is bryan gonna be the spot for deep theological debates? 😂 never saw it coming but i’m here for it

@juniperjennifer

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@macromicrodragon

Жыл бұрын

Ditto! I quite enjoy Bryans way of communicating, he’s a well spoken person to talk to especially about theology.

@wagz72

Жыл бұрын

BCS>TFATK

@tonymaurice4157

Жыл бұрын

Abiogenesis fails

@jeffpickens4467

Жыл бұрын

Yea 100%

Callen is so caustic and disorganized in this interview. Thankfully Meyer's articulate insights and the depth to his ideas are more than enough to sustain this conversation. We need more Meyer...

@BuddyBudenstein

3 ай бұрын

The entire interview he was interrupting to interject milktoast buzzwords you find on an intro to philosophy vocab study guide. He derailed highly polished points on both sides.

@cmax4488

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. I honestly believe when he has guests on his show, he should chill out and mostly allow them to speak amongst themselves. His interruptions were not even funny and his timing was horrible. Strange considering he's a comedian.

@Cj99861

18 күн бұрын

@@BuddyBudensteinwhile I agree. I think it works decent for bringing the conversation back to a place a layman or even novice can access.

@Cj99861

18 күн бұрын

@@BuddyBudensteinotherwise these conversations, the average listener will be so lost in jargon they might not even follow along. I typically enjoy unmoderated open dialogue though personally.

@nomadicrecovery1586

17 күн бұрын

Called literally proved Stephen’s point as he tries to deny it There’s no over arching mind in the economy??? No There’s MANY One or many the economy does NOT simply appear. It’s a result of minds Holy crap what a fool

I have immense respect towards Dr. Shermer. Always respectful, yet solid and humble in his arguments. Dr. Meyer, no words. Extremely important scholar and a trailblaizer in his field. Brian Callen, an intellectual man who happens to be a genius comedian. Thank you so much for this conversation. Truly remarcable!

@garintj1547

10 ай бұрын

God bless you, sir

@bboynewsboy991

8 ай бұрын

Dishonest in his arguments. Although not as blatant as Hitchen's.

@stevebanning902

6 ай бұрын

Shermer is a con man lol he went to jail for fraud

@br.m

3 ай бұрын

The intro song is one hell of an intro song.

@syn4588

27 күн бұрын

lol Bryan an intellectual?

Stephen Meyer is truly the GOAT

@Lerian_V

3 ай бұрын

A grand GOAT

@rustyosgood5667

Ай бұрын

No he is not...sorry to burst ya dumb bubble: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5-qkraTeZyeZbg.html

@APRENDERDESENHANDO

29 күн бұрын

He's certainly one of the Greatest Grifters of All Times 😉

Apparently comedians are the last line of defense for having good faith debates and conversations. El Gato, this episode was just as uplifting as those eyelids…

Bryan has the enthusiasm of a 1st year philosophy student. It is fun to watch. I hope to see more of these kinds of discussion; and, for the most part, Bryan is on the right track!

I’m a Christian and I really enjoyed this. Excellent guests 👍

@CameronFanSite

Жыл бұрын

I'm a Christian and Michael Shermer is a relic with rocks for brains. Stephen Meyer has BTFO'd that prissy old man with these arguments before but Shermer's too dumb to either comprehend them or is so dishonest he keeps tossing out these tired old counterarguments even though he knows they're nonsense. Probably the former, to be honest.

@jasonm2506

Жыл бұрын

Evolve

@Ommateum

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonm2506 **tips fedora**

@matthewparlato5626

Жыл бұрын

At minute 6::30 Shermer literally debunks his own Philosophy about moral Objectivism...the whole Embodied Cognition movement is based on Heidegger and Dreyfuss, who are calling upon the recognition of Decartes Error in his infamous Subjective OBJECTIVE duality...and that error is not a mere woke thing... it's your problem Michael. You don't have an Objective morality because objective is a false dichotomy. We are in and of the is world just as we are in and of our bodies....like the Christians and their incarnation preoccupation nailed explicitly btw. Geez and he's a "smart guy"

@seller559

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonm2506 No

Meyer is such a great communicator of some difficult concepts. The return of the God hypothesis is more than a book title, but, as we know, science progresses one funeral at a time.

@JevinTappero

10 ай бұрын

God is...

@jackwatt8988

10 ай бұрын

@@JevinTappero an inane fantasy

@edgaralansmithee8638

9 ай бұрын

@@jackwatt8988So all the matter and energy that is the universe (or even multiverse) has no possible explanation?

