may need to compare both lens using Liveview + MF to ensure they are focusing on the same plane. Sorry for the long comments. Great appreciate to you works.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I too have found the Tamron to be a surprisingly strong lens for focus accuracy, too. As far as the skin tones and facial rendering, I do think that you are right - I too prefer the Canon. The focus in all tests between the Canon and Otus are 10x Live View Manual Focus and are all within a fraction of each other - certainly not enough to negatively impact defocused regions.

I feel like this is a lens Canon has designed to shoot faces. It seems geared to be used wide open primarily, with less improvement stopped down than lenses usually show. The MTF shows it resolves well at 30lpmm, but not at 10lpmm - it will resolve features but not pores, which is ideal for shooting a face. Just a thought I had when I first saw the MTF charts. Still waiting for my copy of this lens to arrive to see if this bears out.

@fangxusun1723

6 жыл бұрын

"I feel like this is a lens designed to shoot faces." sorry that I laughed hard.

@FloatingOnAZephyr

6 жыл бұрын

Whatever floats your boat lol

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I think that is a solid assessment. I think it is important for people to consider what their shooting priority actually is.

interesting and good work. i ve the 85 1.2 and i m considering to switch for for this new 1.4 IS, i miss IS with the 1.2, i ve lot of blurry shot, even at 1/200

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

That, along with the autofocus speed and accuracy, is the most compelling reason to switch.

Do you think you have a bad copy of the Canon 85 f1.4? I really wanted to buy a copy of that lens but after seeing you reviews now I'm stuck deciding between the sigma 85 1/4 arts or the Tamron 85 1 8.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it is a bad copy (I see no issues with it), but I do think there are slightly sharper copies. My results are not really off what I’ve seen fro other photographers, and they not actually bad results!

"Onion Bokeh"! I need a t-shirt with that! Great review and I appreciate your balanced and logical approach when reviewing products. I just got the Canon 85mm IS and I'm loving it precisely for the reasons you mentioned. By the way, has anyone told you that you kinda look like Steve Carell?! That's a compliment! Cheers!

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard the Steve Carell comparisons a lot since doing this channel.

Outstanding review Dustin. No doubt about it, the Zeiss is simply perfect optically but those bokeh circles having onion rings is somewhat offputting. The importance of stabilization cannot be understated. Both my Tamron 24 - 70 f2.8 G2 and 15 - 30 f2.8 feature IS,. Given I handhold the majority of my shots ( often in poor light ) I'd take these lenses over technically sharper alternatives without IS.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

That’s very true.

When are you going to review the Phase One 100 Mpixel ? That would be nice !

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

LOL. That’s not in the immediate plans!

Another very helpful comparison. Can we download the RAW files from this video - would be interesting to see what Lightroom does with the CA. Also I saw an interesting VLOG on another channel where a Canon 24mm T/S lens was used. This is the first time I have seen a T/S lens been used and thought the results looked very good - so it would be interesting if you can get your hands on one to review it.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I don’t typically share my RAW files (other than occasionally for my patrons). I use it as a means of rewarding those who are supporters

@photoquent

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know, fully understand.

Hi, Dustin! Thank you for your fantastic reviews (that almost invariably put me into the Buridan's ass situation). Is there any chance you could provide some tutorials/tips on using manual focus lenses on DSLR bodies (Canon 5D M4 specifically).

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the 5DIV (and similar bodies) are not nearly as friendly to MF lenses as they could be. I vastly prefer using MF glass on Sony due to getting the image stabilization and all of the focus aids. Hopefully Canon does full frame mirrorless right and also has a good platform for MF. Focus confirmation works best if you focus past the subject, hold the shutter down halfway, and then focus back towards the subject. As soon as you get the "beep" of focus confirmation, take the photo. The most reliable results come from using Live View and focus magnify, though.

@leykinzachar2460

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Dustin, thanks a lot! You are a great educator.

In the last comparison I was sure that the right picture was better, had more contrast. I was surprised you said different, but then again felt confirmed, when I saw the solution.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

LOL

@TondovanRest

6 жыл бұрын

Same here, especially in terms of contrast. Not so much absolute sharpness, but just generally a more contrasty feel to my eyes.

