I remember a time when we could build our own state-of-the-art aircraft, and it didn't take decades to procure. Sad they couldn't at least have built it here.

@brustar5152

2 жыл бұрын

No kidding! A succesion of stupid fed gov's have driven a stake through the heart of Canadian innovation/manufacture!

@jaquigreenlees

2 жыл бұрын

Canada does have aircraft manufacturing, the SaR issue is they are older designs. Viking Air in Victoria BC bought the rights for all DeHavilland aircraft when DeHavilland shut down that part of their operations. Currently they only produce the Twin Otter turboprop, which is slower and has less range but has 2 advantages over the chosen aircraft: 1) floats are an option for any Twin Otter searching near bodies of water and 2) They are a short take off or landing aircraft. This means the Twin Otter can land near the victims and take off again, can be stationed in smaller airfields and be searching sooner in larger numbers for less money.

@JohnHill-qo3hb

2 жыл бұрын

Canada's procurement problem is that there are far too many channel of input. The process need to be trimmed back to those who use, those who give the thumbs up, those who pay, those who supply, no more than that.

@stingingmetal9648

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnHill-qo3hb Exactly. We also need a new template for a Task Force tailored to Canada's domestic needs, and supported with unmanned ships.

@556to762

Жыл бұрын

Canada didn’t stop the skill lose in aviation industry particularly the research and design of high end civilian or military stuff. In my opinion even if you can’t build or design the best in the world you should still keep having problem to build so of your own stuff. That way at least you have the ability to retain some form of that industry and this skilled worker. Instead we keep losing them to us and France and uk.

I’m no sar tec, but I do have my para wings and I grew up in comox, on many occasions I have Been in the Buffalo, and I think that gives me the right to comment. I don’t think this aircraft is as good as the Buffalo. You need the headroom on both sides of the fuselage to conduct search and rescue, side door exits and most importantly first aid. The Buffalo had a square body that allowed this. Viking aviation out of Victoria bc offered to re engine and re design the Buffalo and I think that would have been a better option, Canadian jobs and local tech as well as no service gap. Just my two cents.

@brianb-p6586

2 жыл бұрын

It would have been nice to see another de Havilland Canada aircraft as the replacement, but it's not clear that Viking / Longview (now De Havilland Aircraft of Canada again) would have delivered the required million hours of engineering development any faster than the Italians... if ever.

@hugh9park

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 I think you should read my comment again. Viking aviation, already is re engineering dehavilland aircraft. It would have been way faster to give the Buffalo a rebuild. The Buffalo already had all the capabilities needed. Viking would have tuned it up and returned it to zero hours in the same way bassler does dc3’s. Viking is incredible.

@brianb-p6586

2 жыл бұрын

@@hugh9park I understand that Viking is quite capable of building and updating the old de Havilland designs, but they haven't updated the DHC-5 Buffalo for any application, let alone meeting the current SAR spec. They've been talking about doing it for a long time, but haven't actually done anything - you couldn't buy one from them today no matter how much money you waved around. Getting the DHC-6 Twin Otter back in production and updating the avionics on the CL-415 were good work, but that sort of program is way short of meeting requirements for a federal government SAR aircraft procurement program; it would have been great to see them do it, but it's not at all clear that they could have successfully done so. A "zero-timed" antique is not the same as a new modern aircraft.

@hugh9park

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 I am sure they could have done this in less time then it took the federal government to procure the kingfisher. And it would have been a fraction of the cost. But I will say casa has a good reputation and a god relationship with the western world. I myself have jumped from casa’s I’m the past. I would just much prefer domestic. That’s my two cents. I will however argue that a “zero hour antique” is a very limited term. The twin otter is unparalleled, so is the turbo beaver. And there is a reason turbo dc3’s are still being built. They are twice as old as unparalleled. The kingfisher still lacks in rough landing capabilities that the Buffalo has due to its landing gear. And that’s very important when you are rescuing natives that were huffing gas out of klemtu or Bella Bella.

