nice try, but the human eye can't even see more than 24%

@Epitome_

14 күн бұрын

Lol actual good one

@pirx9798

13 күн бұрын

Much less the 5 ghz or so

@shmookins

13 күн бұрын

You forgot about the human nose. That's an easy +7% right there.

@silfrido1768

13 күн бұрын

Skill issue 🤷🏼

@azamatshaimyerdyen6037

13 күн бұрын

U must be joking I guess, your eyes will see literally every part of it on pc including gaming and faster render, faster calculation, installation etc. Every tech person knows ipc is always priority on servers and pc, I guess except you

Single Fred, Multi Fred - gets me every time! 😄

@HankBaxter

12 күн бұрын

😂

the thing is before zen their cpus were so bad that when they finally woke up they got a 52% ipc boost and then the cpus become good so now they cant get more than 20% coz their cpus are not bad anymore

Lets hope for the best regarding Zen 5 !

@socialenigma4476

14 күн бұрын

Hope for the best and expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed!

@auritro3903

13 күн бұрын

Let's hope for the best from both amd and intel. Don't want a monopoly happening from either company again.

@Kyush4

13 күн бұрын

shall we?

Still blows my mind that the AMD and Nvida are run by the same family

Zen 5 is technically capable of 50% more integer operations per clock cycle and 100% more floating point operations per clock cycle in very idealized situations. Real-world applications will not see increases that extreme. Perhaps the discrepancy in the quoted IPC increases is just due to different people quoting its IPC increase in different applications. You need to look at a broad suite of applications to get a robust average.

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

median, average and shit

@Q36BN

10 күн бұрын

True, and like I said in another comment, ZEN4 achieved +39% in wPrime, +32% in Dolphin emulator... as seen on 14:02 So i don't see why ZEN5 couldn't achieve similar or even better results for reasons you specified...

I skipped Zen4 and definitely updating to Zen5. Intel is done

@RGMUFC1

13 күн бұрын

I'm skipping Zen 4 and Zen 5. Zen 6 will be the chosen one. By then i hope they gonna fix all bugs they have with AM5 motherboards and if AMD will release RX 9000 series GPUs, then i'm full set with R7 11800x3D and RX 9800XT 🙌

@pirx9798

13 күн бұрын

I got zen4 because I can upgrade to zen5 ;)

@DM-ei6oo

13 күн бұрын

Not so fast. They have done a lot of effort to correct their huge mistakes.

@Dave-dh7rt

13 күн бұрын

@@DM-ei6oowhat huge mistakes?

@DM-ei6oo

13 күн бұрын

@@Dave-dh7rt intel calling a process enhancement a generation. Think 10nM+++++

30% in some applications but the average will be 10-15% or slightly higher if AMD is lucky. It's the average number people are thinking about

I'm more interested in Strix point on laptops. The idea of reasonable gaming without a very expensive GPU is a nice one.

@Violet-ui

13 күн бұрын

It's a very expensive apu instead

@OtherTheDave

13 күн бұрын

I’m interested in it on desktop! Strix Point Halo looks like it’ll probably meet my short-term GPU and CPU needs while I wait for RDNA 5 and Zen 6 to come out in I think probably a year and a half.

@Violet-ui

13 күн бұрын

@@OtherTheDave not possible on desktop

@l3v1ckUK

13 күн бұрын

@@Violet-ui That will depend on final pricing. It'll have to be cheaper than a CPU + low/mid GPU, or no one with buy it.

@Violet-ui

13 күн бұрын

@@l3v1ckUK they can make it for less but I guarantee you they will not sell it for less quad channel memory and a very good CPU as well as exceptional AI performance will make it a high end product only unfortunately

Got a 5800X3D atm with a 7900XTX and I've avoided Zen 4 because the total upgrade cost is too high despite the chance of a avg 22% increase in fps rates between Zen 3 and 4. Now I'm not deluding myself that Zen 5 will bring 30% fps increase, maybe 15% as Tom leaked ages ago but coupled together with the measured 22% HUB measured 3800X vs 5800X if it's going to result in a 30% fps increase then yeah it's be worth the full platform jump, I'd go B650 of B750 and whatever RAM is fast and reasonably priced and wait for the X3D chips as well. That's probably make the total cost around £500-750 depending on the circumstances and options I do go for. I've no plans to upgrade my GPU till at LEAST RDNA5 so the next desired upgrade is my monitor as my 6 year old 3840 x 1080p panel is starting to look it's age. Could opt for the 1440P 49" 240Hz but the Pimax Crystal light is looking very interesting at $699 for 2880 per eye or 5760 x 2880 but again I's want to try VR before dumping £5-700 on it as I've never had the chance to date. So for now I'm sticking to the skip 1 gen for both CPU and GPU and offsetting them as well plus 5-7 years before a monitor switch. Should mean an upgrade every 1-2 years and bigger benefits at each one.. Just makes more sense than upgrading every generation for 10-15%...

