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@comtass3834

5 жыл бұрын

do you get paid?

@huevosconchorizo8404

5 жыл бұрын

This was unfair, on one side a bunch of college kids the capitalist and on the other a presidental candidate the socialist.

@darrylflinch5274

5 жыл бұрын

What we learn? That you need a little bit of BOTH. You definitely need socialism to REGULATE the GREED!! Or else you get BANKS who got greedy and started the stock market collapse, mortgage crisis, and recession. 2007-2010!

@razacosmicapilled

5 жыл бұрын

Chrisitans and Satanists

@darrylflinch5274

5 жыл бұрын

@@razacosmicapilled How about True Christians VS Pretend Christians (Trump) LOL

How can a guy with a name like “mimi” be a socialist? Shouldnt it be “ourour”?

@drewmusic7036

4 жыл бұрын

Garrett W

@Yourdad-tb6ch

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@nyssaan1550

4 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOO

@Arcelaeus

4 жыл бұрын

Lmaoo

@tatordgoat4349

4 жыл бұрын

You made my day.

“Socialist on my left, capitalist on my right” ha ha I see what you did there 😂

@blaaaaaaahhhhkathi

4 жыл бұрын

Wht an American way to look onto this

@MegaTJ009

4 жыл бұрын

Struggle you’re god damn right buddy

@DarkPyrox99

4 жыл бұрын

Lolz

@octopus8420

4 жыл бұрын

@@blaaaaaaahhhhkathi I mean, it's the general way to look at it. Left is for change and right is for keeping things how they are, that's how society agreed to label it.

@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963

4 жыл бұрын

QSA SuperSonic Things change over 150 years, my love

Love how Americans think Scandinavian countries aren't capitalist lmfao

@jono6472

2 жыл бұрын

Norway is literally running on one of the largest sovereign wealth fund that’s why they can do what they do

@angryyordle4640

2 жыл бұрын

@@jono6472 Norway has extreme amounts of oil and isnt being sanctioned by anybody so they can freely sell it. Also european nation that benefits from the remnants of colonialism. That's why they're so rich

@blackwater7183

2 жыл бұрын

@@angryyordle4640 I mean the US has extreme amounts of everything. Lol. The land of milk and honey (only accessible for the rich though).

@cpt7752

2 жыл бұрын

@@angryyordle4640 Lmao, you leftists spout about colonialism so much. Tell me, how does Norway benefit from the remnants of colonialism? Norway never had any colonies or colonized any land. In fact, Norway was conquered and colonized by Denmark, my country.

@angryyordle4640

2 жыл бұрын

@@cpt7752 Outsourcing to the third world for cheap labour or straight up slavery. Norway didn't have their own colonies, but they benefit from the remnants of the colonialism that the english, french, spanish and so on committed. They are participating in the exploitation of the third world. With every company that produces in another country for cheap labour, part of the profits of that labour go to said country, trapping the third world countries in an endless cycle of lesser development. And if they try to change this the US or other first world governments sends their military or covertly trains and funds reactionary opposition forces. This concept is known as imperialism.

Naming your child "Liberty" is the most American concept I've ever heard

@BIGGGBUGGG

Жыл бұрын

I actually know a Panamanian lady named Libertas after her grandmother and I never knew I’d be able to use this fact about myself

@olivialynn3771

Жыл бұрын

I went to school with a Liberty and her sister was named Independence. Liberty is at Liberty University and I heard she wants to become a conversion therapist or convince people not to get abortions 🙄

@minushuman1300

Жыл бұрын

it is so cringy imo

@Ben.N

Жыл бұрын

@@minushuman1300 nah it's kinda cool imo lol

@amirhosseinhosseinzadeh7627

Жыл бұрын

Not an American but i think i will do it one day

My god, as a socialist, I could’ve defended capitalism better than these people.

@bricepettiford7419

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffgraham9710 socialism is not communism it is the middle of capitalism and communism a middle ground and social democracy(which most socialists want as do I) it is in between socialism and capitalism. Social democracy is no where near communism

@lanebatts26

3 жыл бұрын

True.. Soo wimpy a defense of something that has raised the standard of living to what it is today

@darealpoopster

3 жыл бұрын

@@bricepettiford7419 Absolutely not. Well, not according to Marx, at least. Socialism is a stepping stone to Communism according to Marx. Where the government takes control of all property and the means of production, so that the workers can soon own it

@jeffgraham9710

3 жыл бұрын

@@bricepettiford7419 Good point

@bricepettiford7419

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbadeaux9625 socialism is not everything is free socialism is when the people that work for a company own the company so if you worked and Wells Fargo you would own a sliver of Wells Fargo if that makes sense

“Can I get the socialists on my left and the capitalists on my right?” he knows what he’s doing

@Jerbt

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@Jerbt

4 жыл бұрын

But there are right wing socialists (Had to edit everyone I'm just joking lol it is contradictory)

@KyleHarmieson

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jerbt Literally impossible.

@editingvideosforyoutubersr5553

4 жыл бұрын

Jerry Xu that’s like saying there can be athiest christians, two completely sided of the spectrum

@loadless2265

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jerbt you can't seriously believe that? For the sake of my wellbeing I sincerely hope you are joking.

I would love to see this again with people who know what socialism and capitalism is.

@dargkkast6469

2 жыл бұрын

But that's not what this channel wants, it's yellow press, they only want you to click. And if they can push an idea, even better. Just from the very beginning, the "capitalist" side each were saying their professions while the "socialist" side were saying that they were socialist. What?

@CRank3103

2 жыл бұрын

It seems as though they only have a very limited concept of their economic ideas and haven’t asked themselves the complex questions that would arise if going completely one way or the other.

@CRank3103

2 жыл бұрын

Mimi specifically cited a socialist concept as a being capitalist and a terrible thing.

@manuellanthaler2001

Жыл бұрын

@@dargkkast6469 i dont get what you are saying while at the same time not wanting to read it again. But when I was watching the video I thought the Socialists were being depicted better. So do you agree?

@SorrowAvenue

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see fascists (philosophical moderates not skinheads) and capitalists debate.

i feel like these people discussed capitalism and socialism on a really basic level of understanding, being money. There is so much more to it that just money and the economy, it also has a cultural and ideological understanding that looks at the individual and the collective in society.

@Sanjana-cg7qx

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I actually don’t think half of them know what capitalism/socialism is, especially comparatively on a global scale. There is so much nuance within capitalism and socialism, and most Nordic countries that Mimi mentioned are actually a social democracy which leans more on the capitalist side, but applies socialist models to certain aspects of society that are deemed basic necessities for all people.

@onniruusunen9444

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sanjana-cg7qx yes. It's stupidity and disgrace to my country and other nordic countries to call them socialists. If you put focus education, healthcare with socialists models but other way it's capitälist then it is capitalist society. You don't give people free stuff but give them what gives them opportunity / more opportunities. Proves that americans don't know even what socialists/capitalists mean. And the understanding is high in those on compared to what liberal means

@jrus690

2 жыл бұрын

These people are discussing the wrong things: it Liberalism vs Socialism, that is the political spectrum. Capitalism is the movement of capital, it is not a political thing.

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

@@jrus690 Have you seen 'Second Thought'? Or at least his video 'Is Capitalism even Efficient??'

@FM-dm8xj

2 жыл бұрын

your forgetting governemnt control. the biggest factor

One mayor problem is that people in the US seem to be incapable of nuance. I'm from Norway, and I keep hearing people using my country or other Nordic countries as examples of how socialism works, and while it is true that we have a well working system, it is somewhat of a misrepresentation. The major economic concept used in in Nordic countries is capitalism, not socialism. It's just that we have collectively agreed that certain functions of society cannot be run using a capitalist model. Capitalism at it's core tries to profit off of a product. If you make humans the product, you immediately step out on shaky ethical grounds. That's why things like healthcare, education, welfare, housing, child care etc. is handled using a socialist model rather than a capitalist model in the Nordic countries. Taking the best parts of both capitalism and socialism, and getting rid of the bad parts of both, creates the best systems.