@brianb-p6586

2 жыл бұрын

@@hugh9park Okay, but Viking would have had to work with federal government procurement, so it would not have been fast and may never have successfully completed. We both would have prefered to see them do it, rather an a foreign supplier. A zero-time antique is still an antique - it wouldn't meet the requirements of a new design, even it it would be better in some specific aspects.

As a search and rescue technician, I can not believe this

That picture book gag is excellent 🤣

I'm glad Canada is out there to make the UK's absolutely AWFUL Defence procurement purchases look a little more streamlined! Truly amazing how both nations spend more buying less.

@ronniefarnsworth6465

2 жыл бұрын

?????

@spurgear4

2 жыл бұрын

We are shit at buying aircraft.

@ronniefarnsworth6465

2 жыл бұрын

@@spurgear4 Yup, must change the Government !!!!!!!!

@HMSDaring1

2 жыл бұрын

@@spurgear4 Hey so are we!!!

@spurgear4

2 жыл бұрын

@@HMSDaring1 Pay twice as much, get half what you asked for. I did 21 years airforce and 10 years working for a military subcontractor on the Cormorant project. A black hole of money eating doom.

Amazing! As a fellow Canadian I really like your work. Keep it up good sir !!

We invented the telephone, the Canadarm, the variable pitch propeller, the pacemaker, the G-suit (okay, fine, the Avro Arrow), and the the walkie talkie, but we'll buy the next search and rescue plane?

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

We invented the walkie talkie? Nice

Hurts my Canadian heart to see us outsourcing our own aircraft

That Hercules looked suspiciously like a C17.

@maggiel.516

2 жыл бұрын

I came looking for this comment. You should get a prize.

Looks like the youtube algorithm has blessed you! Just found your vids and binging em lol. Learned a lot about Canada’s newest procurements thanks to you. Cheers buddy. Subbed 👍

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thank you for your support. Appreciate it!

Good video, and for all that have served THANK YOU for your service. I only can say this...anyone who puts their life at risk to save another is a true professional and deserves the best equipment our nation can provide. Unique.

We should have just hired viking to make new buffalos with the added tech. Made in Canada and maintained previous capabilities. The new aircraft can't land in the short airstrips the buff used to be able to. Canadian procurement is so terribly broken.

@crowfoote

2 жыл бұрын

@@PershingOfficial they are being handed out to scarecrows

I just found your channel. I love it, please keep up the good work champ. Can’t wait for more future videos.

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Awe i love this channel! And Yes i think having a better funded and equipped aircraft in Search and Rescue, should be a given!

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Awesome of you to say!

I worked on the sensor package (specifically the EO/IR turret) which ironically is the only part of the aircraft built in Canada.

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Well you got the one piece then. Thats awesome.

@oilersman95

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrontlinePros It's pretty cool tech. I can't share more than you mentioned unfortunately because 90% of the tech has "NATO Secret" clearance. But it's definitely a sweet package.

It’s about time we got something new

Fantastic video, FP!

Thank You for explaining so well

Nice looking aircraft, I am not sure how it will withstand the limited clearance between the pod underneath the fuselage and the runway. How will this stand up to the landings and take offs in undeveloped airstrips in the North. Such as gravel, dirt and grass runways. I can see the pod on the underbelly being all beat up from rocks and debris. We had similar problems with the Buffalo and the clearance was much more.

The costs here are mind blowing, india is buying 56 of them (40 to be made in India) for ~$2bn USD, Canada seems to be paying a huge amount

@jameson1239

Жыл бұрын

Probably due to us having a track record of cancelling orders we have already paid for

@alpearson9158

Жыл бұрын

Canada includes life time expected costs into all such purchases most others do not . for example the price being bandied about for the f-35 is about 215 million per not the 90 plus cost of the aircraft alone

Looks well thought out. The center of gravity issue and parachuting in flight are problematic. I would assume medics will have to jump out to reach the injured where as with a chopper they are lowered. Will be interesting to see how well it does moving forward. Cheers 🇨🇦

Beautiful plane and it will definitely serve us well… if we ever get them. But I must say it’s got big shoes to fill, the buffalo was a true Canadian workhorse. 55 years of service is testament to its resilience. If only Canada could get it together to build these birds domestically.

