Poor Castus. Still, pretty damn metal of him to accept eternal damnation just for the chance to spit in Nurgle's face one last time. Big E would be proud.

@brandondemers1769

4 жыл бұрын

Who knows? Perhaps the emperor saved his soul before it went to Nurgle, I like to think so.

@theodorethompson4536

4 жыл бұрын

If they are guilty of heresy servitors or servo skulls. If they are lucky

@barklordofthesith2997

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandondemers1769 "Give me the soul. Give me the soul. *pokes with sword* Give me the soul."

@countdooku9777

4 жыл бұрын

Twice the pride, double the fall.

@happyhammer1

4 жыл бұрын

@@draugenofthedeep1535 hahaha

Iron Warriors defected back into the Imperium. Alpha Legion: Just as planned.

@bensnumber1fan708

4 жыл бұрын

But theyll do it out of spite both to the imperium and chaos, so the loyalist cant kill them now and chaos cant rely on them again

@danielchew8739

4 жыл бұрын

@@bensnumber1fan708 Still just as planned.

@EverianKalim

4 жыл бұрын

1 second later: Imperial Fist - Were Out!

@Edge_Lord78

4 жыл бұрын

@@bensnumber1fan708 well met fellow cultist. Ben 6th chaos god confirmed?

@bensnumber1fan708

4 жыл бұрын

@@Edge_Lord78 why do you think tzeentch is blue, and why he always foils his own plans?

"A loving parental figure is the best defence against the vileness of chaos"

@WackadoodleMalarkey

4 жыл бұрын

If I ever get a tattoo, that's it!

@nowhereman6019

4 жыл бұрын

Horus

@planetoftheweek

4 жыл бұрын

This quote is from latest TTS :D

@notreallyhere67

4 жыл бұрын

“We need a DADDY” - Brother Santodes

@PedroMM193

4 жыл бұрын

Push me, daddy! Push me on the swiiiiiiiiiiiing!

Can traitor Astartes be redeemed? Dark Angels: *sweat profusely*

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

*alpha legion* : smerks

@theark4568

4 жыл бұрын

Alpharius Omegon smirks*

@wolfblade40k89

4 жыл бұрын

Ahriman: gently smiles

@blkbrdmntrvimes6438

4 жыл бұрын

Only the fallen are sweating

@nowhereman6019

4 жыл бұрын

Lion El'Johnson and the Dark Angels are the worst "Loyalist" legion. They've done so much horrible shit that they might as well be traitors.

Chaplain: “This Space Marines traitorous soul has been redeemed...” Space Marine: “But... Brother Chaplain he’s dead now...” Chaplain: “Redeemed or Dead, there is little difference in the emperors justice that’s given to Traitors...”

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

The Emperor's Peace, The Emperor's Mercy, and the Emperor's Wrath, all involve a bolter shell.

@Khornecussion

3 жыл бұрын

@@Marinealver The Emperor really loved the movie Old Yeller.

The Thousand Sons are prime candidates for redemption.

@ssumbra5648

4 жыл бұрын

Unlikely given the fact most of them are changed or mutated beyond belief by tzeech and that only a tiny amount of them are lest, the rest are just a bunch of statues.

@ulf___

3 жыл бұрын

Magnus did nothing wrong!

@twat3789

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssumbra5648 well now that the ynarri (haven’t a clue how it’s spelled) have been shown to be able to turn them back to the living, maybe we’ll see loyalist thousand sons again

@ssumbra5648

3 жыл бұрын

@@twat3789 We already have that, its called B l o O d R a V e N s. While they werent confirmed thousdand sons, the writint is on the wall and they abviously are.

@smugron1101

3 жыл бұрын

If Ahriman gets access to the Black Library, yes. He plans on killing Tzeentch to free his brothers, Primarch and reversing the "turning into dust" part of the Rubricae spell. Edit: Also to turn into a Chaos God. Forgot about that.

This question is brought up a lot. The answer is really varied. Renegade Astarties may be "Redeemed" usually by penance crusade or by becoming a Black Shield. For Astarties like Lucius the "Eternal" or Kharne? Not on your life. And Angron had every reason to hate his father

@BM-is5ei

4 жыл бұрын

If you read the latest book on Angron you truely understand why he hated Emps so much.

@robertnelson9599

4 жыл бұрын

He still had no right to implant his legionnaires with the Butcher's Nails.

@BM-is5ei

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertnelson9599 he simply didnt give a rats ass about them. His true family died on Nuceria. And to him, and lets be honest to the emperor, the astartes are nothing more than tools.

@MrTurbowhitey

4 жыл бұрын

The Nails were a choice, not a demand. The World Eaters took the surgery to be closer to Angron. There are members of that legion who didn't get them

@TechpriestNumber

4 жыл бұрын

Couldn't the emperor just have the fucking taser nails in his brain removed? That's really the main reason he was so ungodly pissed all the time; It's no wonder he turned to khorne with that shit in his head.