@jdh1206

4 жыл бұрын

Agree completely. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Nordic countries are a capitalist economic system with very high tax rates. The high tax rates create a large social safety net which pays for things such as healthcare. By definition this is not socialism. No country in the modern world is socialist because in no country do the people own the means of production.

@mikkelkristensen880

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdh1206 Completely correct. I am from Denmark, which, obviously, also run on the Nordic Model. Our previous PM was out correcting Sanders saying that we are NOT a socialist country, but a capitalist market based economy, with high taxes which makes out our huuuge social security net. In my opinion, when you try to profit off basic needs, such as education, healthcare et cetera, the incentives becomes wickedly screwy, and not for the better being of the people, but for the sake of profits, which the original commenter also stated. We are literally the happiest, wealthiest countries in the world, and, objectively (of course, this is also a very subjective matter) the best countries in the world, if you base it on these parametres. Why the Nordic Model isn't somewhat adopted by other nations, i can't comprehend. Sanders was a great bid at a guy who could really point things in the right direction, but unfortunately, everything that has to do with high taxes and free basic needs, is apparently communism, according to the majority of Americans.

@jeremyanderson3819

4 жыл бұрын

You were right the first time. There is no nuance in america, so when we are talking about "socialism" it could actually be anything from your social-capitalism to Maoist communism. Just like when you say capitalism you probably arent talking about the anarcho capitalism that the far right in america is visualizing.

@TheHeartlessHeroes

4 жыл бұрын

Im pretty sure what those countries have is called a social democracy, a capitialist economy which applies socialist ideas. Not to be confused with democratic socialism which is a fully socialist economy that has a democratic system of government.

@ahoel3814

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHeartlessHeroes You're right. None of the words are very well understood by the US population. Social democrats coined the term "democratic socialism" back in the early/mid 1900's as an opposition to the authoritarian socialism in Russia at the time. The people most fond of "democratic socialism" were in fact socialists, but in the way that they supported work place democracy rather than hierarchy, equal rights and pay in the work place, and some even a socialist model of distribution of the country's resources. This is somewhat different to the social democracies of the Nordic countries, but often less different than what you would think. Though the Nordic and Scandinavian nations use a mainly capitalist economic model, the governments tend to own at least parts of the companies responsible for national resources. This is done to make sure the people of the country gets their share of the resources from their country, and the wealth isn't just given away to a few companies. That's why the Norwegian oil fund exists. Try looking up the size of it, and you'll understand why this kind of model is so benefitial to Norway's population.

I’m actually pretty surprised how the comment section can find more middle ground than these dudes

@biteof78

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, the comment section is clearly one sided excluding the replies

@PkrBarMovie

4 жыл бұрын

@@biteof78 Not really. Most top comments, including replies, are in favor of social democracy, which is a mixture of the positive aspects of capitalism and socialism. As in, a literal "middle ground".

@luke_222

4 жыл бұрын

On every one of these we all unite against the worst guy in the discussion. In this case, Mimi

@Sheerspeechcraft

4 жыл бұрын

The comment section is almost all biased against the socialists, wtf are you talking about?

@gavinlybert7756

4 жыл бұрын

Yell at the commies in the video

We need this again, but with more diversity and people who actually know what they’re talking about. And about a 1-2 hour video, maybe even 3.

@Alessandro-lx1ug

2 жыл бұрын

@Z all three

@w...7035

2 жыл бұрын

@Genaral racist I mean yeah, because these white liberals tend to claim capitalism is racist, (or vice versa) so it would be interesting to see if someone who actually experience this “racism” or “lack there of” to actually debate this topic.

@lilianka3943

2 жыл бұрын

Omg, yes. This was horrible to watch. Also hilarious how naive the capitalist crew appears to be, but that's nothing new

@jrus690

2 жыл бұрын

We need some people who do not argue Socialism vs Capitalism. It is Socialism vs Liberalism, but the term Liberal is often confused with everything else.

@applenuggets662

Жыл бұрын

No I prefer it like this, I ain’t got 1-2 hours

I love middle ground, but i hate that they cut the conversations so short, let people get deep into the debate.

@val3454

10 ай бұрын

Yes, I dont mind if they do this with less important issues but damn. Socialism vs capitalism? Some of the most important political aspects of our existence? 15 minutes? They cant be serious

It would be awesome if @Jubilee did less editing and let these episodes breathe a bit more. As soon as a conversation starts getting deeper, you cut it.

@raymondstrunk4770

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@annaclares3318

5 жыл бұрын

exactly. How are we supposed to have "empathy" for either side if at the exact moment that we need to see the two sides interact on a deeper level, it's *boom* on to the next question!!!

@sbryant1993sb

5 жыл бұрын

Sam Nicolosi I would love more depth, would be awesome

@mattischastan7967

5 жыл бұрын

More depth would be great indeed, but I think they cut because that's when things are getting out of hand, and people emotions and rigidity comes into play. Those moments can quickly trigger reject reflex, for the viewers, even more alienating than what those sensibles topics already carry in themselves. We got to stay focus on what they say, not how they behave as humans. Cutting out emotionnal moments seem more productive, to me, in that goal.

@reubenthomas6988

5 жыл бұрын

Even though what you say its true, it does leave the audience to think about the viewpoints stated, and I must say to their credit, the pauses after every cut-away has greatly supported this!

Dude with the blue cap is trying way to hard to be the “mysterious anime character”

@selenespoiler

4 жыл бұрын

Sc Piano omg true 😹

@thebearcouncil8810

4 жыл бұрын

Oh that's what he was doing? I thought he was just shy.

@Daniel-ho4xj

4 жыл бұрын

sauske from naruto

@akagrimreaper6702

4 жыл бұрын

I think he is just shy.

@damiensoubassis2738

4 жыл бұрын

@SciFyerGaming mafia boss wouldn't be a capitalist??? I don't know of a more free market than the black market

Do this one again, but with actual economists and real experts on the subjects and make it like 45 mins.

@genericwhitekidthesecond4330

Жыл бұрын

I want Lenin, Marx, and Mao on the stand goddammit!

@ZootedSosa

Жыл бұрын

They don’t do that for ent of their other videos really so idk why they would just for this

@winstonchurchill8491

Жыл бұрын

There are no communist economists

@soulcapitalist6204

Жыл бұрын

It would spoil the fun. This "great debate" of capitalism vs socialism is actually a settled matter and no arguments survive for "collective control of the means of production". There is no way for socialists to support that totalitarian position of authority when the results have been horrible for the collective's members and the function of economy.

@voicelessglottalfricative6567

Жыл бұрын

Marx, Lenin, and Mao vs. Smith, Reagan, and Thatcher

I burst out laughing when she said "it's hardly worth my time if you have all the facts and we know nothing" and they guy just said "sure"

I just found out that Mimi, the older socialist, has passed away about a month ago. Even though I don't agree with his ideals, I respect the fact that he fought for what he believed to be right. Rest in peace.

@lona9461

4 жыл бұрын

May his soul rest in peace

@LiquidSunshine22

4 жыл бұрын

:( rest in power

@danjakuu

4 жыл бұрын

RIP

@RedLogicYT

4 жыл бұрын

@Remember Lord Jesus Pray the Rosary yeah uh guy was kinda an asshole

@Schweizer_Politik

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedLogicYT he was rkght with the things he said. And i mean. You have a room there full woth young people. They all arent realy expirienced. And you are a person that absolutely knows what your talking about i think you get annoyed when thise people say the same fals things that capitalists said 40 years ago. There are many contras against socialism. But those people just used things that are wrong

I work with children and they're the most selfish people I've ever seen.

@jackharrington2752

4 жыл бұрын

I have too And I have to say they are easier to teach than adults

@michellemarie1197

4 жыл бұрын

Lol right? I worked in a daycare and toddlers are the most selfish people on the planet and they dont even know whats going on

@amysofia5783

4 жыл бұрын

Lol and on the flip side the capitalists had a really good point. The societies that are most harmonious and invests the most in their own social structures DO tend to be less ethnically diverse, like Norway, Japan, Korea, Switzerland, Finland, etc..