@kenshirogenjuro873

13 күн бұрын

It’s not like the 5800X3D is a slouch. It’s debatably the GOAT gaming CPU release. And just being real, it really doesn’t feel much behind a 7800X3D as far as the subjective experience in most people’s real world systems is concerned. The other thing is waiting for motherboards releasing with Zen 5 may lead to fewer concessions and/or complications for Zen 6. People think it’s a conspiracy if AMD has difficulty ensuring full compatibility between all the generations and motherboards on a single socket, but the pragmatic reality is AMD can’t predict the future as far as how available memory evolves, and they don’t have absolute control of every last decision every AIB makes to hit their price points.

@Cheeseypoofs85

13 күн бұрын

and that 22% is at 1920x1080

@SRS13Rastus

13 күн бұрын

@@kenshirogenjuro873 Too true and it's why I decided when I had my 2700X to skip at least 1 generation each upgrade. With the prices of GPU's getting silly I chose to split the upgrades up year 1 GPU year 2 CPU then repeat but only if absolutely necessary, i,e, if the games I'm playing are averaging out at above my monitors refresh rate why bother? it'll only be wasted performance as the display can't keep up (or power being saved if I turn on V-Sync), in that scenario that's when I'll look at a monitor upgrade as I am just now. With the 5800X3D and 7900XTX all watercooled I'm getting 130 lows upto 330fps in my current goto game AMS2 the average is in the 200-250 range on my 3840 x 1080p 144Hz monitor, with prices as they are atm I'm considering the 240Hz 1440P version or MAYBE the Pimax Crystal light VR headset as the monitor I'm looking at is ~£1000 whilst the Pimax comes in at ~£550-650 inc taxes and import duty. Only caveat to that is I seriously need to try VR out before I buy as I don't know anyone with a VR headset and I'm rural so it'll be a day trip to try it and see if I'm unlucky enough to suffer motion sickness in any way. So I'll maybe wait a year after the Zen5 X3D parts arrive if I go for the monitor or VR route, then the CPU bundle and then after that it's look at RDNA5.

@SRS13Rastus

13 күн бұрын

@@Cheeseypoofs85 Yeah but 1080P is the CPU bottlenecked rather than the GPU I've not gone 1440p yet let alone 4K though it's on the cards. So waiting 2 gens will only increase the uplift vs what I have and even at 1440p or 4K I'll still get a decent double digit increase. Though the Pimax Crystal Light has grabbed my attention with 2880 x 2880 per eye or 5760 x 2880 and 110 degree FOV for $699 or £650-700 inc import duty, then keep the current monitor for any games that don't support VR, got no intention of being a VR snob, seriously don't wanna be THAT guy lol!

@blkspade23

13 күн бұрын

@@kenshirogenjuro873There were a collective number of reasons for compatibility to be questionable on AM4. Small BIOS ROMs, irreversible updates removing support for older CPUs and more components on boards that would effect memory support. All these things are different with AM5 and DDR5. The power management for DDR5 is integrated into the module now, removing a degree of variance between board support. AMD mandated larger ROMs and BIOS flashback support as standard with AM5 boards. There are far less avenues for compatibility roadblocks this time around.

In short, no!

Currently at 5900x and looking to upgrade to 9800x3d if zen6 is confirmed to be also on am5. Otherwise might still wait for zen6 right away. Playing at 4k 144hz (cpu limit in Star Citizen, Cyberpunk...it happens even more in newer games and simulation heavy games, so its the x3d zen5 im eyeing for sure

is Lovelace still going to be 300% faster than Ampere???

@koczaioandaniel4014

13 күн бұрын

yes, and you need a north or a south pole to cool it

@Safetytrousers

13 күн бұрын

@@koczaioandaniel4014 The overkill enromous coolers for the 4090 probably were made so they didn't have to redisign if the generation onwards ran at higher watts.

@koczaioandaniel4014

13 күн бұрын

@@Safetytrousers i don't care what nvidia plan was, but if i need a triple xxl power supply to run "the next gen" video card, i will say pass

@kazansky22

13 күн бұрын

4090% faster

@MattJDylan

13 күн бұрын

Username doesn't check out 🤔

I think Zen 6 will be worth waiting for

@paulturner9958

13 күн бұрын

Looks like its Zen 9 we are going to wait for

@DM-ei6oo

13 күн бұрын

@@paulturner9958 exactly

@winnb4968

13 күн бұрын

Same was said about Zen 4 with the new AM5. Zen 6 = AM6 (never buy the first generation). Buy the 2nd generation like 2nd of AM5 = Zen 5. Like 2nd generation of AM6 which will be Zen 7.