@brandonmacey964

9 ай бұрын

​@@jackwatt8988that inane fantasy is shared by most of your fellow homo Sapiens. Just deal with what biology gives you. Your fellow apes are religious and you are religiously devoted to team "atheist"

@harryf1ashman

7 ай бұрын

Like WLC he operates on a different level. His ability to relate these ideas to the layman is almost inspired. Qudos to Shermer for acting as the perfect foil in this debate while keeping it civil. There is nothing worse than listening to the likes of Krauss or Atkins who refuse to acknowledge that the sceptic is owed an explanation and not just opinions based on personal prejudice. This kind of intellectual laziness is all too common among atheists.

Meyer was instrumental in bringing me back to faith. His book "Signature in the Cell" is a great read.

@thedynamicsolo4232

Жыл бұрын

Let the mockers mock Anthony. Once you read "return to the God hypothesis" you will be supported and affirmed. I am almost finished with it and there is really only one answer to "Where did it all come from?". The science is validating our Great Creator every year.

@elikunkel4381

Жыл бұрын

@@monk4258 Have you read "Signature in the Cell"?

@Erik_Danley

Жыл бұрын

Before any of us mocks someone or their views, we need to honestly assess. Yes Meyer is fantastic, a great debater, and an incredibly talented and brilliant man. God bless him

@anthonyreed480

Жыл бұрын

@@monk4258 Compared to "The Blind Watchmaker" and other New Atheist drivel that appeals to adolescents, yes, it was relatively easy for Meyer to dismantle their banal piffle.

@anthonyreed480

Жыл бұрын

@elikunkel4381 Of course he hasn't lol. Or, rather, he couldn't.

The more I hear Meyer the more I want to hear from Meyer!!!

@jerrylong6238

Күн бұрын

The more I hear Meyer, the more my a**hole wants to chew tobacco, so I can s**t it out.

This is such a great episode for those with an open mind to watch and just listen to two gentlemen discuss their many hours of life (work) on the question of, how did this all begin? Thank you for your discussion, fellas. Keep it up, Callen!

@cnault3244

Жыл бұрын

The video is titled "Can Science Find God? ". What is the scientific definition they provide for god?

@thedude5740

11 ай бұрын

​@@cnault3244to me the definition would be, the driving force behind the creation of everything that can or cannot be experienced with the senses. That force or energy is frequencies. Everything in the universe is a frequency or combination of frequencies holding their shape like a whirlpool in a stream... "God" is a fractal pattern endlessly expressing itself throughout the universe. You are the word made flesh. Science that backs this claim. The amazing resonance experiment & Star in a Jar

Meyer had a superior scientific rebuttal to any of Shermer’s statements. Well done Meyer. 👏 And “Signature in the Cell” is still one of my favorite books. 👍

@imanilim6632

8 ай бұрын

Meyer is a conman from Discovery Institute

@johnsonvids2010

8 ай бұрын

@@imanilim6632 how did you come to the conclusion that he’s a conman?

@ZebecZT

7 ай бұрын

@@imanilim6632genetic fallacy, doesn’t matter where he’s from or what he represents, what matters is what makes more sense, and its quite obvious.

@elusive4072

7 ай бұрын

@@johnsonvids2010 He's just an angry atheist who hates God.

@dapperdondaddaakalegba1698

6 ай бұрын

Meyer is a Christian with a Christian agenda.

Bryan I love this new direction you are going in. Your intelletual interest combined with your humor is unmatched.

There was a time when religion was outdated and science showed up on the seen telling religion to do it's homework. Now we are living in a time where the script has flipped and both are better for it. Religion now has need of finishing it's reformation in our better understanding of genuine spiritual experience.

Dr. Meyer is on another level. 😮

@veridicusmaximus6010

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, right above snake oil salesman.

@lonzo61

3 ай бұрын

@@veridicusmaximus6010 ZING! BAM! BOOM!!!!!

@jerrylong6238

Күн бұрын

Correct, he is another level of ignorant stupidity for sure. He is the epitome of stupidity and seems to be proud of it too. I guess the way he sees it is being the best at anything (even ignorant stupidity) is much better than not being the best at anything at all. Religion destroys people's ability to use any common sense or critical thinking skills. I mean the Buybull God says for you to lean not on your own understanding, but on the wisdom of God, because man's wisdom is foolishness to God and no man can understand the mind of God. And for that I truly thank Zeus from the bottom of my ackey breaky heart.

Callen has really surprised me with these interviews. He does a really good job asking questions and letting them discuss.

@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n

Жыл бұрын

Joe rogan better take notes

@stefanallard3084

Жыл бұрын

Rogan would be proud

@coachmarc2002

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@plutoloco2378

Жыл бұрын

All Rogan cares about anymore is trans debates and wokenesss. It’s boring.

@stefanallard3084

Жыл бұрын

@@plutoloco2378 cutting of the sexual organs of kids in a massive scale is pretty serious

This was an excellent episode, and a great example of the cordiality that there should be in discussions like these. Internet theists and atheists should take notes.

