Who makes the best Patch Cable? To find out, we've enlisted KZread’s most prolific tone-experts to compare the top patch cables on the market, determining which cable sounds the best! Check out the sound clips linked below, and tell us which cable YOU think sounds the best! 🔊 PATCH CABLE .WAV FILES 🔊 Les Paul (Clean) - bit.ly/3ojOZc8 Les Paul (Dirty) - bit.ly/39lhzW7 Stratocaster (Clean) - bit.ly/2NGf9Jt Stratocaster (Dirty) - bit.ly/36fYJ0K 🎵 PATCH CABLE LOOK-UP TABLE 🎵 Cable 1 - Lava Tightrope ( amzn.to/3sZSBDC ) Cable 2 - Canare GS-4 ( amzn.to/2YiRZec ) Cable 3 - George L .155 ( amzn.to/3t2tpw2 ) Cable 4 - Mogami 2314 ( amzn.to/39lhPVl ) Cable 5 - Evidence Monorail ( amzn.to/2Yl40zy ) Cable 6 - Mogami 2319 ( amzn.to/36dYmUm ) Cable 7 - Best Tronics CA-0678 ( btpa.com/CA-0678.html )

@C_Moore

3 жыл бұрын

I really dig the clarity of the Mogami 2314, and the flexibility of routing the cable on the pedalboard when locking down the pedals.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@C_Moore For sure, that's my vote if I added my take to the list of established artists and KZreadrs that weighed in.

@Tone2town

3 жыл бұрын

No counting on the best sturdy ... as far as tone George L will always win hands down .

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tone2town it's all a matter of taste in the end. With a buffer, it's all pretty negligible.

@Tone2town

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc I got an input buffer plus using the Swiss things buffer by Earth Quaker Devices Such a great unit! I can literally run 30 foot cable and I barely hear a difference in tone loss. Thanks Mr. Mason great video .👍🏻

After watching the video carefully and listening to all the WAV files, I definitely prefer the Mogami cables because I just bought 6 of them and spent hours soldering them. ;-)

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha...as good a reason as any! Just get a high quality buffer and now the cables are irrelevant.

@Kapsouro

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc i will. I saw your video a few months back where you explained the characteristics of a good buffer for switchers. Will go back to that and make a decision.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kapsouro yes, or you can build our DIY buffer and make it exactly how you want it.

@Kapsouro

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc OK. Let me see..

@ChonkTek

2 жыл бұрын

I bought some Mogami W series cable and made several patch cables with various ends using varied solder techniques. Every single one of them sounded stiffer and more sterile compared to all the other cables I have used over time. Both cable directions were tested and we found one orientation to sound marginally less harsh with a little bit more punch, but interestingly, both directions sounded more tight and lifeless compared to other cables' worst sounding orientations. No more Mogami cables for us. We were asked by a studio to create a bunch of patch cables, and they said they wanted Mogami, and it was interesting how they were shocked to hear this info. The cable comparison was heard by the client, and they agreed the Mogami didn't let through the dynamics and realism of the source signal. It is as if they act as a compressor! They also impart a sibilant quality on the mids. Be sure to listen to the cables you plan to use!

so wait....did i win? hahaha

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

We're all winners! Throw a buffer in there and you win the "Tone Lottery" every time no matter what cable you choose :)

@CoryWongMusic

3 жыл бұрын

real winner is that buffer. i had no idea

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@CoryWongMusic buffer all day! Or for you, the wireless is the input buffer

I like the Mogami cables, but I also like the fact that a good buffer makes the difference in cables negligible. This is especially true in a live environment. Remember those? We used to play live back in the days before C-19 viruses...

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! A high quality buffer (not just any buffer), will nullify the differences between the cables for the most part!

I’ve learned more from these buffer/cable videos than I thought. Totally saved my tone. I get it, it’s a taste thing. For me a solid input and output buffer is a saving grace. Stick to his impedance recommendations, they make a huge difference. If it’s not listed, ask the company. I’ve had great results just asking. Here is a list of pedals I’ve found that have Masons impedance recommendations. Strymon: Timeline, BigSky, El Cap, Mobius, BlueSky. (I’m sure there is more) Meris: so far all their pedals. TC Electronic: all pedals (newer) Boss: none.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏 glad you’re fining it helpful !

