Love the props given to Ken Shamrock here; he deserves far greater respect than he gets today.

A lot of people don't realize how good Ken Shamrock was due to him fighting when he was past his prime and taking a lot of loses toward the end of his career. If Ken Shamrock was a young man training for MMA today would he become a major championship title holder? I don't know, but I think that he'd be above average. Keep in mind that Ken came form a dysfunctional family background, and that he suffered a broken neck while training as an amateur wrestler in high school. He also got into MMA at a relatively late age.

@JohnnyJMurphy

7 ай бұрын

People should watch him in pancrase. For anybody who doesnt know what it is its essentially pro wrestling but for real. You can kick, stomp, slam, chock, arm bar but NO CLOSED FIST strikes to the face. Guys like Bas Rutten, Ken and Frank Shamrock were amazing. There are some greats fights to see from those guys. Remember Bas put novacane in his legs so he could kick the hell out of ppl

@user-nv1gm2zj7y

7 ай бұрын

yeah ken opened the mma portion of ufc.

@biozio186

7 ай бұрын

A lot of people don't realize a lot of things

@gimmydeen

7 ай бұрын

How long was his fight with Royse Gracie? 30 minutes? No rules either! He was a fvcking badass!

@mftovar8048

7 ай бұрын

…and those few that realize and know how good the Shamrocks were, can accept that they’re not as good as todays fighters. Different times for different folks.

I agree 100% on Frank Shamrock. The first true modern MMA fighter. His mouth and way he carried himself is what got him into trouble with orgs, but his skill set and tenacity was undeniable.

@justinlast2lastharder749

7 ай бұрын

His teaching skills kinda suck though. His instructors can't defend a rear naked choke to save their lives. Back when he opened his San Jose Gym in 08, he had an opening night smoker competition. My gym went. They had good stand up but zero ground game.

@b.a.7228

7 ай бұрын

Erik Paulson was first with Frank, Matt Hume, and Pat Miletich right after.

@gorkskoal9315

6 ай бұрын

@@justinlast2lastharder749 lol well yeah. That was the problem with the shamrocks. I meen they can last 300 years in the ring(hence the no lay and pray rule) but fuuuu like you say: no ground game. Though I guess no fence and hump and winning ( or loosing) from having a thick skull is better than going Tank Abbot and grinding someone with your dick against the fence untill the judges pass out from sheer bordome.

Joe “he eat turtles for breakfast including the shell” The rock “ yes, yeah, yes”

@dareebenezer7

7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 Insane

@jwsteelers1

7 ай бұрын

LMAO. For like 2 minutes all he says is yes and yeah

It's an absolute travesty Ken Shamrock has never. Even on JRE. Hes a great storyteller and still a very sharp guy.

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur

4 ай бұрын

He was on the Jaxxxon podcast a day ago or so.

@jackbauer4186

4 ай бұрын

@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur Just saw it. Ken is articulate enough that he could be a very good commentator if a promotion would hire him.

Love how well the rock talks about shamrock, shamrock was the reason I got into mma after being a fan of him in wwe

I really hope that Joe will have Brock Lesnar on the pod some day!

@MsDemob

7 ай бұрын

Hell yeahh!

@Bobby.2000

7 ай бұрын

Brock and separately Austin

@sethmoney11b1p

7 ай бұрын

👍👍👍

@macattack619

7 ай бұрын

Goldberg or cm punk

@Bobby.2000

7 ай бұрын

@@macattack619 honestly Goldberg is a fairly boring guy and CM Punk is about as interesting as a wet fart.

For people downplaying Ken Shamrock's greatness in his prime, keep in mind that Ken taught Frank for years, and built the foundation that Frank was able to take to the next level. Ken also beat Bas in his prime. Frank had an intense bout with Tito back in the day, and Frank was able to win with strikes that are considered "illegal" in today's MMA (back of the head). Not really fair to compare it to today's MMA fighters as today there are also more rules.

