Toyota does have a full EV. It just sucks.

@elsiehupp

2 ай бұрын

What about the weird hydrogen Toyota? Sucks more or sucks less?

@nbarbettini

2 ай бұрын

​@@elsiehuppMore because you can at least charge up their EV at your own house.

@micweis

2 ай бұрын

​@@elsiehupp more, because you can't leave the state of California with it. That's the only place with fuel stations 😂

@bosstowndynamics5488

2 ай бұрын

​@@elsiehuppIn a hypothetical world where hydrogen fuel stations were widely available and hydrogen was produced primarily through renewable energy, it would have a small but significant market where it would be really good. That world does not exist though, and is unlikely to exist in the near future

@The.Talent

2 ай бұрын

What is the Toyota bZ4x? In Australia, they are calling them an "all electric EV"

Is that Rollie Williams from the Times Square billboard? That dude is a legend with a billion KZread subscribers!

@torak456

Ай бұрын

I thought it was 100 billion subscribers.

Rollie: "this feels like greenwashing" Salesman: "we're absolutely bathing in green!"

Rollie is THE MAN! Climate Town is awesome!

ROOOOLLLLLLLIIIEEEE!

@Yelonek1986

2 ай бұрын

OMG IT IS HIM!!!!!!

@robinhall3347

2 ай бұрын

LOLOL! Great stuff!

@cotwold

2 ай бұрын

Roll out Rollllllllliiiieeee

Ok but i feel salesman Rollie, the Prius looks hella sick

Customer: I don't want a gas car Toyota: No worries, try this petrol car instead

@robinhall3347

2 ай бұрын

SNORT!!!! 🤪

@tocreatee5736

2 ай бұрын

my brother got Hyundai HV. one day he scratched bottom of the car, and had to replace the battery. the whole assembly costs $60,000. instead he Junked the car got new one. very environmentally friendly.

@beanapprentice1687

2 ай бұрын

@@tocreatee5736 ah yes, the Hasty Generalization. One of the favourite logical fallacies of EV opponents.

@Neojhun

2 ай бұрын

@@tocreatee5736 "Hyundai HV" No such thing. Your entire story is a fabrication. Just to slander EVs.

@Neojhun

2 ай бұрын

@@beanapprentice1687 It's just a nonsense fabrication, no such vehicle exist.

“We haven’t updated our cars in 10 years” Not true! They made the Sienna a hybrid, and in doing so, permanently bolted the middle seats down, completely destroying their ability to carry 4x8 sheet goods. Oh, and made the center console completely insane and huge and massively in the way. So, you know, they updated stuff!

Poor man’s Pedro Pascal if Pedro Pascal did sidebars from his studio/bedroom

@hudeduge9240

2 ай бұрын

If wish did George Clooney.

@utkua

2 ай бұрын

he is discount store Tom Selleck.

@Whatshisname346

2 ай бұрын

Burt Reynolds stunt double.

It’s like Rollie’s usual shtick but written and performed like Ryan George, it’s beautiful ❤

Came for the Rollie, stayed for the message. Great video guys.

It’s almost like there is a conflict of interest with car manufacturers. Why is it that the things that make money are also what is killing us?

Wrong, beyond zero.does mean something. It means it emits more not less 😜

@Yorick257

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

They do sell an EV, it's just trash. Toyota BZ4X/Subaru Solterra Don't buy them at MSRP...

@_Skion

2 ай бұрын

Don’t buy them at all. Toyota put absolutely no effort into these vehicles or the Lexus equivalent. They’re heaps of garbage and will not have the same reliability as ANY other model of Toyota/Lexus. Source: brother is a Toyota Tech

@cloudyview

2 ай бұрын

@@_Skion I mean, at least toyota is still going to exist, unlike Fisker...

Well, there is that half-hearted BZ4X (busy forks!) which from any objective measure is the worst EV out there. Like they tried to show that EVs won't work because they're Toyota and THEY couldn't do one.