Watching the videos has inspired me to rebuild my board with mogami 2319. I am absolutely blown away! Mason, thanks for your inspiration.!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

So glad you hear it! Our pleasure!!!

So i guess I have to rewire my boards with George L's *solderless* then?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

NOOOOOOO!!! Remember, buffers are the GREAT equalizer of all cables. Use a good buffer, cable no longer matters :)

Hey Mason. Thanks for putting all these great people together to settle the matter.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! All a matter of taste in the end, but Lava and Mogami seemed to separate themselves.

This is wild. I just purchased a Landau Boost this morning from someone. This is basically a video on why I’m getting one! So pumped. To my ears, they all sounded pretty good (props on recording) but I like that top end on the lava for cleans. The mogami 2319 for dirty.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Did you download the .wav files? I actually think the Lava was most attenuated compared to the others, when I did the test I picked the Mogami 2314 most consistently.

@NORRATHBEAST

3 жыл бұрын

Vertex Effects only on my Sony Headphones. I’ll listen later through my interface and monitors.

Thank you very much for doing this. Getting these guys to chime in was absolutely gold. I've been on the fence for a while now on what patch cable to buy but now I can see how other people I follow and look up to (experts) describe what we all can hear together and I love the insight ❤Thank you again Rig DR

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! So glad you dig this!

Thank you for the effort that was put into this video. It seems like the attached audio samples are all different performances. It would have made sense to recorded one performance into a looper THEN run the same performance through each cable.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

No, looper would feed the cables a low impedance buffered signal, and then you're not hearing the capacitance in the same way. Looper would defeat the natural sound of the cable. Looper would make the signal active before hitting each respective cable.

Perfect timing! I just re-did my board with Mogami 2314 last night, switching form 2319. The 2314 was so easy to assemble and I did notice a bit more high end returning to my signal path even with an input/output buffer. However, I do have some cables made with the Evidence cable that sound great as well! Great video and thanks for providing the wav files!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, super easy, and as you can see, very favorable here. Use a buffer, and now they all are pretty much the same.

Hi Mason, Love your pedal boards and your effects. I really like the mogami cables! I've used them for about 10 years here on the reservation in cherokee nc. Prior to covid I played a lot of gigs at harrahs casino with these cables and they never failed. I teach young native americans how to play guitar for free and I could use those cables to give to my students whose parents cant afford these types of items. Love your channel and please keep all the great content coming!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!! And for sharing your story!!!

Awesome job creating the tones and gathering all of the tone masters for their input!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Heck yea! Seemed like a better way to do it than what we've done before with only one person as our data point.

I really liked the Mogami 2314. I've been a long time Lava user. I think that is going to change now. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

my pleasure! Glad you dig it! Please help us spread the word!

So basically having a buffer let’s you worry not about cables that much 😂 great video! It’s awesome to see that actually the difference is not THAT game changer

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Having a HIGH QUALITY BUFFER...remember the Boss wasn't as neutral as the Vertex (or fill in the blank other high quality buffer like I recommend).

@Dzamora612

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc exactly, is better to invest in a great buffer *cuff cuff vertex of course* rather than more expensive cables.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dzamora612 I recommend Mesa Boogie, Truetone, and TC all day long...you can use or DIY buffer as well which is pretty cheap and easy to customize.

@nazinas21

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc What about JHS Buffer?

@18JR78

3 жыл бұрын

@@nazinas21 I have 2 jhs buffers. The standard black box and the prestige. I used one at the beginning and one at the end. Recently replaced them with the Mesa Buffer Mason Recommended and it’s much clearer than the jhs one(it also has a on/off boost). The jhs one colors and compresses the sound a bit(but still a much better signal opposed to no buffer at all).

It's good to see you and Daniel interact with each other. Two of my favorite rig builders.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel is the man!!

WOW! Very enlightening! Especially about the different cables interactions with the high quality Vertex buffers! I have used George L patch cables for the past 15 years but it may be time to add a quality buffer and soldered connectors! Thanks Mason and Team!!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!!! Buffers are the real winners here (as Cory Wong said).

Great point about the buffers! Love the George L’s on my rig!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video!

I would select cable # 2 and cable # 4. I used Canare to connect old cd players and preamps. Your point about good buffers is spot on.

@VertexEffectsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Hey Mason, this was a super informative video. I watched on several different speakers/headphones to monitor the difference!! Thanks to your board build videos and materials list(s), I’ve used the Mogami 2319 with the corresponding square plug connectors. Gearing up for my 2021 build, I’ve been wanting to make the switch to the 2314. Even more so now as I primarily use single coils into a clean amp. Thanks again for all the education!!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing! Glad you dig the video!!!

George L’s for over two decades! Multiple pedal board builds, stage and studio. Terrific!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Did you download the .wav files and compare to see which you chose? I think they're fine, just solder them!

@LTJR.

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve still got them custom soldered from the original Valley Arts. And all the way back to Sessum! If you can believe that. The cable is still beautiful and doesn’t show oxidation. The quarter inch 90s that they used aren’t faring as well, but they were that round flat inexpensive 90 that was popular back then and they end up separating-The quarter inch round ground from the 90 pancake part that screws together. How embarrassing I don’t have better terminal terminology.

Great presentation. Been using George L and Lawrence cable for years with no significant issues. Going to start soldering though, so on to Mogami. At least for the cables on the pedalboard. Yes quality buffers are a must, even on a smaller board.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! And Mogami is great are are the George L's just gotta solder them!

Why not record once and re-amp the recording? Or record the riffs to a looper and play the loop for each cable? Eliminate one more variable. Also next time, I would either have one of the samples be the shortest possible cable (or omit the extra cable loop), or alternatively provide that as a sample/reference to give the listener something to which they can compare, because the tonal differences that they may or may not prefer can often be replicated or compensated within the EQ stack in a pedal or on the amp. Or maybe you DID provide them the direct reference, just as you did for us, the viewers? I'm spitballin' here! Obviously the video tickled my fancy. Thanks, Mason!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

The issue with doing that is it would be sending a low impeding signal to all of the patch cables, therefore and notifying the difference between them as you saw once the buffer was introduced. This was the only way to truly hear what the impact was of each individual cable. There was a clean control for every patch cable, I can link that folder to you if you’d like it in addition to the wav files that are published in the description where you can repeat this experiment yourself.

Hard to choose from a great lineup of cables, but since I play a Les Paul that Lava cable and the Mogami 2314 sounded the best with greater presence. Awesome video btw!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you dug the video!

The 2314 seems like a great all around cable. Although like you said they all sound pretty similar once you add a buffer. Totally going to upgrade all my patches soon. Thanks for doing this Mason!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! My pleasure!

Tbh, I thought the Boss buffer was closer to the "straight in the amp" tone. The Vertex boost sounded great as you could hear higher frequencies and provided more "presence", but the Boss sounded more like the "straight to amp". Stop, rewind, FF etc and it becomes really obvious.

@GraphiteandCigars

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

I have used the Lava TR for 5+ years and recently moved to the Canare GS4; I do use an Empress I/O buffer but there is a difference in the sound between the two! But the big difference is how much quieter everything is with soldered cables. I think the Lava was my favorite in general for this video, I’d be very interested in trying out the Monorail in comparison to the other cables! So I’ll take that off your hands. 😊 Cheers!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Download the WAV files and do a blind test yourself and see what you hear.

@ryanmbisson

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc - will do!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanmbisson lemme know if that changes your mind :)

I really like the 2314 but the highwire sounded amazingly crisp when played on it's own. Great video.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

The Highwire wasn't in the video, do you mean the buffer?

@danielfrabotta5501

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc Oh sorry, man. I meant the Lava. My bad. XD

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielfrabotta5501 gotcha

The Lava was quite impressive all around, tight, clean. The others were good overall, but have more noticeable high or low end differences against control. But if price was considered, the Mogami 2314 finds the lead. And as you mentioned, add a quality buffer and the difference really comes down to price and availability. I have been watching your buffer and rig doctor videos and am now understanding why there are so many fussing over their cable type, they don't have a decent buffer or simply don't have one. Thank you for this and your other videos. You can see the effort and care you put into them. They are very timely and helpful as I am putting together my first pedal board : )

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for the support!