@Mr11ESSE111

13 күн бұрын

zen 15

Hey Paul, thank you for the clarification about the various factors of performance gaining. I guess many of us lose sight of cpu complexity. I'm still running an overclocked Ryzen 5950X and I am quiet fine with it. But I strongly consider to upgrade to a Zen 5 system - most likely Strix.

*Hey Paul! Strix Halo (AM5 desktop APUs) look phenomenal. 40 CU actually puts the iGPU at the level of the AMD 6750 XT performance. Which is not the 4070. It is the RTX 4060. But it's still insanely powerful!!* *The problem is that ray tracing is strong on RTX technology, so AMD ray tracing is still heavily not supported in many games. ie: Minecraft (including Kelly's RTX) and many other titles that are greatly popular.*

@kognak6640

13 күн бұрын

AM5 Strix halo is from fantasy land. It won't exist.

Currently running a 9400f so i'm looking forward to upgrade to Zen 5, it will all depends on price honestly, i especially expect 3 to 4 times more frames on the certain games i play, actually the only reason i wanna upgrade in the first place is because me lagging in games, the rest are just extras (faster sony vegas rendering too probably).

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

AMD doesn't make budget CPU since the 3100X, you might as well get an Arrow Lake midrange CPU(U5 245F), will probably be $50 cheaper than AMD's midrange(R5 9600X). $250 to $300.

@thevaultsup

8 күн бұрын

@@MaxIronsThird I'm not looking for a budget cpu, i'm looking the best, and the best will be the 9800x, which will then get replaced by the v-cache variant, hell maybe i'll just end up with a 7800x3D if it's discounted enough,i could still upgrade to a Zen 6 if needed later on

I think you are on point this time. There could be decent gains in certain areas. But there's not much reason for chip to miraculously run much faster in every metric simply looking at current manufacturing options. Looking forward to independent thorough tests. Cautiously optimistic. Depending on the pricing, next gen progress and release dates, the best next gen gaming CPU may turn out to be... 7800X3D. Reduced pricing, no AI nonsense, etc. Maybe.

Prices at the grocery store are keeping me on AM4.

I am currently on a gaming laptop with 3060. Im going to upgrade at the end of the year to a 5090 and Granite Ridge with a new AM5 motherboard, side question - Are these new boards going to be announced at Computex along with the rest?

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

boards are already available

Ryzen 5950x on an x570 platform board. So yes I plan to upgrade a month or two after release as long as there are no glaring issues with the new boards/chips. Ill give this board/cpu/some ram to a less fortunate friend who could make use of it.

How does this usually go? Select benchmarks yes, across the board no, overall somewhere in between 0 and 30%

@kenshirogenjuro873

14 күн бұрын

One thing that has come up a few times from a few different sources without any contesting claims is the non-3D v-cache 9000 series chips will match and possibly even outperform the 7000-series 3D v-cache chips, in much the same way as vanilla 7000-series chips ended up matching the 5800X3D in gaming. I’ll be more than happy with exactly this.

@benjaminlynch9958

13 күн бұрын

The SpecPerf benchmarks - there are 4 of them: floating point and integer/logic, and then single thread and multi thread for each of those - are actually a composite score of dozens of different benchmarks stressing different individual instructions on the chip. These benchmarks are considered the gold standard internally at chip makers (hence why guys like Jim Keller was providing internal benchmarks to his team at Tenstorrent), and a 30% uplift in any of the 4 benchmarks is a really big deal. It suggests that some of the individual tests within that benchmark were far exceeding 30%, while others were likely in the teens or low twenties. But again, this is just integer/logic tests and says nothing about floating point performance. We’ll have to wait to see either all 4 SpecPerf benchmarks or until the chips are actually released before we get a good all around understanding of how they’ll perform in different areas.

i got a 5800x and 3080. I personally don't plan to upgrade my system yet runs all the games I want to play just fine. Though maybe when zen 6 comes out I will upgrade my system but right now I don't really have a need to and would prefer to save the money for other things.

Paul, as I already posted on your Discord weeks ago, here is my prediction for the 9950X: 1) CineBench R23 multicore score in excess of 50,000 2) Voltage max will still be 1.2 Volts, but the above result should be achievable at around 1.18 Volts. 3) The score will be achievable at a CPU power draw of around 178 Watts. 4) The max all-core clockspeed will be at around 5.5 GHz. 5) There will no longer be a single core boost (boast) speed, unless the user decides to create one.

@Violet-ui

13 күн бұрын

My dog could make a better prediction than this

@michaelnager6059

13 күн бұрын

@@Violet-ui I made a prediction months ahead of the release of the 5000 Series Ryzen, and I was only a couple of percent off on my prediction there, and Paul knows it.