@giovalladares1022

4 жыл бұрын

Amy Sofia besides being homogenous all those countries aren’t paying for half of the worlds military. Some of them barely invest anything in their own military. Can you imagine if America was completely neutral and played an isolationist role in the world? All that military spending would solve a lot of problems here. That will never happen though. Utopias don’t exist in this world

@hnassian

4 жыл бұрын

Leonore... If you work with children and blame children for their behavior without understanding their environment and the people who jave shaped their behavior, please stop working with children. You do not understand sociology ir psychology for your presence around children to benefit them.

I worked in a low paying food industry for 5 years and honestly it was the most depressed I’ve ever felt.

@ivanstoqnov3441

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the power of capitalist propaganda to be able to convince some people that's "doing well in life"

@masterhodir890

2 жыл бұрын

or here's a thought maybe instead of being a pathetic self pitying mess you take the steps needed to find a better career or to get the skills to move to an entirely different profession

@PG-3462

2 жыл бұрын

@@ivanstoqnov3441 In a perfectly socialist society, you would need people to do the same job. How is that any different?

@ivanstoqnov3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@PG-3462 Really? You think miserable minimum wage 8hour fast food job will exist in a perfect socialist system?

@julietrossemount6853

Жыл бұрын

@@ivanstoqnov3441 meanwhile in cuba people are working making 50 USD a month. Be grateful.

I like how they got three extremely unqualified (not in a bad way) individuals to speak on capitalism.

@noahlago349

2 жыл бұрын

because Jubilee has a massive left wing bias

@DBV-iu1qw

2 жыл бұрын

i was thinking the same. the arguments of the socialists were so bad even someone who has barely scratched the surface of economics could destroy them. yet those people were more ''apolitical'' than capitalists.

@noahlago349

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommunistBot bruh they had the socialist party leader wdym average socialists

@AA-jz1rh

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing I noticed about the vid was when the capitalists introduced themselves they stated their place of education/their qualifications. I don’t know much about capitalism vs socialism I will admit I’m not strongly opinionated on either side, but it touched on an issue that exists in capitalism (in my country) you find that people who are classed as ‘skilled workers’ so people who have degrees etc are more deserving of a larger wage than someone who is working in a job that is all manual labour that is classed as ‘unskilled’.

@noahlago349

2 жыл бұрын

@@CommunistBot certainly not. how could you possibly believe that to be true? it is clear the capitalist societies are farm more prosperous than a purely socialist society. I don’t know how anyone could possible debate that

I freaking love that the girl who is a capitalist is named liberty

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

Everyday is opposite day for wingnuts..

@anthonyvigil7567

4 жыл бұрын

Travis Rhodus like when SJWs will say how they are not racist but will be extremely racist and say the most horrific slurs to people. And will demand for policies that will harm black and brown people and will demand For the most oppressive government in history to have more power all while doing it under the party for slavery, KKK and Jim Crow... insane

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyvigil7567 lol

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyvigil7567 So the so-called SJW(a term solely used by & invented for wingnuts) & the southern capitalists of the 1800s are indecipherable to you? Also that those southern racists didn't tack an R next to their name? Interesting view of history you have there 😅

@travisrhodus1362

4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonyvigil7567 They are massively pro war pro poverty as they say that...

I love the fact that her name is liberty and she is a capitalist

@malloy6400

4 жыл бұрын

Yankee doodle Ik it’s perfect

@caolan3202

4 жыл бұрын

Completely different thing

@mightbeahuman3442

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, perfect

@maeg.9123

4 жыл бұрын

I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not... but if you are I have several problems with this

@theminecraftprime1

4 жыл бұрын

that implies there is no liberty in socialism and that there is in capitalism. People stereotype ideals like socialism with "no liberty". Way to much

The fact they found the most socialist looking socialist and the most capitalist looking capitalist just blows my mind and makes me laugh

This is so chill i wanna see them rip each-other apart like in flat earthers vs scientists

@slevinchannel7589

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen 'Second Thought'?

@georgemx4136

2 жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 yes and hakim

@mjatriumxironreign8969

Жыл бұрын

@@georgemx4136 me too bro

@sarahhussam2759

Жыл бұрын

😂

@screamingapple6195

Жыл бұрын

Just look at presidential debates then

Back in the 80s, I asked my friend from Soviet Russia how he felt living there. He said he couldn't complain.

@benjaminpark5460

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated joke

@jalepenopvp2300

4 жыл бұрын

Ba dum tssssss

@methodOW

4 жыл бұрын

Now I feel bad for him

@nholrknrjrk

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@Super-yw7ss

4 жыл бұрын

Karl Fiehler - but I heard the currency was worth way less, currency went down a lot, was that the 90’s in USSR.

Capitalist side: 3 young but educated people Socialists: Frickin Karl Marx himself

@Sheerspeechcraft

4 жыл бұрын

Wow what an original observation, do you feel smart now?

@pahrisarvie1428

4 жыл бұрын

People are so quick to assume Karl Marx was a bad guy. What makes you assume that socialist aren’t educated. Because they care about the well being of everybody? That’s funny to you?

@diegofrgc

4 жыл бұрын

@@pahrisarvie1428 did you even get the joke?

@pahrisarvie1428

4 жыл бұрын

diegofrgc no, no I didn’t. I did happen to realize that Mimi looks a lot like Marx but I still don’t see the humor in it.

@diegofrgc

4 жыл бұрын

@@pahrisarvie1428 The joke is it does not matter how educated the young capitalist panel is, they are debating against Karl Marx himself. You didnt get the joke at all JESUS EFFIN CHRIST.

I really don’t get how “paying people enough to live” is being debated here.

Norway is not socialist, Denmark is not socialist. The PM of Denmark even came out and said they are a free market economy. You need capitalism to fund your socialist programs. Sooner or later, under socialism, you’ll run out of other peoples money.

They should have gotten someone who actually lived in a socialist country.

@Alina-vt7oq

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, my case. I would really like to talk to the big socialist guy, like.. do you know how people live in a socialist country? Its depressing...

@hithere4919

5 жыл бұрын

Alina same, my family is from the ussr, they know firsthand how damaging socialism is to a country.

@tiffanysrensen165

5 жыл бұрын

@@hithere4919 , don't you mean communism? socialism is a whole other thing

@hithere4919

5 жыл бұрын

Tiffany Sørensen no, the ussr was never communist. It was always socialist.

@steliosmitr8245

5 жыл бұрын

personal accounts are useless when talking about an ideology. There are many people that have good accounts living in the USSR and many that are bad

People say something* Mimi: that is such an over used argument and a massive fallacy. However I will not provide any other information

@theangelastorga9625

4 жыл бұрын

Every socialist ever

@FoDaddy

4 жыл бұрын

Also Mimi @12:45 Lemme tell you about oppression, exploitation, and racism....

@vincenzorutigliano5435

4 жыл бұрын

That is how politicians in Latin America talk.

@vincenzorutigliano5435

4 жыл бұрын

@mastersleib the difference is that in north America and Europe , the people don't help the government to become a dictatorship

@wadehatch8720

4 жыл бұрын

im a socialist and he pissed me off lol

“Why are we even talking to you when you have all the facts and we dont knoe anything?” Mimi: “I dont know”

"I would consider that successful if you can be going to school, maintaining your GPA, and working a part time job while being able to afford your school!" LO-fucking-L. What a privileged thing to say

@down-to-earth-mystery-school

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I’d like to tell him some stories about only being able to afford Ramen noodles while working 3 jobs, going to school and now never being able to pay off my student loans because of predatory lending that was allowed. I’m grateful for my education and it took my 10 years to finish, but I wasn’t living a privileged life whatsoever.