Thank you for putting out all of these extremely informative videos. I obsess over tone, like many/most players and feel I know a fair amount about the subject but you have opened my eyes to several things. First, that I need a buffer at the beginning of my pedal board. Yesterday I ordered the TC Electronics Bona Fide based on your recommendation. I have the Fulltone True-Path ABY-HT splitter with built in buffers and phase/polarity switch at the end of my board driving two 20 foot Mogami cables to 2 vintage amps. Second, that all my true-bypass pedals are sucking up some of my tone as well. I’ve been using George L’s on my pedalboard for years and I’m very happy with them but If I were purchasing cables today, I’d probably go with the Lava Tightrope based on price or maybe the Mogami 2314. Every part of the signal chain is important but other parts more so. I recently discovered how much picks can affect the tone. I’m currently using the Blue Chip Jazz 50 (1.25 mm). $35 for a single pick is absolutely ridiculous but considering the amount of money I’ve spent on pickups, Faber stop tail & bridge, cables, pedals and vintage amps, it is actually a decent $$$ spent / tone improvement ratio. It is extremely low friction and has held up well. The Dunlop Eric Johnson Jazz III (nylon) would be my next pick. I just wish they made a version that was 1.25 mm.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

If you want to get some Mogami cables, which is what I prefer, we do sell them on www.therigdr.com and also on Reverb. Also we have some great DIY tutorials on how to make your own if your handy with a soldering iron. It all adds up having a great buffer, a at least a decent level quality cable.

Have used Mogami for years and will continue to....great video. Could actually hear some differences here!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! And download the .wav files if you want to do the shootout yourself!

Cool shootout! The Mogami sounded the best overall to me, but I plan to learn soldering so that I can start to make a buffer. That Les Paul straight into the Two Rock though wow 😯

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Heck yea!!! We have lots of great cable DIY videos on this so you can make your own just like us!

What a great video! I had no idea the difference between boosters. What a difference! I can see I may need to invest in a quality boost such as your Vertex Boost. I have the Boss TU3, and am now close to building my first pedalboard. I have the pedals chosen, not the board, but soon. They are residing on a large wooden TV dinner stand. Easier on my back as I play with their order. I dig your channel and have been subscribed quite awhile. If I am lucky enough to win any one of the cables used in your video, it would certainly be put to good use, and greatly appreciated. Either way I look forward to more of your videos. Oh, it was also very cool seeing some of the other folks I follow in this episode. Rock on!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and I'm glad you dig the content!

I would go with the Mogami 2314 because it seemed to react better with the Strat than with the Les Paul. The Strat pickups produce lower output than the PAFs which probably means that cable is more conductive than the others. Interestingly the Lava Tightrope sounded better with the Les Paul.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

That's my go to!

I definitely prefer the mogami , mostly because I spent close to a hundred dollars on them and spent hours soldering up my board

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

I think they're great, honestly within a fraction of a percentage choice here in this video, and also one of the least expensive and easiest to assemble.

@LTJR.

3 жыл бұрын

HaHa... Dylan Lee Cut through the crap right to the bottom line Huh?

I've always been a fan of the Mogami cables, never had any problems and they sound great. Congrats on the video!!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks for this great video! I like the Lava Cable the best, but they all sound pretty good. The take home message for me is to get a high quality buffer, which I don’t have. Thanks again!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed! I have several great ones (and most are poor that are out there commercially) listed in the description!

what an incredible video. thanks for conducting the experiment!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Like the way you presented comparison and getting feedback from the variety of artists

I use Mogami 2524 for my American Tele and Mogami patch cable w/Gold Neutric. Couldn’t be happier. Thanks for the video ;)

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Might be overkill, but it will work. Next step would be to get the high-quality Buffer

@kostischaveles

3 жыл бұрын

@Vertex Effects haha you are right. I only use these cables for recording my music. Although they are short cables and I use about 6 or 7 pedals I noticed a high frequency loss when comparing to the straight "Gtr -Amp" signal. Right now I only use the JHS Spring Tank Buffered bypass Reverb pedal which does a great job! I watched one of your videos recently about buffers and I will surely buy 1 or 2 separate units! Thanks 😊

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

That’s just a thick cable for a pedalboard, especially with Neutrik ends

Ahhhh good-stuff Fellas . . . the Never-ending Quest, for the perfect Tone. It's a rabbit-hole, that just goes deeper & deeper. Stay Safe guys. oNe LovE from NYC.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael! Hope you're great!