IS is really game changing feature. I can see that on the Tamron G2 27-70 : a lot less post-processing work on the images coming out of it, because it is sharper out of camera. For my kind of photography, this makes a strong case for the Canon with IS. (or use a sony camera with in-body IS if one day I change system) even knowing all the problems, longitudinal CA being the most problematic.

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. That's why I love IBIS in the mirrorless bodies.

Hi Dustin, now that Zeiss has discounted Milvus 85mm f1.4 for 2 weeks they put it at the exact same price as Canon 85mm f1.4 L IS USM. May I ask for your opinion which of them would you recommend? I shoot portraits - outdoor and indoor, mainly natural light, static poses as well as during model acting a scene. Thanks, appreciating all your effort and excellent videos. Peter

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

If you have time to focus manually, I love the results the Milvus produces (very special). The Canon is the more practical lens for many shooters, though.

Please compare the new Canon to the Sigma 85 and the Canon 1.2. Tamron...Zeis...most people will be debating on the former options, not the ones you've compared already. Love your content. Keep it up.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

The Sigma is the final comparison.

@Legionere

6 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Can't wait!

Mr. Abbott, will you now reconsider the new RF 85F1.2 “an OTUS with AF”? I’m curious to see if it is so. Can you do a head2head match between the OTUS vs RF?

@DustinAbbottTWI

3 жыл бұрын

I would say that it is very close to that. I can't promise any kind of head to head, as I've got a huge demand for reviews that outstrips my time to give.

Great review Dustin. As per previous comment exchanges I have decided to go for the Zeiss (predominantly a tripod shooter for images that I would use this lens for), if I want IS I will use my 70-200 f2.8 II, after all I would never shoot lower than f2.8 even at an event because I would find the focus zone far too narrow. I have also decided that I will go for the Otus rather than the Milvus as I believe I would regret not doing so. However I have heard rumours of a major exposure problem on the 1DX mark ii, is this something which you know anything about?

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’ve not heard that, no. That’s certainly not the case on the 5D Mark IV, which shares a lot of architecture with the iDxII

@garydainton6475

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply and once again a very happy Christmas to you and your family.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Same to you!

I have been put off on manual focus lenses. I'm sure it has to be almost impossible to nail an eye at 1.4, right??

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

On DSLRs, yes, on mirrorless it is simple due to MF aids and being able to magnify the image to visually confirm focus.

anyone noticed the picture poppin up in the top left corner at 6:07 ?

Very interesting review. I favor the canon lens because I like the canon look. But still, that otus is a legendary lens.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

The Otus is very special

17:50 "'these two letters right here... Aah Yes" :D

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It's true, though :)

Hi Dustin, you didn't mention if you used Canons' DPP, ie, Canons' referred software tool for CA correction ? Only Canons' enginners know how to get the best from Canons lenses. Lightrooms' lens correction just doesn't cut it at all. To get the best out of a Canon lens you have to use Canons DPP raw converter tool. Yes, it is an extra step for some, but 100% worth it, imo, and I always use DPP as DPP will gives back micro contrast with the associated illusion of greater resolution. I suspect the Canon lens will match the Zeiss lens in microcontrast and apparent detail, once Canons DPP tool has been correctly used on the canon Lens.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I disagree on your last point. You cannot correct that LoCA without destruction to the image - no matter what software you use. No 85mm lens produces as much contrast as the Otus...because you don’t have to correct any aberrations.

Hi Dustin! I really like your videos. I was rewatching this video and came up wondering where would you place the milvus 85 compared to these 2 lenses? pros and cons?

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

The Milvus is actually sharper on the edges than the Otus, but is a little less sharp in the middle and has (very) slightly more CA. Nicer bokeh, though. It’s optically very strong.

@miguel92gom

5 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you! that's very useful as I'm considering buying the milvus.

@SabotPottery

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguel92gom I love mine, it's my go-to lens (especially for closeup work with tubes).

@miguel92gom

3 жыл бұрын

@@SabotPottery awesome! I did end up buying it as well and it's one of my best lenses along with the milvus 25mm f1.4.