Super interesting video as always, nice work ! And congrats on 3k !

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate it.

@gaellemee1423

2 жыл бұрын

@@FrontlinePros np :)

14 YEARS????!!!!! I have to hand it to the Canadian Government, they really do make UK defence procurement look like an efficient well oiled machine!

@alpearson9158

Жыл бұрын

begining to evaluate long before needed is not a weak point

They are still working out the issues. Looking at the past experience that will take another 10 years.

Now they're down one Cormorant after the post maintenance crash. in Gander.

I love my country. We fear equipment modernization as much as we fear our own capacity to get lost in our vast wilderness.

Can’t wait to see this boi at the Abbotsford Airshow on the future

@7:03, that's a C-17 not a herc... you can tell by the lack of props. ;-)

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

The Herc mention didn't make the script but the clip did.

@bigbrobrewster

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to comment on that too. And so agree, lack of props, and the distinctive bulbous nose. HAHA. Not to mention the huge size difference between the two.

I'm pretty sure that the Flight Engineer position was replaced by an Airborne Electronic Sensor Operator. It's a different trade.

@austinfernandes7224

2 ай бұрын

Ya man. Training rn and hoping to be placed on it

The Canadian air force really wanted the superior C-27j.

By the time the first one takes flight, the design will be already 20 y.o. And they expect the frame to last at least 26 years. This is as bad as the new Canadian Surface Combatant for the RCN; almost 17 years in development with at least 7 to 10 more for finalizing the design and build the first one. Gotta love Canada’s procurement system.

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Surface Combatant is meant for frontline combat, so I agree. But a friggin transport plane? What new pathbreaking stuff is coming up in this vertical in the next 20 years? Even India is manufacturing this plane starting from 2025 onwards only.

I figure we will have these aircraft in service after they have finished getting the Voodoo's re-engined

I'm a new fan of your channel watching from Michigan.

and now, they are planning on using them as Freighters.. we are using C130J in Trenton, and C130H Models on to coasts for SAR until a replacement can be found

Hilariously serious ! Seriously hilarious ? ‘Merican here, always loved that red & yellow livery. Looks like you’re gonna love all that new technology / capability. Hope you don’t have to wait too long.

2.4 billion, good work

The 295 is a joke of an aircraft that will be used as a case study for what is broken in our procurement system. It is likely that it will never be usable as a SAR platform due to many deficiencies. This platform is not designed to operate in the north and is slow it has no APU so it can't operate from remote bases. The RCAF should have got more J model hercs and called it a day.

@jameson1239

2 жыл бұрын

C-130J is overkill the C-27 would have worked

@victorandhannahweston6295

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameson1239 the C27 is a pretty nice looking aircraft and it is being used in the roll we are planning for it, however I think the benifits of a single fleet outweigh the costs of a bigger aircraft. They do have a lot of similar components I'm not sure you could draw from the same fleet of techs to work on each aircraft or if there would be cross training required. Bigger fleets tend to lower the overall fixed costs of operating per flight hour.

@jameson1239

2 жыл бұрын

@@criticalevent I mean it’s used in Finland snow isn’t the major issue it’s the fact SARTECHS can’t jump out of the back due to aerodynamic issues

@timpeterson2738

2 жыл бұрын

Well, just ask who's relatives pockets are getting lined as per liberal standard operating procedures. Some things never change. Cons are no better; that's true too. Why do politicians f every purchase up.

@matthewq4b

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameson1239 The C130J is over kill BUT it is more capable and can be cross used for other applications if need be, plus the RCAF already operates the type, it and it would be cheaper in the long run without having to have another supply chain for another aircraft type. This is the typical short sightedness when the Liberals do procurement..

I LOVE the Buffalo!!!! I hope they keep them around in museums, maybe restore one to flight worthy... They are one of a kind, and AWESOME at airshows!!!! It's sad that canada cant build a suitable replacement. We used to have an aerospace industry, good times...

@dpforth

2 жыл бұрын

Restore to flight worthy? They're still in use out here.