*Les Paul Clean:* 1 sounds the sweetest to me, 6 came in 2nd; *Clean Strat:* 5; *Les Paul Dirty* : 5, 7 came in 2nd; *Strat Dirty:* 7. Tomorrow I might pick completely different numbers. For some reason I liked no.1 on the clean Les Paul, but every other instance it sounded dull in comparison to the rest.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

What about the important question, wich one is the most durable?? Nice comparison!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Assuming they're assembled properly and soldered right, they'll all be about the same durability wise. Nothing on these is particularly fragile, maybe the solid corse stuff slightly.

I’m going to link this video anytime anyone says buffers ruin tone. Even the boss tuner buffer made a world of difference. I’d rather roll the tone off on the amp/pedals instead of just being stuck with a dark sound from a long cable.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

YES TOM! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I like the Mogami. It's always be worked for me.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, great cable, an easy to assemble!

Anyone on here rooting for the cables they use? So they feel better about their rig 😂😂😂😂

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

hahahahahaha

Absolutrely brilliant (as usual). Thank you so much Mason. YOU RULE! Mordi

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother Mordi!!!

how do you feel about the ernie ball patch cables?

@VertexEffectsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried them, can't say.

Thx...feeling better about my mix of George L’s and evidence cables. Great video Doc!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yessir, put a high quality buffer in front of them and you’ll really be in good shape! I highly recommend you solder them as well for reliability.

Love the video! For me the Lava Cable sounds the best, but the buffer as you say kinda gets rid of any differences, I needs to get me a good buffer!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

This was amazing, all I can say is thank you!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

In general i liked Cable 2, Canare. Great content Mason....enjoyed it lots! Thanks....jimmy

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you did it! Please help spread the word

Really informative. Thanks man.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏🙏

This is a great video. Quite a natural comparison. A video down the same vein but perhaps more 'scientific' would be to record the guitar directly into a DAW, then send that recording through the various loops. It would eliminate the variable in playing, and the response of amps. Very clinical but in combination with this video it would cover most bases. I'm currently rewiring my board. I have George L's, lava, monorail and now mogami 2314. I'll be ditching the George L's and lava for the mogami but keeping the monorail. With my rig the lava doesn't sound bad but is a little dull. George L's were always bright (given cables can't 'add' anything I always figured it was losing the lows) but that worked well with my guitar and amp. Monorail sounded just right to me and by all accounts the mogami is good as well. Might look at getting an input buffer at some point that's not the built in ES8 one. The biggest issue with the George and Lava was the connection with the solderless designs. George L's weren't too bad but I've had loads of issues with lava. Evidence SIS with monorail has been flawless to me and I am looking forward to soldered cables.

@VertexEffectsInc

Жыл бұрын

It won't work as you've describe because the outputs will then be all low impedance - you won't then hear how a guitar actually drives them as the guitar pickups are very high impedance and looping or re-amping won't provide the same type of signal. This is why it was done this way. If you like George L or Evidence, just solder them. The cable is fine, just the solderless element is the problem.

This is awesome Mason. I actually have used George L for a long time for patch and mogami for my actual line in and out of my board. I’d love to get one of these other brands a try!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Or just get a high quality dual buffer and solder the George L's and you're there!

@p.e.4978

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc very valid point lol

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@p.e.4978 thanks again for watching!

Mason I love your videos! :) thank you for your contributions

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

our pleasure!

I was really surprised to see how the different cables sounds. The Mogami to me sounded the bests with the Strat which is my main instrument. I’ll have to check them out for my board. I’m using a mishmash of different cables right now.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Heck yea!

Mogami platinum patch cable to allow more low end, what do you think?

Great episode! For me, the mogami 2314 sounds better. Now, if im using pedals, which buffer can I use at the end?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I love Mogami 2314! You can get a dual buffer like the Mesa Boogie High Wire if you want an all in one solution. If you want to get a separate input and output buffer, you could get a Truetone, Bonafide, or a Mesa Boogie Stowaway

I really like the Lava Tightrope and the Mogami 2314

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Both are great, or just throw a buffer in front of either and you're all set!