@SabotPottery

3 жыл бұрын

@@miguel92gom yeah, I've also been looking at a good wide angled lens like the 25 or the 21 f/2, hold this place..... we live in hope.

I don't see much green aberration at all, in most of the examples except for the sparkly diamond thingy in the last comparison with the tamron.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It will depend of the type of situation. You’ll definitely get it in “bokeh fringing” most often.

@superwookie1115

6 жыл бұрын

Well maybe because the images are what 30 MP and my screen isn't even 1080p. My screen is 720p.

Compare otus 55 with leica SL 50 f1.4

Is this the same Canon 84 1.4 IS you tested before and found faulty, or did you get another copy to put it up against the Otis? Another interesting comparison would be the Tokina 85 1.8 vs. the Otis, too. You own that lens, maybe you could compare it as well?

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’m still using the same copy, which I didn’t really find to be faulty. Are you referring to the Tamron vs Otus here? That’s not really what I’m working on - I’m more reviewing the Canon

Please do a review of this canon 85 1.4L with the milvus 85mm

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’m afraid my last comparison will be with the Sigma ART. I’m out of time with the 85L IS and have to move on to other projects.

@jesuscrisis5086

6 жыл бұрын

awesome, sigma art series are incredible.

@dustinabbotttwi would you be willing to do an updated version of this against the Canon RF 85mm f/1.2L? The R5/R6 have amazing manual focus tools.

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem with going back to older lenses is that I have a schedule that is filled for several months ahead of me already...and there is new stuff coming out all the time. I only have so much time!

@CryptoJones

Жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI that makes sense. Thank you for replying!

I'm looking for 85mm for canon to do street photography, and this sealed my decision. The IS matters more than sharpness. While handhold on the street the Canon will net in better sharpness and better bokeh in the end. Thanks so much!

@DustinAbbottTWI

2 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

great review

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

I feel like the new Canon held up very well compared to the Otus. It seems to excel in global image quality more than fine details, like the Canon 85 1.8. I'd be interested to see/hear how those compare. I always felt like the 1.8 was a professional-worthy lens marketed as a mid-level to bump up sales of the 1.2. If mine didn't get old and malfunction, I wouldn't be shopping for a newer 85 now.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I too like the 85mm f/1.8 optically (though the CA is too high), but I didn't find I got as accurate of AF as what I would have liked out of the lens.

In your experience what camera do well with this beautiful lens. I am thinking about getting a camera 😎money is not a problem

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Which lens are you referring to?

well constructed review

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video, though if i had a $ for every reference to 'micro contrast' i would be able to afford a Zeiss lens

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

LOL - I wish it worked that way for me.

The telling of which lense was on what side. Is the only thing missing from your video. Other then that great video.

@DustinAbbottTWI

3 жыл бұрын

That information is typically on screen in the Lightroom readout.

@ariesmight6978

3 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI Yes your are right, but the writing is soo tiny. That you need a magnifying glass. Just to read it.

Maybe this is too much to ask.. but can you compare it with the sigma art and the milvus?

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

The ART is on its way, but I have to move after that.

@chrisrout1654

6 жыл бұрын

If you look back at Dustin's previous reviews of the 85mm Milvus you will get most of your information from them, but having owned the 85mm Milvus I can safely say that it is slightly softer than the Otus under f2.8 but sharper than the Canon, it has very mild green fringing in out of focus areas compared the Otus, but way less than the Canon, Bokeh is extremely clear with no 'Onion rings' which again is in between the Otus and the Canon. As Dustin has previously mentioned in other reviews, the Milvus is more similar than dissimilar to the Otus and has more vignetting also, hope this helps answer your questions.

@Cesar-ht5uz

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, i've watched almost every video of Dustin, I remember the Milvus line review. But just curious to watch some side-to-side comparison between these 3 wonderful lenses, and I think the one who can do it with this quality is Dustin.