@cloudyview

2 ай бұрын

Uh, I'll see your bz4x and raise you a Fisker Ocean 🃏

@bosstowndynamics5488

2 ай бұрын

The BZ4X is lackluster but hardly the worst EV available

@CampGareth

2 ай бұрын

Interestingly in China where EVs are popular toyota have more electric models, the BZ3C and BZ3X.

@kalebdaark100

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, it's a better EV than my nine year old eNV200 van.

@AbsurdBear

2 ай бұрын

BZ4X, BZ3C and BZ3X?? Hey, Toyota, hire me to come up with some good car names; you'll sell a million more vehicles, or my name isn't Absurd Bear.

Amazing bit!!! Subbed

I personally think PHEVs like the Prius Prime are the immediate future. Alex On Autos made a good video explaining things but the TLDR is that you can make 4-6x the number of PHEVs in a single battery of an EV. And that 80% of all drives or so were all under 50miles (roundtrip). Thus for the average person a PHEV would cut down emissions a ton AND more people could have a battery powered vehicles at the same time.

@bosstowndynamics5488

2 ай бұрын

There's a few issues with this: 1) The ultra high specific power batteries used in PHEVs have lower overall durability, that's fine if you're using them as a hybrid with some supplemental wall charging but if you're driving entirely electric they'll wear out a lot faster. EVs spread battery wear across the whole pack, and many use far longer lived LFP cells now in place of shorter lifespan NMC cells 2) Partly to mitigate point 1, and partly because combustion engines really don't like being left unused for prolonged periods of time, even if driven within the battery only capabilities of the vehicle a PHEV will still turn the engine on and run it for some minimum percentage of the time, so they'll still burn fuel 3) If you're running battery only, that's a lot of resources expended on building a complex and heavy ICE drivetrain that's just increasing the weight of your car, increasing the energy consumption. 4) You don't actually have to make a 300 mile range EV, you could make a decent 100 mile or less range EV with LFP cells that will still last a lot longer than the high current NMC cells in a PHEV driven battery only 5) Upcoming sodium ion batteries will be *way* cheaper, *way* less environmentally intensive to produce, and because of the need for high specific power in PHEVs, they'll only be suitable for use in budget pure EVs, meaning that PHEVs will be *worse* for lithium consumption than budget EV options in the near future.

@Robbedem

2 ай бұрын

@@bosstowndynamics5488 1) ok 2) ok 3) The PHEV allows you to only need one car. If you have an electric car, you will need to rent another car for the holidays, but since the holidays are at the same time for everyone, that means that there needs to be a ton of extra vehicles doing nothing during the year just for those couple of times per year. That's a massive waste. 4) Going back to point 3 5) Sodium ion batteries are a long way of from being usefull for cars (or any other portable use). Because their energy storage capacity per unit weight (and volume) is much lower. They are usefull for home batteries, or balancing electricity grids though.

@PenkoAngelov

2 ай бұрын

Aaaand: - Higher consumption. - Higher cost of ownership. - Higher maintenance. - More problems. - Less cargo space. - Lower life of the vehicle. - Lower battery lifespan. - More components, not less. You have higher manufacturing costs associated with plug-ins. - Driving around with redundant weight. - The engine is still working, even in town. That battery is good for nothing and has to constantly be charged by the engine. - You're still using petrol... And you're paying more out of your pocket to the manufacturer... just for a "transition vehicle" with no future. Do you think you'll be abe to sell it after a few years? Will anyone want it?

@Robbedem

2 ай бұрын

@@PenkoAngelov - higher consumption -> ok - higher cost of ownership -> nope, HEV's are cheaper - higher maintenance -> ok (but still cheaper over lifetime) - more problems -> doubt it - less cargo space -> nope - lower life of the vehicle -> ok, you might need to change the battery once. But can also be true for EV - more components -> ok, but still cheaper and better for environment than two cars - reduntant weight -> full EV is heavier - engine is still working -> possible, but only in rare cases - EV's show terrible resale value now. HEV's fare much better. You don't know for sure if the future will be different.