@peteranthonyofthefamilybir18

11 ай бұрын

I love GOD..! ref: as in.. ● Gift ● Orientated ● Dividends 👇 The narrative about a all-seeing, revengeful, absent-minded, DEITY with A PENIS..? NOT so much...!!!

@lonzo61

3 ай бұрын

I am a nonbeliever, and I assure you I felt no compulsion to "take notes".

Please have Dr. James Tour on your program

@Ommateum

Жыл бұрын

That would be good.

@pjaworek6793

Жыл бұрын

Ugh, what a moron, when he talks about abiogenesis. It's despicable to see educated chemists lying to people that magic or alchemy is real in this day in age when he knows damn well he's misleading people.

@ianhastie5785

3 ай бұрын

I’m a Christian and i have a really hard time with Tour. Has a really hard time with difficult questions. Always seems to have his points built on sand.

@user-rb3tk5th2i

2 ай бұрын

@@ianhastie5785 you didnt say anything specific, James Tour is world-renown and he simplystates what common says says in most of his stuff, like that life always comes from life (the law of biogenesis), and that abiogenesis is impossible, which is obviously true and what we see in reality

@Spasaymoostard

Ай бұрын

@@user-rb3tk5th2ihe’s a petulant man who has more pride than sense. Abiogenesis has more scientific backing than god. It may not be a proven theory yet, but there is strong evidence for it.

This was an awesome discussion, Bryan, thanks for hosting it. Stephen Meyer is such a bright guy and a great scholar, and Michael Shermer is so bright and well spoken as well. I love getting to hear their takes on the big issues, and seeing them discuss these things together was so cool. Stephen had some great takes in this.

Wow, a comedian just provided probably the best short discussion on these topics that I've ever heard. No joke. Well done, sir.

So dope you did this Bryan. Would love more of these. Also I’m a huge fan of Stephen. The guy is revolutionary in science

@imanilim6632

8 ай бұрын

Meyer is a conman from Discovery Institute

@edus777

6 ай бұрын

Nobody in the DI is revolutionary in science, only radical creationists.

Brendan might lose his mind when this channel surpasses Thicccboy in subscribers

@leedsdrumacademy

Жыл бұрын

Yep. And I'm here for it.

@DPER4

Жыл бұрын

He'll start hating on bryan guaranteed

Stephen Meyer has obviously done his homework. He’s also humble enough to know the limitations of human knowledge.

@pjaworek6793

Жыл бұрын

Is it humble or is it part of the scam. You can't understand this, so you need me to tell you what to think.

@seraph6758

Жыл бұрын

“You can’t understand this”.. 🤣 so tell me...?! 🤦‍♂️Lmao!

@Thrawnmulus

Жыл бұрын

He's done enough to sound like he knows what he's saying. Unfortunately he still advocates for creationism, he just likes to call it intelligent design.

@bllla

Жыл бұрын

@@Thrawnmulus Not just creationism. young earth creationism!

@barrygraham205

Жыл бұрын

Do your homework. Meyer does not advocate young earth creationism.

That was a great discussion! Meyer sounded persuasive to me! Michael is also a great person. Well done to both of them and Bryan of course!

What's interesting to me about Michael Shermer is that he explicitly believes in anthropogenic climate change, seems like the easiest thing to be skeptical of.

I love finding new books to read. I just bought Signature in the Cell and Return of The God Hypothesis.

@Uenbg

Жыл бұрын

Try: Life-How Did it Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? It's a bit older but you probably haven't read it yet (because of propaganda against the source and the phenomena described at 2 Timothy 4:3,4).

@zgobermn6895

10 ай бұрын

You're in for challenge! Those books are massive and meticulous.

@kurtb3367

9 ай бұрын

Have you read Michael Behe's books? If not, you're in for a treat. I recommend reading them in order if you have time.

I wish Bryan would stop interrupting these two guys and let them interact more with each other. I am Theist but I really to wanted to hear more from Michael Shermer. I respect Shermer even if I don't always agree with him.

@tpaulhimes

2 ай бұрын

I agree. I don’t like it when people are talking over each other, making understanding them impossible.

I would put Stephen Meyer in the room with ANYONE on matters of science! He’s the man!!! God created the Heavens and the Earth, and EVERYTHING that in them is! PERIOD!!!!!!!

@MariaPerez-uv8mm

3 ай бұрын

Amen 🙏

Stephen Meyer is a genius.

@ishmael_03

10 ай бұрын

That he is. I love how he uses arguments from atheism, agnosticism, big bang theory, materialism and every other ideology that doesn't believe in God against them. 😁 His use of math and science is just the cherry on top. 😁

@bicstic8

10 ай бұрын

No, he isn't. He is making all the same arguments that have been dismantled prior to him thinking of them. He is using mental linguistic gymnastics that make him sound amazing, but same old arguments that fall short.