I’d hope that maybe they can finally also make the Zen 5 X3D parts fully overclockable. Yes, the cooling requirements for this are tough but let that be a problem for enthusiast users to solve don’t lock it down in firmware.

I am still on Zen+ (2950X), and it is ok. I do have also two servers with Zen 4c (Siena, SP6), and that ones I will probably do upgrade to Zen 5c, add few more cores, if I can fit in same TDP. On my desktop (again Zen+, 2950X), I will probably wait for AM6 socket. Hopefully they make triple channel memory, and offer some 24 core CPUs. But AM5 will probably be still used for even Zen 6 probably. So maybe new socket in 2026. Or alternatively they make some SKUs with 16-24 small cores, plus 8 performance once. That would be cool too, but again, a bit limited with 2 memory channels. As of IPC vs Zen4. Yeah, I think 15-20% easily on average, in some benchmarks 30-40%. And in select few vector heavy (like VNNI, AVX512), 60%, maybe more. With enlarged EUs, dispatch, ROB, PF, the limit will be decoder and uops caches. But with a bit of more caching, better btb, it might be possible. Hard to squeeze much of x86 decoders.

I’m 50/50 on upgrading to Zen 5. I’m Currently running a 5800x3d with a 4090 (43440x1440) and in most cases it runs really well. I would be looking to go to an X3D variant which I know will not be out anytime soon. However the deciding factor will be if I go to a 5090 or not and that all depends on performance uplift, availability and resale value of the 4090 (and my finances lol).

@normative1058

12 күн бұрын

bro they will release x3d chip with the all the other chips. do you think they would really release a CPU which is inferior to current x3d flagship? Who would buy that shit? Just get real mate

@curtismariani6303

12 күн бұрын

@@normative1058 they’ve never released the x3d chips with the main line up before. Always a first time, but I guess we’ll find out in a couple of weeks. Besides I’m not convinced in most scenarios the new line up will be weaker. There will always be some outliers, like there was with the 5800x3d and 7700x but I’m expecting the 9700x to just pip the 7800x3d in most games when using fast memory.

@normative1058

12 күн бұрын

@@curtismariani6303 they release ZEN 6 next year do you think they would still be making x3d chips late?

@curtismariani6303

12 күн бұрын

@@normative1058 like I say we will find out soon enough as AMD are at Computex on the 4th of June. They could release together, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if they release x3d say 3 months later and then Zen 6 something like 6, 9 or even 12 months after that. The rumour mill suggests x3d will be announced at CES 6th-9th of Jan 2025. Who knows though, I’m sure they will be ready to launch x3d at the same time, but I guess it will depend if they feel threatened by Intel. They may want to save x3d to compete with Intels next launch, to completely rain on their parade. If x3d launches sooner I’ll certainly be happy about that as I’m more likely to buy it.

I'm still on an Intel 9700K, so if it's only 17% or so, then that's still a very good upgrade -- if it reaches this, then the CPU-performance will go up sufficiently for me to finally change CPU-platform.

Zen 5 will be great, I was going to with a 7950x. But at the time, DDR5 and AM5 were overly expensive, consider I always maxout ram, because of pro apps. To me going intel was no brainer, 128Gb DDR4 + 13900k + MB was saving me around 1500us. I hope Zen 5 does great, I think many gamers want to see the x3D variation vs Intel Arrow Lake, either from the perspective best bang for your buck or best performance. Good thing x3D will release later same as Arrow lake. So that will be interesting to see how the pit each other.

I'm on 5900x, and feel tempted to upgrade to zen5. But I'm split on going for an 8 core x3d, or higher clock 12-16 core. Mainly gaming, but I feel 8 core going forward could be a bit lacking. Also I kinda hope the frequency difference between x3d and non x3d won't be that largeon zen5.

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

Go for the 9800X3D, it's not just that most games don't use over 16 threads, it's also that whenever the two 8-core chiplets need to communicate with each other, latency is introduced and performance in games is lost. Also price and power consumption on the 2 CCDs chips are way higher.

@Edooo20

12 күн бұрын

@@MaxIronsThird yeah I'm strongly considering it, depending of course how it actually turns out and price. The issue of latency with 3 ccds is as far as I am aware pretty much a non issue anymore, not because there isn't latency if communication would occur between the ccds, but because the windows scheduler and other things working in background have got so good that they know to keep only 1 ccd active during gaming,and avoid cross talk between ccds. Sure there are exceptions to this, but I think most major titles got this figured out. However I'm thinking like 2-3 years down the line, perhaps 8 cores wouldn't be enough, and in that case the impact of not having enough cores would probably always be greater than having 12-16 cores and slight latency, just speculating of course. But yeah. I'm leaning towards the 9800x3d still. Guess the option will remain to upgrade to a 12-16 core if the above described scenario turns out to be the case 😁

The instruction-per-second that ZEN 5 will achieve should be somewhere around the low 20 percental, this is assuming it works just "good", even if they get "all" of what they want out of the die it still will not reach a 30 percent IPC increase.