@coreycollins6917

7 ай бұрын

It’s like saying Robert McDermott couldn’t compete in the nba today. It’s true but the players today wouldn’t be as good as they are without the people before them to learn from

@AztecUnshaven

7 ай бұрын

@@coreycollins6917 Exactly.

@MikeySkywalker

7 ай бұрын

What? That’s like saying NFL stats don’t count because the game used to be played differently.

@AztecUnshaven

7 ай бұрын

@@MikeySkywalker Different context in a combat sport.

@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207

7 ай бұрын

He beat Bas twice, I just watched the second match again recently to show my students a particular entry to a kneebar.

A pro fighter would have access to the best (or at least modern coaching), which means their coaches would have knowledge up to date with the state of current mixed martial arts. Had the Shamrocks, Rutten or others from earlier eras fought today, this would apply to them as well, meaning their skill set would be much more rounded and efficient. It's very conceivable that they could be dominant even now.

@harrywatson2694

7 ай бұрын

i mean he still would of been a wrestler. and wrestlers arent really champions anymore

@GeTarnished_

7 ай бұрын

Khabib,Islam,Kamaru,Khamzat

@TPilly

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@GeTarnished_jon jones as well lol and volk was a national wrestling champ 🤣 wrestling is the heart of the sport you fool

@joannewilson6577

7 ай бұрын

@@GeTarnished_ and Jones!

@eugeniovera7435

7 ай бұрын

​@@harrywatson2694L

Such a crime Frank Shamrock isn’t in the UFC hall of fame because of Petty White.

@KillPuddle

7 ай бұрын

They tried to take Dana out of business and shit on him twice so ...yeah he petty if someone tried to take u out of business and hurt your pockets you wud be petty to even tho Dana up now and they down he took that personal so its forever fuck them to him...same with tito and randy couture

@rd24life

7 ай бұрын

@@KillPuddlestop with the Dana kiss butt. Dana is evil, greedy, and selfish

@RyanDMoore

7 ай бұрын

Dana White send like a vulture and a pig

@crazypato3752

7 ай бұрын

​@@KillPuddlewhat happened between Dana and Frank ?

@KillPuddle

7 ай бұрын

@@crazypato3752 frank left bcuz he thought he deserved millions wen mma as a whole wasn't even banking anywhere close to millions early on and he held Dana up for some money and just up and left same with tito and randy cotoure in there minds they deserved 100 millions of dollars ...its why people like royce don frye..chuck liddel mark Coleman always get looked out for life they understood there was no money in mma early on they were losing money throwing pay per views.?.and they never held him up for money or no showed a pay per view event ...people like the shamrocks tito and randy think they smarter ....Dana a better man then I wudve been he still put aside his feelings and brung them back to fight in the ufc so u can't say he an asshole

I remember seeing an interview with Manny Pacquiao, he said, “When the training is hard, the fight is easy.”

@LiLgPnoy15

7 ай бұрын

I remember watching that on HBO 24/7. Proud to be Filipino.

@younglove3362

7 ай бұрын

Agreed 👍 My case is basketball 🏀. When I was placement the easiest thing, I didn't notice how much better I got until I played the actual game. I understand why Kobe and Jordan crap 💩 on lazy team mates. Practice is harder than the games.

@dickblaster6408

7 ай бұрын

U r gayyyyy!!

@richardnascaw1237

Ай бұрын

That’s a Suvorov quote look it up

I feel a mention of Don Fry should be added

The Rock impersonating LA Knight with all those "yeah" answers is somewhat ironic

@superlyger

Ай бұрын

He’s trying to keep peace with Joe. Rock can be a real asshole.

Ken was one of my customers and our kids went to the same school so I got to him. He was a real cool guy. To get into the lion's den you had to wrestle with one of the guys including Ken. Every new person would get choked out. That was the first hurdle.

High five to The Rock for mentioning Ken Shamrock!