Can we redo this one with other people who can create an argument

@robbedeboer2728

5 жыл бұрын

Treu exept for Mimi no one was really or contributing or good arguments

@michaelwrest7545

5 жыл бұрын

I'll give it to mimi for contributing but he had no argument he based everything on emotion and no facts

@rhodesianwojak2550

5 жыл бұрын

Antifa Yikes. The left cares about feelings and love, not facts. Redistributing wealth to people who haven't worked for it is theft.

@rhodesianwojak2550

5 жыл бұрын

Capitalism isn't funelling money into the Military. The government is. Mimi is wrong.

@sl4sh368

5 жыл бұрын

so your saying the government ISN'T paying about 639 billion dollars to the defense?

Two truths: 1. Equal doesn't mean fair. 2. They not paying you for how hard you working. They paying you for how difficult it is to replace you.

@richardperez6945

5 жыл бұрын

@r .ra 1. Ambiguous 2. Irrelevant

@YouFoundMe4567

5 жыл бұрын

1st of all having open borders had literally nothing to do with wether we are capitalist or not 2nd of all you do realize China is literally adopting capitalism into its major cities because of how poorly socialism is working for them.

@YouFoundMe4567

5 жыл бұрын

Borders do not equal socialism you can be a socialist country and have borders you can also be a capitalist country and have borders I don’t thonk you understand anything about socialism or have any idea what I’m talking about because you didn’t answer either of my questions and your response is completely incompetent if you even read my reply

@misterbeen1272

5 жыл бұрын

@r .ra America is superior to every other country that ever existed in the history of human civlilization change my mind

@Victor10wang

5 жыл бұрын

@r .ra Borders has nothing to do with economic systems. Your idea of freedom is anarchy, you think capitalism=anarchy. You are an idiot

This debate was more about the efficacy of social welfare programs than it was about socialism or capitalism

some of these people think that "socialism is when the government does stuff"

@christophersnedeker2065

2 жыл бұрын

In God's name it do be like that.

Ah yes, how fitting that the girl debating for capitalism is named liberty. Edit: I don't usually do edits to comments almost three months later.. but many of you said I was being sarcastic. I wasn't. Fuck socialism. Capitalism is the system with the greatest individual freedom there is. My comment was that capitalism = liberty, and NOT in a sarcastic way. Hope that cleared the confusion :)

@ryanlocke1117

4 жыл бұрын

Not really

@earthwax7946

4 жыл бұрын

It’s great

@communistpenguin4347

4 жыл бұрын

Really ironic

@teerificbitch

4 жыл бұрын

This can only be sarcasm. So name me a single system that promotes liberty and individualism more than Capitalism?

@jodaco3869

4 жыл бұрын

Dude Trust Me communism

Mimi didn’t make any points, his arguments were all “your side is wrong” but never explained why his is right

@Dbjjr26

4 жыл бұрын

@Edgar Barcelona what a profound insight.

@drumsnbari80

4 жыл бұрын

the democratic party in a nutshell

@phildiop8248

4 жыл бұрын

It's cause his side is not right. *It's on the left*

@eyezuel5307

4 жыл бұрын

It's a fourteen minute video. If you want info on why it's right you can do some research. I recommend badmouseproductions and peter coffin

@Mick_Unfiltered

4 жыл бұрын

EyeZuel 14 minutes of a man displaying cynicism but not offering any alternative solutions, I’m not saying the other side doesn’t have any just that this man is incompetent

I would love to see the whole discussion and not just the cut together form. As many before me said: It would be awesome to maybe have a second channel, where you release the unedited discussion for all who want to watch the whole thing. I am also a bit concerned about the biases of the editors, who might cut out arguments they don't like and leave in arguments that they like. I don't allege anyone to do this on purpose but we are all humans with our own biases and cutting such a video together, with 100% neutrality would be pretty much impossible I think...

Any time someone references Norway as a model for socialist democracy, you immediately know they don't know what they're talking about. Even the Norwegian government will tell you this isn't true.

@zigoter2185

2 жыл бұрын

And funny how he then talks about no compromise between socialism and capitalism, when his example he praises so much is litteraly designed to be middle ground between capitalism and socialism.

@McNevetsII

2 жыл бұрын

@@zigoter2185 Their economy is 100% capitalism. They have many social programs and socialized government benefits, but there's not economic intermingling of socialism and capitalism.

@zigoter2185

2 жыл бұрын

@@McNevetsII not a 100% definitely. Every modern economy is a mixture of government planning and markets. Norway is more market oriented with some redusrtibutive policies implemented.

@McNevetsII

2 жыл бұрын

@@zigoter2185 I'd go as far as to say they are more capitalistic than the US economy. They don't have near the business regulations that we do, making the markets much more competitive. We create expensive regulation to push small businesses out of the market creating more and more mega corps.

@zigoter2185

2 жыл бұрын

@@McNevetsII well on index of economic freedom Norway is lower than US, because of huge taxes.

Jubliee casting coordinator: Let's choose the president of the Socialist party to represent the Socialists. Jubilee Admin: Sounds great! Who's gonna represent the Capitalists? Jubliee casting coordinator: Random college students who study anything but economics. Jubilee Admin: Perfect!

@braydendahl8568

4 жыл бұрын

Biased they do it with the feminist vs men’s rights, and republican vs Democrat middle grounds as well

@VNDR.W

4 жыл бұрын

And the socialists still made asses of themselves.

@TheNSJaws

4 жыл бұрын

@@VNDR.W ^ this, lmao like goddamn, lmao

@Inanothertimeandspace

4 жыл бұрын

Like all of these productions (and most media in general), this one is strongly left biased.

@boaty401

3 жыл бұрын

@@sbaeneg4738 they're arguments were ass.

As a person from Sweden and have lived in both Danmark and Norway I can confidently say they are not "socialist" they are liberal democracies" . Social democratic parties in the Nordic countries actually accept capitalism and market economy as a tool. The system is not based around equality of outcome it's based around equality of opportunity. With safety nets, free college, free dental care and medicare for all. I have noticed that a lot of people in US call themselves democratic socialist but their beliefs actually fall under social democracy and social liberalism which is very different.

@tomasvrabec1845

4 жыл бұрын

THtat is because Social Democracy is not actuary under the socialist umbrella but under the Capitalist umbrella despite its name.

@OniNoFro

4 жыл бұрын

also if memory serves, didn't Sweden shift away from a socialist economic model (of governance) to a more capitalist one with socialist undertones in the ... 90s?

@faktafakta316

4 жыл бұрын

@@OniNoFro right-wing waves started to effect Sweden around the 1970 and then it escalated in the 90s. The escalation began with the famous model "new public management". which made it so bureaucratic/ Public Administration started to shrink. The government started selling a lot of "state-owned monopolies. The economy was simply liberalized and the market became more free. The only monopoly the state still controls are alcohol and games. Last thing that really made Sweden liberal was when we entered EU. There is a law within EU that say there "must be a free market economy" which effected Sweden heavily. I'm not saying this is all good btw NPM have flaws which are very annoying, maybe it went too far but the system Sweden had in the 70s is not something I would want to go back to. The tax system was kinda broken. -However there is a interesting fact which is- since the 70s the middle class haven't grown, it's been stagnated for a while now. And most people don't know this but Sweden is actually a tax paradise. There is no what you would call "Robin Hood Tax" nor inheritance tax nor capital tax. Because Sweden is a tax paradise lots of millionaires and billionaires live here, if you look per capita we have second most billionaires and 3rd most millionaires in the world. This is obviously still very good for Sweden because even if rich people don't pay what you may say "their fair share of taxes" they will pay a lot which pay for Sweden's social program which helps the poor. So if you are an American it's problematic to have Sweden as your ideal model because we have to adapt to EU. USA should do it's own thing and if you believe like I do in "equality for opportunity" vote for free college and safety nets and try fix your private insurance. BTW you are a legend if you read all of this idk why i typed so much

@HW-es4dg

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Vrabec That’s not true search it up dude

@i3rucei3ruce

4 жыл бұрын

@@HW-es4dg It's true

The people that say “they’re r so many resources out there” have never had to use those resources & know what it’s actually like

@CeruleanMuun

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention those "resources" are either people or products of people, meaning a large portion of people cant use said "resources" because someone has to be exploited in order for them to even exist under capitalism

The guy in the glasses had the best point. The second you stop listening, or hearing the opinions of what you feel contrary to you lose. There is no growth without understanding, walking around with both fingers in your ears trying to be the loudest in the room accomplishes nothing. You become a echo chamber of your own thoughts and ideals.