@chrisrout1654

6 жыл бұрын

Cesar Harretche Yes I know what you mean and if Dustin had all the lenses in question available I’m sure you’d see a mass comparison, but I’m sure availability and time are the restricting factors for him unfortunately

Ok, there is optical perfectionism; but there is also real life.... The thing that prevented me to try another 85mm to replace my old Sigma HSM is autofocus. OK I see a lot of problems in my images like fringing, front or back focus, general lack of sharpness (since it took a bump on the front element); but when I was tempted to try the Samyang I did another photoshoot with the Sigma and noticed that with subject moving and with the obligation to deliver on that work I could not work without autofocus. Even if for some static work I prefer to manually focus (on a tripod) and always get better shots in manualn if I have to choose a lens, first I look only at autofocusing lenses, and then I choose into what is available and other details like... price. And I don't want to have a lot of lenses.

Can do a comparison of Zeiss Otus and Milvus?.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I have no such comparison planned. I’ve got review commitments through most of the rest of the year already

@odd-1out689

6 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI It's ok. Keep up the good work.

I'll be keeping my Otus 85 and 28....and adding the RF 85MM! 😁

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

Then you will be having some serious 85mm options!

If I was only hand holding I would not buy an Otus! Maybe for landscape where critical focus can be enjoyed.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

You do have to shift your shooting style a bit to shoot MF, but I own a number of MF lenses and primarily shoot them handheld.

Very interesting comparison, the Zeiss is very impressing but for most situations i actually think that the Canon will bring home the best results....😇

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It is definitely the more practical choice for the vast number of photographers

Oh goodness. I just get me a Leica LS

Agreed. I never trust DXO 100%

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Their methodology isn’t very transparent, and sometimes my real world findings don’t support their lab conclusions.

images taken with Zeiss lenses have this quality in their images, which is '' I'm coming to get You '', yes, your subject is always isolated even if you're shooting closed down, no need for bokeh when the lens renders an image that separates every element in the image from its environment, not smash them all in a 2D rendering. that's one thing that once You see it, You'll always look for it and won't be satisfied with anything else because now You know...

@DustinAbbottTWI

2 жыл бұрын

There is definitely a special quality to the glass.

the perfect review dud.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

#DA why companies don't make macro lens with f1.4, it is great idea for best contrasty lens!

@garyking4032

6 жыл бұрын

Because 2.8 is already a razor thin DOF at macros distances, 1.4 would be unusable, probably even with focus stacking.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Gary nailed it. Even f/2.8 at macro distances is physically impossible (the effective aperture even on an f/2.8 lens is smaller than f/2.8 at macro distances)

Is CA a problem in de digital world? Did you use lens corrections on? In most cases CA is easy to correct in a RAW converter, but yes it costs time...........

@cdave2006

6 жыл бұрын

when you correct it, you will see a reduction in the quality (resolutions / edge contrast). You can see it very easily when the CA is huge. But my most concerne about CA is when you have a very colorfull images, the CA correction most of the time mess the colors.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I think cdave has gotten it right.

@aklaasvandalen207

6 жыл бұрын

There are minimal 5 different techniques to remove CA. I also use DxO-elite with sometimes more or less succes. Yes it cost time en it needs skill to improve an image with CA, but it can be done, I think.

@aklaasvandalen207

6 жыл бұрын

Dustin Abbott of course he has gotten it right, but I have to work with the lenses I have and can pay. And that is not an Otus.

@dontgetmadgetwise4271

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, CA also impairs focussing. AF is bad enough in reliability and repeatability without CA interfering as well.

I was expecting a comparison between portraits taken by canon 85 mm versus the Zeiss variant since 85 mm is a focal length for portraiture. Sorry this review has not helped me

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

Hey , Did you buy your Sony A7R3 yet ? hehe

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’ll review it first because putting my money down :)

Super !

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Honestly the Zeiss Otus 85mm is a lens Canon can easily equal if not surpass unrestrained by price, limited by AF, and of course, size. But in a realistic world use, how many out of focus pictures occur with a very fast lens with no AF? I don't care how good your eyes are, how fast your reflexes are, nothing beats a work class AF system compared to human focus.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

No argument on your latter point, though I’m not so sure on your former point. If it were so easy to do, then Zeiss wouldn’t be in business or able to charge a premium for their lenses.