Honestly, I see Kharn and Ahriman as redeemable, Kharn just seems like a guy who deserves a second chance and Ahriman just cares for his brothers and wants to find a cure for them.............and also a way to kill Tzeentch

@MrLaz0rz

4 жыл бұрын

tbh, there's not much difference between ahriman and radical inquisitors, the ends justify *any* means.

@tincano-beans2114

4 жыл бұрын

Kharn def is deep in khorne thinking. He isn't even remotely redeemable. Just because he's not a raving madman doesn't mean he's a goodie...

@jakecarroll9500

4 жыл бұрын

W scott though he did fuck up by turning his legion into dust. Though at least he's trying to reverse it.

@matthewbrune5490

4 жыл бұрын

I know what the lotta you are saying, but a bunch of GC-Era fanfics featuring the XII Legion and a few AU-Fanfics have Kharn be a very honorable guy

@jakecarroll9500

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Brune GC era?

10:30 Of course it ha to be a Salamander. God, I just love these guys.

@ithemba

4 жыл бұрын

The power of friendship and hugs can achieve marvelous things indeed.

@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD

4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping we'd hear a quote there

@randomcenturion7264

4 жыл бұрын

They are the ultimate bros.

@Tacoguy1000

4 жыл бұрын

M D Yea, sorry, though people would be tired of reading it.

If the emperor has indeed become a true god of the warp in the past 10k years, then he may be able to wrench lost human souls from the chaos gods. In fact, I theorise that that would be the true meaning of ‘the emperor protects’. Then what is a miserable life of servitude in a hive, to an eternity in the bliss of the emperors light protected from the horrors of the warp?

@memeweirdguyn.0019

4 жыл бұрын

Like what he did to TTS magnus?

@BM-is5ei

4 жыл бұрын

@@memeweirdguyn.0019 gimme the soul! Gimme the soul! Gimme the soul! Gimme the soul!

@WackadoodleMalarkey

4 жыл бұрын

If the Emperor became the chaos god of order, would he get a new name or would we learn it? ...Definitely not asking for Tzeentch!

@GamerBrax

4 жыл бұрын

@@WackadoodleMalarkey "chaos" god of "order", that's really broke my mind.

@chrisleonard2066

4 жыл бұрын

Braxis people confuse chaos with the warp, the Eldar gods are warp gods but not chaos gods.

Answer: Simple. Never be a traitor at all, like the Alpha Legion.

@christopher6337

4 жыл бұрын

2edgy to live as far as I’m concerned

@Kevineitor199

4 жыл бұрын

or dark angels

@professorsponge1554

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kevineitor199 SNERK.

@desupocalypse

4 жыл бұрын

Chaos is a spook.

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

We approve of this message

*Hears "REPENT MOTHERFUCKER!" And the sound of a hammer hitting someone's face far away* Idk but...i think it's possible...

@immortalgamer2564

4 жыл бұрын

WHY. WON'T. U. REPENT!? .....Uhhhh.....It might have something to do with him being dead....... SILENCE. HE MUST REPENT!!!! .......Uhhhh.....Yessir.

@Ghostshadow857

4 жыл бұрын

Read this with Samuel L Jackson voice in my head haha

@barklordofthesith2997

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ghostshadow857 Sam needs to do some voice acting for WH 40-k

@thoughtenforcer462

4 жыл бұрын

*gets Panty and Stocking flashbacks*

@vinnylatoria4478

4 жыл бұрын

@@barklordofthesith2997 If he doesn't voice the Emperor...

Welp, My Deathwatch Suicide squad of Traitor legionaires is now possible.

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

All Space Marines of the Traitor Legions renounce their loyalty to the Primarch, they became the Grey Knights.

You might also have mentioned the case of the traitor White Scars during the Horus Heresy, who did not turn to the worship of the Ruinous Powers, but DID swear a soul-binding oath to support Horus and try to convert the rest of their legion. In the end, Jagahtai was forced to sentence them to death in combat to expunge their shame.

@BM-is5ei

4 жыл бұрын

That was amazing. They gladly gave their lives for their primarch bc they knew that only in death they would be cleansed of their shame. I truely felt for them but on the other hand what they did was nothing but badass!

Of course they can be redeemed! Ask Asmodai 👌

@NychusX

4 жыл бұрын

" *R E P E N T !* "

@gustavogonzalez1884

4 жыл бұрын

INTERROGATE?! WHAT?! BOOK?! FALLEN?! REPEEEEEEEEEEENT?!

@The-Samuil

4 жыл бұрын

Did somebody say REPENT?

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

Our assumptions have been correct, He has a suspicious book, He is in cahoots with the Fallen Make him REPENT!

Short answer : No Long Answer: Sorta but still no

@Furzkampfbomber

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if there is a medium-length answer...

@ambur1377

4 жыл бұрын

@@Furzkampfbomber"Ehh no"

@doomyboi

4 жыл бұрын

@@ambur1377 "Nah, nah..."