That guy with the hat is every mysterious anime character...

@aricm5973

4 жыл бұрын

Did not speak more than three times lol.

@aaronfong5030

4 жыл бұрын

He's just high af.

@Shalomekai

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

How is that guy praising Norway, when we’re clearly capitalist. Also we’re not that equal in culture.

@someoneanonymous4659

4 жыл бұрын

As a U.S. citizen I can say we love to fantasize and idealize other countries and that we'll take what we like and enhance that with absolutely everyone and ignore what we don't like, and this can stretch into countries we "don't like" in the fact that you'll notice we tend to talk about the USSR when we bring up leftist ideology, but seem to leave out that the USSR isn't the only way to do the left and whether its for promoting what we personally view as POSITIVE or NEGATIVE points, we will always try to manipulate the way foreign things are perceived in order to make our points stand out with no actual regard for what true state of that particular nation is.

@robertanthonyluna

4 жыл бұрын

By American standards, the social safety nets Norway provides would be described as Socialist by most Americans, despite the fact that its not socialist. Anything that is a social benefit is considered socialist by many in the states.

@ewereko55

4 жыл бұрын

The Fantorangster Not equal, but a little more homogeneous

@Jotakumon

4 жыл бұрын

Different definitions of the word. In the USA, models like Norway's, Sweden's, or Germany's are often called socialist.

@randomcomment7675

4 жыл бұрын

Have you ever spent a longer time in the American culture? (Not an aggressive question, just asking)

Investing in each other socially is cool. As long as it comes with Extreme Ownership where each person does the work and is responsible based on the outcomes that they want. Thus allowing for individual differences to pursue different things.

I just have to say that even tho it may seem like most Nordic countries aren’t multicultural. And most of them haven’t even declared themselves as multicultural but they actually are because we are such small countries and the percentage of immigrants in Norway and Sweden has actually exploded after the 2000-2010s

@idkwhatimdoinghere9834

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, that argument is just a dog whistle at that point lmao. 💀

@winstonchurchill8491

Жыл бұрын

Correlation does not me Causation. Immigrants in those two countries commit higher rates of violent crime and do not help Sweden

@Someones_owner

Жыл бұрын

@@winstonchurchill8491 true

No offense but the capitalists weren’t very informed or knowledgeable when it came to defending their ideology. They should’ve looked for older capitalists like they did with socialists or at least find college students who know what they’re talking about instead of kids who use “human nature” or “culture” in every argument.

@3P1C_G4M3R5

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah jubilee is mega biased

@ace-dj1dm

3 жыл бұрын

true true

@boringmanager9559

3 жыл бұрын

but they still made better arguments, so I don't fully understand what you mean. Sure, they could have defeated socialists way more impressive, but a win is a win

@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066

3 жыл бұрын

Boring Manager they didn’t “win” lol. Most of their arguments were based in unsubstantiated philosophical speculation than actual legitimate criticisms of socialism.

@boringmanager9559

3 жыл бұрын

@@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066 lol, like there's not enough "legitimate criticisms of socialism"! you should learn this stuff by yourself, society doesn't have to teach you how to hold spoon or wash your hands after toilet

On one side we have Karl Marx reincarnated and on the other the physical embodiment of the Statue of Liberty

@Wyonite

4 жыл бұрын

On the socialist side they also have che Guevara’s avatar. Wanting revolution.

@josephguerreso871

4 жыл бұрын

😂

@3iknet327

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, one of them literally is named "Liberty"

@gunjfur8633

4 жыл бұрын

@@3iknet327 The statue represents USAs liberty from Brittan specifically

@maxmead077

4 жыл бұрын

Ready? Fight!

Bro telling that a single mom working hard to make ends meet, to survive, has an equal chance to be successful is mental. Human beings are not machines, they shouldn't live to work, but work to live.

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.

Жыл бұрын

_"Bro telling that a single mom working hard to make ends meet, to survive, has an equal chance to be successful is mental. "_ Depends on what kind of job and education she has.

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.

Жыл бұрын

_"they shouldn't live to work, but work to live."_ Should not make bad choices that make your life harder than it should be.

@fm56001

Жыл бұрын

@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Ah, yes, being poor is a choice.

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.

Жыл бұрын

@@fm56001 Well it can be, for example if you have a use less deg ree that doesn't really help getting empl oyed anywh ere. However getting a ki d is usually a choice, which you should get only when you have a st ab le in com e.

None of those guys are capitalist they're bootlickers lmao

@ivanstoqnov3441

2 жыл бұрын

Lol you are lying commie. They are freedom loving independent thinkers hahaha

Um, the guy said capitalism is the government taking money and giving it to the military... argument over bruh, you have no idea what capitalism even means

@seandoyle296

4 жыл бұрын

Especially considering the military is an extension of the government, NOT privately owned. This man replaced his brain with a red "revolutionary" pamphlet.

@Cfergsthebest

4 жыл бұрын

It's the same thing both sides always do. This country was socialist and this happened that's what socialism. This country is capitalist and they do this it's what capitalism is.

@colmobrienoleary2518

4 жыл бұрын

Uh.... no thats not true. I think that there is a nuanced argument to be made about how capitalism promotes the power of money in politics, where money is equated to speech (ie. Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission). The argument he was making was that it is this problem (a problem created by capitalism) that has created and continues to enlarge the military-industrial complex (just research what this is and I won't have to explain anymore). So when you say that "government taking money and giving it to the military" or "the military is an extension of the government, NOT privately owned" that's not true because it is the government buying from PRIVATE producers that enables them to gain the wealth to continue influencing politicians into giving them money. In this way it is the capitalist system's hold over governance that creates the immense military spending ($4 trillion to $6 trillion just from wars in Iraqi and Afghanistan). I'm not saying that there aren't ways that the military-industrial complex can be combated within capitalism (even though it is part of a fundamental conflict between democracy and capitalism), but the way that you are disagreeing with it is either deeply uniformed or disingenuous.

@seandoyle296

4 жыл бұрын

@@colmobrienoleary2518 You walked that argument around only to come to a half-hearted conclusion. The military remains unowned by private interests, even if the military is heavily co-operative with private interests. You're correct in saying this symbiotic relationship of government funding for R&D and weapons creations and buying new technology inflates the military, improves it incredibly, even, but the insinuation still doesn't work. The holier-than-thou Socialist dude defined Capitalism as giving money to the military. You're adjusting the claim to make an entirely different argument, since the military isn't receiving money, it's buying products created by private interests, tied to military hardware and tech. Funny thing is, this can really be reduced to the model of "supply and demand", and that in itself can refer to small free-market capitalism. You have tanks, I want tanks, I'll buy the best tanks. You have apples, I want apples, I'll buy the best apples. You won't get any defense from me over regime change wars and the U.S.'s continued presence in the Middle East. It's been noted the military buys in great excess from private places and the symbiosis around it is heavily based in people making money. Still, the claim that Capitalism is "money being poured into the military" hasn't been proven. Private interests do business with and embolden the military in size and strength. So that means Capitalism is, to your point not his, the exchange of money from the government, to private companies for goods and services. A model that can be broken down to ANY exchange between a supplier and customer, that doesn't need to be nearly as nefarious as perpetuating foreign wars for oil, contracts and imperial domination.