@PenkoAngelov

2 ай бұрын

@@Robbedem You have some screwed views on hybrids. Based on advertising? Or corrupt automotive journalists? I'm a mechanical engineer and FEA expert and was employed by one of their T1 suppliers and I'm fully aware of the atrocities they committed. Every quarter the requirements for strength and services life of their components were notably lower. They wanted to control exactly when a part will fail... and it became sooner and sooner. How do you think a company that sells vehicles at a loss or 1.6% margin... is bringing in billions in profits? It's not sales... - The smaller the battery, the faster its life cycles get depleated. It also gets stressed much worse. NiMH used in hybrids have high initial power but much less density and cycle life. - We owned a couple of company vehicles... hybrids. Their service and repair costs were exorbitant! You have two systems that are not compatible with each other. More components, more connections, more modules to control everything (separately) and the result is more failures and costs. - You have higher real world consumption because that energy does not come from outer space... You can't brake physics. - And yes, you have notably less cargo and interior space compared to a conventional vehicle or EV. Hybrids are a transitional scam designed to extort as much money as possible out of the customers. While the manufacturer does nothing to actually transition. And still partnering with petrol producers to increase their oil demand.

Man, I used to love Toyota and their Priuses. How far they have fallen for their propaganda against electric cars.

It’s easy to forget the bZ4X. Really rolls off the tongue.

@ramadjones

2 ай бұрын

busy forks!

Fun fact: Toyota partnered with Tesla in 2011, to produce a compliant vehicle for CA. 2600 RAV4 EVs were given Tesla Model S drivetrains, and batteries, though somewhat dumbed down, as the range was about 100 miles, and did not have the same 0-60 times as the Model S. I actually have one of these vehicles. It’s a 2014, which is lots of fun, because they changed the body style for 2013 vehicles, but all the EVs sold between 2022 through 2014 were the older body style. But pretty much, it was the first mass produced electric SUV, beating out Tesla, even if Tesla was the one who supplied Toyota the parts.

Best channel on KZread!

Another great performance from Rollie!!

This has been true of Toy for the 40+ years I had been buying them. Facts you can bank on: 1) the salesperson never knows the vehicle...I got so tired of training them. 2) the shop is little better, they have a manual(s) that tells them what the problem (possibly) is, and how many hours to charge. 3) Toy themselves has an MO of "never admit a mistake" and they fall back on 3 years / 36 months (and it's on you). This time, instead of getting the (supposedly great) new Prius I got a Chevy Bolt. Happiness truly is seeing the TOYOTA Stealership Sign in your rear view mirror!

Love this. Rollie is the best.

Yeah, so shady

Solterra & bZ4x: “Am I A Joke To You???”

Bake 'em away toys!

@LaGuerre19

2 ай бұрын

What'd you say, chief?

@Lifeskillsish

2 ай бұрын

Just do what the kid says

And the Oscar goes too……

@LogRobin

2 ай бұрын

… not Toyota!!!🎉

Love it !

New format!!! Wow I'm sure the algorithm loves that❤❤❤

Isn't the new Prius setup like the Chevrolet volt? Ie it uses electricity until the battery runs out then starts the engine? Ive had a volt for years and I only use the engine for going out of town. They rule.

@nesseb1

2 ай бұрын

The Prius Prime. They make them in too low quantities.

@rylans.5365

2 ай бұрын

Plug-in hybrids have been around for a while. A Chevrolet Volt is different than cars like the Prius Prime, because the Volt does not operate as a hybrid once the battery is depleted. Instead, the engine is used as a generator to assist and charge the battery as needed. The engine will also assist the Volt when going at speeds 70+ mph. The two systems are a bit different

@beanapprentice1687

2 ай бұрын

There’s two Priuses, the regular one and the Prius prime. The prime has a plug and can be driven for around 60km in electricity before it switches to hybrid mode. The regular one doesn’t have a plug, so it can only be fueled with gas.