@informationyes

4 жыл бұрын

@@Furzkampfbomber That's when someone just starts bursting out laughing going "my sides"

*in an extremely Diomedes tone of voice* "no"

@xXSpaceMexicanXx

4 жыл бұрын

"OGRYNS?!"

@dwreanchinotan

4 жыл бұрын

commander boreale "yes, brutha, NO!"

@refurbishedtechpriest9076

4 жыл бұрын

*Rogal Dorn:* No.

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

*alpharius* perhapssssssss

"What have a got in my pocket?" "...That's a hole in your chest, dude." "It's a CYCLONIC TORPEDO!" :D "NANI?!"

Perhaps. Remember, by this point in the timeline, probably most Chaos Marines are not from the HH era - they were made from children captured, or even bred, by the traitor Legion/Chapter/Warband they are part of. They never personally *turned away* from the Emperor's Light, as it were, they never had a chance to be in it. I think they might be redeemed if they turned away from Chaos, actually *seeking* the Emperor's Light and service to the Imperium.

@alexandremenard3833

4 жыл бұрын

Most traitor legionnairies are still from the HH era. That's kinda the point of what is miserable about them, they keep fighting, and some that are dead even come back because there is no time in the warp and can be brought again and again.

@joni1297

4 жыл бұрын

Actually no, the chaos legions/chapters cannot replenish their forces by recruiting/capturing kids, their domain is the warp and the only reinforcements they have are chaos demons. Chaos space marine legions are slowly shrinking , not every Chaos marine gets brought back after they die, their chaos gods send their souls to eternal punishment simply because they failed to live and slay their enemies.

@JabberwockOclock

4 жыл бұрын

Jon, They totally replenish their ranks with gene seed. There are plenty of planets they can shake down for children, or populations of slaves on their vessels to recruit from. There's a video on this very channel that goes on about the subject, even mentioning that the World Eaters' apothecaries run a eugenics program to breed higher quality slaves.

@nafsiammara

4 жыл бұрын

That'd be an interesting story. A converted loyal Second Born warband trying to make contact without just being shot at immediately.

@accywacky2699

4 жыл бұрын

@@JabberwockOclock What this guy said, while making new marines from scratch is difficult, a raid that obtains viable geneseeds from a loyalist chapter certainly can be used to create new chaos marines who will, naturally, be given training and armed as per their chaos force's inclinations. Some will also draft/recruit renegade marines that enter the eye as squads or whole chapters that have gone rogue as long as they hit that sweet spot of "competent enough that we want them but not so competent that we'd have to kill them for trying to take over the recruiter's rank in the legion before we can get proper use out of them". Another way is to conscript from other legions... Abaddon's black legion is rather known for doing this and most of the "cult marines" serving in his legion are indeed draftees taken by making warbands of said cult-marines swear allegiance to Abby (or suffer a very painful and unmercyful end). A notable exception to the above would be the thousand sons, but those can be re-forged, its just a question of how much of the original enchanted suit and/or dust you have to work with vs how many souls you'll have to sacrifice to get a shiny new dust-bucket.

Only in death can they be redeemed...or be like TTS Magnus. Then again, he did nothing wrong.

@OmniGSage

4 жыл бұрын

*Intentionally

@GrandacornGrandacorn

4 жыл бұрын

Fuckin Magnus!

@ArcherDrake287

4 жыл бұрын

Magnus did wrong lol don't act like he didn't do any mistakes lol he even admitted he had no other way to do what he had to do but through disobeying the Edict of Nikea and of course disobeying it's enforcer and creator, The Big E

@vegacomplex8290

4 жыл бұрын

From what I understand is that the only traitor primarch who actually did nothing wrong would be Mortarion.

@insertnamehere8274

4 жыл бұрын

@@OmniGSage Smart man

I'm personally partial to a theory that Alpha Legion are still somewhat "closet loyalists", as per the Legion Horus Heresy book

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

Read the shroud of night and sons of hydra they are committed to being loyalist and not out against the imperium and still mostly against there original enemy the primordial annihilators

@noelienoelie8425

4 жыл бұрын

@@bryce4724 Thank you been looking for alpha legion stuff. Still green here, the flesh is weak, the machine is strong !

@Freedmoon44

2 жыл бұрын

@Tigran Abazyan to the now overly religious zealous and extremist imperium with twisted ideals? As if they would 1 accept it, 2 care, 3 not attempt to kill the Alpha Legion for all they ahev done previously

The Emperor is all forgiving. But to send them there is up to me...

“If redemption is what you seek, then that is what I will give you.” -Gabriel Angelos.

I've worked on a fanfic where a chaos marine redeemed himself. He never rejoined the imperium of man he merely accepted that though he'd never be among his brothers again he could at least help them from behind enemy lines. His only companion being a lay priestess he saved from slavers with a severely damaged psyke. They travel doing small things to give hope to people born within the territories of chaos. I know it sounds way too positive for 40k but hey it was fanfiction and I had fun with the idea :) Redeemable or not I like the idea that maybe a little hope can still save them

@endreszentgyorgyi5270

8 ай бұрын

Hi! I know it’s probably too late to ask, but I’ll do it anyway, do you remember the name of that fanfic? It seems really interesting and I would like to read it!