@atmanbrahman1872

10 ай бұрын

@@bicstic8 never saw anything dismantled. just atheotards unable to come to grips with reality.

@Jasterouge

10 ай бұрын

If science can find God, why are there no scientific studies or peer reviewed scientific journals providing evidence for the existence of God?

@atmanbrahman1872

10 ай бұрын

@Jasterouge for the same reason you don't find the proof of plant photosynthesis in a neuroscience journal. The proof for the existence of God are in philosophy and theology journals.

I’ve listened to tons of this sort of debate. Meyers, by far, makes more sense than all others combined.

@muneebiqbal5584

Жыл бұрын

He exposes skepticism for what it is, scientific dogma. Currently there is no better hypothesis then intelligent design yet the majority of scientist still don't accept it.. Instead they talk about philosophical ideas of truth which can be imposed on any hypothesis. In that case, intelligent design hypothesis is 99% true. And the amazing part is, all religions require faith, as if the creator of the world made it so that no one can ever come to 100% truth in this world... hmm strange that.

@jaydenwilson9522

Жыл бұрын

@@muneebiqbal5584 it's funny because modern atheism is more adherent to doctrine and dogma than the vatican church of old, to the point where they indoctrinate students with disinformation and lead to stifling of free thought for scientific ideas... not to mention they worship the gods of randomness (newtonian dynamics), nothingness (big bang) and meaninglessness...... the next Einstein will most definitely not come from academia or the west...

@franzpaul6244

11 ай бұрын

you should consider Dr. James Tour on the origin of life. he had a great podcast with Steven Meyer about 2 years ago...

@jeffclark2675

11 ай бұрын

​@@franzpaul6244yes! Steven was a guest on Dr James tour's podcast... Absolutely enthralling discussion

@franzpaul6244

11 ай бұрын

@@jeffclark2675 Dr. Meyers has a 4 part discussion scheduled with Dr. Tour on the origin of life and the first 2 have been published so far. those 2 together are an absolute must watch...

Great, respectful discussion. I’ve been an agnostic about the existence of a creator being for as long as I can remember. I’ve never really been into philosophy, or science for that matter..but as of late I’ve been really developing an interest in both. This Meyer guy really impressed me; eloquent and really intelligent. I found his arguments pretty compelling. Will be checking out more of his stuff!! Thanks for having him on.

@BbBb-sd2bs

9 ай бұрын

Really?!?!? im 4 min in and hes already talking about intelligent design and "codeing" in cells.. this is run of the mill apologetics..

@johnnyboy6707

9 ай бұрын

@@BbBb-sd2bs I don’t really care if it’s considered “Run of the mill apologetics,” or anything else - I judge his arguments by the weight I think they carry. This was sort of the first time I’ve ever heard these arguments articulated this way, and I don’t think they’re so easily dismissed…they’re making a good bit of sense to me.

@danielgiordano3238

9 ай бұрын

I’ve heard similar topics brought up in apologetics, but to your point, Meyer makes these points in a way I’ve never heard articulated before. Very compelling and he clearly has solid scientific grounding (one of his big differentiators)

@jamespenny9482

9 ай бұрын

I agree with you. You may also like Hugh Ross, he's terrific and very humble and respectful of others with opposing views.

@RK79KR

8 ай бұрын

@@BbBb-sd2bs Haha, 4 minutes in and you're an expert. Please. Be less close minded, it's silly.

Stoked to see more and more people do this stuff. ❤️

Bryan, I’ve been a fan since the TMP days. I’m an ICU Travel Nurse with 10+ years in the job. I would be honored to be a guest on your pod for even a quick chat. Keep up the good work!

Return of the God Hypothesis is a great read.

I’m an Independent Latino. Thank you Bryan you are KING 👑 !!!!!

Amazing discussion. Bry actually made some very poignant points throughout and was asking the right questions. I loved this

@nathanwaibel454

Жыл бұрын

Poignant means sad.

@Mr_everything10

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanwaibel454 😂

@seraph6758

Жыл бұрын

...three thumbs up... 🤷‍♂️

Great to see Stephen here, I’ve followed all his stuff and when I first discovered ID over a decade ago I was totally blown away it completely made sense. If more people could look at this more closely instead of going on auto believe with neo evolution theory they would find meaning

@petepottieski6673

6 ай бұрын

Aron Ra... Truth teacher!

I love that Bryan Callen is interested in this and is not afraid to ask the meaning of certain words phrases of things these guys say I'm learning more this way.

@juniperjennifer

Жыл бұрын

He is fearless while not afraid being in fear. 🇺🇸

I can listen to Stephen Meyer the whole day. The man is knowledgeable. A discussion with him is informative.