@gnashings

2 жыл бұрын

@@dpforth the video was discussing their retirement due to airframe hours running out

@dpforth

2 жыл бұрын

@@gnashings I retired out of 442 Sqn a while ago but AFAIK parts availability is the main issue. One was flying 2 or 3 weeks ago.

@gnashings

2 жыл бұрын

@@dpforth I don't think they said they're not flying, but that that will get retired with no time left on the airframes. That's why I said I hope they're restored. Perhaps cwh , it's such an awesome iconic plane. But if you say it's posts availability, who am I to argue. Either way I hope they're preserved

@EdmontonRails

10 ай бұрын

We could have, the company that holds rights to DeHavilland Canada aircraft offered to build new DHC-5s with modernized cockpits and engines but the offer was refused by our clown show of a government.

Too bad that they couldn't have awarded this to a Canadian aviation company...

@RLTtizME

2 жыл бұрын

Just be thankful Trudeau didn't give it to the Chinese.

@rangerrick8220

2 жыл бұрын

@@RLTtizME Bet if you look deep enough he awarded it to some company where his family / friends get a kickback...

It's a shame that we were once world leaders in aircraft design, and now simply writing "cheques". I am curious did they canvas all SAR Specialists during initial procurement.

Glad my vote on the 'name' poll counted :)

Nice aircraft but couldn't we build our own ?

@n74wilson33

Жыл бұрын

With China's BFF as Prime Minister. Trudeau hates Canada.

Hey, it actually comes with mechanics that can fix them too! About time, and the new training digs in Comox looks good. WhoHoo Retire the old Buffalo just like the Caribou The guys in 407 squadron were a good bunch/ ready to tackle any problem with limited aircraft. I was assigned to the base ( weapons ) but attached to 409 Sqd. Voodoo's Had a couple of hair-raising rides with the Buffalo. S/R operation YIKES that was scary low down over the bush!

It's about time.

my cousin joe is in charge of Canadian procurement for the military he has my dream job and seems more concerned about spare parts rather than how good a piece of kit is.

The government should've at least heard out viking air, when they said they had ideas as an upgraded cc 115 with the pw150 engine

That's Going To Be One Hell Of A Beautiful And Useful Plane. Please Work Hard On Getting Them Home As Soon As Possible And Get Them Into Service To Rescue And Help People In This Country And Also Abroad Like We as Canadian Do All The Time. Our Air Force Boys Need And Require The Best To Be Able To Perform There Job Properly And Safely.

Lol, I worked on the Buffalo in Trenton Ontario, great airplane used at its maximum capability and hard to believe it is still flying

well............thats going to have to last us 50 years

At the 7:00 minute make you identify a jet powered aircraft as a Herc?

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Herc clip made it in but the mention from the script did not :(

There is at least 1 maybe more kingfishers at Winnipegs airbase, I’ve seen at least 1 on radar taxiing around Richard airport.

Sadly now they are saying that this aircraft may not be operational until 2023 or 2024 due to the ramp and a potential center of gravity issue.

@Servedmycountrywhathaveyoudone

2 жыл бұрын

Try more like 2030-2031… 😭perks of having procurement Canada choosing for the military…

@regregan6852

2 жыл бұрын

How does everyone else around the world use their C-295s? What exactly is so special about these particular versions??

@caralferalvafer1534

8 ай бұрын

Hay envidieja, eh?, y como escuece, ufffffff, joder...

Canada’s procurement process seems to be torturous

@adrianwintle5284

2 жыл бұрын

The word is "broken".

Except the whole 295 project is completely off the rails and will likely need to be scrapped as there is no end in sight for the technical problems.

I know one the Pilots. They have been getting ready for the new boards for 2 years now!

like, how difficult is it to spec out a SAR plane?

After flying on the Buff for many years, I thought I knew my way around the SAR planes pretty good. I see that I was wrong. I always thought the Herc was prop driven but I see at about the 8 min7te mark that they have jet engines like the C17.

The most surprising for me is that the C295 is the replacement for the C212, which also was the replacement of the DHC-4 Caribou.