Its a nice hint in Dark Imperium novel, where it says how the Scythe of Mortarion is still untaintes,uncorrupted by chaos.the steel is still pure, still shiny.basicaly its the last piece of Mortarion belongings, what still contains his humanity, and its a remainder for him of his life before the heresy. I think deep inside mortarion seeks redemption, he hates nurgle and he hates that he is a pawn of a chaos god. If the Emperor would awake one day, and if they would talk, i see a chance for redemption for Mortarion. Same for Magnus, who never wanted to be a traitor, but was forced to flee into the eye of terror. Angron has every right to hate his father. The only way to save Angron, is to ressurect somehow his fallen comrades lost in the last battle on Nuceria, and tell him personally that he is sorry about it. Then and only then is a little chance to redeem Angron. Lorgar though is a treacharous piece of shit, and deserves no redemption. The night hauntera are simple maniacs, psychopats. And Fullgrim was lost when he killed Ferrus.

@reximingan9420

4 жыл бұрын

Angron is too angry to change, too spiteful, too stubborn. Even with the Emperor resurrecting his people and saying he is sorry will not change him back. Guilliman even said THIS to him. Yeah the Emperor has been a dick to him but that doesn't mean he has to do the same to his sons. Saying he hates politician like in Nuceria because of what they did to him when he is just repeating what they done to him now to his own sons and imagine if the Emperor didn't beam him and somehow he manages to survive, An entire populace of Nuceria equipped or forcefully, surgically attached with the FUCKING NAILS and his own tactic of throwing his sons in the battlefield like replaceable Automatons is fucked up.

@reximingan9420

4 жыл бұрын

And Fulgrim, somehow, someway manages to still live in a Clone body. Now he seeks redemption though he is in the collection of Trazyn.

To quote a sound bite from a loyalist Space Marine squad: “Burn, heretic!” I don’t think there’s any welcome arms in the Imperium.

@wholesome_masochist4113

4 жыл бұрын

What squad? That was John hurt being awesome, but unless it's a salamanders tac squad, nobody says that.

"...make him repent Asmodai."

Now I want a story about a Chaos Space Marine chapter going to war against their own patron god, either out of spite, a misguided sense that they can somehow "beat" their chaos god, or a genuine, unexpected change of heart. They'd be doomed to fail and face unholy punishment from their chaos god, but the battle leading to that grim end would be extraordinary.

The Night Lords serve neither the chaos gods nor the Emperor. No gods no masters. AVE DOMINUS NOX!!

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

I still want Hashut to not only return but also transcend to 40K as the Chaos God of the Dark Mechanicus. It would be more of a weaker God, likely defeated by the C'tan Dragon in the past and often coerced (by threats) to serve the Big 4.

1st Legion: *Sweats in Unforgiven*

Pretty sure, the answer to anything in the grim dark is "Only in death can (insert situation here) be absolved."

@GhostPotato268

4 жыл бұрын

Only in death can death be solved lol

THEY JUST NEED A DADDY

@MasterGhostf

4 жыл бұрын

A fatherly figure is the best defense against the powers of chaos.

@reximingan9420

4 жыл бұрын

How about a mother?

@xinexodar2529

4 жыл бұрын

Ha ! I see you're a man/woman of culture as well

@Astavyastataa

4 жыл бұрын

*HUMONGOUS TERMINATOR DADDIES*

@bryan0x05

4 жыл бұрын

@@reximingan9420 these men do not have mothers, only a corpse for a dad

A wise inquisitor told me, "ONCE A HERETIC! ALWAYS A HERETIC!"

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

That's right Inquisitor, this video right here.

I remember a story of a plague marine who with the help of a eldar farseer renounced his loyalty to chaos and died fighting his tainted brothers

I know that people don't like me bringing AoS lore into 40k but the nature of souls and Chaos are the same in both universes so its relevant. There is actually a well documented case of a soul that is corrupted by Chaos being redeemed in the story of Tornus the Redeemed. Apologies in advance for such a long comment. Tornus was a proud warrior and follower of Sigmar who's tribe fell victim to a Nurgle invasion where he was unfortunately taken alive, tortured for months, and eventually turned to the worship of Nurgle out sheer desperation. He was renamed Torglug the Despised and would rise up the ranks of his war band till he was one of the most powerful Nurgle's Chaos Lords in the realm and spread havoc for centuries in the name of Chaos. Torglug would experience a sort of crisis of faith when Sigmar's forces eventually reclaimed the realm and Torglug himself was struck down by Sigmar's avatar, the Celestant Prime. However, instead of going to the realm of Chaos like all other champions who failed the Dark Gods, Torglug found himself before Sigmar who saw his doubts and the disgust he felt deep down and deemed him worthy of absolution. Sigmar then purified Torglug's soul back into Tornus using powerful magic and resurrected him as a Stormcast Eternal (demigod) in order to fight for redemption. So in conclusion, I would say that a Chaos Marine could be redeemed in both body, mind, and soul but it would require both the marine to want to be redeemed AND a god-tier amount of power to break their connection to the Dark Gods and repair their corrupted bodies.