In a photograph in the hotel hallway, Jack is pictured standing amidst a crowd of party revelers from July 4, 1921. It is from The Shining, a 1980 psychological horror film

Love this. 😂 Hell yeah

Nice skit Rollie 😆

Give it a few years, they just replaced their anti BEV CEO with a pro one.

Toyota: ok _Proceed to release more GR line up_

The thing is, Toyota has little incentive to roll out EVs, because the market is buying what they are already selling. I say that as someone who wishes they would commit to more EVs and PHEVs.

@overcaffeinatedengineering

2 ай бұрын

Sure. And also, Toyota actively lobbies against emissions standards and EV incentives. But yeah, they're just selling what the "market" wants.

@rejectthetyrannyofprecedent

2 ай бұрын

@@overcaffeinatedengineering I understand that, too. If people keep buying Toyotas, the company has more incentive to lobby against emissions standards and EV subsidies. I personally will not buy a Toyota because of the actions you've described.

@adrianthoroughgood1191

2 ай бұрын

The government should press ahead with the incentives despite lobying. The UK government has a pretty good system in place. They've come up with a way to do it without spending taxpayer money on it. They passed a law that all car manufactures must sell a certain percentage of EVs each year. If they don't they get hit with large fines. So they have to do whatever it takes to make their EVs more attractive to buyers, eg improving products, advertising EVs more, making smaller profit margins on them than their ICE cars. Each year the required percentage goes up, until in 2035 it hits 100%. Hybrid doesn't count for this rule, it has to be pure EV. In the UK hybrids make up only a small % of sales, BEV is much more popular.

@davidmenasco5743

2 ай бұрын

The thing is, China is now the world's largest auto market. And Chinese automakers are transitioning to EVs rapidly, with very competitive models. This is forcing all major automakers to bring out competitive EVs or lose the Chinese market, and then the European market. So Toyota has a huge incentive to bring out EVs. But they've dragged their feet. Now, they're about to start massive spending to get caught up. My guess is that there's a 50/50 chance that what's left of Toyota in 2040 will be owned by BYD.

@cloudyview

2 ай бұрын

​@@davidmenasco5743nah, China will hit the same disillusioned state that the US has with full ev integration - infrastructure takes time, and if the infrastructure doesn't exist, the buyers won't jump. We're still trying to run with ev tech that needs 2 - 3 generations of refinement before it's worthwhile. We're creating millions of units of e-waste with every trash appliance that gets released. 15+ year old EV's are useless trash that aren't worth the cost of maintenance. A 15 year old Toyota ICE is barely broken in. That's the future we're ushering in, unfortunately.

Reminds me of a commercial from a competing car company from about 10-15 years ago where someone drives a brand new Toyota onto the lot of the advertised brand, and the Toyota looks about a decade older because they never update their vehicles. Sales guy starts rummaging through the Toyota looking for the cassette deck because he's convinced it's not a new car.

I want your take on Edison trucks. They look like great hybrid diesel electrics. Not for everyone, but they could get a lot of HEV trucks going soon. Not better than trains but, essentially just mini dirsel locomotives.

@brushlessmotoring

2 ай бұрын

Edison has a plug (albeit slower AC) - the Edison truck is a range extended electric vehicle, and a fascinating bunch of folks because they start with the needs of the customer.

Rolling with Rollie on this one

And the numbers prove that Toyota is right. Once more...

How sad and true..

I just rented a Toyota EV (SUV) a few days ago in Sweden. Aren't these ones sold in North America?

Bang on Rollie. Chapeau.

I don't hate that Toyota is all in on hybrids. They're not as good as EVs but they're a lot better than gas vehicles and if that's what it takes to get people to stop driving gas vehicles then so be it

@BattNW

2 ай бұрын

Except they've been actively lobbying against EVs while they pretend they're a leader in electric, sorry Rollie... electrified vehicles. They actually COULD make the best EVs if they tried.