@ydb6564

7 ай бұрын

But he says Ken started in wwf which is wrong. He fought then went to wwf then came back

@frankanuzzi9740

7 ай бұрын

@@ydb6564exactly what’s he thinking

@CamberRockerCamber

7 ай бұрын

​​@@ydb6564no. The Rock never said WWF. Ken did start out as a pro wrestler first before going to mma. Which is correct.

@fredcharlotte

7 ай бұрын

@@ydb6564 What he did in Japan is considered "pro wrestling" over there.

@ReanimatorsMutilations

7 ай бұрын

​@@fredcharlottehe started in America

I can't remember who he was fighting but that time when Frank kept getting hit in the face on the ground and keeps smiling like a maniac always cracks me up.

@tennesseewebb2651

7 ай бұрын

It was Bas

The Rock "yea, yea" "yes" "yes" yeah" "yes" What he's really thinking: This motherfucker won't stop talking. What Neil Degrasse Tyson is thinking: Now yall understand why I keep Joe in line.

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur

4 ай бұрын

lol

Ken Shamrock was an animal. Erik Paulson and Shamrock were awesome to see.

@mujahidali4344

7 ай бұрын

Facts

I know a lot of people complained that Joe talked so much during this podcast but I honestly liked it. The way I looked at it is the rock is a super busy dude, how often does he get to just sit and chill and pick somebodies brain? Especially about a field he's interested in and probably doesn't have the time to just read articles or watch videos on like MMA.

The Rock doing his best Eddie Haskell impression.

Guys like Strickland, Khabib, Bones, etc. would have different training & different careers in old school 90's early 2000's UFC. Vice versa guys like Gracie, Shamrock, etc. would have different training & careers if their peaks were 2010's & 2020's. Take Basketball for example: People debate what would happen if MJ & LeBron switched eras. One, they would be raised in different era's effecting the mentality, training, play, toughness, etc. It would completely change both guys career's in ways we can only speculate. If you put an athlete in a different era in any sport their career would be different for better or worse, we can only speculate & debate how much different their career would be.

A Mark Kerr… Coleman… Frank Shamrock… Ken Shamrock… training with the top teams like Kevin Jackson, AKA, or ATT would absolutely be elite fighters in 2023. Back in the day, they were making it up as they went. Lions Den and the Gracie Family was laying the groundwork for what came later.

Frank Shamrock is definitely one of the greatest

Joe getting The Rock on here still blows my mind

@PtotheMtotheK

7 ай бұрын

...why? Joe has had the biggest names in anything and everything on his podcast. What's the big deal about Dwayne Johnson?

@swapnilrana2206

7 ай бұрын

​@@PtotheMtotheKjoe has mentioned so many times that The Rock clearly takes steroids on his podcast that I too never thought he would ever come on his show.

Nice that Joe Rogan had Joe Rogan on the pod cast...6 minute clip of Joe talking and the rock saying yeah

Rock has no idea what Joe is saying he just keeps saying yes over and over

@len6482

7 ай бұрын

Yeah

@carlm.m.5470

7 ай бұрын

A lot of people are saying that.

Wow. The Rock is truly as smart a rock.

That frank shamrock arm bar in 10 seconds was unbelievable

@len6482

7 ай бұрын

yes, against fighters who had little to no BJJ experience.

@RyanDMoore

7 ай бұрын

​@@len6482so, most human beings. BeInG a FiGhTeR, lol

Joe trying his best not to mention steroids use in the lions den

I couldnt agree more about the champion mindset. I make a similar argument when people compare eras in other sports too.

I say the same for all sports, champion is a mindset. With modern techniques, health studies and training most great athletes of the past would be at the same level as modern sports greats

Ken Shamrock was a BEAST in his Prime 💯

I watched survivor series 98 the other when rock hits Ken with the nightstick was a classic ha

1:22 Somebody tell Joe that Frank was gassed when he fought Nick Diaz

I remember reading Ken Shamrock's first book inside the lions den and he had submissions, striking but I loved his diet plan and it changed mine at 23 now being 45 I feel younger

Did they talk about steroid use on this podcast?