I love how TTS has broken literally every single comment section about wh40k with references. It might well be the best thing to have happened to the whole IP of GW in AT LEAST A decade.

speaking of Magnus, there that that band of 1000 sons who were swayed back after that speech by that one remaining loyalist Emperors Children dreadnaught. Admittedly they all killed themselves shortly afterwards to destroy Fulgrim (or at least That Daemon that was still possessing his now mutated original body and left his soul inside a certain painting whilst blatantly lying to Horus that he was free. (I still think that a certain clone currently in Stasis really has a fragment of Fulgrims original uncorrupted soul.

@NicPTheMeme

2 жыл бұрын

Are you talking about Rylanor, Vistario and his crew? Vistario and The Boys were 1k Sons legionnaires sent to Isstvan III to check out Rylanors beacon for Fulgrim, who was Blammed (tm) back into the warp by Rylanors improvised virus bomb (everyone else was killed)

That's a complex question with a very simple answer. No.

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps

I don't think it is a matter of if they can be redeemed, but more of how could they be. Like what would they have to do, undergo, or endure to be redeemed. This would make it that some of the chapters that were not as corrupted might have to do something pretty understandable, but than others that were vastly more corrupted an turned from the emperor would have to do/undergo things nearly impossible. Imagine what they would have to do to reclaim their soul, fighting to a place in the warp that might hold their soul an reclaim it for instance.

@bryce4724

4 жыл бұрын

Counter point (very crude lore for my cell) Alpha legion splinter cell taking control of some planets post failure of chaotic success leading to chaos downfall Raises army under the old rule of the emperor (alpha legion put a lot of time and effort into there mortals) Gathers info on the imperium wile fighting against chaos. Changes names and banners into the serpent crusaders. Wrights really convincing lies and shotty lore for the imperial fists to find suggesting they are a splinter of the black templars. Obtain gene seed for making it official in testing. Run right under the banner of those who killed alpharius and wait for omegons call.

Oh man, Rem, that was an awesome and in lightening episode. I've been asking you to do this vid, and you finally came through. Thanks, man.

There is no doubt a minor chaos god in the image of the emperor, even chaos space marines, so long as they haven’t already been claimed, could find redemption by swearing fealty to it. Thinking about it that would be a good backstory for the Legion of the Damned, it would certainly explain the name.

Knock Knock. 40K Theories: Sweating profusely "The Inquisition has come for me". Me: "They dont knock".

@Furzkampfbomber

4 жыл бұрын

Commissars, though...

When someone pledges their soul to Chaos one cannot be redeemed and you couldn’t trust them again even if they had “a change of heart”. The only thing to do is give them a good blamming in the head

In a book called Chaos World, a traitor astartes of I believe the Word Bearers legion who is so corrupted he has eyes all over his armour, cuts all of it off, and blows up the planet in order to redeem himself. He goes with the planet, but it's interesting to think of how many would return to the emperor of man if they didn't need to blow themselves up.

Well, there was this little chapter way back when called the soul drinkers...They so dipped their ceramite toes into the mutative end of the chaos pool but they never did lose their loyalty to the Big E himself. Even getting their name etched into the black haul of the Phalanx itself

"Can traitor Astartes be redeemed?" "Rylanor deserves better than you O' primarch, Rylanor deserves better than all of us"

Shouldent the 2 thousand suns sorcerers be counted too who died because on rylenor on istvan

About to watch the video but my first thought is the clone of Fulgrim.

@nowhereman6019

4 жыл бұрын

I want him to come back so bad. It would be so cool.

@MiddleAgedGuy73

4 жыл бұрын

@@nowhereman6019 totally agree! I honestly think they will at some point, hopefully they don't just kill him

@hectorandem2944

4 жыл бұрын

@@MiddleAgedGuy73 Why would he be killed? He's currently serving time as a shiny full-scale tabletop piece for a Necron collector. 🐸☕

1:35 Cypher being like "IMMA PRANK THESE BITCHES!"

@notreallyhere67

4 жыл бұрын

Killaim “Welcome to another episode of Cypher Stalks People”

It ultimately depends upon whether you are querying if they can truly be "redeemed" of their taint (as in re-enter the protection which had they'd previously known under the Emperor's light gleaming upon their Body & Soul (Almost, universally answered in the negative) or if they can merely come to an accepting of something nearing remorse or at the very least regret, and decide merely to find a form of "Name Redemption" a cleansing upon their tarnished legacy, or honor (but, lacking the possibility of ever purifying their bodies or soul of it's inabsolvable taint) purchased only through atonement by acting against their patrons with honest contrition. Defying their dread host for the Emperor although, knowing it's in spite of their souls remaining forever forfeit regardless. (This, although very much possible... it's a choice that's extremely unlikely to be made... and even more an unquestionably daunting road to set down upon even for an Adeptus/Legionnaires Astartes.) Compound this further, most Astartes who have followed the eight-fold path far enough to be declared excommunicate traitorous have like fallen far beyond caring about their legacy or perceived honor within Imperial Archives or by remembrancers let alone even considering or more laughably succumbing to something they'd consider as universally hindering as remorse...