Looks like solid core is pretty sweet for LP. Makes for clean boards too. Interesting that people liked a darker sounding cable for their brighter guitar (Strat), but a brighter sounding cable for the darker guitar (LP). Buffer is good call on this. I like fuzz though so only on the output or possibly on the dual mono split.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found this useful!

WOW !!!! I would LOVE to receive the mogami 2314 patch cable ... simply because, i've been looking for it for ages ... since i 1st saw TheRiG Doctor tutorial for patch cables .... but its impossible to find the MOGAMI cables in my country PORTUGAL .. there's no place that sell it ... and even in Europe i cant find a dealer that would ship to POrtugal !!!! so it would be a dream came true to me .. if i was lucky enough to be one of the Lucky subscribers to receive it !!!! Stay Safe & Rock On Rui from POrtugal

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!!

Thanks for the video. Mogami 2314 sounded the best for me!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Have you ever tried Tour Gear Designs? If you have, what are your thoughts and how would you compare them to the other soldered patch cables in the video?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Haven’t tried them, but as you can see I this video, as the quality of the buffer increased the cable differences really normalized.

I have 2319’s right meow, but I’ve been looking for a possible change which brings me here. Really like the sound of the Lava’s though. Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Great! Glad it clarified it for you. Remember if you use a buffer, it won't really matter if it's 2319 or Lava.

@aarons6617

3 жыл бұрын

Vertex Effects Yeah that’s basically what I took away from all this. Thanks again!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@aarons6617 plenty of good ones linked in our description or you can use our DIY kits to build your own cheaply exactly how you want them.

This was really interesting. My rig was sounding weak and this video reminded me to double check the dip switches in my Polytune 3... The buffered bypass was off. Now I know why my bass was sounding like it was under water.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha! Amazing! Good catch! Thanks for watching!

This was absolutely amazing! Thanks for this!!

Thank for the video, very usefull. With that in mind I want to rebuilt my pedalboard with the Mogami 2314 and use the Mesa Engineering dual buffer. Thanks for the tutorial

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

That'll be a great combo!!!

Cables in general have a very low quality ceiling. You should strive to arm yourself with quality cables and avoid the complete low end garbage, but spending extra cash on fancy cables is also a waste of money because of diminishing returns

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, but put a high quality buffer before most cables and the sound will become negligible.

Cool comparison. Would like to see a buffer comparison too. Is your buffer op-amp based or discreet? If it's discreet is it an ultra-linear design or only focusing on impedence and noise floor?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, all OPAMP for the buffer in our boost. The DIY buffer we offer however is discrete. You can get to the same place on both, just a different approach.

Excellent resource IMO, so glad you did this. Will be comparing sound files with something like izotope to check my ears as I think I discern varying degrees of clarity in the mids as well and I'm 'cable curious' (pun)

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Fascinating experiment. With a small board like mine that has far less than 30 feet of patch cables in total, I guess the hi roll-off would be a bit less. I use wireless - which if I am not mistaken, means I have a buffer already. But it may not be the highest quality. Would it cause any negative impacts if I added a buffer as the first device in my board's signal chain (ie: two buffers in series). If I wanted to add a high quality buffer, are there any PCBs you can recommend? I am very space limited, and would want to build my buffer into as small of a box as possible.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

If you have 10 ft to the pedalboard and 10ft to the amp, that’s 20ft already. That in your patch cables and I bet you’re pretty close to where we are. Even still, the rules about buffering still apply, and you have to remember to we weren’t dealing with all the connections inside the pedals themselves, switches, etc. your wireless unit will act as an input Buffer, but you would still ideally need an output buffer in order to drive the line effectively back to the amplifier, because the pedals on the pedalboard will not be that effective at driving long lines without loss.

Hey mason, what if I wanted to use my tc polytune 3 with buffer as the beginning of my chain but then also i’m using fuzz face type of circuit. Where should i place the fuzz face? Before or after the tuner? Or change the tuner into true bypass mode? However, i do have mxr cae buffer at the end of my chain. Will that be good enough? Thanks

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Fuzz Face before the buffer. The CAE Buffer is inferior to the CAE Line Driver/Boost as a Buffer surprisingly. 1K output on the buffer, 100 ohm output if you get the Boost version. Crazy right?