"The flu that must not be named."

good video... my only complaint, when you said Hercules aircraft at 7:00, it was a Globemaster, so a bit confusing.

The scariest thing about this is that the new defense minister came from pwgsc to her new portfolio so I certainly hope that she brings more urgency to her post than her predecessor

@alpearson9158

Жыл бұрын

figured it out yet?

Project is facing delays and will probably be restarted as GOC picked the least qualified aircraft and is having lots of problems

We still use knots, feet, pounds in aviation. I think it'd be more appropriate (less confusion) if you can stick with that at least for aircraft related videos.

@mikepotter5718

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. It would be better for aviation to ditch the out of date measurement system.

@flick22601

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikepotter5718 - The nautical mile, unlike the statute mile, is based on the mathematical division of latitude. It makes navigation far more simple than any metric or imperial system. The knot represents the number of nautical miles traveled in an hour.

@harrymattah418

2 жыл бұрын

@@flick22601 Middle age units.

@flick22601

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrymattah418 - And still the best units for today. The U.S. Navy quit teaching celestial navigation at one time and a ship was lost when the power went out and all the modern equipment quit working. They reinstated it into their curriculum.

@harrymattah418

2 жыл бұрын

@@flick22601 Go on, and switch to babylonian sexagesimal counting. You will be up to date.

I found you video because I was looking for the Kingfishers of the Knights of Solamnia from the Dragonlance setting of D&D. I was a passenger on a Spartan in 2011 during my military service for the U.S. Army. I have no idea if it was an American aircraft or not🤔

@ctwentysevenj6531

2 жыл бұрын

The C-27j Spartan is an Italian designed and built aircraft.

i have been folowing this saga, for a long , long and long time in your documentary, one of the most complete i ever saw bravo, theres are a lot of recherche in it, thnaks to mentionante our procurment system witch it is political affected but thanks to publish the 3 zones, for SAR, first impression, that was at the begening of the programe, the c295, to big, to expensive for Wst coast aera, not enought leg for the central zone, (up to the north) and just enough for eastern zone but you have said, it ss manoeuvrable at slow speed, for west cost, will it be ok for maintain aera ?

Canada's Air Force: Destined to Become Old an Obsolete?

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

Destiny fulfilled?

how do you get a transport plane you call a bird of prey ?

The Will Smith "shut your mouth " comment didn't age well.....less than ten days! Lol 😆 😆 😆

Go Canada..Canada strong.

It will Never be as good as the C-130 Herc !!!!

7:02 you state "Hercules aircraft" and show a C-17 Globemaster

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct. I meant to show all 3 airframes and it didn't make the cut.

@maccarr9923

2 жыл бұрын

I just thought that was an intentional meme

Canadas aviation industry and cost is a drag.

It was a political purchase, no one asked what SARtechs actually needed. "Capt Jacobson also agrees that the SAR Techs are going to be inconvenienced. The height/diameter of the fuselage of the CASA is way too short!! Have you ever been in the back of the Buffalo when 3 SARTECHs are trying to maneuver around one another once they have all their jump kit on? Each guy is carrying 265 lbs of extra kit and they have to be able to step around one another when they’re preparing to jump. There’s barely enough room in the Buffalo and its ceiling is a good 8 to 9’. The CASA only has about 6’, therefore any SARTECH trying to work back there will be forced to be permanently bent at the waist… this will undoubtedly lead to long-term back ailments for anyone who’s 5’10” and taller. Most of the SARTECHs are near the 6’ mark, so I really feel for them. To me, this small fuselage should’ve ruled out this aircraft as a contender, period."

Hahaha. 11 year service contract - started counting down in 2016 - and we have only taken possession of 4 aircraft. 2024 we get all the machines - when 8/11 years service contract has expired. Got it - so, we’re on our own - for many years to come - before these machines can provide any assistance.

Why don't they keep the side windows in and just shut the shades? As a crew, I'd appreciate to look out every now and then during downtime (like the military transport version), more eyes to look out, and maybe even repurpose the frame when needed?

I spoke to an ex_Hurc pilot and he stated they are having problems with this plane....and it hasn't even entered service yet!! Where is it???