What is this heresy? By the emperor, even thinking about this is outlawed by the ordo hereticus! If you were not an Inquisitor, this would have gotten you into a lot of trouble! Great video btw, really enjoyed it

Can Traitor Astartes Ever Be Redeemed? Yes, with a good old bolt round to the head. *Thanks everyone, that's all.* _now report to your nearest Inquisitor_

@Marinealver

4 жыл бұрын

We have "vaccinations" and purity campa.for the lot of you.

Ardaric Vaanes was a Renegade Raven Guard who finally managed to redeem himself by helping Uriel Ventris Thousand Son Sorcerer Vistario arguably redeemed himself by shooting his Raptora Akhtar in the head, thus allowing Ancient Rylanor to detonate a Life Eater Virus bomb in Fulgrim's face.

The fact that Parmenides, the philosopher that stated that movement is but an illusion and that unchanging and unmovable order was the Arke of the universe, became a daemon of the lord of unmoving order is a delightful easter egg

SM chapters gather around discussing about redemption Ultra "They have forsaken and once is enough, they can only be redeemed by a bolter to the head!" Salamanders "Perhaps they have seen their faulty ways, perhaps they may redeem themselves again" Iron First "Only if they sacrifice the entire Iron Warriors traitor chapter we will allow" Space Wolves "Over our dead bodies" Blood Angels ... *Stealing others Relics* "Wha..What yall say?"

Another example of a chaos marine fully devoted to one of the chaos god being able to find some form of redemption, was in the short story "The Ancient Awaits" When a Thousand Sons sorcerer (sorry, can't remember his name now) and his Raptorae found Ancient Rylanor from the Emperor's Children legion on Istvaan 3 10k years after the Istvaan Atrocity. Rylanor sent a beacon to lure Fulgrim so he could slay him by detonating a virus bomb, which had been contained by the sorcerer. Rylanor would be ripped from his sarcophagus by Fulgrim, who tried to convince the dreadnought to join hil. Rylanor's words of loyalty to the Emperor and his hatred toward his primarch had somehow inspired the sorcerer to let the virus bomb detonate, stating that Rylanor deserved better than any of them

First of all, through the Emperor anything is possible. Jot that down.

Be blessed by the emperor's light

If a corrupted astartes were to sit in a jail cell guarded by Sisters of Silence for a prolonged period of time, what would happen? Would that be enough to squeeze the warp out of him?

I'm pretty sure it said in one of the Gathering Storm books that Magnus would repent in order to save the Rubrics - something which Yvrainne DOES almost right after.

Of course, redemption is always available to one who truly wishes to change their ways. Although the Imperium may wish to exact the highest price for that. That might be a deal breaker.

@SymbioteMullet

4 жыл бұрын

And your ways will be changed. Hail the lords of change. Hail Tzeench.

That was so cool hearing about the loyalists fighting along side traitors would like t hear more. Would like to hear about the new prophet of the night Lords DECIMUS think he could end up being the most badass chaos Lord yet.

There is a finite line between the renegade, and the heretic. Not every renegade is a heretic, but most heretics turned renegade prior to their heresies. The Bedab War and Siege of Vraks are both good examples of once (mostly) altruistic resistances with home of changing the systems that the Imperium was forced to work with, only to sour with the dark powers that first suggested these things. And more often than not, when a smaller force realizes the full breath of danger they must face against with the combined Imperium, the Ruinous powers becomes that much more appealing, and thus more likely to lead to damnation with no remorse.

Only if they sit on the naughty step and promise to never, ever, do it again.

- Chaos Marine in an office: ''Hello, I've decided being evil is not for me and would like to re-join the imperium.'' - Administrator: ''Well....erm...yeah.....I'd love to let you back in...buuutt...How can I say this?.... You look and smell like Jabba The Hut was harpooned in the stomach a few times and left out on the desert floor for a couple of weeks.'' - Chaos Marine: Oh yeah haha, that was just Nurgle...He so silly!''

As soon as I find my bolt pistol I can answer your question

@dr.ivoeggmanrobotnik4011

4 жыл бұрын

You forget the Emperor forgives

@fiercemushroom4840

4 жыл бұрын

@@dr.ivoeggmanrobotnik4011 Yep, his forgiveness can be found in the fires of holy prometheum.

The thousand sons are pretty big questionmark they where kinda forced to chaos due to Horus conviencing Russ to destroy propsero instead just getting Magnus to terra. "If the path to salvation leads through the halls of purgatory, then so be it." Azhek Ahriman from the thousand sons

I was going to make the argument that a person of devout enough faith, such as a living saint, could purge the taint of chaos from a corrupted marine if they were truly repentant. But if a fully corrupted individual's soul belongs to their patron god, it sounds like the ONLY person that could truly free them would be the Emperor Himself. Maybe if the Emperor would be to regain more of His consciousness and power, He could barter with/battle the gods for His faithful's souls, much like Chegorach does with Slaanesh.