@benjaminlynch9958

13 күн бұрын

Source?

@johnkeane320

13 күн бұрын

Trust me bro​@@benjaminlynch9958

@NetworkNinja84

13 күн бұрын

@@benjaminlynch9958he said so.

I'm considering it mainly for PS3 emulation compared to my old 9900K. But my only concern is I'm pretty sure this is the last generation for that platform. If it is I really should just wait another year

Zen2 here, yeah, I'm upgrading 😎💪🏻

Wheter I upgrade to Zen 5 doesn't depend on it hitting 30% performance upgrade, it depends on whether AMD provides Windows 10 drivers. Actually, AMD might have been more successful wit Zen 4 initially, if they would have provided Windows 7/8 drivers for Zen 4.

Zen 5 needs to have a better memory controller. 4 sticks of ram need to just work on day 1 and at least at 6000 mhz.

I'm absolutely going to upgrade. I'm still on AM4 and just want to upgrade but we're so close to Ryzen 9000 that I don't want to buy Ryzen 7000.

20% would be good for me. I have a 7700x and would like to go to a 9950x if the promised NPU is there 😊

I’m going to upgrade simply because I need a more stable system than the Frankenstein one I’ve created. Since I am editing more often, I need it for my sanity

AVX512 will really be nice for emulators. I ll totally upgrade this generation since im still on a i7 4790k from 2014 and its not doing it anymore.

@PurpleWarlock

13 күн бұрын

I have a Kaby Lake laptop. Got me through the pandemic. Need a new machine. But Strix Halo igpus seem to be perfection. Hoping Qualcomm' s chips impact prices. 😅

25% with the same price tag would be really good. Even zen 4 is a huge upgrade over my current cpu, so every gain is welcome

10-15% IPC, same clocks, faster and smarter access to cache, more cores per tier comparing to zen 4.

I wouldn't be surprised if something that can be recompiled like SPEC-INT would have twice performance improvement compared to running old binaries. Also I wouldn't be surprised if anything using AVX-512 would have insane performance increases compared to things that don't use it.

based on rumors that you explained 6 alu instead of 4 and reorganized cache structure maximum in gaming perf leap will be 15% More alu helps in new instructions order lets say avx 512 and so on games doesnt use this. shorter latency instead is possible if amd can archive 8ns L3 cache actually is 9,3ns it is possible that changed structure gets more ipc but i doubt that. For desktop user only ipc gains that matter is shorter encoding time and faster winrar compression and of course more fps in games in a cpu limit scenario

If its a minimum 30% increase in games I'd upgrade from my 7800x3d to the 9800x3d. Some of the games I play are already being bottle necked by the cpu, especially games with ray tracing. Spiderman for example will dip into the 90s or even lower at times due to being cpu bound. 4k high refresh rate gaming is becoming a possibility now so I'm going to potentially get a 5090 ( if they don't increase prices! ) then I don't want it to be bottlenecking such an expensive gpu. I largely play single player games only and a lot of the newer games with ray tracing have been very cpu bound and it will probably get worse. So yeah I'll probably sell my cpu and upgrade if the performance gain is a noticeable step up

APU based mini PC's are gonna get wild. I've been saying the the RTX 4070 card I bought will likely be the last discrete video card I'll likely ever buy.

minor error at 13:40

I'm currently using Ryzen 9 7950x. I will upgrade to the new Ryzen 9 depending on price and performance. I will not upgrade at all costs just because it's newer.

@tstager1978

13 күн бұрын

Me too. I may wait for zen 6.

7800x3d here. might get a 9000x3d chip and maybe the 16 core 9000x3d if it has 3d cache on all cores.

I would like to see a cpu with 8 normal and 16 'dense' cores.😊

If the prices are the same ok 7800x3d is 357 up to 380 over here so 9800x3d that price rang is ❤

I'll upgrade to Ryzen 5700X 3d next week. The whole build will cost me 330€ less than going to AM5 platform with Ryzen 7800X 3D. These 330€ will go for a better GPU. Currently have an i7 4770Κ with a GTX 1660 Super.

CPUs these days are like chipsets were 20+ years ago and it's not just for gamers; pretty much every content creation branch these days is GPU-accelerated.

x3D chip will be relased with all the other chips. theyre not going to release a ZEN 5 chip which under performs their current best lol... are you guys OK in the heaD?

If the 9600X and 9800X3D chips can keep roughly the same TDPs and perform fast enough to keep a 5090 from hitting a CPU bottleneck at 4K, I'll be happy. Thumbs up.