@patrickl8943

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about Michael Shermer😂

Whoa. Didn’t expect this! Good job Callen! Keep it up!

Hold on a second! People talking about great questions without yelling and name calling? What year is this?

@Si_Mondo

Жыл бұрын

These are men from a different generation.

This was fantastic! Keep doing episodes like this!

The algorithms did me a solid recommendation on this, fan of Bryan since TMP. Exceptional podcast, i thank you. Familiar with Shermer and thought he was great here, and Meyer is someone I am very happy to be introduced to.

Love Meyer! Brilliant mind. I really like his friendly approach and grasp of everything. Shermer seems like one of the better skeptics. Also, friendly in manner.

This just keeps getting better! The content is 💯 B!

Meyer is phenomenally intelligent & learned individual I have ever listened

@raginglunatik8979

Жыл бұрын

His logic is based on fallacies. Hes starting off with morals not being objective, fine tuning of the universe, intelligent design etc. Even Bryan is on a higher intellectual level.

@seraph6758

Жыл бұрын

We don’t need to have problems with how other people think. That is the whole problem with society today. Stop caring to control what people think, let them have their lessons. It’s NOT FOR YOU TO KNOW HOW OTHERS SHOULD BE. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️ One love.

@raginglunatik8979

Жыл бұрын

@@seraph6758 People are allowed to have opinions. However, when those opinions are harmful to others it is absolutely a problem. On behalf of all the abused children who are forced into religion by their parents, and taught that they are broken and will be tortured for eternity if they dont worship an imaginary being, you are wrong. You are demonstrably wrong. Furthermore, moral standards are pretty important in society. While laws should never be the moral guideline since slavery was once legal etc its imperative that some line be drawn. We dont let serial killers do what they do because who are you to tell them they cant be who they want to be.

@seraph6758

Жыл бұрын

@@raginglunatik8979 Now you need to be real, and not ephemeral, opinions don't hurt. No, I'm not religious by the way, NOT that you have established a grasp on the subject, at all.

@Dilly972

Жыл бұрын

@@raginglunatik8979 You complain of the parents who brow beat their children due to the parents faith, what of the children who are coerced into sex changes and hormone therapy because of their spiritually dead parents? The understanding that life is designed and design is an absolute like Stephen Myers argues for, does not require a religious God. It does however offer a level of understanding (about life) that in the case of the trans issue would show the way to have a life of peace happiness and joy is to fit into the design of life and encourage the children to do that rather than the trauma misery and pain that the trans community eventually land in. Ideas have consequences, religious as well as non religious. Lets not pretend that doing away with God as a concept does not come with some pretty serious issues.

I’m so glad to see this finally hit more mainstream platforms. Super interesting discussion!

Fist time on your channel Bryan and I gotta say, you are a great interviewer: direct, lay it all on the table, no agenda, just searching for truth!

Flowers bro. Ole Wrinks bringing all the wisdom lately. I’d love to see a weekly installment of this show.

@juniperjennifer

Жыл бұрын

Our wrinks is really growing. Proud of you Bryan.

@matthewparlato5626

Жыл бұрын

At minute 6::30 Shermer literally debunks his own Philosophy about moral Objectivism...the whole Embodied Cognition movement is based on Heidegger and Dreyfuss, who are calling upon the recognition of Descartes Error in his infamous Subjective OBJECTIVE duality...and that error is not a mere woke thing... it's your problem Michael. You don't have an Objective morality because objective is a false dichotomy. We are in and of this world just as we are in and of our bodies....like the Christians and their incarnation preoccupation nailed explicitly btw. Geez and he's a "smart guy"

@juniperjennifer

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewparlato5626 preoccupied with God is time we’ll spent.

Meyer is the boss

We live in a miraculous universe that miraculously grew humans…what more proof do we need.

Awesome Bryan! Looking forward for this conversation!

I’m a Christian so I am aware of my bias. I’ve read three of Myer’s books and I don’t think most responses to his arguments are fair nor are they adequate. But again, I realize my bias. I very-much doubt however that anyone truly is without bias. One of the things I find frustrating is that many of the skeptic types act as if they are objective and have no deeper reasoning behind their beliefs than reason itself. Religious people are always encouraged to examine their assumptions and this is not something practiced most times by the other side. I have listened to Michael on several occasions and I will say that he is at least respectful towards those he disagrees with which is a rare find with many in this conversation. Great discussion.

@pjaworek6793

Жыл бұрын

Aware of your bias. How is that possible if you believe something completely; you're convinced of something and biased towards any information that could disprove your belief. You're not aware of the bias that when loosened would dissolve your belief. That's what a bias does, blinds you. Religious people are in no way ever encouraged to doubt their beliefs. Prove it, let's hear one religious person telling people to be skeptical. Nuts!