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@WackadoodleMalarkey

4 жыл бұрын

I'll trade ya for these obnoxious Seth Rogan/Billy Mays wannabe commercials

@jdavis9817

4 жыл бұрын

Ironic coming from Carl Marx but same

@PoeticMistakes

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdavis9817 not at all ironic, he is a billion trying to buy an election

@ufos15630

4 жыл бұрын

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@HandlesAreStupid2024

4 жыл бұрын

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Renegade Astartes / Unaligned CSM: Definitely yes considering there are multiple instances in canon where it's happened. Marked CSM: ...are basically big bags of chaos whose mark of favor will corrupt Imperials by their very proximity and regardless of their intentions... so outside of a Living Saint or some other immensely powerful Imperial entity cleansing / purging / burning that mark off... no.

Yes, with the emperors peace. but they wont find peace, they sold their soul long before and will only continue to live their afterlife suffering the same torments they inflicted on others.

Without a doubt, yes. Huron Blackheart physically purged his corruption in his book and then, instantly, decides to go back to the power of Chaos. There is some way to remove corruption and taint; but nobody knows how because the Imperium wont accept defectors or enemy's into its ranks so there is no motivation to seek out moral or physical redemption methods - unless you're a chaos warrior seeking to avoid spawndom.

I'll now play my Eye of Terror card...REDEMPTION: "Vorchiss, Sorcerer of Tzeentch, has been the pawn of Chaos for ten thousand years. With each year he felt his humanity slip away little by little. While navigating one of the great ships of Abaddon's fleet he feels the death cry of a mortal world echoing through the Warp, another world slaughtered by the Despoiler. In that moment he decides he can no longer walk the path of damnation and looks upon the Light of the Emperor, in hope of redemption. He is rewarded with the strength to steer the vessel he is navigating into a raging Warp maelstrom thereby ensuring that at least one host of monsters will not reach the Imperial world of Agripinaa."

Ardaric Vaanes I think is one of the rare cases of being redeemed that the raven guard was willing to recover his gene seed.

It's weird to think The Night Lords, a traitor legion known to cosplay as Necron Flayers, are *more* forgivable than the Thousand Sons, who are as mild as it gets for Chaos Legion.

Would outliving the Imperium be considered redemption?

@AG_HP7

4 жыл бұрын

If there's is no church...there's is no faith or God....so technically YES

@stevenbean9731

4 жыл бұрын

that’d be like waiting for your grandpa to die and saying you’re redeemed even though he never forgave you for almost killing him

Ok, I know you get a ton of comments but I dont know if you have covered this topic: Fabius Bile - what is he really trying to do? If he keeps cloning primarchs and is trying to get cloning right what is the end game? While watching your video on the potential for Sanguinius's Resurrection I thought about one disturbing idea. What if Bile is trying to reverse engineer the Emperor? If you have a video on it please let me know. If not, wanna make one? Lol

I'd say the renegade marines, the ones that dont fall to chaos but stop supporting the imperium could be.

Yep, they just need to make an appointment first with Asmodai for... spiritual realignment.

When Abbadon the Despoiler bows before the Emperor in guilt for his crimes will be the time chaos is truly defeated, the age of the imperium comes to an end, and Games workshop vows to donate all of their profits to charity

I have a question for more experienced 40k fans. Could chaos have taken on the imperium before the heresy? Chaos used the traitors to do the majority of damage to the imperium, but if none of the primarchs and legions betrayed the emperor, would they have had the power to defeat chaos? The emperor wouldn’t have been mortally wounded, all primarchs would be fighting for humanity, Malcador would still live, and the amount of marines and titans would be greater the after the heresy.

@danksinatra9146

4 жыл бұрын

i think the threat posed by the emperor is what caused the chaos gods to conspire and plan the heresy to begin with. so... yes.

@doomyboi

4 жыл бұрын

Chaos by its nature cannot ever truly be defeated, but if the Imperium had never been riven by the Heresy then Chaos would easily have been contained within its own dimension and something might have been devised to make that containment permanent.

I don’t know for Space Marine but in the Konrad Curze Primarch book (spolier ahead) The Emperor tells him that all the fallen Primarch are not behind redemption. So maybe if a primarch can do it, his sons can also in an extent do it. Be it, it would require a space marine with extraordinary will.

I would say based on your actions against the Imperium. But it would also be depending on who's deciding who deserves that chance, so if you had lets say Dorn judging every traitor astartes coming through, he would most likely put them all into the ground and use the remains as a platform for a new fortress. Girlyman on the other hand MIGHT give them a chance if he sees they are actually worthy of it redemption but would also be just as reluctant to crush their skull like Asmodai in a room full of people who know the secrets of the Dark Angels.