Dwayne "yeah, yes" Johnson

YEAH, YEP, RIGHT, OKAY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.........

The old school fighters were tuff as nails with grit.

Fighters are just a different breed of human so no matter when they lived they we’re going to be fighters

This was a great clip

Ken Shamrock was one of the guys that I absolutely bought in on the idea that he was an unhinged psycho… his intensity and that insane physique that made some of the other walking slabs look mortal was unreal (assisted results for sure, but you still gotta put time in; it’s not something you do and then sleep all day and end up looking like chiseled granite) I think even if he wasn’t a top UFC guy had he done it during his prime, that he still would’ve been very successful overall

The Rock sounds like he’s getting bored while talking to some girl😆

Ken was basically telling the Rock. Why would you compete in professional MMA when you’ve got a massive shot at becoming a wrestling star? All the glory and money with none of the brain damage. Breaking from the WWE to The UFC is backwards thinking. Unless you’re an athlete of the Caliber of a Brock Lesner or a Francis Ngannou. That transition is going to be extremely difficult and you’re going to get smashed on the way up. Ken definitely saved the Rock ass with that advice.

@thetribalist6923

7 ай бұрын

That’s all true but people get their brains mashed up in pro wrestling too. Especially back in Rock’s day. Lots of CTE from chair shots, nasty bumps, and regular slams. And that’s when things went right. I agree that Shamrock was saving Rock the time, since it was an easier path to success in wrestling where the outcome is predetermined, and who wouldn’t book a guy as dynamic as DJ to win most matches?

@jumpstart55million

7 ай бұрын

@thetribalist6923 I know they're is some CTE in professional wrestling. But I don't thinks it's at all comparable to the CTE found in MMA. Wrestling definitely destroys your body. But for a guy like the Rock who was starting from the bottom at 20 something, He was definitely going to get his bell rung. And look at most of the retired Wrestlers alive today, Even the ones from the 70s and 80s. Yea they've got a bunch of back and joint issues, But they're all lucid and sharp as he'll. Hulk Hogan, Rick Flair, Undertaker, Stone Cold, The Rock, Mick Folley, Sean Michaels etc.. Now compare them to alot of the guys from Pride who are slurring their words and barley able to hold sentences. Their are some who are OK like Bas Ruten and a few others. But alot of them are shells of their former. Had the Rock entered Profesional MMA back in the 90s he would probably be a mess today..

@VultureLivesAgain

5 ай бұрын

The UFC was not popular back then. There was little glory and little money in it. The Rock would've had to go to Pride in order to make any money, which he mentions at the beginning of this clip.

Best thing an MMA fan can do is go back and watch early Pancrase, Shooto and UFC fights. Start in 1995/96 and go from there. That’s one of the best things about Fight Pass - the library of old events is pretty extensive.

Ken Shamrocks WWE game signature move was confusing and funny to me when i was a kid but makes sense now.

Macho Man voice "The cream always rises"

The rock = " Yes , yes " " oh yea " " yes , yes " " right, right "

@miketurner643

7 ай бұрын

lol hes such a fake fuck

The rock, the champ of making people believe he knows what they are talking about.

Most Frank Shamrock videos seem to have been deleted from KZread😞. Keep Frank in your minds guys, the dude was a legend, deserves to be remembered and is a pretty great example for many generations to come.

The rock in the background like a hype man

The issue is just how different MMA was then to today. Ken's best victories in UFC were his one-side draws against BJJ legend Royce Gracie and Russian Sambo black belt Oleg Tarkatov, and his submission victories against Judo black belt, Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling champion Dan Severn, Pankration fighter Kimo, kickboxing champion Pat Smith. His best Pancrase shootfightin victories were Bas Rutten (2x), Masakatsu Funaki (2x), Maurice Smith and Manabu Yamada. But back then UFC had the "no time limit" tournament format or the "30 minute" Superfight. Pancrase had the 15 minute format for tournaments and a full 30 minute fight standard. No "rounds". Today, MMA is short, faster paced, with a lot more controversial judges decisions. You can winning the first round for 3 minutes and a hair away from winning but the buzzer goes off and then you gotta restart and then you lose the fight. Raw stamina was one of the key factors and weight limits weren't established yet. This seriously effects how to train for that environment. Here's a better question: How would today's MMA fighters fare under old school UFC rules?