@joejoe8948

6 жыл бұрын

You really don't believe Canon given a $4500 selling point, no restrictions on size, and AF, couldn't come up with a lens that matches or exceed the Otus? BTW, I have owned dozens of Zeiss lenses on my Hasselblad 500, 900, and Contax 645 cameras. Great lenses, no doubt. But you make it seem like they have some magic sauce that Canon, Leica, and Nikon, can not match or exceed.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I don't believe that they could, actually. The Otus series is special for a reason, and I don't think building such a lens is just as easy as spending money.

@Chris-ey7zy

7 ай бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWIsome people don’t believe history comes into play plus culture to create Zeiss look

Dustin please please compare it with sigma 85 art

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I’m on a business trip, but the Sigma should be waiting for me at home to do that final comparison.

@Itssanaullahrajpoot

6 жыл бұрын

Dustin Abbott thanks Dustin ❤ try to do portrait session with both too

At first the Zeiss really seemed like THE lens to get if you were shooting commercially for jewelry, high end watches, and other small luxury items -but that rather extreme "onion" bokeh, in my opinion, really ruines it for those markets. Now I'm not really sure who the customer for this lens is. (By the way, I'm still very happy with my Canon 85mm f1.8. :) )

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Remember that onion bokeh only exhibits itself in a few situations. In most situations the bokeh rendering for the lens is magnificent. I would still happily own the Otus, myself.

@chrisrout1654

6 жыл бұрын

Randy, the Otus only shows 'Onion bokeh' with direct pinpoint back lighting, if for instance the pinpoint lighting was slightly diffused then the onion effect disappears and rendering is beautiful!

i want to know vs sigma 85mm

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

There's another episode that covers that. Look at the playlist.

@user-xq1pb2yb4b

4 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI CANON and sigma or otus and sigma?

It’s impressive what Zeiss did with this lens, but the real world benefits are minor. More a lens for wine sniffers than a practical tool for professionals.

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

That won't be everyone's take, but its not a bad one, either.

Really, against the Otus? Should this not be a comparison against the Milvus? The Otus is clearly on another level.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, but people were throwing the term “Otus” around, and I mostly wanted to demonstrate what an Otus lens really is.

@JohKemStYl3

6 жыл бұрын

The abberation test is just insane. I mean the Otus really has no abberation at all. I would love to own the Otus 28mm for landscapes, but the pricetag is a bit out of my league. I got the Milvus 135mm APO second hand (and really cheap) because I got really lucky and it is also quite impressive, but this Otus seems to be even better? Do you know if it is also an apochromatic lense?

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it is, and the Milvus 2/135 is another stunning lens (I also own it).

@JohKemStYl3

6 жыл бұрын

It is by far my favorite lense- sharpness and color rendition is insane.

Love Canon ;)

@seanimal3

6 жыл бұрын

Hifibloke I love canon cuz it says canon

@avg4570

5 жыл бұрын

Pathetic losers.

That last comparison shows why Canon has done a marvelous job and got the first place in the 85mm primes range.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It’s all about perspective. This is the reason why people are sometimes surprised by my results, as reviewers sometimes choose one attribute of lens performance and really push it...leading people to believe that the lens or camera is “better’ based on that one attribute.

@jaimeduncan6167

6 жыл бұрын

The 85mm 1.8 VC is very close, better in many regards and it cost a fraction. So it's a contested issue.

@KraftyMcFirefly

6 жыл бұрын

Weighs almost the same...

It's nice to play and measure it with a microscope, but the difference is so minor that is will not affect 99.99% of shooters and 100% of clients :) And for 3 times less money you get IS, autofocus and less weight, much more important and usable things than less contrast which can be done in post in one second, and aberrations which can be removed in one second, so in real world Canon wins hans down. And btw, there is a front focus on Canon in almost all of the shots..

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

There is no front focus. They are 10x Live View manually focused. As I said, for many people the Canon is the more practical lens. The Otus is a specialist lens, but it is also very special.

@vladimirtalijan

6 жыл бұрын

Ok, but the focus is not in the same place, looks like Canon has shallower DOF which is impossible, so that means your focus is in front more than Zeiss in most of the examples, or maybe the camera is not in the exact same spot. Some people will think it is that soft, but it is really not when you look at the brick wall..