@noiceman

Жыл бұрын

@@pjaworek6793 "Religious people are in no way ever encouraged to doubt their beliefs. Prove it, let's hear one religious person telling people to be skeptical." As a former militant atheist of 20 years and now an Orthodox Christian, I have to say you have no idea what you're talking about. There are countless examples in the New Testament describing the Apostles as being doubtful of Christ and Christ telling them that it is natural to doubt. Moreover, most of the people on the interwebs encouraging people to be skeptical of the government or mainstream media are conservative Christians. To argue that "religious" people don't tell people to be skeptical is intellectually dishonest and demonstrably incorrect.

@reenie6738

10 ай бұрын

@@pjaworek6793we are all biased. But if you become aware of your bias you are no longer blinded. Your eyes are open and you will be less likely to let your bias dominate your ability to critically think and be able to entertain other views in good faith and even be open to good arguments that may change your views.

I love this Bryan, you are really digging at the heart of things with this line of questioning…

Stephen meyer was on shermers podcast before and that was one of the best discussions ive heard... Now they are in one room?? 1 hour zoomed by quick

From one Bryan to another, great discussion! Keep it up! 👍🏻

As a Christian, young earth creationist none the less, I appreciate Michael's demeanor in this video. Great video and thank you.

@kidheyful

11 ай бұрын

Young earth creationist? …wow

@goodshorts

11 ай бұрын

@@kidheyful yes, your point?

@kidheyful

11 ай бұрын

@@goodshorts you’re silly and believe stupid things?

@exiledskunk5046

11 ай бұрын

​@@goodshortsits just unusual to see someone say they are a young earth creationist. Im not but I don't really care enough to argue against it. I'm close to becoming Christian i guess. Grew up in a Christian home, went materialist atheist during my late teens and early twenties and realised it was internally contradictory over the last few years and coming back to Christianity (eastern orthodoxy)

@Spectre-wd9dl

11 ай бұрын

​@@goodshortsI find you people hilarious. Right up there with flat earthers in there wilful ignorance of the world around them.

We are all in this crazy thing together. Good to hear some civil discussion.

I could listen to Meyer and Shermer all day long!

Oh wow. Thanks for having this conversation.

Shermer was completely out of his depth. I don't understand why people bring him. He simply isn't a very deep thinker and pretty much limits himself to throwing out platitudes and worn-out slogans. Also, sniping Rupert Sheldrake was in poor taste.

@jerrylong6238

Күн бұрын

Shermer was the only one in reality though. Myer only had his Santa Clause for adults called God. It's hard to take anyone serious when they are talking about make-believe characters such as gods and demons and all such nonsense. These people should have let that garbage go with Santa years ago.

@j-psavoie8173

Күн бұрын

@@jerrylong6238 Your dismissive and arrogant posturing is pretty pointless. Good Atheist philosophers like Oppy, Nagel, Russell, Sartre, and others have taken Theism seriously and answered in kind. If you don't do the same, then you're just putting forward an opinion without an argument.

I'd love to see Stephen Meyer on Rogan.

@bryantalexander2359

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@AndrewC4

11 ай бұрын

Loved it, indeed. Props to Bryan for probably being the push to get Dr. Meyer on JRE

@franzpaul6244

11 ай бұрын

you are an oracle...

@heidiooohs276

11 ай бұрын

Good news. Latest Rogan podcast is with Meyer

@franzpaul6244

11 ай бұрын

@@heidiooohs276 yup- hopefully he soon follows with James Tour...

Wow, Callen has levels to his game!! This was great and Meyer is solid and interesting. Thanks for sharing!!

Bryan you're dominating this space right now. Epic discussion!

I recently had a really really wild spiritual experience and now I am perplexed as to why God would show some people these things, but not all? Perhaps some people wouldn't talk about their experiences like I am about to? Basically a few months ago I was laying in bed, my back hurt, I was thinking about rolling over to get in a less painful position.. Out of nowhere I felt a hand come over my left shoulder and set down on my chest. (where did it come from? How did I know it was there, when I couldn't see it?? DONT KNOW) When this hand layed down on me it was like my entire body and soul was absolutely loaded with pure joy. It was so unbelievably intense and so completely overwhelming that I almost couldn't handle it and I was beyond intimidated within the 3 seconds that this hand was on me. So after 3 seconds or so, the hand lifted and the moment it lifted, as a knee jerk reaction I just blurted, "thankyou!" like a reversed gasp, mumbling thankyou. Idk how that came out of my mouth when I didn't even have time to put together why this was happening. So, it turns out I'm not the only person that has experienced something like this, I yesterday, met a man from South Africa who is also a Christian and had an experience where he felt that wild/ intense joy.. It is so unearthly, and alien a feeling to have any emotion as strong as this.. and to have it be injected into your being faster than a drug, faster than electricity, it was like light. It was like breathing for the first time ever without ever knowing that you could breathe. I spent decades being a Christian and never experiencing anything to that magnitude and the only reason I think God doesn't do this,, is because it has an effect of depressing you. You want what you cannot have, something that satisfying should be as available to me as the air I breathe. So for me, going from just 3 seconds of whatever that was, being near God? Going from that, back to work/ everyday life is depressing, it is spiritually suffocating, it makes me realize our world is much closer to hell than heaven.