Johnson saying "yea" after every sentance Joe says

Before I watch the video, I must say the thumbnail goes perfectly with the title: both Rogan and the Rock with that face, like "Well... ... ..." 😀

Ken Shamrock was capable of a 600 lbs bench press!! That’s beastly…

@johnm3907

7 ай бұрын

Not a hope.

@billj4525

7 ай бұрын

Not 600, 450 is the most Frank saw him get, but he could likely to 500 in his prime, which is insane fro his weight. 600 is a fairy tale, I don't know where you heard that.

@BILLEON2005

7 ай бұрын

@@billj4525 Unfortunately, you are incorrect and don’t know what you’re talking about ! Ken made these claims in the prologue of his first book, enter the lions den … But I will say you kinda look cool, trying to act like you know what you’re talking about …

God damn Joe says everything twice. Sometimes 3x.. excruciating banter

5:21 Gerard Gordeau used leg kicks against Kevin Rosier at UFC 1.

Ken Shamrock was good AF, underrated , he was the real deal.

If Ken was in his prime, sure. But it's not the same sport as when he started.

The rock: Yeah, yes, yeah.

Frank Shamrock vs Bas Rutten 🔥

I remember Jerry The King Lawler once said Ken shamrock is so dumb he thought judo was something that bagels are made of

The Rock basically just adding ad-libs

Ken Shamrock was a beast

the first few UFC's were single night tournaments. You fought like 5 times to win it. Shamrock in his prime would have dominated the modern era.

@ryanngungadin9871

7 ай бұрын

He fought at 95kg which is the UFC heavyweight division now. I don't see prime shamrock walking though Jones, Ngannou, DC, Stipe.

@jockejocke1

7 ай бұрын

The most I know of was the one time it was 4 fights for one guy (Royce). The other times there were 2-3 fights at the most. When did a guy fight 5 times?

@pauldavis5665

7 ай бұрын

Guys like Royce and Shamrock were big fish in a small pond back then. The modern era is full of big fish that are all well rounded in everything. Shamrock in his prime may have still been able to be competitive in the modern era, but there is no way he would "dominate".

@josephmills-mw2hs

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣​@@ryanngungadin9871

Ken was not pit of date, he was early. Ken had a major advantage was experience, he had been fighting in one form or another for years before he entered mma, he win today tomorrow, and into the future.

Royce had a specialized skill that his opponents weren't prepared for. I don't think he would rise like he did otherwise.

@williamanderson6006

6 ай бұрын

Maybe not but mma is what it is because of him.

Ken Shamrock was great in his era but stayed around way too long. Once he lost his chin, a gust of wind would KO Ken.

Listening to the conversation between Joe and Dwayne, mostly Dwayne is an echo. He has little to no knowledge of these topics.

@blackngoldfacenope93

7 ай бұрын

Poopy farts?

@cm8088

7 ай бұрын

“Ya”…..”Ya” …..”Ya” 💀

@user-tz8yq3jy8s

7 ай бұрын

Joe "Retard" Rogan. Nice topics to speak about when you have ROCK in a studio

@coolyoutubename16

7 ай бұрын

You mean little-no knowledge 😂. Not little to know 😂😂

Shamrock? 100% yes

Lion's Den, Animal House Gym, Shamrock 2000. Would be an interesting story on JRE. I think Nick Diaz trained in one of the Shamrock gyms in a podcast Nate did, where he explained that Nick in his teens training was absolutely jacked likened to probably Ken and Frank.