All fossil fuel and no evs makes rollie a dull boy 😆

This was my exact interaction with my local Toyota dealership a few months back. Sadly, I really needed a car - pretty much immediately, and I wasn't going to buy something from the Ford dealership across the road, whose motto seems to be, "it's not a vehicle unless it's as big as a house". Maybe next decade, when this car eventually dies. By then, Tesla will be out of business.

Right so, in my particular use case, a plug in hybrid is pretty much the most ideal "electric" option. What toyota really needs to do is not produce more junk phase 1 EVs like everyone else, but actually produce more of the plug in hybrid vehicles that they already have. they are impossible to find currently and end up with stupid dealer markups.

Hey! The BZ4X isn’t just ugly, it is also a full ZEV from Toyota that starts at a respectable $43,000 dollars! Which makes you ask, “how much for a kidney?” Then you realize you have to sell 4 kidneys to afford it.

Where I am, I would probably never buy a fully electric vehicle. I would love a plug in hybrid though!

My last car was a Toyota Yaris. I was looking into buying a plug-in Prius, but they weren’t available yet, so I ended up getting a Tesla Model 3. That was over six years ago. So, yes, this video is entirely accurate.

Not the point what so ever, but you're a great actor and comedian! With a purpose even?! When Do you ever find that..

Rollie is great here, but the EV issue is complicated. It's not like if they start making EVs more people will buy them. In many places the number of EVs sold is temporarily inflated because of government subsidies. Also, there aren't enough African nations to exploit to get all the battery materials if Toyota suddenly changed all their cars to EVs. Ideally, they should make trains and buses, but again, they will only make those if there is a big enough market, and that's up to governments.

Honestly Toyota’s focus on Hybrids has paid off at least for the American market with the state charging infrastructure is at. They should roll out more PHEVs.

@FuncleChuck

2 ай бұрын

It’d be great if they actually made some PHEVs. Sure they “DOUBLED THEIR PHEV SALES” but it’s still only 3% of their cars sold. Q1 565,098 cars sold of which 206,850 “electrified” but only 17,832 PHEV and 3500 full BEV.

Needed to be said.

I love my Prius C, my ideal upgrade would be that same form factor but electric. Closest thing on the market is the Chevy bolt, but even that is larger than my current

@Thatguy-cb4qs

2 ай бұрын

I’d buy it as a plug in hybrid.

@nesseb1

2 ай бұрын

The Bolt is roughly the same size as the Prius C. Only 3 inches longer and 2 inches wider which is a negligible difference. It just rides higher.

@code96roblox

2 ай бұрын

It’s also nearly a foot longer, not to mention the main reason I’d never recommend it is, it’s made by an American Company.