@seandoyle296

4 жыл бұрын

It also doesn't help Mimi's point given that he, very early on, praises Norway, and presumably similar economic markers known as the Nordic economic models. Thing is, these models aren't Socialist. You want me to ask about the military industrial complex? Sure, if you go ask your average Scandinavian if their country decentralized economic power and redistributes it on a level that eliminates ALL hierarchies. Spoiler, it doesn't. They implement Socialist policies around and Capitalist economy, making it more of a hybrid framework. If we're to be well informed and not disingenuous, it'd be better to say that Capitalistic pursuits between the military and private interests have become corrupted, becoming profit driven toward the point of putting themselves in a very critical spotlight. The regulated Capitalism of Norway, Denmark, Finland, etc, is Capitalism done right. A pursuit of profit to a point that doesn't involve imperialistic regime change wars and a relationship of constant buying of excess military goods (and in many cases, the reselling of weapons to foreign entities).

Mimi is the most stereotypical neckbeard. He didn't add anything to the conversation and came across as a child.

@thenotoriusg

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, he kinda didn't try to make any points he just drowned out sensible debate with "Thankyou for making that point because your helping us"

4 жыл бұрын

Compared to the chick that was about to cry because she didn’t have any facts? 😂

@noahjacobs5039

4 жыл бұрын

ᴄʜᴏᴘᴘᴀ sᴛʏʟᴇ are you kidding me? Did you even watch then episode?

@thenotoriusg

4 жыл бұрын

@@noahjacobs5039 No hes right man, that guy was a moron, no offence to socialism, his ignorance was pretty insulting to socialist views really

@wetplate4038

4 жыл бұрын

average socialist for ya

At 3:10 I love how he started talking about things to help human society in competition but then a pay wall of 2 grand is put on it.

"where you just have people trying to be better" doesn't that bring out excellence? Because if you are trying to be better, you're trying to be.. better. So wouldn't you have to try to be more efficient and all that more than your competition? Because you're trying to be better overall.

Mimi is the guy at the family dinner when everyone is talking about football and he brings up socialism

@krystafed427

4 жыл бұрын

The Wayne Report He reminds me of my cousin, just older. Both straight up annoying and living in a bubble while complaining about everything.

@somerandomtexan6989

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! He’s the guy when your talking about the cowboys game he’s shouting about marks to your dad from the Soviet Union

@boujiatexas1870

4 жыл бұрын

Mimi looks like he got into socialism because he thought it would get him pussy but that didnt work so now hes 40 and bitter

@carneyrealestateteamatkell8675

4 жыл бұрын

@@boujiatexas1870 and still trying to get laid

@dustinstewart1194

4 жыл бұрын

Why is that so accurate! Whenever the conversation steers towards something very American like Football, or Cars, or fast food that’s when the socialist in the family decides to make the conversation about socialism.

Mimi is a walking, breathing stereotype

@mustanguy102

4 жыл бұрын

Tyson McFarland and it looks like he struggles with both. 😂

@Pandemiclui

4 жыл бұрын

Tyson McFarland id trust anyone else there except mimi (terrible name for him) with my taxes

@anamericancelt6534

4 жыл бұрын

He looks like he's from Animal Farm.

@Tray2323FTW

4 жыл бұрын

@@mustanguy102 lmao

@Skoomz

4 жыл бұрын

@Abdullah Habib not socialist but ok

"Socialism is based" -PragerU

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

Translated: CHECK OUT SOCIALISSSM.

@ulthanesmorkums

Жыл бұрын

LOL

the guy in the LA hat sounded like he was about to cry every time he talked

When the girl in yellow snapped back at him I legit stumbled cause she seems so nice and like she doesn’t confront people... then she did

@oopalonga

5 жыл бұрын

she pwnt him imo

@javionbuffington

5 жыл бұрын

Big Chungus she was def intimidates by what he “knew” she couldn’t articulate as well so whatever she “knew” was useless.

@michaelarchbold2129

5 жыл бұрын

Good for her

@Anon1376642

5 жыл бұрын

To bad she failed to make a decent argument.

@Anon1376642

5 жыл бұрын

@@PeterFlanagan0987 Ah, I kind of agree with you there though, he (the bearded fellow) didn't have many good arguments either. It was clear he was not trying to convince or meet these capitalists in some way.

"why are we even talking when you have all the facts?" "...yeah"

@iheartjbgccb

3 жыл бұрын

She was so rude 💀

@devynwoodard5999

3 жыл бұрын

@@iheartjbgccb she was kinda right tho. Other people have commented this too, but Jubilee literally decided it would be a good idea to face off the literal president of the socialist party with a bunch of college kids with next to no economic or political background

@raytas9140

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao Fr. That’s why they’re having that conversation to get into and see the mindset of others don’t be mad when someone has facts and u don’t

@markojovanovski3372

3 жыл бұрын

@@iheartjbgccb she was literally being straight forward,the dude was Hella annoying and didn't want to open his eyes for the other side unlike the others

@markojovanovski3372

3 жыл бұрын

@HMAB but he literally thinks he's the smartest in the room,didn't even try to open his eyes to look at the points the other side was making,giving off smartass vibes.Pretty annoying

Not only do the “capitalists” make me angry, but that one socialist presidential candidate does too, we need to talk about these things but you don’t have to be an absolute jerk

Jack Selby has really upped his game working for Graham Stephan and hosting the Iced Coffee Hour now! Way to go bro

This was the least effective episode yet, which is deeply disappointing. Both are economic idealogies yet no one with an understanding of economics was on the panel. No small business owners, no one benefitting from government services. There are legitimate points that can be made on both sides and I feel like that didn't really happen this time.

@painexotic3757

5 жыл бұрын

Very true. Would've been more effective with actual economists. However, I highly doubt that would be beneficial either since most people have no grasp on basic economics in the first place. How exactly would economists put things in laymans terms that most people would understand in these minute segments? The video would have to be hours long lol... Most of these vids are like this, anyway.

@MrRapp-yz4hu

5 жыл бұрын

It felt that both sides felt that their opinions were based in a perfect world while while the other sides people were just grimey.

@applebloooom

5 жыл бұрын

It didn't have to be economists. But all I could think of when the one socialist sad the minimum wage needs to be $29.50 an hour was how that would effect small business owners.

@MrRapp-yz4hu

5 жыл бұрын

@@applebloooom if minimum age was that much either there would be no jobs or everything would cost triple what it does now.

@richardthecowardlylion5289

5 жыл бұрын

If you want an actual expert on Marx and Socialist/Communist philosophy, check out Prof Richard Wolff. This is who I would have recommended to be on that panel. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q6KWya-Ek8-9h8Y.html And look up DemocracyAtWork. Its his KZread program going into further detail about all those topics.

I love it when socialists mention the nordic countries, I live in a nordic country and our economy is entirely capitalist. Our govenrments have socialist elements, like free healthcare and education but we are still living in capitalist nations and I love it.

@sydneemikumuren9812

4 жыл бұрын

it's funny bc right wingers basically think that's communism or something..

@ishaun707

4 жыл бұрын

Sydnee Mikumuren No, no we don’t.

@beverlywilliams8458

4 жыл бұрын

@@sydneemikumuren9812 The goal of socialism is communism- Vladimir Lenin

@marciaosullivan3200

4 жыл бұрын

@@sydneemikumuren9812 we don't

@cicicuku6655

4 жыл бұрын

Jóhann Thorsteinsson I live in a Nordic country too. It’s called a social democracy. That’s what people want, not socialism. And capitalists are scared because they know social democracy is the way to go.

They should have a conversation on assumptions vs Fabricated ideas

Would’ve been much more interesting if they had actually real capitalists

Mimi died in June RIP

@Daniel-qb3ki

3 жыл бұрын

@@rileyfriend imagine taking time to thank god for an innocent person's life. how sick and wicked

@MrMusashiMusashi

3 жыл бұрын

@@rileyfriend Thank you for revealing what a terrible human being you are. You should link your Facebook so we can all know who you are so we can avoid you at all costs. It's amazing someone like you can exist in a world that only functions because of people working together and yet, ironically, you don't even recognize it. Have fun in your ignorance...waiting on that Facebook link.