Wow, you got Dr Stephen Meyer! I love his work, and I have 2 of his books. Darwin's Doubt and Signature in the cell. WLC and now Dr. Meyer, Awesome Bryan!

@invaderzim1265

3 ай бұрын

At the 01:18:50 mark, did Dr. Stephen Meyer revealed the name of this mathematician yet? I'm curious.

That was a truly fantastic conversation!! Thank you guys!!

Mind blown starting @ 1:18:30. I can't even articulate why. Thank you for making these types of videos.

Shermer described the atheists' position perfectly around the 37min mark - "I don't want to believe in things that have to be believed in to be true" If he's married I hope his wife doesn't see this interview 😂 otherwise he better have a good answer prepared for the next time she asks him if he loves her

@rcmysm9123

Жыл бұрын

Not only that, but he literally has to believe what he is saying.

@brianmeen2158

Жыл бұрын

@@rcmysm9123I like Schermer but he’s not a strong debater

@cejotajunior3151

11 ай бұрын

I loved it kkkkkkkkkk

@joshmeyers372

11 ай бұрын

He also has to believe in the accuracy of all knowledge taught to him that formed his worldview. Point being / no one escapes belief

@AustinDpOwers89

11 ай бұрын

He has to believe his own senses and mind are accurately perceiving the world at all times.

It is very interesting Dr. Meyer's position that the existence of God is a question of science.

@Spectre-wd9dl

11 ай бұрын

Everything is a question of science. That's just common sense, not very interesting or revolutionary.

@sczoot6285

3 ай бұрын

There's a clear delineation between what people define today as "science" and what actual science is. Knowledge of absolute laws is absolutely a thing despite what is spoken of here and needs to be taken seriously, as the abandonment of such understanding leads to entire fields of "science" for lack of a better term that are predicated on false axioms thereby invalidating the field of study.

Bryan, thank you for providing this content. In a culture that seems to be moving in a more atheistic direction this has introduced both excitement and hope into the conversation. I left this discussion impressed by all three of you. We are now entering an age of technology in which these types of free expressions of thought are less censored. The previous guardians of truth imposing one version of scientific theory on an unsuspecting public may be over. Stephen Meyer deserves a seat at the most prestigious tables of debate and discussion. He has the potential to be highly influential. I eagerly anticipate the day when he will be welcomed.

Shermer didn’t bring anything new to the table, just the typical questions we all have while meyers brought very informative answers that wowed everyone

What a brilliant conversation! Praise the LORD

@lonzo61

3 ай бұрын

Praise Allah. Praise VIshnu, Praise Zeus, Praise Apollo. Praise ______! (Feel free to fill in the blank with any of hundreds of gods and spirits.)

@negativedawahilarious

3 ай бұрын

​@@lonzo61**tips fedora hat**

I find Mike to be a truly intelligent and likable guy and I have a lot of respect for him, but Steve is far more convincing.

@jamespenny9482

9 ай бұрын

My sentiments exactly!

@lovefist86

5 ай бұрын

Gullibility

Bryan, brother, this was an awesome spending of my time! Thank you!

Bryan is the man for finding men like Stephen Myers and Dr Tour!

@kidheyful

11 ай бұрын

De tour is an idiot outside of his specific field

Stephen Meyer’s testimony resonates with me

Let your guest get one in bro 👍🏼🇺🇸

I haven’t seen you for years Brian but you have really come along way and this interview impressed me . Good work !

The fraze I've heard time and time again, since the covid days.... "Trust the science man !"

I wish i could like it twice, i can't... so instead, i'll say this. Bryan, you have all the gifts to stand out in this field. Your whole life has led to this (imo) please keep your ADHD ass with it coz its a real gold mine of influence that will grow with consistency, a change i selfishly want, is to see you take on the best of your "peers" in this genre.. i hope you consider that comments are your community without a forum. Most mean well and want you to succeed. Haters gon hate, but even some of those have to admit, this is great conversation. More please. Great questions, respectful, no interrupting. I just think its too fascinating to exist at all, that its so bizzare, there has to be a reason for it all... A God of some kind, or we are in the "Matrix" that we wake out of when we die, only to discover that, just 5 minutes have passed, in the place where we are ACTUALLY from... In a future world where you can live a whole life while waiting for your spouse to shop, lol.

