Group C or 70s Can-Am? Which era do you prefer?

@tijmendr9006

Ай бұрын

I love group c but driving that 917/30 in asetto corsa has made it one of my favorite race cars

@AndyFromBeaverton

Ай бұрын

Can-Am 7 days a week.

@Dahik2013

Ай бұрын

Can am

@marks7197

Ай бұрын

Can-am cars are a great spectacle in person but the series tended to be dominated by certain cars so Group C for me, mainly because of the level of competition.

@xXxDeamonlordxXx

Ай бұрын

They both have their plus and downsides. The 917 is just brute force, while the 962 is a refined racing machine. 0,76 seconds off while having literally half of the power? Count me in. But the 917 is the ultimate challenge on a twisty track like virginia...

If you look at the lap times from Road America, possibly the only track left unchanged for the years they competed the Porsche was actually slower than the ground effects Can Am cars of the early 80's even though they had half the HP, even the WSC cars were faster. As powerful as the 917-30 was is was limited to a 4 speed gear box, primitive aero, brakes, tires, suspension and chassis.

The 917 could reach 400 Km/h. The 962 could reach 386 km/h, but both were gearbox limited.

@michajanicki6860

Ай бұрын

sure kid, sure

@aguiii_films

Ай бұрын

Source: Trust me... The 917 could certainly NOT pass 400kph. Peugeot did it in the 80s when aero was far more advanced and still struggled. The true top speed according to google is 239mph or 385KPH which sounds far more biblically accurate

@Michael_Michaels

Ай бұрын

@@michajanicki6860 thanks for the support!! Very helpful!...

@TU_Gaming

Ай бұрын

@@aguiii_filmsI think the 400kph is the 917/30 as that has over double the hp than the 917k or 917LH

@aguiii_films

Ай бұрын

@@TU_Gaming Yeah I was talking specifically about the 917/30... There's simply no way its reaching 400kph with that aero

love the spyder! an engineering marvel in the early 70s I have to say. to achieve that much power in a car back then is truly incredible! had a feeling it would take the line with all that power to accelerate with. awesome vid!

The 917/30 is definitely MUCH slower than the real one

hard to say, but I'll take group C

can-am doesnt look like 1600hp at all, group C with half the power and more downforce isnt that much slower on the straitghs. What may cause this?

@oddforoddssake3751

Ай бұрын

18 or so years of effective automotive development, in short Better tyres, better aero, better construction materials, more efficient power delivery, the list goes on. Though given the close results at the end, it's amazing seeing the Turbopanzer win despite the relative age!

@Jamieboi1989

Ай бұрын

aerodynamic quality id say. more streamlined shape = more top speed. isnt there like a 14-15 year gap between the two models? spyder is ancient now lol.

@311superfly

Ай бұрын

Only 1000 or so ponies in race trim plus drag.

@fossilfueled27

Ай бұрын

All the above, plus can you imagine how much turbo lag there is pushing that kind of power in 1970?

@f1jones544

Ай бұрын

956 had ground effects so way faster in corners and could use much more of its power. 917/30 had no ground effects, just a big, draggy wing and open cockpit, so not nearly as aero efficient or able to use all of the power it had. There was plenty to beat the big block Chevys it completed against in Can Am. Only ten years separated the two cars, 1973 and 1983.

Closer than i though

12 years of engineering in such an early era of motorsport showing how peak power isn't all your power and not to be threatened by 1600hp.

Are u really driving in 1600hp trim?

@racingndriver7113

Ай бұрын

Probably not, the qualifying trim can get like 257 MPH/415 KMH and 0-60 in 1.9s, the 917/30 would have dominated the whole lap

I think the porche will win

It depends on what the end goal is. It's like comparing an apple to an orange. Porsche 917/30 campaigned by Penske Organization was designed for Can Am racing whereas Porsche 962 was conceived to compete in endurance racing. This one lap of computer simulation overlay shown with the backdrop of Le Mans doesn't really tell the whole story in my opinion. It all comes down to reliability, durability, and robustness of the engines in each car. Remember, the twin-turbocharged air-cooled Flat-12 wasn't built to last 24 hrs. of racing environment. I would guess that, at the end of the day, Porsche 962 would edge out Porsche 917/30 by default. Just my two cents.

Masterpiece.

So I'm not the only one with that weird screen-warping on the bottom line of the screen? 0:10 It only happens when looking back

@nar8077

Ай бұрын

Yeah me too it's because of pure

Away we go and the 962 got ahead! But 917 Catch up! Well not really with the first 2 corners 1:00 The straight is here can the 917 catch the 962 yes he can! 2:06 Can the 962 take it back? 2:44 917 is running away from 962 3:33 A final few chicane and 917 takes the flag!

Give us late 90s Indy car vs late 90s F1 car please!

Man What a beast of a Porsche can am car

You should do the Prototype kings of the early 90s. The Peugot 905 and the Gurney Eagle MK3

Don't think this comparison portraits the real scenario...it's fun to watch, but has many things i find almost unreal...in the more slower parts, the 956/962 gains to little advantage to what it would in real life, and that would make all the diference in the end. The Group C would win in almost all the conditions, that would be the REAL truth! But i understand the purpose of the video, and i like to watch them in your channel. Thanks

The 962 most likely has superior brakes.

What simulator are you using? Amazing comparison btw❤

@THEWINDTUNNEL

Ай бұрын

Assetto Corsa

@guillermogarcia7521

Ай бұрын

@@THEWINDTUNNEL Thanks for your answer! 😊 and you drive for the video with some mate or both cars are controlled by IA ?

Badass!

Hell ya!

that canam turbo man.

