It would be much easier if there were places like this available to the public so we can learn to drive safer. But the only place we can practice this on are empty parking lots at night.

@L2SFBC

8 ай бұрын

mate I hear you!!!

@DownforceGaming

3 ай бұрын

you can also learn it in a sim

@andypark1694

2 ай бұрын

Go to trackday or autocross

@Bally46

8 күн бұрын

A racetrack? Lol

@Bobbie_1999

8 күн бұрын

@@DownforceGaming Still convinced that the sim got me out of a big oversteer situation in one of my first real trackdays.

Slower speeds at a wet skid pad is really the best way to develop these skills. Driver schools that emphasize this training help out a lot.

Brilliant, now I just need to find a giant closed parking lot on a rainy day. But seriously, great info

As soon as it snowed in the early 90's me and my mates were straight out the door- skidding about on the backroads of Scotland in minis, mk2 escorts and fiat 131s. Fantastic fun emulating the rally drivers of the day with many a bumper or front wing dinged. I'm never going to be Ari Vatanen but I still love driving in the snow and any conditions where the grip is reduced.

@L2SFBC

2 ай бұрын

That's the way!

So basically learn drifting

@drtone

Күн бұрын

yes.

Wow...I did this all winter in my grandfathers 455 Pontiac Bonneville in Pennsylvania winters back in the 70's when I was 14...and its a great refresher on those that don't have snow! I do this in a 68 XKE with a 383 SBC 2 speed powerglide now at 62! Love driving like u do !!

The intro was a real blast from the past for me - I have looped out and gone wide on some of the exact same corners!

@L2SFBC

4 күн бұрын

:-)

I’m glad this popped up on my feed, great driving, mister! 👍

Thanks again Robert

I first learned these skills in a go kart as a kid. It’s a good, cheap alternative to practicing with a real car.

@L2SFBC

10 ай бұрын

Great point!

Nice teaching style

Love the GR86!

The key for me is to detect the oversteer immediately, right when it starts. Or even better, to anticipate it. If you catch the slide fast enough, you don't need big handfuls of opposite lock.

@L2SFBC

Күн бұрын

Absolutely! Early correction the better.

@drtone

Күн бұрын

@@L2SFBC You need as much and as quick countersteer opposite lock as sufficient. But that is only half the required technique. The other part not discussed at all is why people hit the wall on track and mustangs run over people.

@L2SFBC

Күн бұрын

That is a short video. For answers to the first part, see my oversteer video, second part...cannot explain :-)

Owning a lotus will teach you how to stay in it too otherwise it won't matter how fast your hands are. It's deff the hardest car I've owned to drive 10/10ths

just the sort of direction ive been looking for. thank you

@L2SFBC

8 күн бұрын

Most welcome!

Excellent video!!

@L2SFBC

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much!

I have no desire to do this but very interesting.

Can you do a video on snap oversteer? It's a very common RWD daily form of accident where people panic and brake hard making it worse.

@L2SFBC

7 күн бұрын

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i try many way to save FF or FR cars from the sliding situstion. finally, i found out just hold the throttle and lightly tipping the clutch is the easiest way to take back control whether in FF/FR, oversteer/ understeer. but first, you need to have a clutch pedal. it may not the best way, but once you master the technique, it can really save you.

Nice job! You just got a new sub here.

@L2SFBC

5 күн бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Is this a course available to the public?

@L2SFBC

8 ай бұрын

Sorry no

You get a pretty violent snap-back to the outside because you don't apply enough throttle after catching the car. Could bite one day.

@L2SFBC

4 ай бұрын

Yes, it's a balance...I didn't want to say "snap off the throttle" but also not "add more power". I shall look more into your load-sensitivity concepts to see if I can refine the advice.

@ArchOfficial

4 ай бұрын

@@L2SFBC Load sensitivity is an extremely basic thing that basically everyone is aware of, it's not some thing I made up. EDIT: Nor is it probably what's 'missing'; I just think, based on what I see, that the trend in these videos is to advise less throttle than is safe or reliable. It's fine if the person doing it is a skilled driver who can cut down the wheelspin precisely to save the tires and laptime, and it avoids accelerating the car to the outside or increasing yaw, but a small mistake in the application can result in snapping to the outside once grip is regained. It happened a little bit IN the video due to slow countersteer and insufficient throttle, but your car control skills allowed you to balance the tire slip near the peak enough not to grip up too much or to spin out. Most drivers won't have that ability IMO. The reasoning is that it's easier to slip one axle just a bit above the slip limit than to try to balance on the peak, where going under it can and usually will result in gripping up that axle suddenly.

How long would to take to get a good basic skill set like this?

@L2SFBC

3 ай бұрын

More than a day. Takes constant practice.

No discussion of 2 phase steering inputs for slide recovery makes this simply a demonstration of your skills, but is almost useless for novices.

@L2SFBC

Күн бұрын

What is two-phase steering?

@drtone

19 сағат бұрын

@@L2SFBC OK, here is your test: Explain as succinctly as possible the steering inputs to save an oversteer slide. I will make it even easier for you, by disregarding any throttle modulation component that would be important. Clue; what causes and/or prevents the "tank slapper" phenomenon.

@L2SFBC

15 сағат бұрын

Keep the steering pointed where you need to go. Short enough?

@drtone

12 сағат бұрын

@@L2SFBC Well yes, that is essentially correct, and quite succinct. Good job, you pass ;) However, do you think a novice would be able to save a spin from that explanation. What I am getting at is the horrible misnomer of the term "over correction" that people with under developed car control use as an excuse for crashing. Saving a spin correctly is done in 2 parts. #1 applying sufficient and quick enough counter steer to arrest the oversteer swing. If that is done right, there will be a momentary, often barely perceptible pause, and then # 2 the car will swing back, and you must, with as much alacrity and precise timing, unwind the steering to straight ahead. This second phase is rarely emphasized as people often just say opposite lock. It is the lack of accurate application of #2 that leads to the so called "overcorrection" tank slapper which puts the car in a wall or a Mustang into a crowd. Without #2, a novice driver would be safer just letting the car spin in a linear direction causing less harm. Drivers with under developed car control often dismiss a spin and crash with this "driver excuse" as unavoidable, but if the car swings back, the crash was avoidable, and the driver screwed up, was too slow, has no clue about, or was insufficiently coached about the # 2 phase.

@L2SFBC

4 сағат бұрын

Watch my full oversteer recovery video. All covered.

I Was Doing Oversteer At 12 Driving a 100hp Tractor 43 Years Ago,Its Not That difficult Unless Your a Numpty !!!!!

@miro6138

2 күн бұрын

Sure thing grandpa

No thanks. We drive for fun, U r making it a tedious sport.

@soconoha8495

2 күн бұрын

"No thanks" to advanced driving techniques... You're not a very good driver, are you?

@zounds13

Күн бұрын

Except that oversteer is never tedious.

@adel5637

Күн бұрын

Bann this dude from public roads