@MrMusashiMusashi

3 жыл бұрын

@@rileyfriend Nope, wrong. Self righteousness would mean we believed we had positions that were greater than the AVERAGE. We don't. We think we have moral superiority over YOU. Since you aren't the average that isn't self-righteous at all. You clearly don't have any idea what that phrase means so I suggest stopping all usage of it until you know what it means. I'm pointing out that you are a terrible person because you are displaying sociopathic behaviors. Celebrating the death of a person just because your ideologies don't match up is an insane display of callousness in this context. I speculate that you'd be just like those people that got arrested after storming the Capitol and ended up apologizing for their actions, lol. Regardless of if you post your information you'll likely continue being a giant douche in real life. Things will eventually come around to you and you'll remember this whether you admit it or not. Good luck with your personality disorder...

@elliott7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@rileyfriend Grow up

@NikkiCaswell

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, some people here seem to not know the decency to distinguish on disliking someone's political alignments no matter how repulsive they may be, and the showing humanity for when tragedy happens. RIP to Mimi.

Just Googled Mimi and learned that he died of liver cancer about a month ago. So sad! Rest In Peace.

@driediced5427

4 жыл бұрын

The only good commie is a dead one

@chickenfdisoruhg4915

4 жыл бұрын

Ungrateful Fork Please stop that.

@nonorden7100

4 жыл бұрын

@@driediced5427 Did you really just disrespect a man that has passed away? If I was you I would go to a shrink and say that I wrote on the internet that a certain man is better when he is, (-because of his political status). Then you would probably be send to a mental health hospital, at least if you live in a sensible country. I really hope you become a better person and learn to have empathy. It's a good thing. I'm worried about you, please get help.

@bloodofeuropa8408

4 жыл бұрын

@@driediced5427 BETTER DEAD THEN RED

@driediced5427

4 жыл бұрын

Blood of Europa hell yeah brother

Bet those "Capitalists" have no capital

@julianG1212

2 жыл бұрын

What?!

@roofkorean2067

2 жыл бұрын

You know...? I-

What results/output do we expect from our economy? Do we want our economic system to be fair and produce economic efficiency, equity, freedom, growth, security, and stability?

The topic was great, the people in the video were not

@owl.drinks.tequila

5 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree

@mikeee3691

5 жыл бұрын

True, I think the "Socialists" were actually social Democrats, not mimi though.

@Rob.N.

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikeee3691 Yeah I'd characterize him as a Marxist

@peradabanbaruindonesia1546

5 жыл бұрын

Agree

@Ellimist000

5 жыл бұрын

@@Rob.N. IDK he didn't really talk about the idea of people earning the fruit of their own work, in the video he did sound more Social Democrat-y, though its hard to tell with the cutting off of the video.

Socialism isn't the same as a social democracy. I live in Sweden and get a bit like agitated when bernie for instance calls us socialists

@AdamSmith-gs2dv

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry but Socialists are idiots. They don't even know what they are preaching for or what the term Socialism means. They just think Socialism = government programs not what it actually means (government ownership of the means of production)

@burn0ut995

5 жыл бұрын

What? I never made the point that socialism is a positive system of government. I said that I get frustrated when people mix up socialism and social democracy. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of poduction. Social democracy is often characterized with high taxes and free education, healthcare Etc.@@AdamSmith-gs2dv

@thegigadykid1

5 жыл бұрын

You guys are socialist mixed with capitalist.

@thegigadykid1

5 жыл бұрын

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv no capitalist are retarded. Unless you're wealthy or trying to be wealthy other that you're not a true capitalist

@YoshiOombaa

5 жыл бұрын

The ideologies are just so much different when it comes to the american liberals, socialists or conservatives and the Nordic liberals, socialists or conservatives. For example is Denmark its mostly Socialists vs Liberals. Conservatives almost dont exist here because we our society is built Up on a whole other history. The ideologies just have different meanings here than they do in America

RIP Mimi. Gone but not forgoten.

@captainyank138

Жыл бұрын

I forgot him

@johncaze757

Жыл бұрын

What happened?

sorry Starbuck treated their employees so well!

Girl: “If you have all the facts then why do we even bother?” Mimi: *yes*

@x.Gerry.Rival.x

4 жыл бұрын

Well she could've taken it as a learning moment. Do you think she was being sarcastic? IDK

@fury3029

4 жыл бұрын

Gerry Rival I just think Mimi is funny

@janaaeborn4999

4 жыл бұрын

@@x.Gerry.Rival.x Wait was it really sarcasm?? I couldn't tell I was so confused with her the whole timefewihf

@ofanichan

4 жыл бұрын

Janaa Moderato yes. She basically said that because the point of the show is finding a middle ground, but he just refused to listen to the other side just to bring down facts

@janaaeborn4999

4 жыл бұрын

Cerulia ah I see

People don’t get that the Scandinavian countries have a capitalist economy. Like one of the most capitalist society. Save Norway they have that oil fund that makes everyone rich

@praapje

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, Scandinavian (and other European) countries are capitalist societies with social programs.

@johnrobinson2228

4 жыл бұрын

They have capitalist economies with high taxes that result it more socialization. Social safety net, public services etc

@jonathanfedericogasperinik1183

4 жыл бұрын

Well yeah as a Dane, we are a capitalist country. But with a big safety net I think you can say. I thinks its called Social Capitalism but not sure.

@alexcrixell7265

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanfedericogasperinik1183 one big safety net is having America protect you with our military.

@rebeccamadsen4509

4 жыл бұрын

Like people have written the economy in my country (sweden) and nordic countries is capitalistic. I think what I like about our country that would fall under socialism is perhaps the free healthcare and education, everyone pays high taxes so that everyone can have a chance to get good education and healthcare. That doesn't mean I care about random strangers. It might sound harsh but I really don't care about people other than my friends and family, I pay my taxes for the good of the people in my country and I want our citizens to be able to have all these stuff available but it's not on a personal level if that makes sense, I guess I just think that more good comes out of us helping each other to takw care of our society than being completely self centered but I would still agree with the "all humans are inherently selfish" it just depends on what important to each individual

Did he just say children are not selfish?! Lmao, don't you remember being a child? 🤣

@ulthanesmorkums

Жыл бұрын

Acknowledgement of human nature destroys any socialist, because when you bring it up they have to contend with the overwhelming evidence of the falsehood of Primitive Communism.

@donel532

Жыл бұрын

You must’ve been a bad kid

If that dude’s idea of socialism is the market economies of the Nordic countries then I guess he needs to maybe do a little more research. Norway = Free Market, Venezuela = Socialist. D’oh!

Heavy how mimi is the oldest and yet seems the most immature

@morbotheturtle3796

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the average socialist

@FosterF.

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't like how they brought him in because he's not the average socialist, he's just a bad stereotype.

@FosterF.

4 жыл бұрын

@@morbotheturtle3796 If you wanna talk stereotypes I could call you a money-hoarding pig.

@Mo09ful

4 жыл бұрын

Gara -bō agreed, I believe in a lot of socialist principles however it's very sad to see a representative like this in the public spotlight.

@codeman683

4 жыл бұрын

@Edgar Barcelona How?

Wouldn't it be better to have a middle ground with people who know more about the subject? Historians etc, who are experts. There's almost no actual content in this conversation

@076657

5 жыл бұрын

You're asking for content from socialists. A mindset that should only be had by 5 year olds who want things to "be nice".

@Millionsofpeas

5 жыл бұрын

That is a stretch passerell. If anything, socialists tend to be overeducated.

@076657

5 жыл бұрын

Not a stretch, I am not talking about wether youve studied or not. If you study a whole career based on a childish mindset, you have that childish mindset. Socialism is exactly that, a mother as the government. Also it doesn't take into account real world dynamics, it just has an ideal objective which destroys the whole system. We can't all be the same worth, let the doctor get pay more than the garbageman.

@MrInkblots

5 жыл бұрын

passerell have you ever read a single book written by a socialist?

@michaelzhou2422

5 жыл бұрын

passerell read “the communist manifesto”

can y’all make a longer episode?????? thanks

There is no middle ground to the question, “should workers be exploited”

@msrasimgeuysal1948

2 жыл бұрын

period

@sabrinaeinolf5506

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The obvious answer is yes. That's what work is.