Turbo lag. How did you factor that?

@THEWINDTUNNEL

Ай бұрын

Just look at the start, the 917 isn't going the first 2 secs, other than that it's pretty manageable

I will not ever understand why racing sims cannot get the trackside/third person engine notes correct. For the last quarter century the cars sound like they were designed and played on an old Casio keyboard. Why... SERIOUSLY WHY... can they NOT get this right to this day???

@THEWINDTUNNEL

25 күн бұрын

The outside sounds are way harder to get, it depends a lot of where the car is. (A car in the middle of the desert sounds completely different to that same car inside a tunnel) Some developers put mics on the exhaust, some put them outside...

@CX0909

25 күн бұрын

@@THEWINDTUNNEL ok but decades of work have gone into the physics of racing sims yet the cars still sound modulated and, well, goofy. Some of us have been to an actual race but we've all watched it on tv. Sim cars don't sound like real cars on tv or at the track. Thanks for the reply man 👍🏻

@zoobi27

6 күн бұрын

to make engine sounds you need an audio source. Either u find the car, and have it recorded on a full day session and ask your audio engineers/game devs to make the sound given the possibilities of the game engine. That's what sound modders do in Assetto Corsa either from youtube videos or paid recordings, and some are really not great at designing sounds in FMOD The external is quite tricky to do, and exhaust sound is very scarce to have, usually you can have fly by videos and that's it. The alternative to that is to use some audio and have it passed through AI models or make granular synthesis stuff. Will sound MUCH more artificial but you can have a 80% fidelity but better smoothness overall if your lacking a lot of samples. Very demanding and you need a specialist. In Vanilla AC, the 917/30 sounds COMPLETELY off (interior, exterior) the 962 is let's say 80% correct external and 60% correct internal. I do run a custom 962 soundmod that was never released, will probably be, but it's only for the interior, it's like 90-95% close to the real inboard sound. i never play exterior (anyway it's muted) and the car is only for my own pleasure of solo inboard driving / training. But long story short, here is why it's hard, you NEED the car for an accurate sound, and let me tell you, you can be a billionaire, if you ask some private racing clubs or racecar owners and say "hey i want to have your car for a day for whatever" they will look down on u and tell u "lol u are no one, fuck off" (they are probably also rich btw, coz these gems cost millions) and tell u to go back play iRacing. You can some sort of other way around like game studios having super rare supercars / racecars but ruining the audio that was recorded for them using their post-process SFX, just like Gran Turismo does, or worse, forza devs who cannot make any sound accurate without recycling old garbage eventhough they have the money or skills to have the god damn car recorded and implemented well in a working audio engine. Here is why. more or less.

@zoobi27

6 күн бұрын

@@THEWINDTUNNEL it's absolutely not hard to get like technologically speaking, you can even unmix part of sounds like intake, turbo, blow off valve, etc... it's super easy for a good sound engineer the real problem is to have the car rented and your team allowed to record the sound for a day or two, because cars are either super rare or kept private like holy sacred items that none should dare thinking touching lol

@CX0909

5 күн бұрын

@@zoobi27 hey thanks for the detailed explanation man! I guess it always puzzled me how they worked so hard to get the driving physics but didn't come up with sound that came close to duplicating the visceral angry notes of real racing engines. Especially when the engine sounds are iconic such as with the Formula One V10 era.

Open car sooo much drag!

@311superfly

Ай бұрын

Yet BMW and AUDI won with them. Driver change much easier.

@311superfly

Ай бұрын

And Porsche too

The power of Sunoco Porsche Audi 917/30

Day 2 of asking lmh vs gt500 at lemans

Could the Mercedes 2020 F1 beat a top Fuel dragster at Le Mans without chicanes?

@McLarenMercedes

28 күн бұрын

On the Mulsanne straight alone, no. Around the entire track, easily. Fact is I'm not eve sure the dragster would last a full lap. They just are designed to run at full power for a few seconds and slow down. Since they don't even use radiators they WILL overheat in longer runs. And then I haven't even mentioned how useless they would be in ANY corner. In fact I do not think they even can turn their front wheels enough. Bizarre comparison.

The braking in the group c made up for the power gap

Look, we all know the bestest 80s le mans car was the jaguar xjr9..... which i owned in scalextric form. Great figure of 8 track!

I would end up killing myself driving the dream (a 917K, actually), but until the last few seconds I would be in race car heaven. Then I would go to hell for destroying a classic. 😹

A Toyota TS050 with the engine of a 917 would be a machine of death, faster than a F1... (Even if the engine wouldn't fit probably) Technological advancement made the 962 almost as fast as the 917 with half of its power!

Take out that long ass back stretch, and we'll have a total different story.

@Pewnhound112

29 күн бұрын

Yeah but that’s literally the track my guy.

Nah… I bet the 917 would be much slower in corners, it was not a ground effect car. Also the breaks are way weaker

Gracias genial

Xd Spyder only 4 gears

917/30 is flat 12 cylinder right? 962C is flat 6 cylinder 🤔

@McLarenMercedes

28 күн бұрын

Both use turbos. Anyways the Group C car has ground effect (meaning it's faster in any corner) superior tires, suspension and is a monocoque chassis. From a technical point of view it's like the era of the last piston engined propeller planes vs early jets. Who counts cylinders btw? Only kids. A more telling factor is *displacement* .

The Porsche 917/30 was not "the most powerful racing car ever made". Dragsters are racing cars too.

Most powerful racing car? Not Top Fuel?

@McLarenMercedes

28 күн бұрын

We only count circuit racecars. You just mentioned an atomic bomb in a contest with the most powerful handguns. Apples and oranges.