I see what's being said here and I get that we need EVs, but chemical fuels can't be beat in energy density. We're better off focusing on a circular carbon economy while switching to bikes and public transport as much as possible. Trains also work better for long distances. There will still be cases where an ICE is best, like for long distance transport where there are no trains, moving people who can't use bikes, and moving around heavy or large loads. I'd rather have my own vehicle than rent one myself too, so I've thought about what I could realistically do for a while. The best I can figure for a system replacing gas cars in reliability, serviceability, is a small 3 cylinder engine, or three to four small "Liquid Piston" rotary engines, and a sterling engine using the waste heat to power an electric drivetrain with a much smaller battery than EVs. Liquid Piston rotary engines are simple, easy to work on, and more efficient than other ICEs, but a good 3 cylinder engine should be good enough and easily available. With electric motors or generation being near 90% efficient, a sterling engine would nearly double what can make it to the wheels by just using the nearly 60% of the starting energy that ICEs waste as heat. A smaller battery is easier to replace, takes fewer resorces to make, and it only needs enough capacity to accelerate the vehicle to max speed a few times since the real battery is the gas tank. You could maybe use some kind of capacitor for better efficiency though. It'd be easier to service with one person and limited tools than modern vehicles assuming you had spare parts and didn't make it rely on software or complex computers (pretty easy if the engineers are good with math, we used to do this until the 2000s when planned obsolescence became a thing with electronics). Something like this could produce fewer emissions per distance than any other vehicle (compared with fossil fuel powered EVs) since it can be lighter and more efficient than EVs, and it would have about the longest range possible out of any vehicle today if you can get just half of the waste heat back usin the sterling engine. Another option is compressed air regenerative breaking with waste heat utilization, it's efficiency is easily near 95%, but adds weight and complexity. It's better than electric regen ever could be since batteries waste a lot of the power you put in them. Compressed air batteries and hydraulics can replace electic drivetrains and are theoretically the most sturdy and efficient, I'm unsure if it could weigh less though, it's more of a heavy vehicle kind of thing, and it seems to me like it'd be harder or more expensive to service than normal gas engines. We're going to be using fossil fuels until we can make alternatives as part of a circular carbin economy, and that's going to take from food and land unless we start farming tons of kelp in the ocean and that seems like the least bad way to get tons of food and bioplastics too, it frees up lots of land for rewilding, you can use tech from oil rigs, and you displace much less biomass compared to land, while making use if the insane efficiency of ships.

there's enough evs to choose from. Question is which one makes the most sense vs price?

Haha this is great

I understand the need for hybrid vehicles but if I still have to deal with ICE maintenance, gas, and oil I might as well just stick with an all ICE vehicle.

@iComeInPeace8

2 ай бұрын

That logic doesn't really check out tbh

Prime models have 38-40 mile all electric range.

@theairstig9164

2 ай бұрын

And a petrol engine that must occasionally run to keep the oil where it seals the engine … like around the piston rings and in the cylinder head. Thanks I’ll have one electric car for 95% of my driving and an old wagon that I can fix myself for everything else

@kain0m

2 ай бұрын

Yeah but you'll need to run your EV several laps around the globe before you've offset the carbon expelled during the making of the battery...

Rollie!!!!

bZ4X They have an electric car called the bZ4X but no one is buying them. The dealerships have plenty you can find one easily.

Climate Town guy, why am I learning about this now? Plus, I always thought Toyota SUCKED regards to EVs. Hybrids could have been plugins 20 years ago now. But the Coylbysys NiMH bateery payent embargo trials threw an oily wrench into things.

I mean they have a new CEO for that reason no?

I'm confused, don't they make a BEV? And a Hydrogen Electric car?

I wish there was full electric Prius. Their bZ4x doesn't even have one pedal driving.

Ha maybe Toyota know something about EVs that the rest of the world is slowly learning - they suck! They are expensive have terrible range they still take too long to charge there will never be enough chargers. They don’t hold there value. They are effectively un repairable. They don’t replace gas cars they only replace public transport. In that they only work for short known trips.

is that the pool trick shots guy? or is it al gore?? I'm confused.

To be fair the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime are great cars.

I can't read dark red on a black background. I'll just assume it was a really clever thing.

Ya got me again but next time next time next time next time......

That was fun

This man has a degree

What’s wrong with a hybrid electrified powertrain?

Toyota doesnt believe in EVs being the future.. And i honestly think the same.. They are not eco friendly in any way.. Walkable cities and better public transit is the future. Cars will never be sustainable.

Toyota should be leading.

I work in the field and I am a car guy, Toyota is smart and it paid. Doing EVs for the sake of it isn't economical and certainly not ecological.

I dig it, boo 🩵✌️

So.. does HEV mean Hybrid Electric? Or something else? And is that different from Plug-in Hybrid?

@xavicht

2 ай бұрын

Yes. HEV can't plug in. You have marginal range in electric. The P in PHEV is because PHEV have little batteries and you have to carry an engine, gears, oil, ans so on, but at least you can charge them to be able to do some miles in electric mode

“Cars with a plug” are still only 2.5% of their sales in 2023 - growing rapidly sure - but less than 1% of their cars are actually electric.