Only way I would upgrage from a 7800x3D is if they released the 9950x3D with 3D V-cashe on all cores, not half of them

@ZackSNetwork

13 күн бұрын

Or at least a built in scheduler instead of garbage Xbox gamebar.

I expect a clock frequency increase

It will be between 15 and 20% increase in performance. There'll be a minor clock bump, nothing major, 100mhz on boost I think, just for the marketing.

Don’t upgrade until you see the performance difference against the zen4 x3d

What is the chance of 3 generations of cpus getting supported by AM5?

@kenshirogenjuro873

13 күн бұрын

AMD will say this is already 3 since they’ve released the 8000-series chips, but as far as a hypothetical 11800X3D fitting AM5 motherboards I’m thinking better than 80%.

@auritro3903

13 күн бұрын

You can expect AM5 to support at least Zen 6, not sure about Zen 7 though

New motherboards will be released for the new chips ?

@Skylancer727

13 күн бұрын

Still AM5. But it could be the last one for it.

@supersmurf4884

13 күн бұрын

That is what makes AMD great for consumers that want to upgrade cpu easy and cheaper. They have had this policy, same platform for 5 years ( I think they reduced it by one year.) So if AM5 released 2022, AM6 will launch earliest at 2026. (probably closer to/after 2027) Sure it will some upgrades with a newer tech in a MOBO, but not really that much now in few years only. We just begin to fill up transfers speed in PCIe gen 3, but we we soon will get PCIe gen 6 soon Some things we just upgrade for the sake of get a higher number, higher number = faster ..we think Even if for majority of consumers it will do absolutely nothing at all ..yet.. sure you can call it future proofing But when we need that, all other parts are already bad and too old.

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

@@supersmurf4884 AM4 was an amazing platform, but stop sucking on their balls, Zen6 is most likely not on AM5.

Keep your hands still.

Want an AMD CPU, but blue meanie Intel has QuickSync with its APU and 3x integration with Adobe and 3D apps, so I have to sweat it out with the heat and suicidal tendencies for work. Same with Nvidia vs. AMD for GPUs. Ugh. Bow down to the one you serve.

I didn’t buy Zen 4 due to memory controller issues. Maybe Zen 5 will have it fixed

Amd really need to deliver for ZEN5, high power efficiency and should be better that ultra and 14th gen and 2nm arrow lake. And I really WANT AMD TO succeed here

About 6 minutes in. You're talking about a 50% jump in integer performance. Ok, what would cause that? Lets' say each core used to have 2 int calculators, two integer arithmetic pipelines, but zen 5 increased the number of int pipelines in each & every core, to 3. Is that going to result in a perfect 50% jump in overall integer performance? No, not quite, because we have issues with bandwidth and latency and other bits and bobs. With L1 cache design, with shared L3 cache design ... We are going to see improvements to the infinity Fabric and how all this stuff works, which should cancel out some of the losses, but ... So overall, we're talking maybe a 40% increase in IPC, while we're doing heavy integer arithmetic. So explain to me again, What is Spec-Int? It's an Integer benchmark, which does heavy integer workloads and uses one core, or all cores, and gives a result. If you add 50% more integer units per core, then you're going to see roughly 40% improvements in integer heavy workloads. "So IPC is up by 40% ?" Well, if you're running spec-int, yeah. If you're running Firefox and watching pwn ~ not so much. Instructions Per Clock depends entirely on what you're doing. Can you give an overall figure, an average? Yeah, kind of, but it's mostly guesswork, based on presumptions of what the avg user will be doing. That means which game you're playing, what your GPU is, how good your cooling is, what the dog ate for dinner.... What change would that one development, the addition of one integer pipeline, have on overall IPC? That's an effing good question. And that's where the marketing departments of AMD and Intel lock swords with how gullible their customer bases are. ten minutes ~ ~ "Aye-Loo" He's talking about the Arithmatic and Logic Unit. That's the Integer unit I was talking about. The number has gone from 4 -> 6, not 2 -> 3. Sorry, my bad. The maths remains the same. It's a 50% increase in the ALU count. That does require some fairly major upgrades to the front-side and the back-side, the data path into the ALU and then out of it once the work has been done.

I miss the days of 'quad core after quad core'. More than 4 cores was purely luxury up until around the 7700K like more than 8 cores is purely a luxury today. At least back then when you splashed $450+ on a CPU with a luxury amount of cores, you got HEDT features instead of significantly overpriced consumer socket boards. My X99 board is basically worth the same $330 as it's original MSRP because AMD was bad and put HEDT core counts on consumer socket so they could charge server pricing for Lite Workstation parts with double the core count HEDT should be while offering the 16 core 7955WX on the Professional Workstation platform for an insane $1899 while the 24 core 7960X comes in at $1399. Where's the more reasonably priced 12 and 16 core Threadripper AMD?!?!? $699 and $999 respectively should be very reasonable pricing.