Love Stephen Meyer!

What a great discussion. Power to you Callen with keep the discussion moving

Dude, this was awesome. Keep doing these bro!

Here we go🎉

As a Christian, I love the grace Meyer continually extends to the grumpy Shermer, who constantly exhibits that he is completely closed minded to theism regardless of how rational it seems. Meyer is constantly exhibiting love and I wish all Christians, especially those on the public stage of ideas, would exhibit. Myself included.

@jamespenny9482

9 ай бұрын

I'm most of the way through the video and I kinda like Shermer, he's polite, patient, and personable, but his arguments are very weak. But yeah, I also see the closed-mindedness, which is so common among atheistic scientists. They seem to assume as a given that God does not exist and therefore any evidence that points to His existence is explained away, but with very poor arguments and speculations.

@jakebaldwin7172

7 ай бұрын

​@@jamespenny9482i think anyone who truly believes, understands someone who is clearly fighting off the belief because it is outside of their ability to grasp. When I finally came to belief, I wasn't relieved or excited, I was terrified. The idea of actually coming before God in judgment is paralyzing. These materialists often cannot unpack the infinite series of implications that would follow them admitting to the existence of an all powerful creator. I have empathy for that, because in my life when I've been the most arrogant and dismissive, it is when I'm burying something that I'm afraid of.

What a beautiful civil discourse. So refreshing without the typical ego that is so pronounced in many other discourses from very different perspectives. One of the best conversations I’ve heard on the subject with humility. Thank you for this wonderful podcast.

Great convo Bryan and kudos in being able to land 2 of the smartest minds out there for a podcast. Next time it may be good to let them talk more so they can finish their thoughts. That said, still a great convo.

Damn this Stephen guy came prepared

Michael is a very likable sceptic, and very respectfull and knowledgeable. Stephen is incredible and knowledgeable beyond comprehension😃 Very intelligent man. Host: "have you heard of it?", talking about one random book he has read from Newton, Stephen: "Yeah, ive studied this stuff."😂🤩 He has read most of the stuff there is on the matters at hands, at least all the big names. Scholar with capital S.

@muneebiqbal5584

Жыл бұрын

Likeable skeptic? There are sincere skeptics and then there are the ones that make a career out of it.

@coolguyhennan

Жыл бұрын

@@muneebiqbal5584 And? What are you trying to express?

@muneebiqbal5584

Жыл бұрын

@@coolguyhennan That the current best explanation science has, gives credence to Abrahamic faiths which is the only reason he is a critic. The big bang has evidence to back it up and these other theory's are just made up in the head with no material evidence yet he would argue for some of them only to try swerve the listner away from understanding what we actually know scientfivally aligns with religion, its the only reason he is doing this. He is not playing devils advocate and he clearly himself does not believe any of the theorys to be more credible then the big bang so it shows he has chosen a side and is arguing for it till the grave instead of having truth or the highest form of truth as his aim/direction.

Man, this was such a good listen. I wish it were longer. I think we are thirsty for not only truth, but also intellectual dialog. Damn our mainstream media.

He's getting great guests. The human experience is by nature limited by our perceptive abilities. The longing for understanding produces all kinds of ideas and human mind observations, which may or may not be true, we will never really "know," since the limits of our perception define our existence ultimately. Great discussion to get one thinking about the universe as we perceive it !

The real question for anyone really searching for the truth is, if the universe is solely the product of a mindless unguided material process, how is it able to produce species with intelligent minds that are able to scientifically and mathematically study and understand this universe that is itself intelligible because it innately contains these laws and properties?

@thomabow8949

Ай бұрын

Why are you under any impression that a mindless, unguided material process could *not* produce such a thing?

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

@CaptainLeroy

Жыл бұрын

I will watch THIS podcast with GREAT interest

Please get Dr. James Tour on. You won’t regret it.

1:27:27 was my main takeaway from this episode. Asking these big questions and debating them is what makes life worth living (at least in the Socratic sense). Skeptics and atheists need guys like Stephen Meyer to pique their brains and help them stay open-minded, while theists and religious folks need guys like Michael Shermer to help them think critically about their beliefs. That's why I'm grateful to both men for agreeing to this talk. This, my friends, is how we get closer to Truth.

Thank you Bryan Callen, im so happy you went back to this more intelletual and funny podcast, up & running better than ever. I was one of the tens, if not hundreds of listeners to the o.g audio podcast haha, and am also a die hard tmp guy. You are killin it!, the numbers are growing with these fantastic guests. Michael Shermer's podcast is the sh*t too.

It's nice to see Bryan making an attempt. And his guests showed good patience.

What a beautiful conversation!

When did Bryan Callen become so awesome? These conversations are incredible