Ken & his brother Frank Shamrock were beasts!

Great comment by Jo about the quality that all champions have.

Great interview. Very true what Joe is saying.

Enjoy this convo

All the stuff Joe has said about The Roadhouse Leg Kick has paid off with the calf kick.

Bang on Joe . Frank Shamrock was is is underrated. He was the complete fighter. Even beat Bas

If you skip it forward every 10 seconds Joe is talking

Chael is right. It's weird that Joe didn't push back against this phony

@superlyger

7 ай бұрын

The guy lied through his teeth the whole time.

@madanalym4165

7 ай бұрын

​@superlyger who did the rock?

A lot of Joe's friends keep telling them to have Trump on well here's a great example don't talk politics talk fights like the UFC podcast did he knows lots about boxing fights a lot about UFC fights

Wish Joe could've asked him about the latest on the movie he said he was making about Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine.

@theginjaninja6885

7 ай бұрын

Oh shit he's making a movie about him? I've seen the documentary with the same name that was WILD

@ducklife420

7 ай бұрын

that's not happening anymore

@libertarianrevolution7026

7 ай бұрын

I do not think that Mark Kerr had a notable enough career in MMA to merit having a moving made about him. I can think of a bunch of MMA fighters who are more deserving of having a movie made about their lives.

Imagine if Haku got in there back then

“I feel like”. What happened to men saying “I think”. Very annoying trend saying “I feel”

Ken Shamrock was laughing at Gracie in his Gi when they first met. Then they fought 😂 Kens a Humble man.

Ken was not only jacked, but super quick and smooth combined with talent. Super good in the early UFC. But he was already in his 30s

To say Royce would rise is a stretch.. he fought for years and never evolved

"The Machida Era" lasted a loooooooooooooooooong time

@libertarianrevolution7026

7 ай бұрын

Lyoto Machida was not a champion for very long, but he was a really good fighter with a unique style.

@TheOverisel

7 ай бұрын

@@libertarianrevolution7026. My comment was sarcasm. After Machida knocked out Rashad Evans Joe proclaimed "This is the beginning the Machida Era.". Which was a joke because Machida got whooped his very next fight. Joe hypes fighters who are not worthy of hyping.. Ronda Rousy

@libertarianrevolution7026

7 ай бұрын

@@TheOverisel I remember that. Yes, Machida lost his next fight, but he was still a great fighter with a unique style.

Justice will be mine

Frank Shamrock was a monster. Loved watching him fight

Vengeance will be mine

I agree 100% with Joe on this topic!

In order for them to rise to today's mma, my hypothetical questions are what age would start training, and what age would they be premiering at?

'Project Rock '! Says it all.

Frank Shamrock was the first fully mixed martial artist could do it. All, guy also had five title defences of the middleweight strap. Dane White needs to put his eagle aside and put Frank in the Hall of Fame, who cares what his feelings are.

Who is interviewing who

How many times I a row did Dwayne say “yeah and yes” in a row? 😂 reminds me of that how to be a fake football fan commercial.

Timeline is incorrect there

Love that Ken just come back to WWE

Rock is not a combat athlete. He is great at retelling stories. Shamrock fought in pride and stuff before ufc

@coolyoutubename16

7 ай бұрын

Who said he was??

@libertarianrevolution7026

7 ай бұрын

Ken Shamrock had legitimate shoot matches in Pancrase, and one in PWFG, prior to the UFC. He also won 3 or 4 Toughman style boxing tournaments. He also did amateur wrestling in high school up until he suffered a broken neck while training. After he recovered from the broken neck none of the big colleges would touch him for a wrestling or football scholarship. Ken was a really good high school wrestler, and he did not even start amateur wrestling until he was already in high school, so it was not like he had been doing it since a young child. He also had been in lot of street fights. He came from a dysfunctional family and had a trouble upbringing. It is a wonder that he did not end up dead or in prison or have some other bad outcome.

The Rock is likely the biggest blockhead in entertainment and it really shows…