Hi guys!!! I have a question. Can I connect the Lava Cable TightRope to the SquarePlug SP400 connector? I had a lot of surprises with solderless plugs. That's why I ask. I want to leave the cables and just change the plugs. Cheers!!!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

I think you can check the diameter specs on Squareplugs site. It should be OK, at worst you'll need the SP500 instead.

man, I was digging the net for this comparison for a while now. SUBSCRIBED and I only own one pedal :))

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

so glad you dig it!

It’s a very interesting/informative/great video as always .

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

So glad you dig it!!!

Hey Mason! What if I just have only one or two pedals in front, 10ft cable from my guitar, a patch cable and another 10ft cable from the pedal to the amp? Do I still need to have buffer? Thanks man!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Test it with a true bypass loop and see how much you're loosing

@kenminerva

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc thanks man!

Been very happy with Mogami 2314 for a few years now.

#4 was a clear standout to me. #5 not too bad either. #1. Was pure mud... Lol. And guess what cables are on my board... Evidence and 2314! Probably going straight 2314 when I get a loop switcher.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Ian...yes indeed! We did the instrument cable test already in another video. Belden 8412 was the winner :). There are .wav files there too you can download and try for yourself.

@MooCow2X2

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc now that you say that... I totally forgot!

aha i love this concept and i love rhett and rj, this should be epic

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

I'm for the Lava Tightrope. The Mogami 2319s are good too

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

several good choices here, seems like the 2314 outdid the 2319 here however.

Hello Mason, could you make a video on bringing power to the pedalboard (120-240vac) and Into the power supply? I would love to see how you would wire that using iec jacks. I have a power supply that uses 18vdc for the incoming power, so I would love to see how you may use an iec jack (120-240vac) to then transform that to 18vdc while of coarse keeping everything super clean and professional. Thanks!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Garrett because of the high voltage, we're not able to get into this sort of stuff in a DIY fashion due to the obvious risks if someone injures themselves. If you have an 18V feeding a supply, you don't need an IEC plug. This is likely a switch mode supply where the mains just don't connect directly into the power supply and they disaggregate the AC mains into an external box before it's converted to DC on the output feeding your power supply.

@garrettray669

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc You are correct. My power is a wall plug transformer that takes the power from 120vac to 18vdc which then plugs directly into my power supply. The reason I was asking, was because I would like to have a lot more flexibility in the range of my pedalboard using a longer power cord. Currently, mine is only 5’ long. I figured that if I switched to an iec plug and then had a transformer mounted either on my pedalboard or on my power supply I would be able to make a small patch power cable feeding my power supply from the transformer. Would that be a viable option for achieving more range with my pedalboard? Preferably I would love to get 15-25’ of range which would work with thicker gauged wire via the iec cable.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@garrettray669 you could just get an extension cord if you're molded cable is too short or not detachable.

This is one of the funniest things I have ever watched....for starters, what are these guys all listening through? Without all being there with the same high end monitors every single thing can effect that ........Their headphones, speakers, "cables" connected to said headphones and speakers.......I mean it is not really a realistic comparison. One could be listening on Adam A7, One on AT headphones .....it is endless...The one thing that is true and useful is the buffer explanation ....Also, your guitar playing style is a bit muted in parts and the tone is a bit muddy......so I mean it is from one player with a certain sound that IMO opinion, no disrespect, is not the best only tone and style as a barometer. This needs a way deeper dive, with very defined tones and players with guys all in the same place listening on same gear to be at all something that can be taken seriously. It almost seems like a sales pitch for a bunch of cable makers in the end...........I mean everyone picks stuff at random and all brands used get a "shout out" so to speak. I do not think any buyer should use this as any barometer whatsoever however again the buffer explanation is one thing that is a useful tool and something everyone should know. YMMV

The Best Cable is the one that connects to the Vertex Boost. Once again Mason has slyly demonstrated the need for a good Buffer.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Everyone needs a good buffer! Vertex Boost, or any of the others we recommend! It's gonna preserve your tone!

Mogami for me, but now I'm overthinking it and starting to wonder how many pedals a buffered signal could pass through before needing another buff?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

you can watch our buffer videos to get more info on this, but the basic rule is two buffers, input and output. Input buffer is first, that the guitar plugs into directly. The output buffer is last, the last thing the pedalboard sees before a cable brings it back to the amp.