@ZackSNetwork

13 күн бұрын

The only thing I miss back then was lower GPU prices. Everything else was garbage back in the day. A 1tb Sata SSD was $450 Max.

@cracklingice

13 күн бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork You don't miss reasonable priced motherboards instead of paying HEDT price for consumer socket parts? I actually want those features when I'm already paying that price.

mans been hitting the gym

@4:00 things actually kick off...paul can babble a lot :)

I don't get it why people have such a hard time believing in 30% or 40% performance uplift of ZEN5 when ZEN4 did just that! On the official presentation, you can see that at 14:02, zen4 achieved +39% in wPrime, +32% in Dolphin emulator, 24% in watchdogs legion... Zen5 most probably will score similarly, but again, on average the number will be lower. So don't get excited too much, but i doubt zen5 will be a letdown, unless you thought you will get 40% on average.

30% ipc boost? come on.... in some cherry picking benchmark maybe? the rational "hope" is 10-15% :) considering intel gen 2 to gen 7 (5 years) only roughly 15-20% ipc improvement

Im going to upgrade my 3600 to a 9600

I don't want A.I anything built into my hardware

Predict 30% stronger cores but starved for memory in some tasks

Why not just wait for the crap to hit the shelves so you can BUY one and TEST it?

Anyone have benchmarks just for fun for Intel Xeon and AMD Epyx? Outrageously expensive

will there be 1ccd 16core desktop cpu?

I doubt 30% IPC improvements will be met by Zen 5, half of that would be good.

SMT can't be fix ...intel made it for AMD while AMD made x64 extended memory register instructions for intel and it was only made temporary thing back then that shouldn't lasted longer usage for any cpu....IBM been phasing out its dinosaur tech on their cpu's of SMT-4 been around early 2000's...and x86 cpu's have lot of problems with using it due to silicone constraints in power usage. Yes AMD had SMT long before CMT introduce in FX series ....there was delay argument over intel SMT vs AMD owned CMT method....AMD could had it since phenom era but AMD decide not included in phenom line up at all...AMd went all trouble for their owned CMT that proves SMT still superior and force to use INTEL SMT tech for Ryzen...basically AMD users been using a soup up intel chips with more cores from TSMC vs intel fab had delay to shrink it

Can rgt deliver a video that has zero new information ? Yes!

9800x3d will be around 5,5ghz with same/similar cache, 6400mhz ram support, still 8 cores, so around 20% performance increase, but i hear zen69 is supposed to be really nice

@silfrido1768

13 күн бұрын

That was also my theory & if that’s the case then I will be able to get 6400 CL26-28 stable. I can run 6200 CL26 all day but 6400 with IF @ 2133 is not stable for me

Let the bet hedging begin.

Why do they need to increase core counts when they can just stop making the lower tier processors? They’ve pretty much dropped Ryzen 3 quad cores already, so the lowest tier AMD cpus are 6 core Ryzen 5s. Next I would expect the Ryzen 5s to stop getting new generation processors and for the lowest to be Ryzen 7 8 core chips. That way AMD never has to give us more cores for the same price. Entry level and mid range will just be eliminated.

@kenshirogenjuro873

13 күн бұрын

I agree they should release 4-core Ryzen 5000 and even 7000 chips. Quads may be on their way out but they can still be used in almost all games today. Sell them near the $100 price point to retain the budget gamers that supported and depended on them through a lot of their worst years. Give those buyers a pathway into AM5, or an inexpensive way to step up from their 1600s. They’ve released the 5700X3D which is going around $200. There has to be enough flawed yield to make $100 quad cores out of.

I went from a 1700 to a 3700X to 3950X to 5950X to 7950X3D and all upgrades were tangible. That said, my system is fast af enough for several years. If Zen 5 non X3D is 30% faster I'll upgrade again. If not, I may wait for X3D or Zen 6

No, just the regular AMD over hype train.

ALU - an acronym for Arithmetic Logic Unit. It is pronounced "A - L - U", not "A-lou". Much like how a Central Processing Unit is pronounced "C - P - U". I know this is trivial but it pains me every time I hear it -- and getting it wrong detracts from everything else presented in the video.

@rodiculous9464

13 күн бұрын

Errrm ackschewalleee 🤓

No boost in clock frequency. That just generates extra heat (power). Better results will happen with optimizing the node (enhance).

@MaxIronsThird

12 күн бұрын

hahahahaha Zen2 to Zen3 Rdna1 to Rdna2 ADL to RPL Broadwell to Rocket Lake

@DM-ei6oo

12 күн бұрын

@@MaxIronsThird reeeeeeeee

Not a hope

In the end 9% overall

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50% ipc

@auritro3903

13 күн бұрын

delusional

cannot wait for zen 5%

tldr: NO!

mb

what a waste of my time

AMD hyping again... We saw that before...