@FirstNameLastName-sy2jq

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabrinaeinolf5506 you can still work and make progress without having to be exploited

@HutchHere

2 жыл бұрын

capitalism isnt "workers being exploited". what is being exploited is working for nothing.

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.

2 жыл бұрын

@Alex Huezo : True ... which is why nobody who is pro humanity likes socialism.

They should have each stated what they think is socialism and capitalism-- they clearly have different definitions what they are talking about

@mona-checkoutmychannel7656

5 жыл бұрын

Therefore, this argument is void... Lol

@bryanstrider

5 жыл бұрын

Better yet, capitalists should be made to define socialism that the socialists would be happy to sign off on. Vice versa. r/steelmanning

I can see why Mimi didn’t go very far in the presidential race

@UnusualAI_

5 жыл бұрын

He looks like Marx 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@chumplafayette9561

5 жыл бұрын

@Michael Ward a lot of his points were just common sense. But he pointed to actual "provable" things too, like the MIT Living Wage Calc. If you disagree that it's "provable," that's on you, not on him.

@sammillwood8301

5 жыл бұрын

Because he ran on the socialist ticket.

@peterkirk8510

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Ward you not agreeing with them doesn’t make them lack substance.

@daniel11ist

5 жыл бұрын

So condescending!!!

There isn't a common ground. This video would be easier. Accepting that.

Everybody's conveniently forgetting that in a competition, subversion is fair game, whereas in cooperation, there's no room for it.

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

Fortunately in a functional capitalist system both competition and cooperation are essential.

@murasaki-dayo

Жыл бұрын

@@willnitschke Co-operation to crush the workers and trying to get everything from them, and competition to make the most profits first.

@willnitschke

Жыл бұрын

@@murasaki-dayo Yeah dude, 'cause the guy you paid to mow your lawn is a tyrant trying to crush you. You're all small children living in make-believe. 🤣

@tyc6268

Жыл бұрын

@@murasaki-dayo socialism just funnels profits into the pockets of the most powerful by taking advantage of people that lack the self awareness to admit their own nature. Since you can’t admit you’re selfish you can’t see that the politicians pandering to you are selfish. So In a way those that advocate for socialism deserve to be swindled until they realize the truth. The down side is they tend to sink the whole ship before they realize the pedestal of “higher morality” they were standing on was just a large pile of b$.

@murasaki-dayo

Жыл бұрын

@@tyc6268 You missed one teensy-tiny point. Socialists hate politicians. Socialists believe in change, which is totally not possible through empty promises from corrupt rich politicians you are money swindlers. You advocate for governmental democracy, and not workplace democracy. You are satisfied to work where you don't have the freedom to have a say of voice or don't have the freedom to vote for your boss. You do not own what you make. The fact that capitalism is an economic system based on exploitation, I would say I am better off being a socialist.

The capitalists got played here. You should’ve got small business owners, and people who work in the money industry. Not a bunch of college kids...

@ChocoFlyJMoCo

5 жыл бұрын

Probs would be a bit better with people with real experience like that, but they weren't even close to being played

@loov7779

5 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@cloudthief8918

5 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say they 'got played' but the socialists seemed a bit more educated on the topic..

@ChocoFlyJMoCo

5 жыл бұрын

@@cloudthief8918 They came across educated, however their facts and general logic were all off. They knew their own broken ideology well, and fed off their feelings.

@cloudthief8918

5 жыл бұрын

@@ChocoFlyJMoCo The capitalist side's reasoning and logic weren't great either but gathering from your description of socialism as 'broken', I think we're both biast.

Guys, there's a difference between a friendly little sporting competition and literally competing for your livelihood.

@elle-ty9jh

3 жыл бұрын

literally

@lifeisactuallyveryboring.7771

3 жыл бұрын

So true.

@dgoo5602

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

@husseinpoliphilo

3 жыл бұрын

News flash you always are competing for your life npc

@picklejar462

3 жыл бұрын

Look at the animal kingdom. It isn’t a friendly sporting competition. They fight for survival. Are you not aware of this? We are technically mammals so we are animals too. Nobody said life was nice. It’s not. That’s life. But freedom is better than comfort and being controlled by the government. Why would you trust the government with your life like that? Haven’t you learned from history? Look at what happens every time. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

"Why are we even talking to you when you have all the facts and we don't know anything?" "I don't know."

Did that guy really just say the government spending taxpayer dollars on something he disagrees with is something bad about capitalism?

As a college student who works part-time, maintains a good gpa, and can afford school... I do not consider myself successful because I have crippling anxiety and endless stress to maintain my job and college. Just because on paper I look good, doesn’t mean IM doing good.

@janaejackson9683

3 жыл бұрын

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@lucychavner2827

3 жыл бұрын

success is subjective, i hope you get where you want to be dude:)

@gray334

3 жыл бұрын

I was like you when I was in college, working a full time job while doing fulltime school so i do know what its like do go though what you are. if you are able to do all that with your crippling anxiety and endless stress I strongly believe later on in life if you give it your all you can be very successful ngl.

@computerlearingchannel4257

3 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is college is socialism in nature them professor always seem to be pushing socialist ideology while they steal your money 🤣

@SefniAsheforr

3 жыл бұрын

Could be worse, you could be in a forced labor camp to meet industrial quotas with no individual choice over what you want to pursue in your life since the collective has specific needs to make it work.

"OMG THE SCANDINAVIAN COUNTRIES AREN'T SOCIALIST" I'm pretty sure he clearly said social democracy

@sandeater3098

3 жыл бұрын

They are just America but with more welfare programs

@olivierdols5556

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandeater3098 im not scandanavian but i am from mid/north europe and you're absolutely right , ive been to the US and i can say that some Eu countries are basicly like the US but the government does a bit more and the taxes are a bit more thats it (ignoring culture).

@benjaminr8961

3 жыл бұрын

He brought it up in a discussion about socialism in order to support socialism. He is clearly trying to equate the two.

@uhsund

3 жыл бұрын

@@olivierdols5556 Eh, sorta but not really. They use Capitalism system for most things, but anything related to humans uses the capitalist model.

@stoopidimnotgonletyougetth1066

3 жыл бұрын

Waqar Bhatti they are economically left. America is not. Therefore, they’re closer to socialism than America, which is why it was discussed, as the socialists are insinuating a shift towards increasingly left policies would be beneficial. Simple stuff really.

this comment section is so uneducated. mimi, may he rest in peace is advocating for a social democracy. there is a big difference between socialism and communism...

Would love to see these in long-form. The answers get cut off too quickly for more than sound bites.

Mimi didn’t make a single point. He just threw out vague statements looking to gain support without and foundation for what he’s saying

@donnygv27

4 жыл бұрын

Did you guys not watch the video lol

@wazzzzzappeeps4170

4 жыл бұрын

donnygv27 we did and we strongly believe Mimi made no valid points

@andrewmathis7072

4 жыл бұрын

@Logan Waltz Do you think you could explain to me in your view the true factual flaws of socialism and its implementation in the United States for me? I don't really support it myself but would love to hear your view.

@mikelafo-3564

4 жыл бұрын

@@donnygv27 You blind

@LinneAzalea

4 жыл бұрын

He made many points and based off of facts. Like didn't you see the video?

Please redo this topic. But make it a longer video because it’s a massive huge topic.

@illuminate4622

3 жыл бұрын

They won't. The capitalist leaders are panicking. 30% of millennials approve of communism.

@slingy7009

2 жыл бұрын

@@illuminate4622 ur name... stop talking

@ZakkuTakku

2 жыл бұрын

Some actual economists would be great for this topic!

@vn7512

2 жыл бұрын

@@illuminate4622 if they are, then they haven’t live in a communist country yet.

@2seep

2 жыл бұрын

@@vn7512 communism has never existed, what you think is communism is more of a dictatorship

This is an issue where Middle Ground cannot be reached it's one or the other