Thanks for the videos Mason! Question, Is there a way to DIY daisy chain power cable? I'm out of outputs on my CS12 and could daisy chain some of my low powered analog pedals.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, see our KZread channel and our website for diagrams and tutorials on this.

I like to use to Mogimi 2314 and mogimi 2319 with sp400 cable ends However I prefer the 2319’s because they’re 0.040 thousands of an inch thicker making them clamp in the cable ends better . I was just thinking about this issue when you came out with this episode ….lol ….Great show….. I wish I knew you 30 years ago when I started jammin would have cut out a lot of bullshit… keep on rockin Broski ………..

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I dont care about sound, it probably doesnt make a difference for me BUT I AM wounderring about why my guitar chord keeps cutting off my sound when it is moved just a bite????? SOOO MY big question is, are there different sizes of metal ends of cables that go in the guitar?? I do find it is loose a bite. SO what's the answer to that??

@VertexEffectsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Deoxit D5 contact cleaner...this would be a good way to mitigate some of this. Spray it in all your contacts, input and output, and 9V taps.

I really like mogami 2314. I think it’s a very viable cable to solder patch cables.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

yes indeed!

really nice video, very interesting. thanks for the information

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! Please spread the word!

I have all Evidence Audio on my Board , just di y good fiends board with the Mogami 2314 (same switching system etc. ) 1st thing we noticed is just a little less noise/hiss/hum. with high pedals. with etc Mogami 2314

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Could be the cable, but could also be 1000 other things in addition to just be soldered. Results might have been similar with soldering the Evidence cable. The cable is fine IMO, it's the solderless that's the issue.

I have a big sky and timeline, do they have buffers built in? Also, where does buffer go in chain?

@VertexEffectsInc

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they do. First (input buffer) and last (output buffer) we have other videos on this specifically you may want to check out about Signal Path, and pedals with great built in buffers.

Moral of the story stick a good buffer at the start of your signal chain and negate any issues with cable capacitance!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and the end too if you're using pedals :)

@reaperxi-0382

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc what relative affordable and real estate friendly buffers would you suggest Mason?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@reaperxi-0382 Truetone is a great deal and they're very small.

@reaperxi-0382

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc would you say the truetone is better than maybe the gigrig grumpybot? Also I assume both have the 1MEG input impedance and 100 OHM output?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@reaperxi-0382 I recommend the Truetone, TheGigRig one is 1K output impedance, 10x higher than the Truetone.

I thing the Lava sounds pretty dope, though I think it might be cheaper to build a rig with 2314.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of good options here, use a buffer and the differences don’t matter much!

Out a matter of interest would the internal capacitance of the switcher effect it any bit depending on which loop the cables are ran through?

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

sure, but every cable would be subject to the same capacitance if only one loop is in at a time as it was in this test.

@billytremoloband7456

3 жыл бұрын

Vertex Effects Was think if the wiring from the switches (or relays don’t know exactly how that switcher works) was a different length effectively making the cables longer depending on the loop they are in! Then again it’s going to be such a short distance it’s going to be negligible!

Just put my first board together today. It's missing a pedal or two and the final touches with the wiring but it's great to finally have one. Thanks for the great content. Next step is getting the iron and making cables, love learning new skills. Should have done this years ago. Thanks for the inspiration. I liked the mogamis and cable uno.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Go for it! I have a great tutorial on soldering Mogami 2314 with Squareplugs on our channel! Check it out!

@JDMVman

3 жыл бұрын

I have.. and I likely will again when I get the iron. :P

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDMVman Amazing! Thanks for watching!

Just started binging this channel. Great stuff and now i have to rearrange part of my pedalboard, so thanks for that :) I'm curious if there is a change in the output buffer in the TU-3 or the TU-3w compared to the TU-2.

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Still a BJT buffer, if they changed anything it didn't fix the impedance issues. It's still a 1K output. Maybe tighter tolerances but not a different design.

Loved the George L (1st) and the Lava Craft (close 2nd), very cool video!

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Again, once the buffer is in there, they're all about the same. Be sure to solder them!!!!

I've got the lava tightrope on my gigrig g2 board and I love them

@VertexEffectsInc

3 жыл бұрын

NIce!!!

@stuartangel8212

3 жыл бұрын

@@VertexEffectsInc And I know you rail against solderless but there working great so far for me .