2.4 billion for 16 aircraft? Did I hear that right?

@death_parade

Жыл бұрын

Canada is buying 16 of these for $2.4B, off-the-shelf, meanwhile India is buying 62 of these for $2.5B while also manufacturing all but 16 of them locally.

WOW!! Very nice & sophisticated SAR type aircraft!! Canada you are so lucky to have these awesome aircraft coming on line over the next few years!! Down here in New Zealand we are still using P-3??? Orion's in a multi role maritime border patrol & SAR in the vastness of the Southern Oceans. These P3/s (I think NZ acquired 5) were originally purchased in the mid 1960/s (yeah that's right & not a mis print) & whilst they are a great aircraft as well & have been upgraded over the years, however they are well past their use-by date & therefore it really is time to ditch them!! With pleasure I can say that we do have a delivery of three (3) I think that number is correct of the new Boeing Poseidon however that miserable number won't go far when servicing, break downs etc are taken into account plus the Poseidon was not designed primarily as a SAR aircraft. Typical NZ government & always on the penny pinching side irrespective of what party is in power as we have so many useless bastards sitting on their fat pay cheques in the so called House of Representatives (yeah right) & if they thought they could use Tiger Moths for the job they'd happily do so!! We could really do with some proper specialist long range SAR aircraft like the new Canadian Kingfisher, kool name & so appropriate with it's association to it's long intending patrols over vast oceanic areas of off shore Canada!! Well done indeed Canada!!! (as per usual)

@dalemartell8639

2 жыл бұрын

So are we. CP140 is the P3

@alpearson9158

Жыл бұрын

@@dalemartell8639 except far more modernized and much younger airframes.

Diseñado en España. Se han construido 300 aviones C-295. Avion muy seguro.

Next the helicopter needs to be up geraded next.

How does this aircraft compare to the Buffalos STOL capabilities? What was wrong with the Buffalo design that it needed to be replaced. Why could Buffalo and caribou aircraft not continue to be produced. And upgraded.

What is the aircraft anyway? First I have heard of it.

4:42 that's a C-27J Spartan cockpit

@FrontlinePros

2 жыл бұрын

oh your right, it was mislabeled. I need an editing team.

Are single shot military rifles still the vogue in Canada?

Its to bad the King Fisher couldn't have been built in Canada instead of Spain!

Great plane, not the worst decision

C130J models would have been a better choice.

how exactly are they planning to get the survivors into their plane tho?

@brianb-p6586

2 жыл бұрын

Fixed-wing SAR aircraft obviously don't pick up people from places that they can't land. Their functions are to find people and to deliver SAR techs and equipment or supplies.

I remember when the army sent green helicopters to search for someone. It was very confusing.

all believe it when it here and when its start doing that SAR MISSION other wise I m dont think it will be on time and former coast guard auxiliary Victoria BC and awesome video and still taking to long to get it here

Is it based of the CASA 235?

@chesty1369

2 жыл бұрын

AH I see its based on the 295...didnt know they quit making the 235.

Funny the SAR techs (cheezies) cannot get to the search locations by themselves, they require a crew of pilots, nav's, FE's, loadies, ground crew, admin pers, vehicle techs, cooks and a whole lot of other members before the cheezies even jump out of the plane/helicopter. So the specialist require a lot of other professionals before the SAR weenies even get on board.

@jameson1239

Жыл бұрын

Ok and? That’s the same with every other unit

I sincerely believe that all airbus customers are in the same conditions of delayed orders due to a certain flu. I hope that now that we are getting out of that contingency, the technicians and mechanics who build those aircraft that are so vital for the rescue can put an end to these aircraft.

Surely Viking could re life the Buffalo The decision makers need to get Aeroplanes in a Row . You really need some SAR Super J's

ATAK!

was the plane made in Indonesia...?

Did any Vaseline come with that acquisition program?

Everyone knows that Canadians' orders get fulfilled last, because you're all just too damn polite! That said, a support window that started as soon as the order was in and before the planes were in service? That's a step too far!

offered contract in 2016? is it not 2022? oh man.