No, but they can be cleansed, penance is a dish best served with promethium. | 1:58 - The sons of Spiky Tits. | 4:11 - The Lamenters being an unlucky chapter of Blood Angel origins. | The Knights Errent are basically Loyalist elements of Traitor Legions. | 7:05 - As in a mix of Ultrasmurf and Dark Angel? | 8:40 - So, they have similar ideas to the Iron Hands? | 9:26 - Both of those are Imperial Fists successors and they had a rivalry before the Codex Astartes was written. | 11:19 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs.

I know of at least one instance of somebody being wholly corrupted by chaos and then feeling regret for it, but that kind of had the extraordinary circumstances of the Emperor Himself blasting the chaos (and his soul) out of him.

Seems to me it's quite simple to be declared renegade if you cross the wrong Inquisitor even as a Space Marine. E.g. Inquisitor "Lay siege to this hive city, it is full of the enemies of the Empire" Space Marine Captain "Are you sure? Doesn't seem so to us" Inquisitor * Glares * SMC * Shrugs * Inquistor "Sooooooo you defy an order from the holy inquisition? Sound like something a renegade might do" SMC "Wait what? Now wait just a second..." Inquisitor "Aha! Bargaining for more time so your heretical friends can sneak out of the backdoor eh? I KNEW IT"

I like hearing about stuff like this. It’s much more interesting that the fate/redemption of a renegade/traitor Astartes is more complicated than just death. Edit: wanted to add more to my feelings. The “only in death” answers and memes are fun and all. But the idea of only in death can they find redemption doesn’t allow for varied or interesting storytelling.

A dude made concept art for a chaos marine that wanted to be back In the imperium,so what they did was remove and parts of his armor with chaos symbols and did not repair the armor as punishment,they were also covered in a load of holy seals and the such

For an overpowered super monkey with heavy space marine armor, it is difficult not to succumb to the idea of Godhood. That's where uncle inquisitor and his favorite toy comes along - Exterminatus. Purge the unclean. (dreadnought voice)

Yes. Vistario of the Thousand Sons killed himself and his squad so Ancient Rylanor could set off a Virus Bomb in Fulgrim's demonic face, out of respect for Rylanor's adamantium Loyalist balls.

I think it really depends on what you call a win. I think a chaos marine could in theory do a lot of good and save a lot of lives before their death if they had a change of heart. Assuming it was more than a last minute thing on their death bed they could have years to kill enemies of mankind, destroy fellow chaos worshipers and aliens like the Tyranids. It's a matter of balance I suppose. How many worlds must you save to make up for those you destroyed? Can it ever be enough and does it even matter if your eternal soul is still damned in the end? Or does it take actually killing a chaos god some how and freeing your soul to really count?

The greatest example is cptn. Vandred of the NL. Or better known as the Exaulted. In his last moments he gave a big fat FU to the demon that possessed him. But it is a fascinating theory that traitors very well might be continuing to worship chaos bc they know that they are screwed for eternity if they turn against their gods.

World Eaters: Khorne Berzerkers Emperor's Children: Noise Marines Death Guard: Plague Marines Did the Thousand Sons become anything specific/get a unique name or are they still just called the Thousand Sons?

@40KTheories

4 жыл бұрын

Rubric Marines

@MeetYourDarkSide

4 жыл бұрын

@@40KTheories Really? That's new to me, thanks!

so technically a Black Legionnaire could be in the DeathWatch chapter

I do enjoy your work. You are now a legend in the imperium that true, but even legend are not safe from the dark power of the immaterium it seems. The only fact of bringing a question like this to the mind of the weak could mean only one thing and one thing only. HERESY !!! And how we deal with heresy ? Us the true son of the emperor 40k theories? WITH FIRE !!! You maybe have forgotten so , when you have commit the ultimate sin of heresy trying to trade heresy with power but WE HAVE NOT.

Just going to say, most of the rank and file Astartes didn't really "choose" to become chaos. And 95% of them are dead at this point. So the only ones really left are the named ones who did choose.. so no one to really "save"

since the warp seems to work on belief i'd assume the problem of "eternal damnation" is more to do with a corrupted marine that came to his senses believing he's not worthy of absolution than actually being damned... but then again...the chaos gods are the embodiment of a specific trait so as long as they maintain that belief/trait i'd assume they could not be free.

I would believe so personally. Anyone can have a change of heart and redeem themselves if they so wished. However when it comes to those blessed by chaos it seems unlikely their malicious patrons can be rebuffed save by the Emperor's power.

When the Emperor's life casket fails, the very heart of the Imperium will fall to Chaos. So, unless they find another alternative/contingency against the ruinous powers, they are effectively screwed. And then the Tau can move in and mop up, lol!

My own space marine chapter are renegades due their opposition to the inquisition and the way they treated the celestial lions chapter. They also disapprove of the way the imperium is run. While being renegades they still protect humanity. They will go to great lengths to protect civilian life and the people they believe the imperium walks all over. I've written them a sort of proper knights and good guys, sort of like the salamanders and space wolfs