@michaelrch

2 ай бұрын

In America.... In Norway, they are 85% of new sales.

odd calling out toyota when theyve done more to reduce emissions that just about anyone else, take a look at hondas crappy lineup with just 2 hybrids and no more Fit in the US

But... But hybrids are more logical than evs....

@Simon-dm8zv

2 ай бұрын

Nope

I want the world to transition to EVs as much as anyone, but toyota seems to have predicted the market realities given the rise in hybrid sales and the fall of ev sales. Their plugin hybrids seem like a at least offer some hope in the right direction. People can go months and months on a tank of gas if their trips are short and they plug in at home.

Toyota made the right decision on waiting out the ev hype. Other manufacturers have a ton of unsold cars any money spent on r&d

Mirai Cope Moment

Don't they sell the BZ4X in US

I'm confused, Does America not have the Toyota bZ4X?

@youtewbJC

2 ай бұрын

They do! As well as the hydrogen Mirai... also the PHEVs have great range for local driving.

As a Toyota driver am I disappointed they aren't all in on actual hybrids with actual EV range (let's say 50-60km)? Yes. Absolutely. But at the same time: their HEV line up is a lot better than what a lot of traditional brands do. And I can't afford a Plugin or EV anyways. But I'd love to see the option.

Corporations will do whatever they can get away with. People like Toyotas for reasons beyond the powertrain, and they made a choice to not pursue EVs because again, they had the choice legally

But but but... It has a solar panel!

Big missed opportunity to sample Naughty by Nature's "O.P.P.": Ya down with HEV? I'm not saying it would've been GOOD, per se, just that it was a missed opportunity. EV... then HEV.... now, in the comments I'm seeing PHEV!? I guess things are generally exponentially improved when you just slap a big ole "P" on it: a parable.

They must not have heard of the the bZ4X, which is all electric, and also the worst EV on the entire market today by far

Funny, Toyota makes a battery EV and nobody I mean nobody is buying that car. The dealers are giving them away.

What about the BZ4X? Isn't Toyota focused on Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles?

@theairstig9164

2 ай бұрын

Toyota might be but the hydrogen value chain cares not for retail sales. Just the cost of the pumps is insane

😂

Yup, Dealers are terrible and do not care what you want, if only someone sold EVs without dealers... oh yeah! Tesla!

Nobody: absolutely nobody: Toyota: hydrogen car?

@UmmYeahOk

2 ай бұрын

“It runs on water man!!”

Pros: Has Climate Town Cons: Literally no one is buying the bZ4X EV even at $197/mo AND Toyota was right in that Hybrids are a better use of rare earth materials compared to making a full EV. Battery tech isn't good enough, recycling isn't setup, and EV sales are slumping. Not to mention nobody wants to keep them past warranty. Compounding the "cars as appliances" problem. Everything right now is cart before the horse and confidently wrong. Meanwhile Toyota research has been dead on and there's an internal struggle to hold back shareholders whining about EVs because it's trendy. Wanting walkable cities, less car dependency, cleaner air, and being a car enthusiast means I'm everyone's enemy. Meanwhile a majority of our charging network was a Dieselgate punishment that VW/EA basically half assed. We need policies/initiatives to fix that. We also need to teach automotive science at a high school level.

@iComeInPeace8

2 ай бұрын

Agreed. Building non-car centric infrastructure is both way more effective environmentally and way more beneficial to the average person than forcing EV's down people's throats.

The more you know: Toyota is betting Japan's grid can't handle electrification right now, and wants to focus on alternative fuels such as hydrogen. You can bring up lots of angles like Toyota being invested in hydrogen or late to the electric game, but that's a bit of a chicken and egg.

@noseboop4354

2 ай бұрын

It's not just Japan, America and Germany can't handle it either (and have you looked at electricity prices in the UK? It's nearly triple from a few years ago!).