@Zenzuu

13 күн бұрын

To be fair, AMD have followed through what they promised for every Zen release when it comes to targeted performance. It’s their gpu division that you’re thinking of.

@kelvinjinxd

13 күн бұрын

Let’s start the hype train.

@auritro3903

13 күн бұрын

Not AMD themselves necessarily, mostly rumour mills like this one

No, next question.

Honest Predictions from me: ZEN5: 22-23% IPC, 5.8GHz Boost. Arrow Lake: 17-18% IPC, 5.5GHz Boost -> Zen 5 has around 10% more singlethread performance, but in multihread Arrow Lake is competitive or even leading while consuming less power (177W vs 230W). In gaming both 2024 Products will fail to beat the best current Gen CPUs.

@DarthChewie

13 күн бұрын

How did you manage to contradict yourself in one comment?

@phil.s.3362

13 күн бұрын

@@DarthChewie where did I contradict myself?

@DarthChewie

13 күн бұрын

@@phil.s.3362 If you can write it, you can read it. Give it a go!

@BobSacamanoNYC

13 күн бұрын

@@phil.s.3362 The obvious contradiction is your predicted IPC gains and clock speed compared to your claim that those CPUs would still be slower than current gen. Eg. If Zen 5 IPC is 22-23% faster than Zen 4, and you predict clock speeds to be roughly the same (you predicted 5.8GHz, aka 100MHz higher than best from Zen 4), then why would you predict that Zen 4 would still be better for gaming? Or for Intel, you predicted 17-18% IPC gain and 5.5GHz boost clock (-500MHz vs 14900k). You're predicting a 17-18% IPC gain, and -8% in clock speed. Even with that lower clock speed, it still nets out to +10% vs 14th gen.

@phil.s.3362

13 күн бұрын

@@BobSacamanoNYC Because gaming has nothing to do with IPC?! ZEN X3D is 25%+ faster than vanilla for both ZEN3 and ZEN4, despite having no IPC advantage and even kinda big clock disadvantage. Raptor Lake is also nearly 20% faster than Alder Lake with same cores and only 10% higher clocks. Rocket Lake had 18% more IPC and same Clocks compared to Comet Lake, yet it was even slightly slower in Games. Vanilla ZEN4 has 13% higher IPC and around 15% higher clocks compared to Vanilla ZEN3, yet it is barely 20% faster in gaming while applications saw a 30% ST uplift. ZEN3 had 19% IPC and not much clocks, yet it is 30+% faster in gaming than ZEN2. These are like 5 examples from last 3 Years that all show that Gaming has nothing to do with IPC. 90% of gaming Performance is Cache size and Cache latency. ZEN3 double L3 size per CCX -> huge gaming boost X3D triples L3 size per CCX -> huge gaming boost ZEN4 only had double L2 and switched from DDR4 to DDR5 -> mediocre gaming boost, most of the time falls to beat 5800X3D ZEN5 has 50% more L1, nothing more -> expected gaming gains not enough to make up 20+% to ZEN4X3D. Intel: Rocket Lake had worse Cache latencies and smaller L3 than Comet Lake -> gaming regression Alder Lake hugely upper L3 size -> took crown from ZEN3 Raptor Lake with another L3/L2 increase and much better Ringbus Latency+Throughput -> nearly 20% gaming gain, comes close to ZEN4X3D with cores that got beaten by ZEN3X3D in Alder Lake. Arrow Lake will reuse Meteor Lakes SOC Tile, everything about MTLs Cache setup is pretty horrible (latencies etc.) So better prepare for gaming regression compared to 13900K.

i think like new rtx50xx we not gonna see any improvement in field of performance, more like only complexity, this is after all where they go with more cache, faster performance on large chunks of data that can today fit cache, more performance with raytracing, but when you try to operate on lot of different data or raster gfx there will be no improvement

ipc is dependent on code not some bullshit architecture, modern cpus are risc that emulate cisc with microcode, risc in 1997 could already run 7 instructions at 1 clock if they dont block each other, where mmx then had only 2 u and v pipe, pentium 3 had 3 instructions, as microcode architecture i think today is like 4 in 1 clock or tick, and all those microcode shortcuts only enable new ways to exploit cpu. what is most scary to me now we start to enter new cpus that are designed by AI, before it was AI and humans verified that, now we have full AI only. we all know about quirks of technology when signal from one lane pases to another, so AI tries to rearenge those so that is less possible(but still possible) and now that is done only with AI and no human verified that. that means AI can one day control all cpus with one backdoor, only older cpus will be able to block that

No.