85 mm brother 😎

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

They are both 85mm lenses, so that doesn’t help me

Gush.... Except Canon's soap bubble bokeh vs Zeiss' onion cut bokeh, Zeiss is SOOOOO MUCH better! I say, when money not an issue, choice is very obviously clear.

@DustinAbbottTWI

5 жыл бұрын

The Otus pretty much stands alone. It's exceptional.

Otus VS Sigma Art? 🤗

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

This series isn’t really about the 85 ART, which I already did a lot of comparisons with during my review of that lens (including a bit of Otus)

Sorry but I see little point in this review, if you believe a Tamron can trash the new Canon L lens why waste time comparing it to the class leader?

@jamesmarko1787

6 жыл бұрын

Has he done a review with the Tamron 85 vs the Zeiss 85? The Tamron seems to have just as much contrast and sharpness.

@chrisrout1654

6 жыл бұрын

Probably in the next review with all of them

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Mike, first of all I didn’t conclude that the Tamron “trashes” the 85L IS. Secondly, as I said at the beginning of this review, I was responding to people making false claims about what an Otus lens was actually like. This review was really about showing how special (and why) an Otus lens is, and also a little about showing how it is impractical for most shooters.

I'd like to watch a show you dp :)

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks

buy the canon, rent the zeiss ... 😄

@DustinAbbottTWI

Жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea, really.

At the end it all goes to canon because of IS and autofocus.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

It’s definitely the most practical choice.

hi dear tell about the outs model lens fake info, not working properly don't buy, waste of money thank q

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

???

Great review Dustin, but the Zeiss cost 4,500.00 compared to Canon at 1,500.00.....I do not see any real world Zeiss bettering the Canon for that kind of money.......Does the Zeiss come with a microscope?....Thats a joke!

@rajindergill9480

6 жыл бұрын

The cost was made clear from the start, as was the reason the comparison was made. People were saying the Canon is as good as the Otus.

@testthewest123

6 жыл бұрын

It is a phenomenon you will find in nearly any good or service. The last percents towards perfection start to cost increasingly more, often going exponential with their costs. In some way this has to be like that, otherwise why would anybody not buy perfection, if it just costed 5% more than 95% perfection? So calling this a joke is uncalled for, I'd say it is somewhat naive to expect something different, especially if you consider that you should have encountered this already in any other product/service. At least Zeiss actually delievers. If you watched the other reviews of the 85L, you wonder why this lens has to be 1500$ at all. If anything, it is the Canon that is overpriced.

@howardkahn717

6 жыл бұрын

English must not be your first language because you totally missed my point......Oh, i am sorry, i authored the language but you know better.....Smile.....

@rajindergill9480

6 жыл бұрын

More assumptions.

@howardkahn717

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, and i am one of them......."More assumptions".......Smile........You guys should use a competent translator before you embarrass yourselves in another language......my inner feelings tells me same guy different screen name.....smile

hahahahaha who ever said that this Canon is close to the mighty Otus 85 is either acting stupid or is really stupid, they have no clue what they talking about or what are they comparing between. I can say with confidence that there is not a single lens that can beat Otus 85 1.4, and when it comes to image quality it is simply beyond perfection.

@DustinAbbottTWI

6 жыл бұрын

I think that's mostly a matter of people repeating something they've heard someone else say, as, frankly, few people have actually used an Otus.

@MtRevDr

3 жыл бұрын

@@DustinAbbottTWI - Yes, some like to boast of what they have. There are many elements in IQ that different would like. So, many horrible pictures are loved by many horrible people. They suit them. So, in many cases it is not what lens is best, but instead, what IQ delights what kind of souls. Thanks for your review. The data is important for comparison. I would use the data you provide to select tools for particular purpose and expression. Selling pictures is very much a matter of selling to certain taste. Of course some have terrible taste who love terrible pictures.

I’ll buy the canon over this overpriced Otus

@DustinAbbottTWI

4 жыл бұрын

That’s probably the consensus choice for most buyers.